He's got a point. Why did they change motivation of Angels when it was said the Pilot is canon and there the issue was overpopulation, but here they say how in fact they kill them because "they are afraid of them"? That makes no sense. Because this shit takes place not long after the pilot so what the frick?
Maaaaan, I just wanted a nice story about Sinners becoming better people and managing to earn forgivness and get into Heaven.
Why the frick did Viv throw that optimistic and unique premise away and instead go for 'Le Heaven Bad', something that has been done countless times before?!?!?
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Cope.
zoomers just don't know what good cartoons are
the whole series isn't out yet and 14 reviews isn't a lot.
You really think the score will change at all? Rotten Tomatoes is lousy for TV shows. They watch one episode, form a final conclusion from only that, and don't think about it again until the next season.
I know, people still think the Pilot for Hazbin was good.
One single review could easily lower it by 6.6%, 14 is not a lot. Wait until the show is actually out first before pointing at something like this no one trusts normally in anyways.
Tomatometer posters get the rope.
rotten tomatoes doesn't have any credibility.
Of course viv and her band of shrill harpies will take it as a victory
This homie is really spamming Rotten Tomato scores in EVERY fricking Hazshit Hotel thread yelling cope/seethe/mald.
STFU and play in traffic homosexual.
Be honest, if the rating was rotten, wouldn't YOU be posting it on every thread?
Does RottenTomatoes prevent negative audience reviews from going through sometimes?
Yeah, that’s what I hear too. I feel like the anon who showed the rotten tomatoes score is just latching onto anything without further research to prove a point.
Give it time
You mean where they eventually turn around, forgive all its flaws and say "Three years later its good now guys YAAAAAAAAS" god I hate Gaymer so much, especially steamies.
Anyone else has an issue with commenting? For some reason each I time I refresh my comments keep getting deleted right after I make them.
God I hate this homosexual... but he is right. I'm actually stupefied that Vivi basically dumped the premise that made the pilot explode to make an end of world conflict? What why? WHY?!
Trash ass homie
>SarcasticChorus
Not even Cinemaphile shamelessly plug their youtubers like this, holy shit.
would you prefer arch or vee making the same take ?
unexpected turn of events when a notorious Viv ass-kisser is mostly critical of this.
For propaganda.
>muh satanic propaganda
Go back to the 90's
You can't run away from the truth, anon.
>truth
Yes, religions are all made up.
Like communism and Dawkinism
Everything is made up.
Of matter
It's Marxist propaganda.
>eveything I don't like is Karl Marx
>anyone doing better than someone else is evil
>there are no other moral standards
A real conundrum.
quick homosexual if "god bad angels bad" is such an overused trope give me 10 shows which have done it in the last 10 years
they're all anime
Off the top of my head, I can name six:
Supernatural
The Good Place
Lucifer
Bayonetta (not a show but still)
K6BD
Forgot to add SMT
Wasn't there some cartoon about some girl being the Antichrist that also fits?
horror movies from the 70s like The Omen were a lot edgier.
why can't everything be like heavy metal
Yeah, its this. I know it well because it shows breasts
>haven't seen it, I'll take your word for it
>Not evil, in fact, quite good and comprehensive by what I've seen of the show
>Not evil, just christian god
>Not a show
>not a show
>Shin Megami tensei is also NOT A SHOW
Every archangel in Supernatural is some degree of evil, so it fits
>>Not evil, just christian god
IIRC, Lucifer was the first or second mainstream IP to pull the heaven was evil all along trope with Michael.
It's not his fault you chose such a short timespan. There's not that many shows that address this topic to have the chance to subvert it in the first place. I mean what sort of show could you even make about real heaven? Love of God is the only thing you care about when you're there because it's the best feeling in the universe.
>if a trope is overused today it must mean that it has been a lot of times recently,no?
>ask for recent example
>nah man not like that
A decade is not a lot of time you child. Name me 10 shows in the last decade that have episodes that place in the abyssal zone. Wow, you can't do it, the angler fish must not be an overused example of life down there.
Blue planet
Blue planet 2
Finding Nemo
What do I win?
Nothing because none of those are even from the 2010s and one of them is a movie.
that's a stupid as frick comparition, one is a general concept you claim is overused, the other one is a series about a specific place
I didn't claim anything other than your request being moronic. Heaven isn't really used as a setting a lot in the first place because it's hard to write for, which is exactly why people resort to subverting it whenever you do see people writing about it.
okay then, give me ten show's over all where God and his angels, well, heaven in general are bad
Again, don't care about the discussion, but you've already been given tons of examples by others in this thread.
You've been given a dozen examples in this thread. What's even the point of Charlie trying to get people into heaven if it's just the same thing with a different coat of paint? It makes the entire plot is pointless.
No man, Hazbin Hotel is like the first one to ever do this, it's very original.
In the end I still kinda like the show. But the Angles/God is evil stereotype is extremely grating and overdone. It also leaves a pretty big plot hole that's somehow been ignored.
I kind of wish a Christian made this show instead. It would be way less edgy but damn, just imagine a show where they actually played Heaven straight and pointed out bit by bit why these different characters belong in Hell in the first place. Good intentions don't get you out of there.
and no one would watch it
Ground Hell's morality in the 7 Deadly Sins. It's their 10 commandants. Even Hell has a system of ethics in order to function as a society.
>"You cannot have organized crime without law and order."
Yeah except for the billions of Christians around the world.
It'd would have made character's inflection meaningful. Also creates actual stakes for Charlie, considering she would have had an actual chance at saving someone or even deterring the purge by negotiation. Instead we're given everything is black and white, her attempts are pointless and the true purge stopping is just going to be "war with heaven".
Nah. She just needs to reach the "back door channels".
With how low quality the show's writing has been so far, and with how pointless and unguided Charlie's idea of redemption has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the season finale was a big group of demons all claiming to accept Jesus Christ into their heart just so they can comedically break into Heaven and start fighting.
What the show needs is unironically a SMT schizoid or some other tinfoil religion nut to advise on demonology and angelic hierarchy.
My main issue with the setting is that there are very clear defined rings around the seven deadly and the Book of Goetia is referenced pretty often but there is just nothing on the Angel side.
They could have fallen back and chosen the Satan=/=Lucifer route and have Satan, who in some interpretations works under God and provides obstacles for humans to test their faith.
In this interpretation, he could easily take Adam's role as a wienery butthole who lives to punish sinners and make more sinners under the reasoning of testing them.
The 4 archangels could be the Heaven equivalent of the overlords. Archangel Gabriel, also a woman just like in SMT, could play a foil to Charlie.
And to pander to the drama homosexuals you could have a love triangle between her, Charlie and Vaggie.
Why go though all that effort when Void (Viv approved artist) already has perfectly serviceable Heaven concepts?
>Power
But their true forms should be scary, lol.
https://www.historydefined.net/biblically-accurate-angels-would-actually-be-pretty-scary/
>(Viv approved artist)
cause there's no fricking diversity.
Why the frick they HAVE to look all the same and wear the same shitty outfits.
I'm curious how much genuine research they do into the bible/bible stories to get their framework, Some of it feels like they only peripherally know names and some titles and then just make their OC characters and plomp the names onto them, Also i'm holding out for a Puriel angel being made into the show since that would probably be the only angel where the writers could be given a free pass into making a complete hostile dick.
>I'm curious how much genuine research they do into the bible/bible stories to get their framework
There isn't much to do. The Bible isn't about Heaven/Hell society/politics. Almost all that stuff attributed to the Bible or Christianity is just fanon, and a lot of it is pretty recent.
>god is a tumblr sexyman
you know maybe its a good thing vivzie's not featuring god
If we're going to have dick angels, can we have some truly "out-there" ones that resemble the strange ones described in the Bible?
The plotline in Doom DLC was so fricking weird. But it did give us her.
Imagine angels that look like anime characters.
Nah. That kind of anime character is too normal. I’m talking about things like v-tubers and such since they are complexly designed humanoids.
Just retcon it so the "butthole angels" are the public face of Heaven when dealing with Hell directly. Like how Picard changed whenever he dealt with the Romulans. He went from being pleasant to being brash and ruthless.
To find redemption in Hell, of course. Sometimes Heaven is right in front of you, all along.
Hmmm ... so maybe if Viv was actually a decent writer to resolve the obvious disconnect, she'd do something like have Charlie destroy Roo, redeem everyone, and Hell would be literally transformed into Heaven but better, and then nobody needs to go anywhere?
Nta, but
Preacher
Supernatural
TGP (counts because of good place architects, the closest thing to angels in that setting)
Lucifer
Youjo Senki
FMA
Angel Sanctuary
Good Omens (highly recommend btw, the first good BBC series in a long while)
Nanatsu no Taizai
it is specific. if it was "good guys are really bad/ bad guys are really good", which is really what this only with a sensitive paint job/not-even-hidding-it, depending on how schizo you are.
Wreck it Ralph (had sequel)
Maleficent (had sequel)
arguably Wicked
there was a nurse Rached show
Cruella Deville got a dhow
Good Omens
some of the new star wars shit
countless JRPGs and fanfics.
+ all the things already mentioned plus more i cant think of right this second.
It can't be an "overused trope" if you can't even think of one example per year.
NTA, but Bayonetta has a gorgeously animated movie. It counts. https://youtu.be/sxMLaYgZkEc?feature=shared
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Constantine
Spawn
Too many JRPGs to blame, but Tales Of and SMT are among the most obvious ones.
Bayonetta Is one of my favorites though. Finally someone remembered that Paradiso Is the more powerful verse of The Divine Comedy.
Jap media is cheating
>God is fricking dead and on nerv's basement, angels are just called like that because Anno had a boner for religious imagery
>Constantine is a horrible example, all of the film is him trying to escape hell, the movie ends with him being accepted in heaven despite his crimes, not evil god
>Spawn: God is not god in spawn, the true God is the Man of Miracles
>JRPGs aren't shows
Hazbingay is angry at how unoriginal the show turned out.
yeah sure mate, it's not like I've watched every episode and loved it, sure
>anno had a boner for ultraman, the creator of whom was a christgay**
ftfy.
Spawn was always badass visuals with a nonsense story.
