WB statement:
The decision to not release Batgirl reflects our leadership’s strategic shift as it relates to the DC universe and HBO Max. Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor and this decision is not a reflection of her performance. We are incredibly grateful to the filmmakers of Batgirl and Scoob! Holiday Haunt and their respective casts and we hope to collaborate with everyone again in the near future.”
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Yeah that wasn't worth a thread.
Also this,
Essentially, because both movies (Batgirl/Scoob) were commissioned before Warner Bros. merged with Discovery, the newly formed company Warner Bros. Discovery can receive tax benefits if it doesn't use materials from pre-merger for profit. The company had until mid-August to make a decision on the write-downs, hence why the decision was made briskly. In other words, a lot of this came down to money
COPE
>*dozens of polysyllabic words*
No it’s cuz blacks, nerd
But why bury that specific film? It must have been the worst of the lot.
I have a feeling it's one of many. Expect stuff like Blue Bettle, Zatanna and Black Canary getting murdered.
Flash will still be greenlit, despite Ezra Miller being a Ezra Miller, because israeli practices.
There's no deep conspiracy. It's just a numbers game.
It's a mess marketing-wise. It has JK simmons who was in Justice League, and Michael Keaton and not connected to the Robert Pattinson Batman. They probably want to save batgirl for those movies now. Just use Jeffrey Wright as Gordon and have it be his daughter.
This. Getting to write off a loss completely in one tax year instead of spreading it out over a number of years is huge, especially with an increase in the corporate minimum tax rate looming:
https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/companies-get-irs-clarity-for-calculating-losses-in-acquisition
It died because the new suits realized it was complete woke garbage and realize audiences are avoiding woke capeshit like the plague (even Marvel is failing to fill seats now), so it was better to scrap a completed but terrible film than to further degrade the DC brand, which the new owners are very keen on capitalizing on. That's why, and anything else is cope.
>let me tell you about my delusional headcanon with zero basis
>Discovery can receive tax benefits if it doesn't use materials from pre-merger for profit
But why? What fricking israelite out this into motion?
>explainer on bidness
thanks for that, anon...legit educational.
Also, let's face it...
that movie was going to end up a smoking crater bomb and wipe out the DC.
They already spent 70mill and finished it
And it was deemed hot garbage (just look at the suits lmao) it also had a weird continuity with characters and reference across different universes that won’t fit the new plan for DC. why lose up to 150m when you can get it all back and act as if nothing happened
There is no way the write-off is more profitable than releasing the movies/shows unless they looked at it and said, "wow this is shit. let's just take the loss and write it off."
It was going to be released on hbo max so it would make literally nothing. And it was too shitty for a theatrical release. So at that point why even spend 100m when you have the opportunity to get it all back
If it's shit it will damage the brand more than not releasing it. The DC has very little in the way of good will left due to a large string of super shit movies.
Exactly, the DCEU can’t afford any more blunders, batgirl is a risky character already if her movie wasn’t perfect it would get shit on and the standard DCEU shitting would continue and frick over their future movies profits
Costly big actors plus newbie directors that don’t know how to handle a project that size and probably no execs were there for quality control (just look at the costumes lmao) which is how it ended up as a CW-like thing. But only the old regime was moronic enough to green light a 70m dollar movie that would only go to hbomax
To add on, the batgirl budget was already 20m over the 70m budget and they were barely in post production, that plus promotion probably would’ve went up to 150m. And the new scoob costed 40m. It’s a lot of money saved for what will be actual good future products
What in the absolute Frick!? Why would they Fricking do this? It was being setup to fail! There is Fricking no way you can make a modern superhero blockbuster movie for under 100m budget. Just no Fricking way!
>There is Fricking no way you can make a modern superhero blockbuster movie for under 100m budget. Just no Fricking way!
Shazam's budget was between $80m and $100m.
Joker was like $40m
Tbf joker was just a normal movie. Superhero movies are 2hr+ cgifests with massive promotion
>Superhero movies are 2hr+ cgifests with massive promotion
The next BP looks like it's gonna hit rock bottom.
