you know the shitty horror movie where he is a serial killer that gets made when he goes public domain is not going to break any new ground with how many evil supermen there are these days
An insider can claim everything they want. If the movie is successful or not, it all depends on the box office by the time it releases.
Still think this movie can make a billion, but we'll see.
I don't think ANY Superhero comic will make a billion and the days of 4-5 movies making a billion are going to be exceedingly rare. 1-2 will be the max. For example, I don't personally think anything will come close next year BUT I'll also be honest and say that if you told me Openheimer would make more than $600-700M, it would take extreme luck, so I could certainly be wrong. But the indications from the past two years is that the post pandemic audience is not back and is NOT likely coming back with a few rare exceptions.
The fact that the Chinese are refusing to show or refusing to PAY (versus pirate) western film, whether we're talking Disney, Pixar, Marvel, DC, Universal, yadda yadda is anywhere from $100M to $300M from many popcorn movies.
Anon, part of why Oppenheimer and Barbie made so much was because people were sick of superhero films and they brought something different to the table for blockbusters
It's because they were easy to meme on social media and normies just mindlessly do whatever algos tell them to do anyway. Why do you think there are so many blatant grifters are recycling shit from Cinemaphile?
It gets a reaction from the tards who have been b***hing about it on Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile for the last decade can be wound up like the mewling pugs in search of validation that they are and be milked.
Same reason why you saw the fake harry potter drama go viral and bg3 do well. Humans are just worthless.
>people were sick of superhero films and they brought something different to the table
Oppenheimer was excessively long, even for Nolan, and even the "shot in IMAX" was really only helped by the fact that other typical IMAX films crashed and burned like Indy and MI - and it was merely slightly more linear for Nolan, but not more so than say Dunkirk so no, it didn't bring anything 'different'
Barbie succeeded for the same reason Super Mario succeeded - which is same as the reason why something like that stupid Stanley cup is popular - internet meme and hype. The fact that it was, for the people who saw it, fun and a good group activity, also helped get more such people to go. It's why it did globally.
Capeshit isn't what people are sick off, or Indiana Jone and Mission Impossible and others wouldn't have been such big bombs otherwise.
I think Marvel could've pulled another billion dollar movie if they did West Coast Avengers after Thanos. Lower the stakes and only keep Hawkeye, Wanda, and Vision then toss in Tigra and Wonder Man as the new members (vigilante who stumbled her way into actual superpowers and a celebrity with a heart of gold) then have Mockingbird join up as a spy involved with the plot and intro Kate Bishop near the end to set up Young Avengers. Use big names for the three new members and run it more like the pre-whedon films where quips weren't wall to wall.
If they couldn't do it with Antman off a popular Loki run or with Thor, they weren't going to do it with Renner, Wanda and Vision; I'm also not saying we're not getting any billion dollar movies, I am just saying we're not getting 3-5 of them in one year like we were, much less two 2B+ movies back to back.
Even that last Avatar sequel took 57 weeks (or more than a year) to make it's $2B.
People just don't want to go to theaters POST lock down is and remains my point.
>Capeshit isn't what people are sick off,
People who keep saying this shit always try to disassociate the genre from its defining elements: quips, dark humor, special effects, and action.
I think Marvel could've pulled another billion dollar movie if they did West Coast Avengers after Thanos. Lower the stakes and only keep Hawkeye, Wanda, and Vision then toss in Tigra and Wonder Man as the new members (vigilante who stumbled her way into actual superpowers and a celebrity with a heart of gold) then have Mockingbird join up as a spy involved with the plot and intro Kate Bishop near the end to set up Young Avengers. Use big names for the three new members and run it more like the pre-whedon films where quips weren't wall to wall.
>The info comes from Jeff Sneider via The Hot Mic who says that DC is kind of a mess while discussing that both Marvel and Star Wars are a big mess.
>“I’ll tell you that’s something that hasn’t really been reported yet and I just heard vague whispers, but like, okay, your DC’s kind of a mess, too,” Sneider told John Rocha.
>Rocha questioned, ” The James Gunn DC Verse? You’re saying you’re already hearing is a bit of a mess?”
>“Yeah, I am,” laughed Sneider. “A little bit. A little bit.”
>Sneider continued, “There’s a billion projects to do up there and it’s like seemingly one guy with his hand in all of them. I mean he’s got two hands. I mean this is like beyond Feige.”