Back in the early days Todd Mcfarlane got really defensive over the slightest criticism of his comic. Recurring theme
While it doesn't feature angels and God, Netflix Castlevania cartoon definitely counts because how much it glorify Dracula.
Dracula ultimately just got mad his girlfriend got a cap popped in her ass and went insane.
Dracula got his happy ending with no strings attached and he doesn't even have to say sorry about all of the child killings.
The Good Place wasn't "God evil, angels evil" it was "God missing, angels no clue what to do, and if you actually got into heaven, you'd be bored to insanity."
But their hell was still hell. The show just took place in an experimental hell banking on imposter syndrome and "hell is other people."
Though, was a fun show regardless.
TGP was actually really great and even had a demon get ascended into being human and if he played his cards right get into heaven.
Neither side in The good place is bad, the joke is angels working in the afterlife is like office work to them.
Is Panty and Stocking the only show that depicts angels are heroines?
Panty and Stocking are anti-heroines at best
But they still depict as angels being ones to get rid of demons and that the lifestyle of angels is more free compared to the strict rules of Hell.
Yeah but they're bawds and hedonists.
Also their boss is a gay priest
The entire anime genre.
DITF was literally a show anti-demons and anti-demons they tried to immediately transform into anti-God and anti-Church once they realized:
>Wait a minute… Why did we write this fleshy Klaxosaur princess call the Virm people “Human wannabes”?
>OH NO! God punked us! I’m so sorry, Satan! I will fix this by getting humanity raptured and at least reference Jesus and Jehovah as two floating heads, completely replacing the narrative that our dark masters is punking mankind by using racism, Genealogy, and twisted doctrines against them at the most influential Catholic/Christian-like sect.
Anime is gross.
>"Give me X examples" bait
have a nice day homosexual
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodIsEvil
>angels bad god good
name five shows
I like the
>Angels are naive
>God is horribly absent and only shows up to brag about minor aspects of creation
From Good Omens.
Not to mention it handled the gay romantic angst better.
Seriously, either Blitzo or Stolas needs to step up and say, "Forget what everyone else thinks," already.
Actual "workers of the world unite" Marxism or "it doesn't conform to my narrow right-wing viewpoint but since I'm a moron who doesn't understand political ideologies I'll lump them all together" fake "Marxism"?
Anon, most of Viv's fanbase like this shit ravenously because they are still living in the 90s or early 2000s and think they were subjected to "religious trauma."
In fairness, the Religious Right has a serious image problem. They act like a bunch of shrieking bigots who want to control a ton of things.
I'm sure Viv and Sam have a lot of religious trauma. But the Visual Arts education probably made it go down easier.
>bigots
stfu, homosexual
You know a lot of modern Christians now call the teachings of JESUS "Liberal talking points"?
Protestants are not Christians, anon.
What would you call them then? Take your pick.
Wait a second, what does bigot actually mean again?
>a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Why is this used as an insult lmao?
Honestly calling someone religious a bigot makes no grammatical sense. If someone is genuinely, truly religious, then it's not going to be unreasonable for them to want to be against certain groups and activities.
Anon all those words describe israelites & LGBTQ+ weirdos too.
The biggest mistake the left ever made was letting the right monopolize religion.
How many layers of irony are you on right now?
Glass onion level.
American right wingers are not christian, in actual religious places, stuff like liberation theology are extremely popular.
>Not Christian
But they tarnish the brand nevertheless by claiming they are.
When will Christianity finally purge the homos and liberals from their ranks
Assuming you're talking about a real denomination, you should read St. John Chrysostom's teachings.
Most scary-looking angels are part of God's Throne, they aren't supposed to interact with mortals.
But it would be cool to see Charlie's reaction to their true forms.
You lost your way the moment you said JESUS's teachings were just "Liberal Talking Points".
>they would quote the Sermon on the Mount, specifically the part that says to “turn the other cheek,” when preaching. Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”
>“What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’” Moore said. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
Nah b***h. Apostle Paul literally blinded magicians and God killed everyone in Sodom.
We will never lose. We will only get more powerful as your darkness grows like a cancer, as God will give us the tools to destroy you.
>Never lose
Of course you can lose. That's your PRIDE talking, along with your WRATH. You are just a man.
I am a man and that’s why I am so powerful under God.
He took Lot out because he was the only righteous man there.
Did Lot ask God to forgive Sodom for the fools knew not what they were doing? A pious man shouldn't think only of himself.
God, Lot, and the angels were all shocked by how Sodom acted.
By the same token, I would have asked God NOT to slaughter all the first-born Egyptian children. The simple threat of that happening should have been sufficient to force Ramses' hand. And I would be completely in line with a simple commandant: "Thou Shalt Not Kill."
The wages of sin is death, anon. Not even God could overturn it. He had to preplan a loophole before he made the entire system.
New Testament overrides Old. Why it's called NEW in the first place. Hence it violates "Thou Shalt Not Kill".
New Testament is a piece of garbage that should be thrown in the furnace.
>TFW Heresy
>New Testament overrides Old
That's actually wrong. The New Testament doesn't replace the Old, at least not fully.
Are you a israelite?
Read Exodus, anon. The Pharaoh had plenty of warning.
>New Testament overrides Old
No. Old testament more or less represents humans struggles with nature (hence god being an unforgiving dickhead). New testament is more about humans potential, but you cant lose sight of the natural world just because you have the potential to ascend higher.
>"Thou Shalt Not Kill"
It's "Thou shalt not murder." There are all sorts of legitimate reasons to kill someone, and "murder" is killing a person without such justification.
What sin did the Egyptian kids commit?
It does raise an interesting question. If I convert the Egyptian kids to Christianity, are they still liable for mass death or did I win them an exception? Or do they die but go to Heaven, while I go to Hell for killing them all?
>If I convert the Egyptian kids to Christianity, are they still liable for mass death or did I win them an exception?
They are. God is no respector of persons.
They had to kill the lamb or die.
The kids are not punished. Their parents are.
>He had to preplan a loophole
Actually an interesting point. In the end God and Humans still win, and in the future event, peoples sins can be looked back at as an example of what happens.
Anon, pharaohs considered themselves to be infallible living gods, that's among the worst sins out there.
Then I would politely attempt to convert them to Christianity, save their souls, die in the process in all likelihood, and probably get a better spot in the line to Heaven for my piety.
All preceding 9 plagues had been a series of escalations that demonstrated Pharaoh would just welch on whatever deal was struck. It took going that far to finally break him, and then he stupidly went back on that promise too. The Ten Commandments specifically apply to God's followers, not to Him, and the pharoah in question was probably not Ramses II.
Anon, I'm fricking begging you to read Genesis, Sodom would be spared if they found even a single righteous person living there.
Correct. God didn't just whack the whole place for funsies.
Well, five righteous ones anyway. Still a very low number.
and?
>What would you call them then?
homosexuals.
you just never met a real christian™ everything else is a globohomosexual psyop
>They act like a bunch of shrieking bigots who want to control a ton of things
Uhhh based alert
I miss when Christianity was about breaking bread and making lots of fish. Now it's an excuse for angry old white guys to yell at things. Rednecks were the last people who should have gotten Christianity.
Would it suit you if it was about angry fat lesbians yelling at imaginary dads?
That's the byproduct of said angry old white people.
God or godless, the result is angry white people ruining things.
Nah, Yakub did not create me by himself. Black sages of old hated Yakub until he broke.
Wether you like it or not, whites are just there along with all the other humans to be used by those who naively (due to mental illness and personality disorders) believe they can be gods.
Can you Yakubpill me?
Yakub got bullied because he was one of the few blacks without a bbc. So he created chaotic warrior evil race called the whites to punish black people.
Afrocentrists are funny.
sounds like an attack on titan fanfic
you forgot the part where gorillas are actually while people and asains are honorary blacks
It's less to do with race, and more to do with a particular mindset. God or godless, if you're an angry, totalitarian c**t, no amount of changing your religion or beliefa will change you being an angry c**t. Angry religious c**t parents will 50/50 producemore angry religous c**t children or angry atheist c**t children.
So white people whining is the ultimate evil but black and brown people's outrageously disproportionate crime rate means nothing? You guys are masters at projection.
Demons are messing with us with race issues since they don’t want you to remember that non-whites in heaven act nothing like the non-whites here.
They have a disproportionate crime rate because of that race in the first place lol. Yeah you didn't set them and their generations up for failure, but powerful people from your group before you actively did.
You see the shit happening in Gaza? Where schools and hospitals are blown up with US tax dollars? That is how you set entire generations of a race behind in the long term
What they say is insignificant compared to Viv's extremely defensive fanbase. She's a major figure now with media deals, she's part of the entertainment industry establishment. the status quo.
>the status quo.
The one that is dying, plus getting ridiculized by anime, videogames, and a 10 million dollar Godzilla movie? Because there's no such a thing as a formidable status quo when it comes to Hollywood and USA's animated industry.
Well, the same could be said about the Atheist Left who after at least 3 decades seems to have a image issue regarding organized criminals, pedophiles (something they share with the right it seems) and authoritarians in a global scale (Davos).
If the right is against authoritarians, it could demonstrate that better by opposing Putin and Viktor Orban.
I agree. But then who opposes american tyranny or the elitists who do believe their fellow men to be just numbers? The Davos man knows that the left wont.
Almost as if the whole Right and Left was meaningless lol.
True. The religious right are the only religious people that exist.
It’s literally le church bad propaganda though.
Wow, Vivziepop wasted a good premise? When did this ever happen before?
In fairness, we haven't seen ALL the Angels yet. There's bound to be a faction that is reasonable (probably keeping backdoor lines of communications).
>There's bound to be a faction that is reasonable
Like them!
Charlie definitely needs an angelic counterpart.
I also want to see Heaven's "Ambassador" to Hell: cool and wise to Hell's lingo. A clinically astute angel, contrasting with Adam's brashness. She's extremely experienced dealing with Hell, tasked with any conversation requiring "tact".
>"He's not going to do it, Miss Morningstar. Adam. Whatever you're trying to gain here, I suggest you pursue alternative channels. THAT is the message I was ordered to give from on high. Say that in public and we'll deny it, of course. But that is the message."
I.e Heaven and Hell should be like Cold War powers that retain "back channels".