Bullshit. We talking about the same guy who wants CNN to be centrist and objective. He clearly cancelled it because it was woke and cringe
>hence why
>Scoob! Holiday Haunt
lmfao did anyone even watch the first one
>no Batgirl
>Will Smith cancelled for the slap so no Deadshot
>No Batman crossovers
>No Superman news
>Captain Boomerang never fights Flash
>Slipknot and Weasel never meet Firestorm
>Shazam fury of the gods without Wonder Woman or Aquaman
>Flash will be fired
What exactly is DC endgame?
I thought they considered Batman and Superman box office poison and went for never been in movies superheroes like Aquaman and Birds of Prey.
But now they're trying to return to a shitty solo universes of heroes.
The Batman was just Punisher Max for people that don't knoe Batman and no one will like Flashpoint for the controversies
They’re unironically soft rebooting the DCU with Black Adam. I don’t even know if it will cross over with their version of Shazam. Which is a baffling decision as Black Adam likely will be mediocre at best, they’re just hoping the Rock will be enough to guarantee Marvel level big bucks. Once Black Adam underperforms, the DCU will shelve everything and do a hard reset. Matt Reeves will keep making Batman movies while they try to recalibrate, they’ll probably try to start again with a new Superman in 5 years but they’ll either make it a woke nightmare that no one will watch, it’ll be a boring too serious MoS style movie, or they’ll actually do it right and start fresh with a Superman that feels like Superman. But 5 years who the frick knows if theaters will still even be around, it could just end being Max series which are just a slight upgrade over CW slop.
I might watch for Dr Fatekino
True, I like the casting but Black Adam seems hardly interesting enough to carry his own film. I would like to see Dr. Fate done right and bringing in Brosnan is genius.
>or they’ll actually do it right and start fresh with a Superman that feels like Superman
Please explain what you think this is? Because Superman Returns bombed at the box office while Man of Steel and BvS were both profitable
Superman Returns didn't feel like Superman, he was a creep he kept staring at Lois Lane in the shower and also blatantly abandoned his son. I know they tried to make it a direct continuation of the Donner films, but none of the fun, color, humor, and inspiring character of Superman is really there. It's dull and drab and makes Superman look like an alien, which he is, but he's meant to feel more human. You want a good Superman just watch JLU or the Superman animated series. He's still heroic and noble, but at times he cuts loose and gets a little dark when he gets pushed too far, he's a the last boy scout in a world where that's absent and yet he doesn't come across as naiive or as a joke to the audience. Hell Marvel characterized him more or less correctly in the form of Captain America. If it's a concern over his power level, just limit his powers, his power level in the comics and animated series has always been wildly inconsistent.
So basically you just want to watch live-action cartoons with zero character depth?
NTA, but you are still discussing comicbooks.
It’s a comic book movie and Superman the animated series and JLU both have character depth without making Superman a whiney mope in a dull blue suit that looks borderline grey. You can have characters that are morally good and still have depth. Not everything must be subversion.
>making Superman a whiney mope
?
I don't think I've ever seen a film where Superman whines?
That’s pretty much it, it’s incredibly difficult to outdo man of steel, the people that b***h about it want something that would end up being generic trash which is arguably more of a fundamental flaw of the character. We’ve been so starved for Superman content that it’s easy to forget he’s boring and Batman is the cooler choice. The amount of people that could do a good Superman movie bare slim, personally the only ones I think could do a proper Cavill Sequel are Christopher McQuarrie and Joseph Kosinski(although the ideal movie for him is Green Lantern). Snyder could also do it but the his outcome heavily depends on who’s producing and writing, all 3 of his DC movies are similar yet different in a lot of ways from each other.