>Rocha says Feige didn’t start out right away with so many projects and that Gunn has like five or ten projects and questions if that what Sneider is sensing.
>“Yeah, a little bit,” responded Sneider. “I just don’t know how you run a studio and direct a movie at the same time. You don’t see Donna Langley [Chairman of Universal Pictures] directing movies, and I get that DC is not Universal Pictures but like… it’s him and Peter up there and they have a lot. They have their work cut out for them.”
TBF film production is by nature a messy process. It's like spinning a bunch of plates while juggling cats, with the end result being an at least acceptable product often feeling like a borderline miracle (hence why a big studio releasing a true turd is a big deal, because the people who work there are usually competent enough to regularly pull mediocre adequacy out of their asses).
these guys want to copy the MCUs success but they dont want to do the work, get straight to the exciting crossovers instead of slowly building up to that
DC is a cursed brand. I can't imagine Marvel releasing a videogame where they brutally murder all their heroes.
Marvel believes in hope (unironically filled with Supergays) on the other hand, DC is addicted to death and destruction.
Don't they have other execs to delegate work to? Chantal Nong, Galen Vaisman, etc? It's not like it's just Gunn and Safran working at the studio by themselves
Supposedly, they're getting ready for Superman going public domain. Associating him with more modern, copyrighted characters in the eyes of the audience so the eventual public domain versions are viewed as cheap knock-offs that can't use the modern imagery, stories, and characters.
The fall of DC was a psyop.
Order out of what? Chaos.
Snyder was the chaos. His "mess" led to the order that is Gunn's new DCU.
James Gunn and Snyder knew each other before Zack directed Man of Steel. Everyone in the industry is connected.
Keeping Gal but getting rid of Cavill would not have gone well.
I would have preferred ripping the bandaid off and recasting everybody, including the Gunnverse folks, but of course he didn't have the balls to do what needed to be done.
Because it was obvious to with common sense. Feige is a studio head first and creative second. He doesn’t write scripts or direct shit. Gunn is a studio head managing all these projects including now video games while also writing/directing Superman and writing peacemaker S2
WB handled DC like my ADD cousin plays RPGs >spends 4 hours in the character creator >plays for 15 minutes then realized he doesn't like something and restarts immediately >another 2 hours in the character creator >makes it to an hour before restarting from scratch again >etc >never actually beats the game
Didn't Gunn admit that WB just handled out DC to just anyone and there was no direction? Add onto DC comics themselves not caring anymore. That explains alot.
>with Gunn overseeing everything.
How do you think that would go? Will there finally be mandates on these characters. I just want consistency and characters with defined roles and purpose for fricks sake.
Ideally. But apparently one guy overseeing ten projects isn't a good idea.
And I still think WB will start micromanaging and "fixing" everything the minute one of the movies underperforms, just like they did before. They can't help themselves.
Tom King has absolutely no experience running a movie studio or producing a movie and is a terrible choice to oversee anything. He'll need to stop constantly to have the realities of production and budgets explained to him.
For all the guy's a fricking idiot, Geoff Johns has at least been working on major motion pictures longer than he's been working in comic books.
>with Gunn overseeing everything.
How do you think that would go? Will there finally be mandates on these characters. I just want consistency and characters with defined roles and purpose for fricks sake.
It's doomed. Even Gunn/Snyder/Feigewhoever doesn't actually run a shared universe. There are again financial and physical realities that need to be addressed. You can lose a whole day just trying to reconcile the schedules of everyone you need to work on two projects. Ten is insane. Even to start with two in active production and then have eight on the stack waiting to go and needing at least some movement so they'll be ready to go when you're done with the first two is a ridiculous amount of work for one person to take on.
You have to delegate. You have to just let other people do their thing and sign off on it and you have to accept the blame if they got it wrong because you signed off on it.
I'm sure he knows all this and I'm sure he's very capable as a director but the step up, not in the way the MCU did it with early projects then taking a hiatus to get right because nobody had high expectations outside the production company, but in going from running a 200 million budget movie to a billion+ budget shared universe with deadlines that he'll already have been given for 2, 4, 6 etc movies produced and released - it's as big as the step up from small budget to tentpole. I just don't think anybody can do it. When he quits there won't even be gloating, it's just too hard a task for anyone to perform.
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Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
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>Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
Tom King literally just reads fan wikis for character research. You don't need even need him and can just go straight to the source if that's what you want.