Around 80-90% sure that Emily is going to be the first higher ranking angel that supports Charlie's idea. Not sure about Sera, she thinks the exterminations are necessary for the "natural order" but also looks like she's forcing herself to enjoy the sight of the slaughter.
How are they doing that glittery way of filling colors?
You mean gradients?
Yeah but instead of being solid inked in, it's like got a grainy crayon effect. Is that a brush or something? I don't do art, but I am just curious.
If they're using vectors that effect is really hard to keep it's proper resolution between shots.
Cell shading maybe easier to manage when it was on cells, but if you're transferring digital files from one computer to another and someone forgot to click the button to save settings, it won't retain the data from the previous system. It's stupid because you'd think doing everything with math would prevent frick ups, but it doesn't.
But we have seen the ones in Helluva Boss who weren't the bosses and while they aren't complete shit people they aren't what you'd say are a good rep either.
That spin off show was a mistake for this main series.
I swear she’s either an edgy atheist or straight up a satanist.
Anywho I know how you feel man.
worse
she is a coastal state queer
Neither. She is a useful idiot.
I'm pretty sure half the writing team claim religious trauma so...
Average person has lifelong trauma from public school, but these homosexuals act like the fact that their meemaw put a cross on the wall was like being waterboarded every time they walked into the house.
That's why I said 'claim'
You press any of them on it to get them to explain what "religious trauma" they experienced and you will never see a homosexual more quickly sputter into incoherence and dismissal that you're just some right-wing bible thumper who loves it when priests molest children.
This is an issue of her having too much creative control.
Plotlines often shift a lot from pilot to episode 1. Murder Drones is an obvious example - the pilot was setting up a completely different story (a comedic love story of two robots in an ice desert), but they realized the premise didn't work, so when the show started, they drifted away from it.
Hazbin Hotel is the same. The premise shifted from redeeming sinners to a war of Heaven and Hell (because Viv would probably start throwing up maggots if she had to write Heaven in any sort of positive light). At this point, the studio should've stepped in and forced her to rewrite everything accordingly. They didn't, and so she created this mangled mess of a story where the overarching narrative makes zero sense.
Their religious trauma is that their mom forced them to wake up early on Sundays for church. That's mostly it.
but hell is a positive thing in the helluvaverse you fricking stupid ape, you only consume things but never try to think about it, but if you used at least 1% of that gray matter you could figure it out why what you said is stupid
>but hell is a positive thing in the helluvaverse
So?
heaven*
is it though? The character are certainly lead to believe that but is it true?
looking at the leaks, yeah, it's true, the only bad things are the exterminators and they are only buttholes to demons
They are most likely going to be going through the
>Wait, but if Heaven Le Bad then *gasp* Hell le good?
character arc.
Is this confirmed as a real leak?
Those are part of the sheets leaks from 2 years ago, yes they are real
I think so, it leaked some months ago but if you search for it you can find it, anyways, thoughts?
>It will be, “Sera is going to get kicked out of heaven instead of Adam and Lute.” Twist.
>Plotlines often shift a lot from pilot to episode 1.
This shit is what ruined that first Thundercats reboot.
>1. Murder Drones is an obvious example - the pilot was setting up a completely different story (a comedic love story of two robots in an ice desert), but they realized the premise didn't work, so when the show started, they drifted away from it.
This actually isn't true, Murder Drones was always going to have a deeper plot, it's just that the creator decided that after the Pilot he wanted to bring the eldritch mystery story to the forefront instead of having it be more of a looming, background focus while the show is mostly the characters going about their various escapades in the world like a more episodic show.
Liam Vickers himself said he decided to move the focus away from being more SOL, and get straight into the TRUE mystery premise by the second episode. The premise itself didn't change. that's what the show was always going to be about. You can see this for yourself in somewhat hidden clues in the Pilot, that refer to big plotlines much later on in the show.
It's not really at all comparable to the situation of Hazbin Hotel. Murder Drones is an example of the creator deciding to cut the filler content out and get straight into the meat of the story. Hazbin Hotel, and Helluva Boss for that matter, are examples of the creator shifting the show away from the actual premise they originally envisioned back when they made the respective Pilot episodes - thus in the actual shows the Pilots make absolutely make no sense and look completely disjointed like it's from a completely different show.
>the studio should've stepped in
so, uh, now you gays wants the gobbmint daddy to step in and change your cartoons?
Sometimes you need someone to step in and wrangle a project back on track. It doesn't work all the time, but there are times where having someone from the outside step in and go, "Look this isn't working." Is for the best. For example, Disney with Kingdom of the Sun.
>For example, Disney with Kingdom of the Sun.
huh, based Disney, praise the mouse
>be told your whole life that god is real and good
>realizes most of the world is an abomination
NoOoOoOo, don't you understand, my mom forcing me to go to church on sunday was literally torture brainwashing abuse!
Yes.
This is why no one cares about 66% of you growing up to be single.
how much were they even "forced" to interact with the religion when they don't even know Saint Michael was a thing?
QRD?
Is it because they made adam the emissary of hell instead of michael who is the go to guy to purge demons and punch satan in the balls?
hazbin writing team
>we are attacking religion
religios people
>these people are attacking religion
hazbin writing team
>REEEEEEE
>Adam is some chauvinistic pig dudebro that constantly swears in unfunny milennial written rants
>Becomes an angel acting as sadistic as any demon
Intelligent. Thought provoking. Powerful. Sleep inducing. Incredible. Genre defining. Ground breaking.
Don't know if it's either. Might just be
>fat
>wealthy
>lived in New York and Cali
>millennial humor
>far left
athetism is destroying western civilization! repent
Japan is 57% athiest
contributing to the downfall of western civilization one e-girl at a time
Oh trust me anon, those koreans are coming over
and they'll convert them some how
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Good thing I'm not an "athetist."
Worse she’s a fujo
I think its what
said. Someone at the studio (who is a humanity hating satanist) probably forced these changes so heaven comes off ad the bad guys. In the pilot it makes sense that hell (a place for punishing sinners) isnt limitless and so periodically they all just kill each other. Having it be something coming down from heaven is so completely different i find it hard to buy Viv wanted it that way.
Have you watched HB? Viv's heaven was always evil.
ive watched some (maybe most) of horrible boss but i dont remember seeing much about angels/heaven. Certainly not as overtly as this.
They show off that angels are awful people on like episode 3, both reveling in being evil and in backstabbing each other.
Why does it matter to you? Everyone who works in LA or Hollywood is a Satanist. I think that's why they greenlit this weird internet cartoon to begin with. It's practically demon propaganda.
They don't need a cartoon or Hollywood to make people hate Christians. Right wing Christians do that just fine when they act cruel to others.
Worse, she’s a c**t who takes on the role of a boogeyman and thinks that makes for good representation. She then wonders why people dislike her for being outright antagonistic to entire demographics of people that aren’t like her.
>THAT IS OUR FICTIONAL DAMNATION!
You want a fricking essay? She likes Hell as a setting. Simple as. If someone's offended by that, they need a hobby
Yeah you don’t get what’s being said moron. She wants to simultaneously be a victim but also takes on the role of the villain. It’s stupid.
you're clearly reading into shit. She's just spitting facts.
>Hell holds no special meaning for her AND the imagery used to terrify centuries of people is now being used to tell lgbt stories
>She's just spitting facts.
Black person, you're stupid. Her take is bad, and your argument is moronic.
>Durr durr she likes (X) as a setting but doesn't actually want to use what makes (X) (X) so you can't complain!
Okay Black person how about you get in a car only instead of having a body and wheels it's a noose tied to a tree. You can't complain because that's my take on a car and I like cars as a plot element!
Frickin' moron.
>people dislike her for being outright antagonistic to entire demographics of people that aren’t like her.
He said as he calls other morons
>gays reclaiming Hell
What the hecky?
Maybe the real Hell was the sinners they're stuck with along the way.
She's just low iq. She clearly doesn't have a very deep understanding of anything involved, she's just playing with symbolic toys.
Satanic propaganda mostly.
The demon worshippers are growing desperate. Time is running out, they need to make sure humanity is naive enough to fall into their plan, but they are proving too resilient.
Tick tock.
Honestly? With Christian whackos like so many we got, we don't need devil worshippers to ruin everything. They can literally sit back and watch us destroy ourselves.
Christians arent any worse than muslims or buddhists or any other fanatical worshipper. But curious you only focus on christians.
Are you traumatized because of your family?
My point is, it's easier to worry about external opponents than internal ones.
>traumatized because of your family
pretty much this is reason of the 80% of atheists
christian parents being the biggest disseminators of atheism a real brain turner
>shitty parents being the biggest disseminators of atheism
FTFY. thank God my parents were based
No, christians are just pussies who take it up the ass, a muslim or israelite will destroy you if you attack their faith
So you could say that Christians are more fit to build a good civilazation because of adderance to fraternity. Overall, it seems that westeners are just better and partially because of Christianity.
Unfortunately we seem to be using Christianity as an excuse to indulge in our worst impulses against our fellow man. We wield the bible like an angry kid who found his dad's gun.
If we don’t use the Bible, the Bible will kill us. We obey or we die like King Saul.
Did you read every post that anon made you dumb christschizo?
Back to your tunnel.
Kys christcuck
Someone is mad.
Relax anon.
>die
>what
>relax 🙂
homosexual
Someone got his nerves touched.
No one has to die.
No need to be so crass.
Relax, anon.
Let's hear about the Talmud and Islam. Come on.
So is the Starfleet in Star Trek and it has a non-interference policy because of it. Plus it's not God who raises prices, lets criminals walk free and imposes laws that frick our societies.
I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as he’s making it out. The issue is still with the population. We had just assumed that “overpopulation” had meant they couldn’t physically fit in the space. But it turns out Heaven just decided “we won’t allow your population to get bigger because we said so (because we want you weak).” Functionally this doesn’t have to change anything. The hell people still can’t do shit about it, so they don’t care about the reason. And Charlie still thinks redemption is a way out because she still has misplaced faith that Heaven will allow sinners to switch teams. With or without the “rise against” line she still looks just as naive, because Adam and everyone else still tells her “no it just plain doesn’t work like that.”
Wait why does he have acces to 5 episodes?
