Here are just some of the movies Disney has released this year. I think Guardians 3 might've been the only blockbuster financial hit. Everything else either broke even or lost money.
Do you think Disney is about to head into a Zaslav-tier dark age? Are they going to sell off major assets and write off completed films for tax purposes, or will it not get THAT bad?
Anon you monkey, Gisney is a money laundering scheme right now, they release shit all the time just to see what sticks and whatever does pays for the rest of the crap that fails and gets swept under the rug
How have you people not figured this out yet?
Money laundering is when you disguise your finances so you can fund your illegal deeds. If they were money laundering, they would lie and say all their films have been making $800mil so they can tunnel their money into their meth empire. Burning money isn't the same as money laundering.
unless you are friends with the bank or government.
then that whole explanation falls apart.
EVERY company has their hand in with banks or governments. Do you think they fund things entirely with their own money?
I'm so sick of you moronic conspiracy theorists shitting up this board.
yeah c**t there's a conspiracy and i'm theorizing about it learn to live with it
You people can't scapegoat israelites for everything
wait what?
nobody brought up israelites
Or blackrock or whatever the frick
anon you keep throwing out words i never said and it's a really bad look, you're fessing before anyone even asked
Your kind never wants to take responsibility for anything, right?
>your kind
who?
Black folk
Shiiiiii mang you be rite
please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
IDK. I don't really care. Disney's not really at a crisis point yet. Not quite yet. Though with another shit year they might be.
>Do you think Disney is about to head into a Zaslav-tier dark age?
No, Disney stock is recovering to pre-pandemic levels, because movies are their side-hustle.
WBD's stock is about to fall to single-digit valuations, and Zaslav is paid based on his cost-cutting rather than profit-making.
If Disney was in even half as bad a shape as WBD Amazon/Apple/Microsoft would be fighting to buy it.
>No, Disney stock is recovering to pre-pandemic levels, because movies are their side-hustle.
Pandemic is when it hit an all time high. March 2021. almost $200. 2019 was $140, about, but ti's under $100 right now.
>because movies are their side-hustle
The theme parks, merchandise and streaming are also failing
Streaming IS the movie business for them, and it's failing everyone. The parks will upswing with Iger managing them, and they can sell nostalgia merch til doomsday.
You WANT Disney to fail too much; it's not on the menu.
>and it's failing everyone.
Everyone losing money on streaming means that Disney is okay?
>The parks will upswing with Iger managing them
How? He has been working on them for years
>and they can sell nostalgia merch til doomsday.
All the flops cheapen the brand even for the products people actually like, and they still waste money producing merchandise of flops
>How? He has been working on them for years
His protoge was the parks manager before taking over the whole studio, and he started SQUEEZING visitors like the Beast Rabban.
Iger is walking back the egregious money-grubbing, (and I am not suggesting it's a cheap trip now).
>All the flops cheapen the brand even for the products people actually like
Now see this is 100% wishful thinking nonsense.
So my assessment of things that are happening right now are "wishful thinking" but your prediction on someone that has been failing on the job since 2022 (2012) is surely accurate
>>All the flops cheapen the brand even for the products people actually like
>Now see this is 100% wishful thinking nonsense.
Isn't this the reason why theme park attendance is lowering? All the new Disney movies are failures so people don't go see the attractions based on the old movies
>If Disney was in even half as bad a shape as WBD Amazon/Apple/Microsoft would be fighting to buy it.
No one is buying Disney. Much as there's fantasy for Apple to buy them, there's no synergy there with the Theme Parks. Sure Apple might want their movies, but the theme parks is ehh, even if they're profitable.
It's like people haven't learned that these massive acquisitions are part of the reason these companies are struggling to begin with. Hell, part of the reason WB is in such dire straights to begin with is because at&t realized their own mistake and passed their curse on to Discovery.
Disney would be a monetary black hole that would cripple, if not downright kill, anything that could theoretically buy them out.
>If Disney was in even half as bad a shape as WBD Amazon/Apple/Microsoft would be fighting to buy it.
Corporations buy corporations that are on the rise. Why would someone want to buy Marvel after Disney saturated the market and destroyed the story and characters?
>Corporations buy corporations that are on the rise.