Tom King has absolutely no experience running a movie studio or producing a movie and is a terrible choice to oversee anything. He'll need to stop constantly to have the realities of production and budgets explained to him.
For all the guy's a fricking idiot, Geoff Johns has at least been working on major motion pictures longer than he's been working in comic books.
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It's doomed. Even Gunn/Snyder/Feigewhoever doesn't actually run a shared universe. There are again financial and physical realities that need to be addressed. You can lose a whole day just trying to reconcile the schedules of everyone you need to work on two projects. Ten is insane. Even to start with two in active production and then have eight on the stack waiting to go and needing at least some movement so they'll be ready to go when you're done with the first two is a ridiculous amount of work for one person to take on.
You have to delegate. You have to just let other people do their thing and sign off on it and you have to accept the blame if they got it wrong because you signed off on it.
I'm sure he knows all this and I'm sure he's very capable as a director but the step up, not in the way the MCU did it with early projects then taking a hiatus to get right because nobody had high expectations outside the production company, but in going from running a 200 million budget movie to a billion+ budget shared universe with deadlines that he'll already have been given for 2, 4, 6 etc movies produced and released - it's as big as the step up from small budget to tentpole. I just don't think anybody can do it. When he quits there won't even be gloating, it's just too hard a task for anyone to perform.
Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
>Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
Tom King literally just reads fan wikis for character research. You don't need even need him and can just go straight to the source if that's what you want.
You Hackcultist continue to be wacked.
You literally are listing THREE fricking movies that your Cult Leader did NOT fricking DIRECT, competently or otherwise, that made MORE just DOMESTICALLY than his two shitty solely directed POS crapfests.
And three fricking movies he didn't direct that made more MONEY than one of his two shitty films and TWO than made more than BOTH of the steaming piles.
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Cereal Lord was a PA; in other words, he did shit like get coffee and make travel arrangements. Did he learn other stuff while being a glorified errand boy? Sure, but his actual practical production experience was largely limited to writing scripts, so not hugely different from writing the scripts for comic books.
But yes, King is an idiot.
[...] >industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC
There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better. Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others. Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
>There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better.
I'm guessing Gunn asked editorial for the best writer to work him and he was given King.
>Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others.
Out of those only Waid works for DC.
>Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
Okay, but did Scott want to work with Gunn on the movies? There are many factors to consider here.
If you disagree with the choice then vote with your wallet and don't watch the movie in theaters.
Tom King's mom was an executive at Fox. That's why he was chosen.
https://www.cbr.com/tom-king-mother-die-hard-widescreen/
Why is DC so depressing? MCU, even if you didn't like it, had the right idea. Take a casual lighthearted approach. Coping the TDK with zero understanding on why it worked, killed the DCEU before it started. I think DC should aim towards children because the edginess is getting too much.
They did that and Shazam! made a little bit but not big money. Sha2am! made frick all, a huge loss.
Meanwhile billion-dollar Jackoff is getting a musical sequel because that's what the world has been crying out for, a non-supervillain version of a supervillain who lives with his mom at 50 and accidentally Falling Downs the whole Fight Club until he Taxi Driver by the numbers, musical numbers.
When has the DCU ever not been a mess, why would it be different with this loser? Why did they think he should be in charge of literally everything anyway?
>Why did they think he should be in charge of literally everything anyway?
Zaslav just wanted him to be a CEO, it was Gunn's decision to basically be involved in every script like he's a mad genius or something.
Hey Black person Brothers, here's an idea for ya: GIVE UP!
Joker was a standalone film and did incredibly well in the box office. The Batman also did solid numbers.
Constantly chasing the MCU when now the MCU is shitting itself to death is genuinely pathetic. It's like watching a moronic child try to tie his shoes. You can't help but to pity the poor bastard because you know he's never gonna do it no matter how hard he tries.
Make smaller stand-alone movies involving DC characters. It gives you the ability to make them whatever tone you want even.
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The guy who wrote Sonic 3 knows Scott Snyder who knows Zack Snyder who knows James Gunn who knows Chip Zdardsky who knows Tom King wo knows Josie Campbell who knows all of the above. What the frick is going on?
You literally are listing THREE fricking movies that your Cult Leader did NOT fricking DIRECT, competently or otherwise, that made MORE just DOMESTICALLY than his two shitty solely directed POS crapfests.