Helluva Boss
>Pilot: If you want somebody gone and you don't wanna wait too long, call the Immediate Murder Professionals!
>Show: relationship drama, and also IMP is there
Hazbin Hotel
>Pilot: I'm opening the first of its kind, a hotel that rehabilitates sinners!
>Show: war against Heaven, and also the hotel is there
Every hazbin/helluvah thread should open with this post. God damn they're fricking disappointing
Somebody post the helluva copypasta
thx
Hazbin did worse by destroying its premise one ep in. So they aren't doing exterminations for overpopulation anymore, they're doing it so "Hell can't rise up in power"? OK, Viv.
Season 1 thus far has no episodic redemption, no gradual introduction of the characters and why they're important (she's speeding through every character arc).
I'm not watching your YT vid, buy an ad.
How the frick can Hell even rise up if the angels basically put ankle bracelets on every single sinner that activates the instant they leave the Pride Ring?
Is that how it works?
>angels basically put ankle bracelets on every single sinner that activates the instant they leave the Pride Ring?
Elaborate? I haven't checked any supplementary material for HB/HH (or even know what to look for)
He took that idea from the Niffty thread and is pretending it's canon. No one knows but it is indeed a blatant plot hole in this version of Hell.
>Rather than some omnipotent sky israelite, humans were made by assinine energy beings
So that solves the problem of evil, angels are fricked in the head and so will be their creations.
Why did it have to be Abrahamic cosmology? She could have made it about anything, and she specifically chose something that brings schizos out in droves
Whatever. I want to see Heaven's ambassador to Hell.
I'll give you a rundown.
> Buddhist cosmology
"Why is Viv basing the entire show on 'killing God' from Weeb games? Also, why is the main character so dead-set against karma? And why are the Dalai Lama fanboys angry af?"
> Jain cosmology
"Viv is an edgy tryhard, who the Hell animates a pro-violence and pro-crurlty cartoon otherwise?!"
> Hindu Cosmology
"Oh God, Viv has been assaulted by angry Indians for depicting Brahama as an butthole and Ganesh as a profiteer over the reincarnations into dalits."
> Greek Cosmology
"Vivzoe is ripping off God of War!"
> Roman Cosmology
"Viv is ripping off God of War, but there's a god of dung and all the gods have Latin names."
> Vodun Cosmology
"Viv is racist, stop making fun of what ex-slaves believed!" (Also, not a religion that's easy to research)
> Mishmash Native American Cosmology
"Prime schizo bait for skinwalker and wendigo believers, I'm glad she got cancelled on Twitter for implying those are just soft misunderstood boys."
This.
On the internet religion is just something you pretend to follow so you can get victim points. But White right-wingers especially, they are desperate for victim points because they are not black or gay.
you would think that the inventors of the victim olympics would've put religion at the very top instead of race and sexuality
In general she'd be blasted off of twitter more than she was for "cultural appropriation"
She probably found out sinners already get redeemed in Hell in real life and lost her creativity.
Because cartoons are for children. Sorry, I do enjoy them, but they're for kids anon. You don't get much nuance out of cartoons. And gays can disagree but they are never able to prove me wrong.
Nothing about animated medium has to be for kids that's just the historical trend. It's been that way because animation is hard so making animation for kids is the easiest option.
Watched some clips and I don't get how anyone can subject themselves to this let alone spend 50k to have MC seduce you.
An actually subversive Bible-themed cartoon would be a demon attending Church and finding their place in a small and welcoming community.
if nothing else OP I'm glad you made this thread before I decided to watch the episodes because you just saved me hours of time.
Well, I'm just glad you didn't spoil yourself by watching Helluva Boss because you clearly had well-intended hope of this actually working out from a logical and coherent standpoint.
Frick, I've been looking everywhere for this and the Paul Blart edit of Viv being a fujo
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Fulfill your civic duty, Cinemaphilemrades.
So why didn't you become janny after all those times they were giving out those applications at the top of the web pages, huh, HUH?
also I guess you were wrong, you little b***h!
I don't really know what thread to stick this in, so I will put it here
This was me
. Just finished watching the four episodes and the pilot. I get what people have said, about this show not being great or bad, but just good. It has its moments, but also falls flat. Some thoughts:
-I thought the pilot overall had much more lively and expressive animation. The show has its moments of good animation, but there are times where its very poor (Charlie leg kick by the door.gpf).
-Charlie and Vaggie looked better in the pilot. I thought Charlies original VA was fine, singing felt fine. Vaggies new VA is awful, and her singing voice is so different from her talking voice.
-Angel Dust lost some of his sassyness from the pilot. Talks slower in the show, has a New Jersey accent (I think thats it). That said the new voice grew on me over time.
-I liked Alastor's voice more in the pilot, mainly because there was more radio modulation to it. I like that gimmick. It's clear that Alastor is the first character created, some of the later ones lack creativity. I think I liked his red teeth better.
-Katie Killjoy had an okay voice in the pilot, sounds awful now. Don't really know why is came so hard down on Charlie, its like she was only a plot device in the pilot so Charlie could rant her hotel idea.
-Sir Pentious, I really like design. How that part of him keeps flaring up. I like the sss on the s words.
-I'm not really into musicals, so this show is at odds with me from the start. But man, some of the songs feel so forced. The first one in the first episode, caught me so off guard I was like wtf why, you don't need to sing this point. Often times I find it grading. Like the arms dealer we just met you WHY are you singing now. That being said, I really liked the songs in the 4th episode Poison is catchy with good animation and the Angel/Husk duet is also really well done.
CONT...
-I'm torn on the swearing. It's so bizarre to see a show like this styled in how its styled drop so many uncensored f bombs and not be some ultra grim dark show looking series. A few good carefully placed curses can really spice up a line or scene, but too many at once and its just like...it was written by en edgey teenager. The show overdoes the swearing at times there are clumps where its just too much. Was actually surprised to see c**t used.
-Charlie is supposed to be the main character but is overshadowed by everyone else. She is so meek and timid like she is the devils daughter but acts so ditzy and shit. I find her annoying at times. And the one time she has some balls in episode four she gets shot down by Angel Dust. I also don't get why Vaggie got all sad and needed her own song. I barely know this character and I felt nothing when she sang.
-The musical number for Vox was dumb and would have made more sense had him and Alastor met first and then broke into song but Vox starts singing and Alastor just kinda knows hes there suddenly and chimes in.
-Sir Pentious lets go of the eggs why the frick did Vaggie see the need that Alastor destroy then couldnt they just leave the hotel? That really threw me for a loop.
-Could barely understand Zestial.
-Angel Dust ignored Valentino for the entire show until episode four. Why suddenly in episode four he goes into work? Valentino was pissed before he wasn't showing up, but yet wouldnt chase after him.
-Before episode 4, I found it hard to like any of the characters besides Sir Pentious because everyone felt like an unlikable butthole. Reminded me of the BBC puppet show Mongrels. Episode four was the first time I actually felt some tension of the situation with Angel Dust and I really liked him falling apart and shedding for a moment is fake exterior. And as stated before that episode had the best songs.
So yeah those are some thoughts.
Of course she's meek and ditsy. She's not in DEMON FORM yet.
>She is so meek and timid like she is the devils daughter but acts so ditzy and shit. I find her annoying at times
The creator grew up brainwashed by Disney, so it suffers the heroine problem that their movies have since Tangled.
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>vaggie's new VA is awful
she's really not, they just decided to have stephanie Beatriz just use her Rosa Diaz voice rather than, say, Mirabel. This also results in her singing voice be fricking INCREDIBLY jarring because she's artificially deepening her voice for Vaggie.
>episode 4 was the first good episode
agreed hardcore. The actual animation and payoff for Poison was way better in the show, and his duet with husk was FANTASTIC. Easily top 3 for the HH series songs for me.
I'm also going to add that recasting husk as Keith David was so, SO fricking distracting. I like Keith david, man's voice is pure sex...but jesus christ, he just has the one voice, and it's distracting as FRICK hearing it come out of a cat bird.
>The actual animation and payoff for Poison was way better in the show
Poison was the first time where I did not feel a musical number was forced and fricking up the pacing, and groaning the second it started.
>and his duet with husk was FANTASTIC.
I'll admit I did groan the second Husk started singing because I was like "we just did this! we just had a musical number"! But I liked Angel getting annoyed by his shots and was quickly won over by the duet aspect of it.
Episode 4 was weakened by Charlie being a moron, Angel not suffering enough, the weak singing chops of his new VA ESPECIALLY compared to Keith David. Which again, is such a bizarre choice.
Then the song to 'cheer up AD' was just Husk saying "Lol I was an overlord gambling addict and we both fricking suck, just accept you're a used up prostitute"
There is zero chemistry, just Husk telling AD he's annoying and AD getting pissy. This is some setup for a romantic ship? Please.
Poison made AD's trauma (he's only defining trait besides being a prostitute/junkie) sexy. We're expected to believe Valentino rapes the shit out of him, yet when AD is seen with Val he seems estastic about having sex with him.
I can't help but feel this show is just jingling car keys but with adults. "Hey look at these character designs, look at the animation but don't think OH GOD, please don't you DARE think about this shwo for a second! WEEE it's a furry!! Look a spoopy sharp teeth demon #39434282372347239823!"
>made the trauma sexy
you literally see him getting raped in the background. you're supposed to see the veneer of sex masking the trauma. He is EXPLICITLY clear, as in he TELLS husk, that he's making a front so that once he eventually breaks, valentino will leave him alone.
You mean the background where he's dancing? Where he's put in the BDSM gear?
Do you mean the gangbang? Or the time he's with the bawds at the club? He dances with Valentino both with him and on a strip pole, performs for porn, goes to the club then he runs to Val and is all ahegao happy when Val is fricking him.
>she's artificially deepening her voice for Vaggie
Yeah I noticed that too but she is really good cuz she really brings that intense but protective energy to her voice.
>Episode 4 was weakened by Charlie being a moron
That was the best part. Of course Charlie would frick up a porn shoot. It was tense and adorable
have you seen brooklyn 99?
She's Rosa Diaz. Uses the exact same voice.
her normal voice is much closer to her singing voice.
