I don't understand why they wanted to make franchise out of this. t2 already repeats everything from t1. there's not much you can do with this. t3 repeats t2, then dark fate again goes back to t2
Salvation's direction was the way to go with the series if they wanted to keep the story going, but it bombed so hard they went back to remaking the first two films.
Hiring the only Aussie that can't do an American accent, and then a guy who's willing to play Connor but they have to massively alter the script, doomed it before it ever hit theaters. With the original script, and T2 not existing, it would've made Terminator cemented as dark scifi, almost horror.
A Terminator movie exploring the dark future with the last remnants of humanity struggling to survive would've been great to see. Sorta what the Salvation almost ended up being like.
>I don't understand why they wanted to make franchise out of this. t2 already repeats everything from t1. there's not much you can do with this. t3 repeats t2, then dark fate again goes back to t2
The Sarah Connor Chronicles were pretty fucking great before they got terminated. Being a tv show they had the scope to change up the formula and play with some very different themes.
Childhood is Terminator movies
Adulthood is TSCC
/thread
>this is retard code for "I get bored quickly and pull out my phone if there isn't a loud noise
this is retard code for "I'm taking photos of my bro's Gf's feet"
literally this
the great thing about T2 was how much exposition there was
ADHD kiddies now don't comprehend anything but michael bay constant explosions
Terminator 2 was the best movie in the franchise retard. It failed afterwards because there was literally no need for another Terminator movie after part 2
I would have loved a movie that showcased the actual resistance. Could have done some pretty neat things with time travel subtly changing things through the movie as the robots get more desperate to stop Connor.
>movie with an obnoxious child character >ever being better
It's only better if you're the type of kid who'll self-insert as the kid character and think it's cool to think about having your own pet Terminator to teach how to smile. And by that I mean a gay kid.
at first I thought OP was being ironic and this was his point
then saw the thread and realized zoomers really are hopelessly retarded now and really is trying to cope on how much the present sucks by blaming it on the past because it was better
They keep calling it a "franchise", thinking about it in current terms. Back in the day only cheapass movies got more than 3 movies, and the third movie always had a bad rep.
Basically. Once you take your Arnie heel and make him a babyface who saves the day in the emotional climax there really isn't much more you can do with the concept.
The Terminator is superior movie in more than one way. That doesn't mean that T2 isn't a good movie or one of the best sequels ever made. One legitimate continuation of the story could have been prequel about Future War, made by Cameron within couple or few years from T2, as cast members like Michael Biehn was still young enough to reprise his role as Kyle Reese believably. Sticking to original future war aesthetic.
It had surreal budget for its day and higher production values. It is great action flick with bit more philosophical depth than typical action flick of its day with no fate what we make it stuff, but pretty much everyone who rates it over the original film is pleb that has massive nostalgia boner for it for some reason. It lacks the desperation of original action-horror-scifi masterpiece.
Only good continuation after T2 was tv-show Sarah Connor Chronicles. It actually tried to do something other than T2 remake or shitting on entire mythos like Salvation.
It's the fact that it was a middling stand alone movie before T2 turned it into a franchise. T2 was such a cultural phenomenon that multiple film students (including PTA) quit school to just start making their own films because "they weren't teaching us how to make movies like that, and we weren't interested in making anything else."
I'm not even a Terminator fanboy and I have fond memories of watching T2 with my Ma growing up multiple different times.
kek this, the writer is clearly a retarded zoomie. if cameron had done a 3rd movie in the late 90s about the future war visions that Reese was having in 1, and end the movie with Reese and the t800 stepping into the machine, it becomes a perfect sci-fi trilogy
Will you ever learn that you never explain those kinds or things?
Future war only works as nightmarish flashbacks, skynet and the time travel are better unseen, and so on.
You think you want it, but believe, me you actually don't.