And three fricking movies he didn't direct that made more MONEY than one of his two shitty films and TWO than made more than BOTH of the steaming piles.
Tom King has absolutely no experience running a movie studio or producing a movie and is a terrible choice to oversee anything. He'll need to stop constantly to have the realities of production and budgets explained to him.
For all the guy's a fricking idiot, Geoff Johns has at least been working on major motion pictures longer than he's been working in comic books.
[...]
It's doomed. Even Gunn/Snyder/Feigewhoever doesn't actually run a shared universe. There are again financial and physical realities that need to be addressed. You can lose a whole day just trying to reconcile the schedules of everyone you need to work on two projects. Ten is insane. Even to start with two in active production and then have eight on the stack waiting to go and needing at least some movement so they'll be ready to go when you're done with the first two is a ridiculous amount of work for one person to take on.
You have to delegate. You have to just let other people do their thing and sign off on it and you have to accept the blame if they got it wrong because you signed off on it.
I'm sure he knows all this and I'm sure he's very capable as a director but the step up, not in the way the MCU did it with early projects then taking a hiatus to get right because nobody had high expectations outside the production company, but in going from running a 200 million budget movie to a billion+ budget shared universe with deadlines that he'll already have been given for 2, 4, 6 etc movies produced and released - it's as big as the step up from small budget to tentpole. I just don't think anybody can do it. When he quits there won't even be gloating, it's just too hard a task for anyone to perform.
Cereal Lord was a PA; in other words, he did shit like get coffee and make travel arrangements. Did he learn other stuff while being a glorified errand boy? Sure, but his actual practical production experience was largely limited to writing scripts, so not hugely different from writing the scripts for comic books.
But yes, King is an idiot.
Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
>industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC
There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better. Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others. Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
>There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better.
I'm guessing Gunn asked editorial for the best writer to work him and he was given King.
>Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others.
Out of those only Waid works for DC.
>Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
Okay, but did Scott want to work with Gunn on the movies? There are many factors to consider here.
If you disagree with the choice then vote with your wallet and don't watch the movie in theaters.
The DC films had highier budgets you moron. Even if they grossed more, they made less of a profit than early MCU and certainly the Golden Age of the MCU up until Endgame.
What did you expect? Superman has always been a boring character. He's not allowed to make mistakes, he doesn't have any interesting flaws or dynamics with other characters.
Snyder tried to elevate him and give him a real identity and role, and "fans" hated him for it.
And when the "fans" get what they want then everyone else will be bored, the movie will bomb and the fans will turn a 180 and claim that Gunn failed to capture the character.
>I like his GOTG trilogy. >I like his Suicide Squad.
Frick y'all I'm still optimistic for his Superman. If it's good, word of mouth will help it. The box offi e is changing and peollle can't/don't want to waste money at a theater on slop. It has to be actually-entertaining and Gunn has repeatedly shown he knows how to do that.
Obviously making fun movies at the shitshow that is WB is a Herculean task.
I like everything he's said about his vision for Superman. I like every comic he likes. (Except the Tom King stuff... But King's books have eye catching art and a very prestigious presentation)
I like that he's casting friends and good character actors to be his stock supporting players in all the movies. And they're all B list characters and the whole thing has a Giffen-DeMatteis-Maguire JLI vibe. Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner. You guys need to unclench your buttholes.
>A Superman movie, a Supergirl movie, an Authority movie (spinoff of Superman), a Batman and Robin movie, a Swamp Thing movie >A paradise island tv show, a Green Lanterns show, a Booster Gold show, an Amanda Waller show, a Creature Commandos cartoon >trying to get audiences and execs comfortable with the idea of "Elseworlds" for Joaquin Joker and Pattinson Batman. >A "chapter 1" and "chapter 2" cinematic plan that uses New Frontier for inspiration
This feels like an interesting and reasonable approach. The problem is the studio and market around him are not stable enough. I wish he had the space to try and pull it off.
They want to squirt out a project the size of the MCU all at once without the incremental groundwork that the MCU did.
It's also just too fricking late to have a competing mega-franchise. The MCU is out of steam and superheroes bore the public now. Even a really good one will just be "another one"
I don't believe Jeff Sneider, but the reason I'm skeptical Gunn will have much success is that the public has been losing interest in the MCU, so they're trying to copy something that is already past its sell-by date.
DC has had success with individual superhero movies and repeatedly failed at doing the interconnected universe self-perpetuating thing. Except that only worked for Feige and now it isn't even working for him as well as it used to. Why would Gunn be any different?