>they’ll probably try to start again with a new Superman in 5 years but they’ll either make it a woke nightmare that no one will watch
This is what the Coates and Jordan’s projects were supposed to be, last I heard of the Coates one Zaslav shut down the idea of Clark Kent being black. Assuming that one anon was right about Thursday being full of cancellations I’m assuming this stuff along with all the other future DC stuff like Zatana is going as well, the only stuff that’ll stay are Blue Beetle, Black Adam, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, The Flash, Joker 2, and The Batman 2, and Peacemaker S2. Furthermore with Keaton’s scene getting replaced with Affleck, rumors of The Flash’s ending being changed to remove Hamada’s plan, and one scooper who is confident Affleck will be in another project after the Flash it seems that Batfleck is back. Hopefully that opens the door for Henry to come back also, I bet Zaslav would be willing to give him the solo movie he wants. We’ll have to wait and see what happens before looking beyond. Pic related was Hamada’s plan for the justice league and thank god it seems like it’s getting scrapped
It's like Marvel was drinking poison with Phase 4 and instead of pressing their advantage or even just waiting them out, DC was going "GIMME A HIT O' THAT SHEEEIT BRO!" And then Zaslav stepped in and put a straight jacket on them.
>last I heard of the Coates one Zaslav shut down the idea of Clark Kent being black
Wasn't it supposed to be Val-Zod or something?
No he was doing Clark Kent, he was gonna race swap Clark and somehow equate public and/government hatred for Superman to racism, Lois was going to be Asian. I’m not exaggerating that’s literally how it was, last I heard Zaslav said no to black Clark and since it’s still in the writing stage I’m betting it’ll get scrapped along with all the other conceptual projects. Michael B Jordan and JJ Abrams were also doing a Superman project but there are no details about that at least that I can remember, they could have been doing val zod
>soft rebooting
No, DCEU leaves too bad a taste in people's mouths. It needs a full reboot and complete rebranding to distance it from the DCEU films as much as possible. They can make a big deal about it, release it as a huge news for Comic Con or something, DCEU is officially ending and they're starting the DC Film Universe or something. You can't make people question if a new Green Arrow movie is tangentially related to the old DCEU films, you have to make it clear DCEU is dead and what you're releasing is completely new.
They need to avoid soft rebooting and just hard reset. Keep momoa aquaman, keep shazam, keep pattinson batman mainly because he seems to be less of a drama prone alcoholic than ben, keep wonderwoman mainly because they're stuck with her, bring back cavil superman with decent writing or hard reset supes, axe the flash entirely for the short term, and just focus on solo films for the next few years until each of those characters is set up properly.
They can do crossovers and shit once they have an actual universe. Right now they have a pile of wildly uneven movies and no clear plan to progress anything. Its not a coincidence the solo films did miles better than the crossovers, they need to lay the groundwork before they can try something like that.
>they need to hard rest
>they need to keep almost the entire current cast of actors
Choose one
Momoa is a hot mess child molestor living in a friends trailer. After Ezra do you think they will want to take a chance on him? The pics of him groping his daughters breasts and bum are out there.
Why are they stuck with the israeli stick insect? There are plenty of Khazar milkers out there that dculd do a better job of fitting the dostume and acting. Thats if the actress has to be israeli.
Pattison can't emote, Afleck is drinking his life away. Its a suit with an exposed mouth. The Mouth of Sauron could play the roll. So again, it could be any one.
>Flash will be fired
Just kill him and cast someone as wally west(the real one not the other)
The Flash movie will write him out of the DCKU. They're already expecting it to underperform because of Miller shenanigans and know parents won't bring their kids to see an outed child groomer and sociopath. Warner bros is banking on older fans coming out of the woodwork to see Keaton (and Snyder fans for Batfleck) to at least break the 300 million threshold, but anything beyond that isn't expected anymore.
>Warner bros is banking on older fans coming out of the woodwork to see Keaton
I don't think oldgays really care all that much about BatKeaton, so WB might be in for a surprise. I know I don't care all that much to see him return, despite Keaton being "my" Batman.
Also, imagine how livid Keaton now must be. WB drag him out of retirement and push him to return to a role he checked out of 30 years ago and now he gets fricked out of two movies he stars in, making it all a giant waste of his time.
This is what happens when Hamada completely ignores all the market data and just thinks about what he'd personally like to see
Yeah, it's not like the Star Wars ST situation, where people flooded the cinemas just to see Luke Skywalker again (and got royally trolled for their trouble). Keaton was just one of many Batmen and now he's old. So, eh?