Will you ever learn?
how would it be difficult to write, after all the material in 1 and 2? the story is already fleshed out. >open the film with the humans planning their big final strike on skynet >evading infiltrator units as they get their plans together >3rd act is the attack >they discover the time travel plan >watch the t800 go into the machine >emotional moment between Reese and Connor as Connor hands him the picture of Sarah >Reese steps into the machine >blinding light >cut to black >dundun DUN DUNDUN music kicks in >roll credits
sounds incredibly difficult and impossible to pull off
I'm ssaying you don't actually want to see it, because being nebulous and confined in flashbacks is what makes it cool. What makes skynet cool.
You really don't want it to be demistified, believe me. Don't listen to your nerd impulses
Same way nobody actually wanted the space jockey and the xenomorph demistified
Kys gay. A story conceived with some misteious/neboulous element can only be downgraded by that kind of franchisegayry.
Watch capeshit if you want inane meaningless lore porn.
>be clickbait author >want to talk about how terminator 2 is the reason we don't get new/good terminator movies >terminator 2 was so good it destroyed an entire franchise >... hmmm, not good enough... >terminator 2 was so BAD it destroyed an entire franchise! >yes, this will draw clicks.
>Die Hard, the two-word phrase found in each of the films' titles, is a term that describes someone fanatical, devoted and strongly resistant to change, so it is no surprise that McClane adopts the cultural attitudes of the American Western for his personal identity, not just in his famous “Yippee-ki-yay” catchphrase but also in how he behaves and what he represents, hearkening back to an era of unmasked American colonization, genocide and misogyny. >The triumph at the end of Die Hard isn’t the thwarted heist or even in John and Holly getting back together: John’s nightmarish version of America has been restored when a woman is dragged back to being nothing more than a wife and a cop is unleashed once again as a killer >This is why Die Hard is the worst of the franchise: because of what it represents and what it celebrates, so enthusiastic in elevating McClane to the status of a hero, it is hard not to read the film as a satire of American misogyny and violence. >This is also what makes A Good Day to Die Hard the best of the series, not in what it changes but in what it retains....it is here that A Good Day to Die Hard succeeds, not attempting to redeem McClane for the 21st century but just showing him as he is and has always been: a violent, unpleasant old man that no one wants to be around.
Truly the chosen gay, a font of regurgitated propaganda through academic obfuscation of the truth—that he wouldn’t know a good time if it fucked him in the ass.
>when a woman is dragged back to being nothing more than a wife
Yeah, because that's so fucking terrible, isn't it? And every female character has to be a strong woman archetype because God forbid there's an actual diversity in characters. Fucking gay.
This bro just trying for clicks with a bunch of hot takes. I actually don't disagree with a lot of that analysis, but it so totally misses the point in that Die Hard is meant to be a fun action movie and some moral send up of America in the 1980s. That's his reading applied to a film that isn't trying hard to be ideological so much as trying to be fun.
Well, a movie can be fun but also betray the underlying political beliefs of its writer/director. They don't live in vacuum, and what they believe is good/just and evil/unjust will seep into their works and influence others. I think this is what they mean by "critical theory"?
>It killed the franchise.
No, it revamped it. The Terminator was never supposed to have sequels because the more you explain about it the more holes appear in the world and lore. But T2 answered questions that should have been left unanswered and it became a franchise that was always chasing its tail trying to build a future that had more holes than a fishing net.
T2 was fucking solid action movie. The T-1000 was an awesome fucking villain and the effects were amazing for the time.
It's the shitty near direct-to-video-quality sequels that tried to recapture that spark that killed it.
>The T-1000 was an awesome fucking villain
I like T1 more, but T-1000 from concept to insanely perfect casting, makes him one of the all-time greatest villains.
A great action movie that compliments the og masterpiece is a much better fate than a sequel that tries to out-masterpiece the og masterpiece on its same ground
You don't need aliens for that. Have a T1000 go rogue just like Skynet feared(the reason it didn't keep sending them back to kill John even though they were superior) and now humanity must team up with Skynet to avert a Grey Goo scenario, because they can't drive the hunter killer bots themselves.