This anon here. Just discovered the Addicted music video. This is an odd piece of media - the show wasn't even out yet and yet this promotional piece exists just for the pilot. What's the deal, did some fan right the lyrics and music and they got the character actors to sing it?
I will say after hearing his singing voice I think I kinda prefer the singing voice of Angel Dusts new voice actor. Though it was hard to hear, god awful autotune hate that shit. I also forgot he had a pet pig.
I completely forgot about Cherri Bomb, did this character gets axed from the show entirely? Her voice actor could actually sing.
Animation was alright.
Song is EDM shit that's not my thing at all.
I then watched that farewell video from the pilot cast. That was a weird one. No animation just propped up characters singing. No idea why they used Charlies new design, and why no Vaggie?
No one in the comments shit talking Viv so I'm wondering how much it was her choice was more so might have been a push by Amazon to get better VAs. Husks is def an improvement.
I think Addict was done to just draw more attention to the franchise, since if HH didn't get picked up it'd probably live on through supplementary material.
>I will say after hearing his singing voice I think I kinda prefer the singing voice of Angel Dusts new voice actor.
Same. IMO Roman Blake really showed he earned the part when Val was beating the shit out of Angel, he did a great job conveying just how terrifying it'd be.
>I completely forgot about Cherri Bomb, did this character gets axed from the show entirely?
She was cast but she won't show up until some point after episode 5, and we don't know if she's still Angel's friend or what.
Alastor lost his Trans-Atlantic accent, which is by far the most lame part. The radio filter being too strong would have got irritating after a while imo.
While you might be right about the radio filter, I didn't know that a Trans-Atlantic accent was a thing until now, and you are right about that if fit the character better.
almost every show gets into world building way too quick
the angels and overlords were brought out way too quick
It's necessary when the majority of viewers have the attention span of a goldfish
Literally fricking who.
This is a shill thread isn't it?
The pilot is not canon anymore
>'Le Heaven Bad'
The show is very on the nose about it too. It's like they couldn't be assed to make something more nuanced and literally sang about how everything is black and white.
It makes Charlies attempt to get people into heaven almost pointless, if both systems are corrupt then why bother?
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>when Cinemaphile can come up with better ideas
Kinda sad really. I guess most artists should incorporate a hired story writer.
>skeletor looking deadass good
The writing between this and Hellluva Boss has become so tiresome.
Its literally nothing but swears and sex jokes. Worst of all, its written like a 8th grader who's trying to write his own story for the first time. "Hey, Charlie! I'm Adam, b***h! You're just a stupid fricking demon shit, and fricking way better than you. My wiener is huge!"
South Park of all shows does a better job weaving in obscenities and actual 30 min plots.
The music is alright I guess.
Jesus Christ I like the guys vids but he forgot one crucial thing Overpopulation and raising an army are 2 sides of the same coin seen by the angels (the point of view charlie was narrating from btw I personally think she was steelmanning the angels position because she has that "pure" good faith personality in her) as an invasion force and seen from hells point of view as a existential problem, but hey a line from another point of view just to make a 10:07 video for content even though it's a literal nothing burger must be worth it for $100 right ?
I am so fricking sick of cartoon promo art that features the open mouth smile. It's such an unnatural face expression, do this IRL people would think you are insane. Would it have killed them to use a few different face expressions for this poster?
imagines Charlie with the dreamworks face
>do this IRL people would think you are insane
please tell this to the people making youtube thumbnails
Its awful what people do with their Youtube thumbs.
Tell THEM, anon. We already know it.
I have friends that do brief bouts of open mouth smiling, and the only reason why I started to notice is because one of them looks really cute when they do it. It’s a natural expression, it just doesn’t look good in still photographs.
Alastor and his beautiful wife.
One issue I have with hazbin aside from "heaven le bad" is that there was so much potential to explore other aspects of the bible, christianity, and other closely related texts that other shows just don't do, or do crappy subversions of them, like the actual reason lucifer is in hell plus the fight that will happen between him and archangel michael, the idea of repentance, cain and abel, and lot more. How would the fight between michael and lucifer affect Charlie's goal? Do figures like Cain, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, or the pharisees have any influence? Will Charlie explore the idea of repentance and what it truly means? Then there's stuff like the other demons in the Ars Goetia that would be interesting to explore, like Marquis Marchosias, who hopes to return to heaven one day. The idea of having a demon, especially one that would be of high status, possibly show some regret for their actions is something that fits Charlie's goal perfectly, but no, we just get heckin evil angels and a woobified lucifer.
I think if hazbin explored aspects like that more, the show would be much more interesting, and maybe give it some nuance that current setup doesn't have, but that's just wishful thinking. It's pretty obvious that at the end of day, the heaven and hell setting is just a dollhouse for viv to play yaoi melodrama with her OCs. If you swapped heaven and hell for a generic fantasy setting or even the modern world, not much would change. Maybe it's for the better she didn't touch on those other parts.
This show feels like some DA autists creations brought to life.
On one hand its not a remake or a reboot and originality is something we direly need in todays animation since.
And yet I cant shake the weird cringe of all this. All the characters are over designed and look the same. They are all some form of gay or bi. They are swear like they are edgy teenagers. The whole premise sounds like some high schoolers romp in the arts. Its an indie turned "professional" series but it cant shake its amateurishness.
Lucifer:
>You don't take shit from other demons!
>gets shit on by Alastor
Was he rewritten or something? He just seems... pathetic , not at all what Prince of Pride entails
I'm only on episode 2 but isn't Lucy just a broken person without his wife? It seemed like she was the one who ran shit while he just stopped giving a frick.
Also, can sinners kill sinners? I thought they couldn't and that was the whole point of the pilot.
>Why the frick did Viv throw that optimistic and unique premise away and instead go for 'Le Heaven Bad', something that has been done countless times before?!?!?
You can't sell your soul without doing the devil a couple favors.
How is every voice actor a noticeable downgrade and but Husk is such an upgrade it almost makes up for it?
Because Keith David is cool, and a great foil to Angel Dust.
The voice actor is actually the best in show. The biggest issue is it honestly doesn't really fit the character based on looks. He should have been a massive muscle bound hunk, not some manlet sparkle furry.
So will he flipiflop back to sucking Viv's dick and shill her again?
Well, religions inherently prevent their followers from actually making entertainment that's actually appealing, thus leading the atheists to dominate.
So the religious can only censor because it's the only option they have that allows them to remain pious. Remember, they think entertainment in general is sinful.
If a religious man cannot be religious in the presence of something sinful, he isn't much of a religious person, lol. Faith untested isn't much of a faith.
It's why I like to ask about the Egyptian kids for example. I want to challenge my own beliefs.
>It's why I like to ask about the Egyptian kids for example
Because the Pharaoh ordered that every newborn Israelite male was to be thrown in the Nile, a violation of Abraham's covenant.
The pharaoh was also warned by God of what would happen if he kept this up, but he refused.
So nuke Pharoah. Kid ruler (next in line) is easier to persuade.
Ozymandias had like 100 children, Egypt would become Sengoku Japan*1000
heaven doesn't even want the sinners, so the hotel is pointless!
also, revealing to us early on that the angels are killing for fun would have been amazing to hold onto that tidbit later. they blew their story load too early!
That's according to ADAM and that other Angel. We've only seen two.
Shouldn't have started it off with that monologue and their meeting. Seriously it makes her look so fricking moronic and not pretending or being optimistic. Like all of his words are going in one ear and no the other, like her brain cells can't let her process words. Adam doesn't mince words or lie, he straight up tells her exactly what the beginning said. Her whole plan is pointless, heaven couldn't care less about anyone wanting to be better people, she is striving to get people up a place that is most likely shit like down here and everything they say is a lie and they just love killing sinners.
Instead of the show then using this as a spring board to instead of a meal ticket to heaven and instead self improvement as just wanting to be in a better place with the cards you are delt with... no she still tells everyone nope, you try to be good, greatness above awaits. Is she pretending? Is she gaslighting everyone for fun?
well she is the daughter of lucifer and it'd be hilarious if she turned out to be an butthole but meh people would erupt in fury over that
>Is she gaslighting everyone for fun?
Thats toxic positivity for you.
Also, one wonders if there have been all these purges, arent people prepared? Like a fallout shelter of sorts?
why the frick are radio and tv demons battling it out like TV took over recently? is it the 1980s? internet trumps all! tv is such an old medium what a dumb premise.
Be fun if we got to see another radio-themed demon who had no problem with TV.
Because there are no Skibiddi toilets.
They’re both old guys that reflect the eras they are from.
Also there could be a little technology gap between Earth and Hell because most people die when they’re elderly.
>Tech gap
I imagine suicidal-death sinners are way more tech-savvy than natural-cause sinners. GENERATION GAP!!!!
Hell has hell-instagram and hell-twitter, cellphones and the internet are relevant enough, the characters have non-flip phones.
It takes tike for powerful entity embodying demons to form. Internet isn't at that point.
Wait weren't they trying to redeem sinners so they could go to heaven? That would just make heaven stronger
I don't see why it would be hard to just retcon the pilot or say it isn't canon.
Why go back on your original premise that hooked viewers in the first place? Sounds like false advertising.
What was up with Vaggie throwing Angel and the others into danger, wtf was exactly happening there? Just threw them into a war zone? I dont recal her being this way in the pilot.
Frick this shows writing is terrible.
I know right, seems so out of character for Vaggie and braindead too
In viv's universe
>Heaven is shit and filled with murdering tyrants
>Earth is shit and filled with selfish morons
>Hell is shit and filled with selfish gay moronic murdering tyrants
>Being erased from existence is supposed to be a bad thing but the alternative is being ruled by filth for all of eternity
You're supposed to kneel to YAKUB
that's what happens when you cant decide if hell is supposed to be a place of torment or a paradise for edgy gays
Lots of good ideas, not very good execution.
I mean shes had these ideas since high school shes 31.
Lots of time to iron things out. Dont know how much was changed with Amazon, but yeesh, it could have been better.
>Sir Pentious gets accepted into the hotel
>First thing next episode orders weapons because he doesnt trust anyone
Did anyone else think that was stupidly out of character?
Difference between the Canadian French and France French dub?
The money it must have cost to dub this in so many languages, and its a musical no less.