HAHAHAHAHA
Shit shit shit shit shit. Can’t I have 1 good Superman movie this century?
Only once he enters the public domain.
you know the shitty horror movie where he is a serial killer that gets made when he goes public domain is not going to break any new ground with how many evil supermen there are these days
There'll be bad movies then too. But at least someone will be able to do a passion project with Warner trying to steal their money.
James Gunn himself already produced one like that
>Superman enters public domain in 2034
Imagine if Marvel makes a good Superman film. It would be the ultimate frick you to DC.
Marvel would only ever promote its own shit.
An insider can claim everything they want. If the movie is successful or not, it all depends on the box office by the time it releases.
Still think this movie can make a billion, but we'll see.
I don't think ANY Superhero comic will make a billion and the days of 4-5 movies making a billion are going to be exceedingly rare. 1-2 will be the max. For example, I don't personally think anything will come close next year BUT I'll also be honest and say that if you told me Openheimer would make more than $600-700M, it would take extreme luck, so I could certainly be wrong. But the indications from the past two years is that the post pandemic audience is not back and is NOT likely coming back with a few rare exceptions.
The fact that the Chinese are refusing to show or refusing to PAY (versus pirate) western film, whether we're talking Disney, Pixar, Marvel, DC, Universal, yadda yadda is anywhere from $100M to $300M from many popcorn movies.
Anon, part of why Oppenheimer and Barbie made so much was because people were sick of superhero films and they brought something different to the table for blockbusters
It's because they were easy to meme on social media and normies just mindlessly do whatever algos tell them to do anyway. Why do you think there are so many blatant grifters are recycling shit from Cinemaphile?
It gets a reaction from the tards who have been b***hing about it on Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile for the last decade can be wound up like the mewling pugs in search of validation that they are and be milked.
Same reason why you saw the fake harry potter drama go viral and bg3 do well. Humans are just worthless.
>people were sick of superhero films and they brought something different to the table
Oppenheimer was excessively long, even for Nolan, and even the "shot in IMAX" was really only helped by the fact that other typical IMAX films crashed and burned like Indy and MI - and it was merely slightly more linear for Nolan, but not more so than say Dunkirk so no, it didn't bring anything 'different'
Barbie succeeded for the same reason Super Mario succeeded - which is same as the reason why something like that stupid Stanley cup is popular - internet meme and hype. The fact that it was, for the people who saw it, fun and a good group activity, also helped get more such people to go. It's why it did globally.
Capeshit isn't what people are sick off, or Indiana Jone and Mission Impossible and others wouldn't have been such big bombs otherwise.
If they couldn't do it with Antman off a popular Loki run or with Thor, they weren't going to do it with Renner, Wanda and Vision; I'm also not saying we're not getting any billion dollar movies, I am just saying we're not getting 3-5 of them in one year like we were, much less two 2B+ movies back to back.
Even that last Avatar sequel took 57 weeks (or more than a year) to make it's $2B.
People just don't want to go to theaters POST lock down is and remains my point.
>Capeshit isn't what people are sick off,
People who keep saying this shit always try to disassociate the genre from its defining elements: quips, dark humor, special effects, and action.
I think Marvel could've pulled another billion dollar movie if they did West Coast Avengers after Thanos. Lower the stakes and only keep Hawkeye, Wanda, and Vision then toss in Tigra and Wonder Man as the new members (vigilante who stumbled her way into actual superpowers and a celebrity with a heart of gold) then have Mockingbird join up as a spy involved with the plot and intro Kate Bishop near the end to set up Young Avengers. Use big names for the three new members and run it more like the pre-whedon films where quips weren't wall to wall.
>The info comes from Jeff Sneider via The Hot Mic who says that DC is kind of a mess while discussing that both Marvel and Star Wars are a big mess.
>“I’ll tell you that’s something that hasn’t really been reported yet and I just heard vague whispers, but like, okay, your DC’s kind of a mess, too,” Sneider told John Rocha.
>Rocha questioned, ” The James Gunn DC Verse? You’re saying you’re already hearing is a bit of a mess?”
>“Yeah, I am,” laughed Sneider. “A little bit. A little bit.”
>Sneider continued, “There’s a billion projects to do up there and it’s like seemingly one guy with his hand in all of them. I mean he’s got two hands. I mean this is like beyond Feige.”