Ends with a Terminator and Resistance member making a last stand to keep the T1000s away from an EMP bomb that'll be able to fry their circuitry.
If anything, T3 was what killed the franchise, as it was a rehash of T2. In comparison, 2 was different enough from 1 and not a bad continuation. It was also the only other Terminator movie you needed to make.
Terminator 2 is a flick where nobody actually dies. The wisecracking tongue in title character makes sure not to hurt any good guys. It's for children. The Terminator on the other hand is a masterpiece of action horror.
>cop investigating T1000 appearance >fat cop by vending machine >step parents >Miles Dyson >trucker
6 deaths, two of which are offscreen and Arnie kills no-one even before John's pacifist rules.
The article is right for the wrong reasons. T2 destroyed the franchise because it was good. Every movie and even the fucking TV series was just a remake of T2.
The only good path forward for the Terminator franchise is fully embracing the time loop >Utterly convoluted plot that is perfectly consistent once broken down >Every event from the previous films turns out to be caused by other terminators trying to stop those events >i.e. you can't change the past, so you accidentally cause it to happen by trying to change it >Arnold repeatedly sends himself back in time and hides in a cave so he can create an army of himself to act at aspecfic moment in the past >John Conner is actually Kyle Reese's father >Arnold is accentially sent back to perhistoric times, and ends up founding civisation to ensure that Skynet is created in the future
T3 I feel closes the loop. It should have been a better movie but it still serves well as a conclusive end to the premise and locks it in, like the whole thing is about trying to change the future and it hammers home firmly that the future cannot be changed and everything that happens in the trilogy does happena nd isn't left dangling at the end of a causal what-if, Skynet cannot kill John Connor before Judgement Day, Sarah Connor cannot stop Judgement Day from happening.
It seems like bait because T2 is fine on its own, but it's true that pretty much every single problem plaguing the franchise can be traced back to T2. >inconsistent time travel rules (fate can't be chang- oh wait, it can!) >guns & explosions instead of tense horror >"no THIS is Skynet's last ditch attempt" rehashing >no real sense of danger because it's all Terminator vs Terminator now >bringing back John Connor for everything except fighting the OG war >constantly sending back new terminators and avoiding showing the future
T2 is one of very few movies that they can put on tv and marathon 24 hours and still get good ratings Along with A Christmas Story, the original Ghostbusters, the Back to the Future trilogy, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the original Star Wars trilogy, and maybe 20 other films.
Salvation had absolutely retarded Skynet vehicles designs, with some kind of giant humanoid mech spawning smaller motorbike mechs. The action was too over the top and not grounded at all. Skynet spoke to humans for the first time and it was the most generic "bad AI" tripe ever. It just wasn't very good except for the "If you can hear it, you are the resistance" line. That was cheesy, but nice.
But i liked generic grey and black post apocalyptic world 🙁 I also liked that they still used ordinary guns and had helicopters and A10's even though that didn't make much sense. >but for the whole structure of the movie this made sense, start the franchise from the beginning and move up to the later stages of the war but the people in charge of production didn't realised that people that liked T1 and T2, specially those who grew up as T2 was released or relatively new, not because it was a grey generic post-apocalyptic movie riddled with HKs but because it was a 80s neon post apocalypse
Gotta be honest, i almost broke my brain trying to structurize this whole entire sentence properly.
I agree. I saw it in the cinemas in the 90s. The first thing that hit is why the fuck is there a fucking kid in the show. The first was basically an extended massacre. Gripping, tightly woven and featuring a merciless badass at the centre of the action. The second basically revolved around babysitting and shitty Harley Davidson advert placements. It didn't kill the franchise, that's stupid. It was massively popular. What it did, was dumb it down and make it family friendly. I didn't like it. It wasn't really Terminator any more.
Seems like his article was so bad they edited the tittle to start with OPINION in ALL CAPS. Naturally without informing about later edits, as journalistic standard requires.