Corporations buy corporations they think they can improve and make money on. The only "on the rise" companies that get bought are the small fry who have a "hot thing" Big Corp thinks they can fold into their business.
>Corporations buy corporations that are on the rise.
This is very incorrect
>Why would someone want to buy Marvel after Disney saturated the market and destroyed the story and characters?
because another company could buy them out and make them cool again?
Even if you don't have a shared universe, you'll have access to solid action characters with cool settings?
Imagine a different take on Iron Man or Doctor Strange or whatever, done with different directors
Streaming is basically an exercise in paying huge sums to produced movies that will never return a profit, while also sabotaging your expected theater attendance.
It only worked for Netflix because they were alone and the hot alternative to rental.
It's not a business model that will work for the major studios, and they are beginning to realize it.
And of course during Netflix's brief profitability, they weren't producing much, they were just the eventual dumping ground for everyone else's films.
Netflix stock is through the roof though. Doing better than Disney. $200 billion is Netflix Market Cap and $175 billion is Disney's.
Netflix achieved both scale and meme-tech stock status years before covid, then peaked at almost $700 a share. Its valuation makes no more sense than Tesla's. It's currently hot-rising because you can't share passwords anymore, and half their customer base was doing that.
Eh IDK it's not as bad as Tesla. Netflix is trading at 6.6 times revenue and the P/E is lower than Tesla. Tesla trades at 9x revenue.
>Do you think Disney is about to head into a Zaslav-tier dark age? Are they going to sell off major assets and write off completed films for tax purposes, or will it not get THAT bad?
It depends on who controls the company at the hulu deal transition later this year. There's some activists, but none of them want a chainsaw artist like zaslav. They have enough income and assets from the non movie parts. Leadership has said they have complete faith in the current movie team, which in Hollywood means about 1 year to stop fricking up.
More likely scenario: Complete bloodbath on the movie side.
Pixar will be fine. Inside Out 2 will be a hit. And WDAS might be fine if their next movie is Zootopia 2.
Maybe they promote the pixar people to be in charge and boot out some of the WDAS people in this case.
They're not going to relocate Pixar people to WDAS.
They did with John Lasseter
Lasseter was in charge of both Pixar and WDAS but they didn't like get storyboard artists from Pixar over to WDAS. They said they specifically didn't bail each other out creatively.
Anyone betting against Wolverine/Deadpool, I'd be glad to take the other side of that bet.
>I think Guardians 3 might've been the only blockbuster financial hit.
Uh? did you miss that Elemental turned out to be a success? It was a slow burn (eh), but it got there eventually.
I assume OP counts that as a movie that just broke even, which is probably correct.
In the eyes of a megacorp, $50mil profit for a movie is the same as breaking even.
A movie is considered to break even when it does the double of the production cost. It's the case here.
Anon, $50mil isn't even enough to pay for Iger's yearly bonuses. A giant corporation like Disney wants all their movies to perform like the graph at the top, not like the graph at the bottom.
Disney put out a press release all about how Elemental became a sleeper hit... I guess they were happy for that after Lightyear and Strange World.
They were trying to save face because their failure lower their stocks
>They were trying to save face
There is no face to save, Elemental was a success.
>We have the numbers right there.
Yeah, double the production cost. Success.
We have the numbers right there. It was not a "hit" by any means. It made its money back, but its profit wasn't even enough to fund the marketing for a future Pixar movie. It is way closer to a break even status than a financial hit status. Of course Disney is going to say their film is doing great.
>Anon, $50mil isn't even
Double of profit meant breaking even. It has always been like, but sure pretend the rules have changed to move the goal post.
>Exactly one minute apart
We get it, you think Pixar is happy with Elemental's performance. Try to samegay a little less obviously.
200 million dollar animations, holy frick, no wonder Disney has cash flow issues. What where the animation studios doing? Burning all the money on frivoulous stuff while they made cheap foreign labour do all the animations?
>breaking even after a year is a success
Lol, lmao even
Hmm I wonder what Pixar's schedule will be like. We know June 2024 will be Inside Out 2 and June 2025 will be Elio. I assume June 2026 will be Toy Story 5. I wonder what will happen in March 2026. I personally hope it's Domee Shi's next movie, unlikely as that is.
Thank Korea for helping make Elemental profitable lol