>Rocha says Feige didn’t start out right away with so many projects and that Gunn has like five or ten projects and questions if that what Sneider is sensing.
>“Yeah, a little bit,” responded Sneider. “I just don’t know how you run a studio and direct a movie at the same time. You don’t see Donna Langley [Chairman of Universal Pictures] directing movies, and I get that DC is not Universal Pictures but like… it’s him and Peter up there and they have a lot. They have their work cut out for them.”
>Jeff Sneider
Guess the check cleared.
more like people called him out on his bullshit, like what's happening to most "scoopers" (read: grifters) nowadays
TBF film production is by nature a messy process. It's like spinning a bunch of plates while juggling cats, with the end result being an at least acceptable product often feeling like a borderline miracle (hence why a big studio releasing a true turd is a big deal, because the people who work there are usually competent enough to regularly pull mediocre adequacy out of their asses).
these guys want to copy the MCUs success but they dont want to do the work, get straight to the exciting crossovers instead of slowly building up to that
DC is a cursed brand. I can't imagine Marvel releasing a videogame where they brutally murder all their heroes.
Marvel believes in hope (unironically filled with Supergays) on the other hand, DC is addicted to death and destruction.
They ruined it. It's too late.
>Marvel believes in hope
They also believe in woke
Both of them suck now
I'm talking about the movies before they went to shit.
Meanwhile the DCEU was always shit.
So is it possible for you to not be a /misc/tard?
It's called X-Men: Ravages of Apocalypse.
It's awful.
That's a concern, not a mess.
Don't they have other execs to delegate work to? Chantal Nong, Galen Vaisman, etc? It's not like it's just Gunn and Safran working at the studio by themselves
Why have 10+ fricking superheroes in a superman movie?
Supposedly, they're getting ready for Superman going public domain. Associating him with more modern, copyrighted characters in the eyes of the audience so the eventual public domain versions are viewed as cheap knock-offs that can't use the modern imagery, stories, and characters.
https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/superman-batman-copyrights-expire-dc-public-domain-superheroes-wonder-woman-1235875386/amp/
That's not for like 10 years though, and at least 12 or more for a design that includes a recognizable "S" logo.
Because he didn't want to write a Superman film.
Fire king and the other homosexuals, hire me and profit
The fall of DC was a psyop.
Order out of what? Chaos.
Snyder was the chaos. His "mess" led to the order that is Gunn's new DCU.
James Gunn and Snyder knew each other before Zack directed Man of Steel. Everyone in the industry is connected.
WE WON, SYNDER CHADS
>Matt McGroin
Only good posts itt. McGroin is a fauxtrage content farmer, stop falling for his bullshit.
Once they shitcanned Gal that was it. She could've been the saving grace.
Keeping Gal but getting rid of Cavill would not have gone well.
I would have preferred ripping the bandaid off and recasting everybody, including the Gunnverse folks, but of course he didn't have the balls to do what needed to be done.
Why am I not surprised.
Why do you just believe everything you read ?
WB's track record.
Because it was obvious to with common sense. Feige is a studio head first and creative second. He doesn’t write scripts or direct shit. Gunn is a studio head managing all these projects including now video games while also writing/directing Superman and writing peacemaker S2
These are your new DC creators bro.
WB handled DC like my ADD cousin plays RPGs
>spends 4 hours in the character creator
>plays for 15 minutes then realized he doesn't like something and restarts immediately
>another 2 hours in the character creator
>makes it to an hour before restarting from scratch again
>etc
>never actually beats the game
Didn't Gunn admit that WB just handled out DC to just anyone and there was no direction? Add onto DC comics themselves not caring anymore. That explains alot.
Before, yes. This is supposed to be different, with Gunn overseeing everything.
>with Gunn overseeing everything.
How do you think that would go? Will there finally be mandates on these characters. I just want consistency and characters with defined roles and purpose for fricks sake.
Ideally. But apparently one guy overseeing ten projects isn't a good idea.
And I still think WB will start micromanaging and "fixing" everything the minute one of the movies underperforms, just like they did before. They can't help themselves.
I expect Tom King to oversee as well. Gunn asked him specifically for notes.
Tom King has absolutely no experience running a movie studio or producing a movie and is a terrible choice to oversee anything. He'll need to stop constantly to have the realities of production and budgets explained to him.