>eggs reveals something
>snake guy sleeps and it doesnt end with him going wtf
Did Angel just pull guns out of nowhere in ep 4 when attacking the sharks?
Does anyone suspect that Adam is the saddest character in the show that’s merely referring to a past of loveless sex and loneliness when he talks about his sex love to Charlie?
Lucifer and Lilith try to make themselves look good while Adam makes himself look bad and finds satisfaction in finally ending the lives of his own wicked children.
Adam is very mistreated in all expresions of Abrahamic faith. But since he was first man, its ok to abuse him and missrepresent him. Precisely because he is man, he is an acceptable traget.
Because we all asume they can take it.
Nah. They done the same things to Eve too.
Yes, because she is misjudged into being a "submissive" model of a woman inferior to Lilith with no agency despite her agency being precisely what kickstarts the abrahamic myth. Which is ironic as hell, since women are the ones who hate her and praise Lilith (who by all means is the mother of rapist, that is also ironic).
And No, because Eve is a victim of the snake, a victim of Adam's "oppression", a constant victim of Adam naivete or such. Adam is the source of all her troubles and all women and weak men most hate him no matter what, because of the patriarchy or some shit justifies your hatred.
While Adam himself is all the bad shit that exists despite him being no different from a child durong genesis.
israelite anon here. A lot of Christians don't understand the actual nuance to Adam and Eve.
>Eve is submissive to Adam, but this isn't a bad thing because although Eve is not Adam's equal, she is never subjugated nor is she exploited
>Adam LOVES Eve, enough that he named her out of his passion for her
>Adam and Eve as a union parallel the positives of marriage as well as becoming closer to God via sex (becoming like Adam Kadmon)
>Eve's creation occurred second so Adam would sense the need for her and not complain of her existence should they be made at the same time
>Eve/a wife is the one who gives a reason to keep living
>Eve's mistake is not born out of a character flaw or her gender, but simply being human
>when Adam shifts the blame to Eve, God calls him out on it
Jews and Christians generally don’t understand every detail of the stories from God/Jesus. And that’s normal.
Like Isaiah 53 (the tragic story of Christ)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+53%3A7-9&version=KJV
There’s been quite a revelations signs coming up. The white horse was Covid-19, we are in the red horseman stage, the black horseman is not yet here, and the green horseman (the Anti-Christ) has not arisen to power. There’s been some israelites that came back from the dead (who haven’t met Christ yet, but have received messages from angels and the God the father) to deliver a message about meeting the real messiah in tribulations, tbe 70th week of Daniel. Although, j should mention that many secular israelites have encountered Jesus before and a famous rabbi who died in the 2000s have met him and proclaimed him to be Jesus (Yehsura specifically in spelling) in his post-death letter.
Things have been ramping up really quickly with Abraham’s unchosen tribes (muslims) alps having unexpected encounters with Christ. So, I’ve been drowning myself into the text and seeking its power to save as many as I can before the time limit.
Speaking as a man who has seen and witnessed many supernatural things, the creatures, demons, and Fallen angels are very boring. But the (seemingly non-human) creatures who are children of Eve do need to be prayed for, as strange as it seems, as Nephilim (gen 6) and beings such as the bizarre Dogman/Reptialians are composed of soul, spirit, and body. We simply are privileged to not be born as outsiders of our original kind. To be more easily gaslighted by fallen angels who take on our form and charming “normals” who enchant us with their words and false acceptances. Cause it is not a war against flesh and blood.
What makes your flesh and blood so special and despised by Lucifer is this. You are the key to bring the israeli messiah, Jesus Christ, to the earth in this generation. I’m not.
hey real question; was lilth in the original scripts and then taken out? or was that a christian rewrite attempt? OR was it even a failed rewrite attempt? I know she's like... a bit of a larp, the way Dante's inferno is.
>Adam is very mistreated
He knew what he was doing. There's a reason the original sin is also called Adam's sin.
Not really. A dont blame children for the stupid shit they do. Most importantly, Adam's blood ends up saving everyone in the end.
Adam gets more shit because he was already in a naturally perfect state so he genuinely made the effort to want to be free from God's parental rule when he took that "powerful" apple from Eve. And then he realized he fricked up hard when his state of being changed and then scrambled afterwards by blaming everything on Eve.
It’s kinda funny how you can look at Cain and realize he’s literally the first canonical yandere in existence. Because of sin, Adam and Eve corrupted the love of the first natural born human. And, have sinners that seek said human to kill him for said love for God.
If Adam and Eve sinned later, Cain wouldn’t be among them.
>But because he's a mAN
you sound like a little pissbaby lmao
Someone 15 years from now is going to site HH and HB as their inspiration. What the frick will it spawn?
It's already horrible millennial humor and writing.
>its about hell being overpopulated
>its about hell getting too powerful
both can work
> they say how in fact they kill them because "they are afraid of them"?
The reveal that the solution of killing sinners for sport is the one they chose is way worse than the idea that they simply fear potential uprising.
If it was done out of cruel pragmatism than Charlie could at least have the naive hope of changing their minds that it isn't necessary as long as she can fully redeem a sinner. But if the angels are just going out of their way to kill demons because it's fun than potential redemption doesn't matter in the slightest because the angels are portrayed as just as bad if not worse than the people of Hell. There's no convincing them if their entire motive of chopping their time frame in half if because they're bored and want to kill more souls.
did you ever consider that charlie's picture book...was a lie?
Do you really think they're going to go for the whole 'demons dindu nuffin', when the pride ring, which is where all the sinners live, is so fricking horrible?
We've seen other angels in helluva boss(the CHERUB squad and their bosses), and they were clearly far, FAR different from the extermination angels.
Yeah it's presumably Liliths personal point of view on everything (I dunno the way the book goes out of it's way to hype her kinda makes it feel like she wrote it).
Media millennials consumed vs. media millennials produced
I feel like convo is dead a mere 48 hours after release. Its not like old watchbacks threads when shit was released weekly. eps drop in batches they are consumed and then you just wait.
we predicted that the rape scene was a nothing burger and most people are not offended about it as the haters wanted people to be.
If the show PEAKED at the Rape episode, that's not going to fair well as the series goes forward. How many episodes are we gonna get to keep the series relevant?
Christian mythology sucks.
Why do people believe this shit is real?
Are they stupid?
It’s real, so you have no choice.
On the other hand, you might get an angel girl.
Somebody post the story leaks and character bible pages from months ago.
Sorry if this a stupid question
I just saw the music video where the angels tell Charlie sinners can't be redeemed. Doesn't that screw over the shows premise?
Charlie is basically full on coping and tells Vaggie when she asks her what the Angels thought of her idea 'Oh yeah, fine fine.' and is basically hoping she can come up with something or convince the Angels to change their mind by fighting back against the 6-month away extermination. She's probably hoping she can reform Pentious, Angel, Husk etc so she can 'show her work' by the time the extermination comes around and talk-no-jutsu them out of killing everyone.
I'm guessing that everyone finding out that Charlie was told her plan was a non-starter on day-1 will be used as a 'Come on guys! Let's go! This b***h lied to us!' moment, with everyone splitting up.
>I just wanted a nice story about Sinners becoming better people and managing to earn forgivness and get into Heaven.
Isn't that just purgatory?
I feel like most of the people complaining are the modern day equivalent of old men screaming about rock n roll. They have no idea what any of this culture or art is about. Than when they find out they turn full socialist and say," Well you should be using your resources to make what I want instead. It's the morally correct thing you know!"
I'll be honest, The entire sequence in Episode 4 of Angel freaking out when he see's Charlie in the sex dungeon and trying to hurry her out of there, Val mauling Angel in the backroom and then Angel screaming at Charlie for trying to intervene was probably the 'best' sequence out of the first 4 episodes. Only slightly being dampened by the Spider-Porn softcore HMV that followed it in order to meet the 'Musical' quota.
It actually hit everything you need to build tension in a scene like that, Which are the two pillars of 'The Inevitable' and 'The Unknown', It feeds the audience knowledge of 'The Inevitable' because the second you see Charlie enter the Sex-Dungeon [assuming you are a participant in the fandom or have basic pre-knowledge of these characters] you essentially KNOW that this will now end with Valentino mauling Angel Dust the moment Charlie is out of the room [if even], With 'The Unknown' of the situation being what the 'severity' of this mauling will be, How will Charlie react to it, How will Angel Dust respond to it and so forth.
You immediately understand WHY Angel Dust runs over to the door like and tries to make Charlie frick off while their voice is a nervous wreck, Charlie's refusal is irritation and tension raising to the viewer, And when Charlie starts fricking with shit and causes a fire, The weight of 'The Inevitable' and guessing what the severity of 'The Unknown' will be - Becomes almost crushing to the viewer.
I can definitely understand why positive reviewers who watched the first 5 episodes said that 4 was supposedly the turning point where it went from 'passable' to 'good', And if Episode 5 [Which will seemingly be ~Lucifer/Charlie/Alastor-centric] manages to have more sequences like THAT, And not sequences like Charlie arguing with the surfer-bro Adam, Or the British b***h singing about TikTok or whatever, Then I will be PLEASANTLY surprised. And immediately raise my rating of this show.
The only problem I say is in that sequence is Val itself who is extremely one note and uninteresting. Can't feel any tension with him. Would love a sequence where Angel is taken backstage tries to plea, but then Val goes.
>No... I understand Angel. My Sweetheart.
He grabs Angel on the cheek and caresses it.
>It was out of your control. I know that. I am not angry.
Angel is surprised. Relieved and then blurts out.
>Oh! OH Thank you Val, I promise I will never-
And then Val puts more strength into his hand holding Angel
>I am not angry YET.
And then falls silence as he grabs Angel's head with a second hand.
>But if this kind of disturbance happens AGAIN... I will be forced to punish you. And you know how much it would pain me to hurt you again don't you? Are you going to do this to me? Force me to do something like this?
Angel is silent and then quietly whispers
>N-no...
Then Val smiles
>Good. Remember. You are ALWAYS welcome at my side. I love you.
I feel like that would make Val FAR more terrifying. Not him throwing a fit, but being a calm and manipulative abuser and the implication of pain that he will bring onto Angel if something like this is fricked up again. And I would also remove the contract thing, maybe as showing lesser intelligence on Val, but also his magnetism and how much he is able to pull Angel back.