Quite the opposite actually. Dude was terrified to do anything with Justice League, Superman, and Batman after Snyder exited and needed to hold Geoff Johns hand to do things. He was a pussy and was probably being an ass along with the other execs, the regime of which operated out of malice. The Snyder cut and The Suicide Squad were AT&T productions, Hamada sat there and let DC churn out shit like Birds of Prey and WW1984, when he saw green lantern in ZSJL he called Johns to see if it was okay which it wasn’t because Johns wanted to use green lantern for himself and now the green lantern projects are canceled lmao. The deal for the Snyder cut was that it would be non canon but the execs knew people would see it as the definitive edition and they still fricked with it out of spite by not promoting it, no releasing it in china, and removing John Stewart what you think would be a golden minority plus for them. Thank Zaslav for sending them and all the shitty projects like batgirl to the curb
Jesus christ no one gives a shit.
>and cast someone as wally west
so a Black, cuz wally is a red head
Boomerang never fights Flash
Yes he did
finally. sage so it gets out of here
so why are they still release the flash movie but not the batgirl movie
Because the flash is designed from the top down as a theatrical release, it's production and marketing budget reflects the scope and scale of the story.
Batgirl was like a tv movie, essentially, only intended for streaming.
I just wanted to see fraiserfly
That costume looks incredibly dull and I'm sure he doesn't even fly.
>Jai Courtney lands the first role in his carrier that fits his mold
>Gets killed off in his second appearance.
Don't worry, suicide squad 2 is non-canon.
muh strategy
just release the film, the DCU is already an absolute mess, no one cares about continuity or tone or consistency or whatever. We know there's a million Batmans
>acceptance phase
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
>another brick falling into place to restore the Snyderverse
Oh yeah, it's all coming together
Why is this thread still getting bumped?
Sneederverse is a meme.
>Why is this thread still getting bumped?
dunno lol
wtf bros why did putler sabotage batgirl? first putinflation now this...
>Snyderverse outperforms MCU in the equivalent films of each franchise by chronological release
>Hamada and Johns get mad
>Use Snyder's daughter's suicide to kick Snyder out
>Push a bunch of shit without him
>It all bombs
>"Why has Snyder cursed us?"
>Dig their feet in despite the fans shouting from the rooftops to release the Snyder cut
>WB keep seething and journalists claim that no one wants to see the film
>Journalists try to say that Snyderchads are racists
>Ray Fisher comes out and confirms that Whedon cut most of his scenes from JL and that Whedon was abusive on set and probably racist
>Fisher's story is collaborated by Gal Gadot
>Whedon gets cancelled
>Suddenly DC are at risk of being cancelled
>Reluctantly release the Snyder cut and try to tank it
>ZSJL dominates HBOmax and gets record numbers
>Outshines Gunn's new Suicide Squad film
>Hamada and Johns still eternally seething
>Put in place plans to permanently destroy Snyder's films in the continuity
>Discovery buys WB/DC/HBO
>Sees that Hamada has fricked everything
>Halt all DC releases before they can destroy Snyder's work
>Force DC to walk that shit back
>Restore the Snyderverse
Damn it feels good to be a Snyderchad
the absolute delusion, worse than q boomers
>seething and malding
One day you'll join us in the sun
The only place you'll join will be the trash right along marvel and their wokeshit.
DC to walk that shit back
the Snyderverse
They will start from zero, no one liked the Snyder movies or the woke shit
>no one liked the Snyder movies
lol keep saying it and eventually it will come true
>no one liked the Snyder movies or the woke shit
Go back to Cinemaphile you delusional homosexual
>because strategic shift as it relates to the DC universe and HBO Max
well that clears everything up
>In film school
>Worked on a film crew this summer
>It's just some no name Disney kids movie with no one anyone really knows
>Will be dumped on streaming to pad out their library and forgotten about
>$15mil budget
It's stunning what gets greenlight and the money Hollywood suits will burn on some things while cheeping out in other areas. There's so much shit being made right now its kind of crazy.