For all the guy's a fricking idiot, Geoff Johns has at least been working on major motion pictures longer than he's been working in comic books.
It's doomed. Even Gunn/Snyder/Feigewhoever doesn't actually run a shared universe. There are again financial and physical realities that need to be addressed. You can lose a whole day just trying to reconcile the schedules of everyone you need to work on two projects. Ten is insane. Even to start with two in active production and then have eight on the stack waiting to go and needing at least some movement so they'll be ready to go when you're done with the first two is a ridiculous amount of work for one person to take on.
You have to delegate. You have to just let other people do their thing and sign off on it and you have to accept the blame if they got it wrong because you signed off on it.
I'm sure he knows all this and I'm sure he's very capable as a director but the step up, not in the way the MCU did it with early projects then taking a hiatus to get right because nobody had high expectations outside the production company, but in going from running a 200 million budget movie to a billion+ budget shared universe with deadlines that he'll already have been given for 2, 4, 6 etc movies produced and released - it's as big as the step up from small budget to tentpole. I just don't think anybody can do it. When he quits there won't even be gloating, it's just too hard a task for anyone to perform.
Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
>Tom King was selected because he's an industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC.
Tom King literally just reads fan wikis for character research. You don't need even need him and can just go straight to the source if that's what you want.
Tom King's mom was an executive at Fox. That's why he was chosen.
https://www.cbr.com/tom-king-mother-die-hard-widescreen/
Tom King is the worst thing to happen to comics since Bendis
god I hope disney buys them. I just want superman and iron man on the big screen together.
Also frick batman he ruined everything.
>god I hope disney buys them
You butthole you're nuts to give going broke Pissney anything else
Yes, I want them all to collapse together all at once. MCU, DCU and Star Wars all crashing at once.
oh, please unlike warner they're still making a profit.
Disney at best could aqquire individual characters but not DC as a whole since they own Marvel.
Why is DC so depressing? MCU, even if you didn't like it, had the right idea. Take a casual lighthearted approach. Coping the TDK with zero understanding on why it worked, killed the DCEU before it started. I think DC should aim towards children because the edginess is getting too much.
They did that and Shazam! made a little bit but not big money. Sha2am! made frick all, a huge loss.
Meanwhile billion-dollar Jackoff is getting a musical sequel because that's what the world has been crying out for, a non-supervillain version of a supervillain who lives with his mom at 50 and accidentally Falling Downs the whole Fight Club until he Taxi Driver by the numbers, musical numbers.
When has the DCU ever not been a mess, why would it be different with this loser? Why did they think he should be in charge of literally everything anyway?
Warner Bros is lazy.
"I can fix her" but for movie studio/ franchise
>Why did they think he should be in charge of literally everything anyway?
Zaslav just wanted him to be a CEO, it was Gunn's decision to basically be involved in every script like he's a mad genius or something.
Hey Black person Brothers, here's an idea for ya: GIVE UP!
Joker was a standalone film and did incredibly well in the box office. The Batman also did solid numbers.
Constantly chasing the MCU when now the MCU is shitting itself to death is genuinely pathetic. It's like watching a moronic child try to tie his shoes. You can't help but to pity the poor bastard because you know he's never gonna do it no matter how hard he tries.
Make smaller stand-alone movies involving DC characters. It gives you the ability to make them whatever tone you want even.
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you know fully well that they won't listen to us at all, and would rather dig a deeper hole for their company
They really needed to clean slate and just make one movie with none of the previous actors.
>Matt McGloin
The guy who wrote Sonic 3 knows Scott Snyder who knows Zack Snyder who knows James Gunn who knows Chip Zdardsky who knows Tom King wo knows Josie Campbell who knows all of the above. What the frick is going on?
my god
Apologize.
People shit on Snyder a lot but he was literally the only competent director DC had, and the numbers prove it.
>numbers mean anything.
These movies fricking stink and that's that.
>tfw Batman vs Superman made more money than Blue Beetle
truly a miracle
You Hackcultist continue to be wacked.
You literally are listing THREE fricking movies that your Cult Leader did NOT fricking DIRECT, competently or otherwise, that made MORE just DOMESTICALLY than his two shitty solely directed POS crapfests.
And three fricking movies he didn't direct that made more MONEY than one of his two shitty films and TWO than made more than BOTH of the steaming piles.