>And I would also remove the contract thing
Nah people would just be saying
>Why doesn't he leave?
>Why doesn't he leave?
>Why doesn't he leave?
Because then you would understand that Val while not very smart because he DIDN'T make a contract is VERY convincing at making people stay with him. He has charm and charisma to make people not want to leave him despite how much he hurts them.
>was probably the 'best' sequence out of the first 4 episodes.
Yes. Episode four was the only episode where I really enjoyed the songs and didn't feel they were out of place throwing off the storytelling that was happening.
To everything else you said, you worded it perfectly in a way I never could. Thanks anon. Maybe this show will have a slow start like Bojack before it gets good. Or...it will peak with episode four and maybe another episode and be a train-wreck until its end. Who knows.
What's with fujos and lesbian bed death?
I don't understand? Are you talking about lesbian fujoshi or something else?
When did Cinemaphile get invaded by christians/cathgays?
>what is a major religion?
>When did Cinemaphile get invaded by christians/cathgays?
>Christian board
my homie do you even?
>Push (X) on (board)
>Users pushback against (X)
>"When did (board) get invaded by (Y)?"
Some people actually grow out of atheism.
>Some people actually grow out of atheism.
Don't confuse atheism with reddit atheism.
Too bad the reddit atheism is the type displayed here in the internet
>Islamists and Buddhists don't politically interfere with American politics
Worthless and moronic argument, Christianity hasn't had any influence in American politics since the Evangelical faction lost all political influence in the 2000's. The modern American left is dominated by anti-white neoliberalism and the modern American right is dominated by white nationalist/nativist thought.
Sugarcoating the hypocrisy of "christianity bad but goatfricker good" with modern day politics is delusional when Christians have no political power at all.
>Worthless and moronic argument, Christianity hasn't had any influence in American politics since the Evangelical faction lost all political influence in the 2000's.
Buddhists and Islamists aren't behind anti-abortion, anti-immigration, and anti-LGBT activism and lobbying in America. Do we have a buddhist Matt Walsh?
>Sugarcoating the hypocrisy of "christianity bad but goatfricker good"
You guys always invent a strawman to win a hypothetical argument in your head because you're mad at left-leaning twitter users.
Maybe people wouldn't leave you for them if you guys didn't suck in every metric in comparison to the average person.
Those Twitter users, like Cinemaphile /misc/tards, are voters or future voters. If that doesn't scare you, then I don't know what to tell you.
>Worthless and moronic argument, Christianity hasn't had any influence in American politics since the Evangelical faction lost all political influence in the 2000's
I mean that's a period where a lot of period grew up in. I agree with you, that nowadays Christianity has not as much power as it used to, but during that period of time a lot of people grew up under that influance.
point was that, Christians did a lot of bad things politically, and people remember them and grew up with them, and so are very spiteful to them.
Id rather deal with that then other things. Deal with the devil you know rather then the devil you dont and all that. But a lot of problems today are just a reaction to how strict and stiff a lot of Christians were 20+ years ago.
>But a lot of problems today are just a reaction to how strict and stiff a lot of Christians were 20+ years ago.
The church is a dynamic woman, but mankind is dynamically evil.
>the modern American right is dominated by white nationalist/nativist thought.
I fricking wish.
The left, the right......in the end they're both whining about curing "muh oppression" by implementing an oppressive dictatorship (either via Communism or Fascism) and imposing severe limits on personal freedoms.
You're not deep dude, and beli z z xbeving fearmongers about "muh fourth reich" or whatever other dogshit paranoia is not rational.
My point is, it's inherently schizo to complain about one's oppression by promoting authoritarian ideologies.
Frick off Redditgay. "Durr durr the Repuclikkkans are going to gas all the brown people" is moronic and you should feel bad for buying into that horseshit.
Leave your Media Matters astroturfing bullshit back on r/politics and stop insulting our intelligence.
Take your meds, schizo
I accept your concession. Now get the frick out migrant.
I really don’t get this narrative. I honestly think they simply want the lizard people and others to take the non-white narrative seriously, so they themselves get stuck into this victimhood complex.
Doesn’t everyone know that Trump is a scalie?
Facism is a form of socialism and is left-wing.
Insane that people like you still think you have no sway on American politics after the overturning of Roe v Wade
>issue was overpopulation
Yeah. But for whom?
Or what? You thought angels just like to "help" hell to keep their population in check?
I don't think that this change anything
>Wahhhh people were mean to me so that means I get to generalize and be mean to other people too
Grow the frick up you pussy. This is like the Apu controversy all over again. No, getting rid of Apu wouldn’t stop people from making fun of you for being a street shitter. If Christianity wasn’t around people would generally be worse off and still unaccepting of everyone else. You just want to be an intolerant moron on a winning side towards groups that you dislike.
>show turns out to be absolute gruel
Not surprising to anyone with one fourth of a neuron
>fun premise
>entertaining pilot
>floor drops out to shipping drama
Women love doing this. Many such cases. Sad.
>shipping drama
Aren't dudes the ones actually paying for that kind of shit?
>floor drops out to shipping drama
Husk and Angel are the only ship drama and they resolved that quick
>gay soap opera about trauma and redemption
i can't believe i'm going to say this but the show would have been better if it was written by rebecca
>the show would have been better if it was written by rebecca
You're reaching and you know it. All the foundations for a good show are there. All Viv needs is an assistant showrunner who can say no to her.
You can't say no to queers, they've learned that not getting their way is oppression
Counterpoint: Alex Hirsch
>Never watched one episode of both shows
I can't be the only one, for years I've been saying how shit this show was and homosexuals laughed at me. Who's laughing now?
Wanna hear something?
You Black folk always shit on this show but yet not a single soul here will shit on Loona. That says something.
You know I'm right.
Loona's a terrible character but she's so irrelevant there's no point in talking about it
Based and true
I hate to say it but Loona is becoming stale at this point, yes she was good at the start but now she's been fricked by every living thing at this point. I need something new.
Verosika is hotter.
I haven't watched HB yet but I likely will soon.
Is it true that Viv cut down on Loona later on because she was afraid of the character getting too much attention and overshadowing everyone else?
I recall some tweet from the VA going "everythings fine" but it sounds like its not.
nah, the VA actress of Loona lost her husband on an accident, so she hasn't been able to record a lot of lines for the second season
So these are both true?
I mean what a moron. What plans did she have for Loona?
If you get a character that takes off, you don't suppress it.
Nobody knows, just enjoy the porn I guess.
Think it was said she couldn't afford to put Loona in too much. Combine that with the personal issue I guess. I highly doubt any artist hates their own characters, sounds like literal schizo theories from shitposters.
They were NOT married. They were dating. He died of cancer in summer 2022.
Lindbeck is still doing fan conventions with Helluva cast members, but Loona has zero role in Season 2.
yeah, ig so, she may be still mourn him, I would rather not do furry bait voice acting for a while if my partner died
She still regularly attends conventions and announces new roles, soooo. Loona just isn't a priority or something worth caring about.
Viv was pissed that her furbait took off and she scrapped lots of plans for Loona. So she nurfed her in the later seasons. It's gone to the point that the Anons want to give her own show and take her away from Viv as their own piece of properity, like Snootgame.
Loona is just a mid goth wolf and I’m tired of pretending she’s not
I shit on Loona. She's overrated as frick. She has absolutely nothing going for her in this "story," whatever that may be.
Loona is the honestly best warning sign in early season 1 for where the show would go. I get they wanted to make her less edgy for character's sake but series to pilot she feels like they sanded her down so much she's a completely different character. Like, by episode 8 I feel like I'm watching a 2000s teen drama whenever she's on screen.
Still, she did show the best side of Blitzo: protective father.
Different anon, that's not really what SHE should be doing. Being a prop for Blitzo to look like a better person. He should be actively trying to improve myself for her. Not make her learn to love him for being a dick. She's mellowed out for HIS sake, and they're barely meeting half way about it.
That anon here. You could still largely do that dynamic better if she were more confident and thinking she knows it all.
That kind of dynamic is honestly better that way.
She wants a show where Blitzo gets everything he deserves, the good end, without putting in the work to improve. I keep giving Viv to much credit thinking that she'll actually go into her characters suffering loneliness and regret in a real way.
IE: the spoiler where Octavia refuses to forgive Stolas and we see the story continue were we live with that outcome.
But knowing that Viv will change shit because of fan backlash, I could see that whole scene being cut out because she can't commit to those choices.
Just finished watching ep 3 & 4
>the music in 3 is awful and the songs are like jumpscares that just happen at random with no build up (Carmilla did not need to sing that shit)
>Sir Pent and his eggs are the best part of the ep and i love them
>Zestial sounds like a poorly written Shakespeare character and it was really hard to understand what he was even saying because his voice sounds so....low? i needed subtitles just to know wtf he was waffling about
>i ended up liking Velvette more then i expected because she basically just called Carmilla & Vestial busted and old and that was funny
>Vaggie's singing voice is mediocre
>Charlie is less interesting then she was in the pilot & even more useless
>Valentino's moth wings are cool and i like his clothes
>Poison was "eh" and the song with Angel and Husk was ok
>i can't see Husk & Angel's relationship as romantic, they fit better as a mentor and younger man with problems dynamic
>Nifty is great
Overall, these eps were ok. I want more of the Vs now since they're the most interesting so far.
What do you expect to see from her?
Very little since her debut episode is also the Heaven one and the one after that is focused on Rosie.
Because you touch yourself at night
They took too long to make the series and shit changed. I guess they got bored of the concept of redeeming people and wanted to focus on something more fun like heaven vs hell or the execs picked that concept because it's more accessible.
Either way, that giant retcon lore expo dump at the start was really really weak, even if the rest of the 4 episodes were okay.
It's hard to make a show about heaven and hell when you have no system of morality.
Sinners sin in the most stereotypical "murder, sex, swearing, but of course Viv doesn't REALLY feel like those are bad. Which is good, because they don't want a show about actually bad people, but a show about her quirky horny OCs. But that leaves the premise of the show weird, they're trying to rehabilitate sinners, but they don't even know what sin and virtue is, let alone question how Charlie has such a moral compass when she's hell royalty.