How do you get a job on set?
15 million is chump change for Disney and those straight to steaming productions are fairly lucrative in the long run.
>Sylvester Stallone was originally in negotiations to play the antagonist Firefly but an agreement couldn't be made. The role was then offered to Brendan Fraser who immediately accepted the role.
why would Stallone be interested in such a piddly role?
You'd be surprised, he appears in one of the guardians of the galaxy films as a literal who for 5 minutes
He was also a King Shark in SS.
You know. King Shark.
DC needs weird movies like this more comic booky and camp.
Is he even going to be in the third one?
Stallone's doing his own superhero movie called Samaritan.
Yeah but more like he would have been too expensive.
Get woke, go broke.
simple as
Kek! How crazy is it that the first Suicide Squad that all the critics hated, was a massive box office success even though no China?
It probably made about as much profit as Wonder Woman and BvS because it cost quite a bit less to make with less marketing budget, and only Aquaman really beat it out in terms of profit.
And then Gunn came around for the second film and just made a straight up "Critically acclaimed" box office bust.
I remember the trailer was really good, it has nothing to do with the movie tho
Is it weird that I kinda feel bad for Brendan Fraser and Leslie Grace, despite not really giving a frick about this movie? Like the movie looked like a total shitshow, but Grace seemed to be having the time of her life, playing a superhero.
I guess they got paid, but still.
damn Brendan Fraser was in this? I didn't know that now I almost wish it wasn't canceled
I guess he's feeling Justed again.
Hes still got that aronofsky movie coming out
Can we get #TheBrendanCut?
(a cut of the film where it's just Fraser's scenes and everything else is edited out)
I always liked the Keaton suit. Something about the all black, pointy ears and big yellow symbol just does something for me. But his face looks so stupid and chunky in the cowl.
>Black person stealing a redhead's rightful role gets her movie shitcanned
justice
needs to happen more
spider-racista
OHNONONO! ESTO EL NO RACI
STA! E MUCHO SPIDER-RECONQUISTA JAJAJAJAJA
you can just say "flash is cancelled" and we understand
The lead actress was probably so shit it wasn't salvageable. They pick these random half spic-nig instagram influencers or whatever and give them top billing, only to find out these morons can't act to save their lives. Same thing with that Elle Balinska broad
Okay, but jokes aside, why does hollywood REFUSE to have main characters that are actually trained by older mentors anymore? Why does the hero have to already naturally be great?
And don't just chime in with generic blaming it on woketards - this same happens with white male heroes at the moment too
you know why
because everyone is being played by black actors/actresses now and you can't show an old white guy mentor training them because they're naturally perfect according to hollyood
>Why does the hero have to already naturally be great?
Because the hero is female.
So will they beg to Nolan to make another Bale Batman movie?
No they have crappy reeves for that, Nolan should do that nightwing movie he set up.
>strategic shift
good riddance wokegays
Christian bale or batfleck coming back? We need healing.
We need healing!
Appealing to tumblr homosexuals is hopefully at an end
why would you waste 100 million dollarydoos? at least put it on a streaming service, who fricking cares
the frick is wrong with people
Because if they scrap it they can declare it a loss and make it tax deductible. If the product gets released, it's no longer considered a loss.
And WB knew they have a flop on their hands, didn't want to risk more money for post-production and marketing and if they cancel it - that's one less DCEU movie they have to worry about after they rebrand with the new strategy.
It's a win/win for them from a corporate standpoint.
>if they scrap it they can declare it a loss and make it tax deductible
I love israeli coin shaving and penny pinching (fractional reserve banking)!
You only say that because you can't take advantage of it, because you are dumb.
I kneel to the israelites, truly God's chosen people. The evidence speaks for itself.