Cereal Lord was a PA; in other words, he did shit like get coffee and make travel arrangements. Did he learn other stuff while being a glorified errand boy? Sure, but his actual practical production experience was largely limited to writing scripts, so not hugely different from writing the scripts for comic books.
But yes, King is an idiot.
>industry veteran with near encyclopedic knowledge of all things DC
There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better. Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others. Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
>There are a shit load of people who are still alive who meet this criteria far better.
I'm guessing Gunn asked editorial for the best writer to work him and he was given King.
>Even Alex Ross, as mostly an illustrator, would meet this criteria better and King would likely admit this if you publicly asked him in front of an audience at a Con. He would likely admit this about Jurgens, Waid, Morrison and many others.
Out of those only Waid works for DC.
>Of his current age peer creators, he's likely acknowledge this of several others, including Scott Snyder.
Okay, but did Scott want to work with Gunn on the movies? There are many factors to consider here.
If you disagree with the choice then vote with your wallet and don't watch the movie in theaters.
The DC films had highier budgets you moron. Even if they grossed more, they made less of a profit than early MCU and certainly the Golden Age of the MCU up until Endgame.
What did you expect? Superman has always been a boring character. He's not allowed to make mistakes, he doesn't have any interesting flaws or dynamics with other characters.
Snyder tried to elevate him and give him a real identity and role, and "fans" hated him for it.
And when the "fans" get what they want then everyone else will be bored, the movie will bomb and the fans will turn a 180 and claim that Gunn failed to capture the character.
>I like his GOTG trilogy.
>I like his Suicide Squad.
Frick y'all I'm still optimistic for his Superman. If it's good, word of mouth will help it. The box offi e is changing and peollle can't/don't want to waste money at a theater on slop. It has to be actually-entertaining and Gunn has repeatedly shown he knows how to do that.
Obviously making fun movies at the shitshow that is WB is a Herculean task.
I like everything he's said about his vision for Superman. I like every comic he likes. (Except the Tom King stuff... But King's books have eye catching art and a very prestigious presentation)
I like that he's casting friends and good character actors to be his stock supporting players in all the movies. And they're all B list characters and the whole thing has a Giffen-DeMatteis-Maguire JLI vibe. Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner. You guys need to unclench your buttholes.
>A Superman movie, a Supergirl movie, an Authority movie (spinoff of Superman), a Batman and Robin movie, a Swamp Thing movie
>A paradise island tv show, a Green Lanterns show, a Booster Gold show, an Amanda Waller show, a Creature Commandos cartoon
>trying to get audiences and execs comfortable with the idea of "Elseworlds" for Joaquin Joker and Pattinson Batman.
>A "chapter 1" and "chapter 2" cinematic plan that uses New Frontier for inspiration
This feels like an interesting and reasonable approach. The problem is the studio and market around him are not stable enough. I wish he had the space to try and pull it off.
>Frick y'all I'm still optimistic for his Superman.
Why? It's been nothing but lies and broken promises under Gunn and Saffran.
Gal is a bad actress and the first WW movie was a mediocre retread of tropes carried by Chris Pine.
Do you really think it's some great loss to start fresh with Wonder Woman? You think Gal is the best actress possible for the role?
Funny, I just noticed Wonder Woman's rating on IMDb fell to 7.3 recently
Do you think Gal would've gone on Twitter and announce that she secured her role in the Gunnverse if she wasn't told or lead to believe that?
yes
This is fake news. Go look up new Superman actor. He's doing a similar ocean shoot that Cavil did. Both wearing Black too. This is a psyop.
Be real, did Alan Moore cast a curse on DC?
They want to squirt out a project the size of the MCU all at once without the incremental groundwork that the MCU did.
It's also just too fricking late to have a competing mega-franchise. The MCU is out of steam and superheroes bore the public now. Even a really good one will just be "another one"
I don't believe Jeff Sneider, but the reason I'm skeptical Gunn will have much success is that the public has been losing interest in the MCU, so they're trying to copy something that is already past its sell-by date.
DC has had success with individual superhero movies and repeatedly failed at doing the interconnected universe self-perpetuating thing. Except that only worked for Feige and now it isn't even working for him as well as it used to. Why would Gunn be any different?
>I don't believe Jeff Sneider,
Why? Is it because you don't like what he has to say? Or do you have a genuine reason for disbelieving him?
stop making cinematic universes. problem solved.
Zaslav is salivating over the 33 billion the MCU has made, so that's why they're trying this universe again