And Angels are basically the same buttholes as demons, not even bad in a different way. It's all quirky safe-edgy buttholes all the way down, she literally can't write anything else.
>let alone question how Charlie has such a moral compass when she's hell royalty.
Good point.
Depending on how the backstory went, she may have inherited a non-fallen human nature from Lilith and knowledge of good and evil from Lucifer.
They wore shirts of mix fabrics and ate shellfish,
>the israelites were right after all
Shiet
Why would they even care about Hell being overpopulated? Extermination is dumb just make the existing space in Hell expand
>expect to get filtered by the change in plot
>actually get filtered new voices
Charlie doesn't sound anywhere near as cute
This is exactly how I felt. Pretty much everyone besides alistor and nifty sound bizarre, husk just sounds completely out of place with his character design, isn't he supposed to be some gruff drunk/gambler, why is his voice so smooth?
You know how people were annoyed Star Wars episode 1 A Phantom Menace had all these space politics in it?
Hazbin Hotel surprisingly has a lot of hell politics in it.
Episode 1: Charlie and Adam negotiations
Episode 2: Setting up how Alastor and Vox interact with each other
Episode 3: Politics meeting with Zestial, Carmine, Velvette, and Alastor
Episode 4: not really a politics episode, since it's all about Angel Dust. Charlie vs Valentino is more personal business of Charlie not wanting to see someone she knows get hurt
Episode 5, which is Dad Beat Dad, seems like a personal issues episode for Charlie, but since they're rulers, there's potential politics
Episode 6, Welcome To Heaven, sounds like a politics episode, showing more of heaven.
Episode 7, Hello Rosie, is a potential politics episode, since Rosie is an overlord.
Episode 8: Finale, If they're fighting against Heaven, that's more of an action episode fueled by politics, but there's potential politics with how Charlie and Heaven resolve things.
I'm not shocked at the said cartoon that is trying to rehabilitate corrupt souls to get into heaven is all about politics. It would be weird if it wasn't politics.
The problem with George Lucas's politics is that he couldn't dumb down the language to save his life. He just made everything overly complicated.
When in reality; he could've easily done so by: Making the republic and the separatists both have issues, make the jedi council actually have corrupt individuals who have fricked up views, and then show that there's some redeeming qualities for the Sith.
>make the jedi council actually have corrupt individuals who have fricked up views
Wouldn't that make them NOT Jedi by definition?
Idk dick about Star Wars but I thought the point was that Jedi are light side/good and the other dudes are dark side/bad. Corruption would, by definition, be bad so automatically other dudes and not Jedi, right?
>I'm not shocked at the said cartoon that is trying to rehabilitate corrupt souls to get into heaven is all about politics. It would be weird if it wasn't politics.
I see a few people expecting more of a slice of life show focused on the hotel residents, and then getting annoyed at the focus on the politicians and angel war.
personally i don't mind the politics, but i hope introducing all these politicians has a payoff somewhere down the line, and where the hotel fits into these politics, since a lot of screentime is being spent on setting up the politics.
One of the trailer pictures show lots of people defending the hotel, so maybe the existence of the hotel, among the people of hell, turns from being a joke to being something important to them, whether it's personally or politically
viv liked a thread on how it's not only "heaven bad, hell good", so maybe that's her intention
https://twitter.com/Christhezombie8/status/1748773935536095444
do you think the later episodes will follow through that intention well?
I'm waiting for the Heaven episode to pass judgement on that.
What I'm hoping for is that the storybook intro turns out to have some pretty big lies of omission in it, like after Hell started to get big Lucifer and Lilith tried to attack Heaven and after they failed the Exterminations were put into place. So it's less "Hell can't ever hope rise against Heaven because we're paranoid." and more "Hell try to attack Heaven a second time."
I think Sera and Emily will both be reasonable, but Sera fully believes the Exterminations are a necessary evil and Emily is mostly just Charlie if Lucifer didn't get kicked out of Heaven.
It's cute how Charlie becomes a barking dog when she's angry
She is cute angry.
>they are more mean, unwise, unsupportive, self-unaware, selfish, and poor than the average person
Why is it thay the people who consistently cry for sympathy online tend to be unlikable, bitter c**ts?
Every fricking group that demands sympathy does this: Reddit atheists (aka (you)) who've faced no oppression in their lives, trannies, incels, terminally online feminists... every fricking shit ideology online that asks us to feel sorry for them turns out to type shit like what you just did, where it shows no self-awareness for how little you actually believe your own fake-altruism.
You don't care about them being more [whatever] than the "average person," you think (you)'re more virtuous than some strawman. Piss off you Reddit c**t.
Whenever you have people to feel bad for, they say
>”Don’t feel bad for me.”
>Starts with lore dump
The show is about heaven and hell, for frick's sake, there was no need to invent your own entire mythology for this.
>Voice acting is massively subdued compared to the pilot
Yeah, just ditch the things that made it appealing. Sigh.
At least the songs are okay. Only so much you can ask from a series.
>why would the show invent is own world to use it?
Is this bait?
Also, yes, I liked the new voices a lot but Vaggie voice fricking sucks, 0 emotion, I would have preferred they casted anyone else if the actress doesn't like the role and shows no passion while doing it
>Is this bait?
Engage your brain. Lore dumps are shit, and heaven and hell are some of the best known concepts in the entire world. It does not take a genius to come up with the idea of using that cultural awareness in order to not have to waste time on shitty exposition.
So is the show good? Can someone tell me the truth without spoilers or shitposting?
Watch it yourself.
this is Cinemaphile moron, everyone has their own opinion there is no "good" or "bad" review you can read here that holds water
watch it yourself or frick off
It's mediocre, which is honestly worse. The plot is going full-speed into heaven is really gonna kill everyone and do it early, Exterminators who were the big bads are already shown to be killable in the SECOND episode already. The voice acting is subpar if you're used to hearing the old Vas and the animation isn't made by spindlehorse, but Bento Box, the studio who does a lot of cheapo Fox network animation shows. But the animation isn't godawful, just a noticeable downgrade.
It's serviceable but it's not what it was hyped up to be after years of longing for it to exist. I'm legit only in it for Vox and Alastor porn.
>One is a degenerate gambler who has to work as a bartender to pay off his debts
>The other is pretty much a sex slave who gets raped and has to gaslight himself into enjoying it
Am I the only one who recognizes this false equivalency? Am I the only one who understands that this is unintentionally framing Alastor and Valentino to both be abusers?
Alastor and Valentino are both abusers.
Alastor is implied to be, but he hasn't done anything all that bad on screen yet.
He's just generic tumblr "i'm a guy who smiles a lot! fear me!"
Owning Husker and Nifty (and every other unnamed soul he owns) as slaves is already unforgivably bad. Doesn’t matter if they entered “contracts,” they’re his slaves. They have to work for him, forever, and meet any demand he makes of them, and he doesn’t pay any of them outside of one favor he granted a long time ago.
They simply work for him. With Husk it’s outright told to you that he’s simply repaying a debt to Alastor after a bet. Working as a bartender to repay your debt is not the same as being a sex slave who can be raped at a moments notice.
Until you find out what crimes Husk and Nifty are guilty of. Al is the type of Tumblr OC who only would commit a crime if it was against someone worse than him.
If husk and nifty did nothing wrong, then yes, Al is a 'bug bad guy' but say Husk is known to have killed puppies or kittens while he was alive, or Nifty is a cannibal. There for, Al is a "precious bean who does nothing wrong. And is just keeping his children caged for societal protection."
Alestor sucks because he won't actually be a real threat to anyone to didn't deserve it.
No. The show wants Alastor to be scary and powerful, but he's a silly.
Comics and cartoons?
I bet you're mad at Christians because the Bible says that homosexualry is wrong kek. Yeah sorry buddy, loving someone is not the same as being accepting of their lifestyle. I'm not Christian but Christians are really good people.
You think maybe the angels, the bad guys in the series, might have been lying?
Seeing some stuff, yea, he's right. They gave away a major plotpoint they never should have given in this way. It's something that would be done as a twist to reveal that it didn't matter, causing the climax of the story to be told.
Because troons, homosexuals, and other sorts of liberals are incapable of actually creating something that is both new AND beautiful. Thus they're either derivative or ugly.
So are the Christcucks actually this mad or are they just looking for moronic reasons to complain
Go back to r/atheism fedora tipper, your dumbass theology takes aren't welcome in these threads
So actually butthurt haha, got it. Purchasing Prime right now
>Hazbingay seething at a post that has nothing to do with Christianity
I always knew you homosexuals were hiding behind the “only Religiongays hate our show!” shield.
Bruh
wasn't even me
They don't care about the fat tumblr yaoi show.
>expecting Christains to care about safe edgy furry cartoon
I haven't seen anyone remotely Christian talk about HH, most just watch anime or live action shows on netflix. Majority of people watching are the already established fanbase.
>unique premise
On 17 January, 2019, NBC aired an episode of The Good Place titled ‹Chidi Sees The Time-Knife› where that exact premise is put forth. When did the Hazbin pilot first go up?
>go look for reviews of the show on youtube
>people are trying to moralgay about Valentino and Vox like them being genuinely bad people is a shocking revelation
Do these morons even know where this show takes place in?
>oh no, guys, the bad guys act like fricking bad guys
>this is bad, for some reason
Is that how those reviewers sound like?
That and people in the comments trying to paint Val as somehow worse (he is evil but that's not surprising) then anyone else in Hell or even compared to Vox just because he "triggers" people too hard.
It's in HELL. Why are people acting like evil people doing evil shit wasn't going to be shown in HELL.
people expected hell as the paradise for edgy gays
They want "safe edgy" where bad guys are never really shown actually doing bad things or it's in a comedic light. There are dozens of cannibals, sex pest, and gangsters in hell and people are still b***hing about "muh liking evil people is wrong". Half the main cast is evil people but with fun and quirky personalities.
3 major reviews I saw are saying the writing and pacing is crap.
Yeah I see her own political leaning fans get extremely emotional over cartoon characters being genuinely awful beings.
>I'm sorry guys I... its just survivors have a it rough you know? And characters like Valentino are... just too much. He is just too evil and not in the funny way, but too close to home type
Jesus christ its a fricking drawing.