They don’t lose money, a tax write off gives it all back to them via insurance. If they continued to work on it and release it they’d spend another 100m for nothing but a goofy CW level movie on HBO Max
Well minus the bonuses they pay to the actors and directors for canceling it which will only be a few mill which is only a few dollars in the grand scheme of this. The leaks suggest the movie was shit anyway and with Affleck potentially taking his spot back from Keaton this is good
oh I didn't know that. seems logical
>muh taxe write off
Tell me how I know you never tried opening your own business, even a hole-in-the-wall coffee shop. Nobody can take $90 mil hits on a "tax write off", if that was so fricking simple, every studio would just throw at least one $100 million movie in the fricking bin during the year - yet it doesn't fricking happen, and now that it did, it's front page news.
True, it would be ridiculous. I don't believe that bullshit.
You can carry forward losses into the next tax year. They'll make it back, even if it takes a few years. If it flops catastrophically they'll never claw that money back.
I heard from a birdie that due to the legality of the merger Discovery is allowed to scrap pre merger projects in this manner bc muh different company but they only had till mid august to do this which is why they pulled the plug now
Tell me you don't know anything about taxes without telling me
I'm sure you've dealt with multi million dollar mergers of multimedia companies
Who could have guessed that a coffee shop follows different tax codes then media companies
I mean this with all sincerity, have a nice day
That Batman looks fricking moronic holly shit
>This was approved by art designers, costume designers, producers and the directors
>All have salaries at least in 6 figures to provide their expertise on matters like this
33 years too late on this one.
Discovery will save DC
Hopefully, cancelling batgirl was a good step in the right direction but the discovery+ rumor is worrying. Hopefully Zaslav isn’t moronic. All he needs to do is get the Justice League back together, initiate the black label movies, bring all dc comics to HBO Max, and the income will soak in
batman is dead
Love seeing tweets from people like "HBO Max is killing their own platform!" because they removed Robert Zemeckis' shitty remake of The Witches and aren't releasing some garbage capeshit no one would have cared about anyway.
We may finally be exiting this leftist hellscape the entertainment industry has become. Maybe
blackrock 10 years funding plan has ended
publishers can still make woke shit but no guaranteed money now
Lmao, I was an extra in this. I remember - I swear - seeing and hearing the director talking to Leslie Grace about porn or some shit between takes. Weird conversation.
elaborate?
>Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor
the hot latino singer???
Afro-latinx
so how much of the movie was actually made? did they have a wrap party, how far along in post-processing, etc.?
They've had test screenings, so it's completely filmed, and the cg and editing is likely either finished, or in late stages.
Grace Randolph was upset because she didn't break this story. She felt her sources let her down and she was caught blindsided by it.
Good. She's a hasbeen.
You MotherFrickers! They are saying this had nothing to do with the quality of the movie! The movie would have been fine and been a hit but there is just too much tax writeoffs to release it!
I kneel
>Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor and this decision is not a reflection of her performance
"But were not going to release it so too bad
They're trying not to become a pariah studio that every actor avoids because of this incident
It's not like the actors didn't get paid, and none of them had gross percentages of the films so what is the big deal?
Actors need constant work. A lot of actors love franchise films and tv work because this guarantees a stable income.
To do a film like this, as an actor you can't take any projects that might clash with it for filming times. Or that might clash with it in branding (like leading another capeshit film by a different studio). This film was relatively low budget and the actress was only just getting her breakthrough which means that her paycheck was almost definitely under $1m.
By the film not releasing, that means that she doesn't get a sequel. That means that she now has an extended gap of starring in any films. That means that all the personal publicity she did for the film makes her look sad and has people pitying her. That means that other studios are wondering how bad her acting was or if she was difficult to work with.
Basically, it hurts her career badly when it should have just been starting, taking the wind out of the sails from her breakout in In the Heights. It's unironically an actor's worst nightmare.
No actors would want to risk something that bad for their career.
It also means she and every other actor in the movie can't use footage from it in their demo reels, making it harder to find future work.
WB is going to support her though! And other studios should understand what happened. It's not any of their fault!
Nobody wanted to see a black Batgirl. Simple as.
That never stopped them before
How much of the money do they get back with this tax thing ?
Hundreds of millions saved in not having to pay out as taxes.
>WB Discovery when they revised the Batgirl project
how hard is it to cast an actress that looks like Barbara