I thought David Foster Wallace did a fantastic review of Terminator 2
https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn
Admittedly, I liked it as a dumb aciton movie. But I have to admit his criticisms are totally valid. It's nohwere near as good as the first.
David Foster Wallace once wrote a piece about David Lynch. In the piece, he coined a new term: "Lynchian". Wallace described a Lynchian tone as "the unbelievably grotesque existing in a kind of union with the unbelievably banal."
He described a husband beating his 1950s housewife to death because she bought the wrong brand of peanut butter. "I told you to buy the JIF," he'd say as he's clobbering her to death. This, he said, would qualify as almost perfectly Lynchian.
I think "I Am Jazz" enters into Lynchian territory. The .webm above shows a simple domestic scene. The women look like average suburban moms. They're relaxing on the couch. One imagines they might be discussing casserole recipes when we cut to them. But it slowly dawns on us that in the living room, with placid expressions on their faces, they're talking about the woman's transvestite son's genitals.
Despite the obvious subtext and the producers' hope to normalize this horror, the average person is totally disgusted. Nevertheless, the viewer is fascinated. We're drawn further into this. The sheer naked horror of what they're saying, the blase quality with which they're saying it, it creates this brutal paradox that almost rapes the viewer's basic sense of what is decent.
>https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn
Thanks for this. It's been a while since I've read DFW and I forgot how much I love his voice. I wonder what he would've thought of the Marvel orgy in cinema that pervaded the 2010s?
>In Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the police computer the T-1000 uses lists John's date of birth as February 28, 1985, consistent with his conception in The Terminator, taking place in May 1984, making him a 10-year-old in T2. However, this is contradicted in T2 when the reprogrammed Terminator tells John he will send it back through time "35 years from now". This would mean the movie is set in 1994 when John is a 9-year-old.
If they hadn't made Terminator 2 there wouldn't have even been a franchise. And if Terminator 2 hadn't been a successful movie they wouldn't have dreamed about making another one. Terminator 1 and 2 are the only two movies in the franchise that are at all memorable. Everything else is dogshit.
While this is obviously cringe clickbait the franchise really should go back to it's roots as sci-fi horror if they insist on making more.
Making it a straight action franchise will always have limited returns since we live in the capeshit age where superpowered heroes and villains in your standard action movie plot is the norm. There aren't many sci-fi horror franchises still trucking though since they also keep fucking up Aliens and Predator.
Sick an antagonist terminator against just humans again, they're designed and written to be scary and super hard to defeat, not always having a good robot around to get into a hand to hand fight with them.
before all the marvel-tier time travel and multiverse nonsene made spacetime reality shenanigans tiresome, it would have been interesting as some other anon said to have them explore the various changes made away from the initial timeline due to skynet over compensating before it's defeat by sending out its temporal blitzkrieg of terminators. so much divergence probably caused a whole mess of problems.
Cameron wanted it to be the definite final movie but the studio forced him to remove the ending where it shows Sarah as an old woman and John having children.
T1 was great but T2 was some kind of closure. The problem is some movies don't need to be a franchise.
John Wick was amazing as a stand alone movie then they kept making them and adding "lore" and it's shitty storytelling. People talk about the action but the story is now a fucking mess.
T1 is certainly better
What a faget.
It’s the best action movie you can own on 4K Blu-Ray or DVD. Find it at your local retailer today.
Based shill
>It’s the best action movie you can own on 4K Blu-Ray or DVD
... that isn't called 'Aliens'
he said best, not dumbest
I don't understand why they wanted to make franchise out of this. t2 already repeats everything from t1. there's not much you can do with this. t3 repeats t2, then dark fate again goes back to t2
Salvation's direction was the way to go with the series if they wanted to keep the story going, but it bombed so hard they went back to remaking the first two films.
Hiring the only Aussie that can't do an American accent, and then a guy who's willing to play Connor but they have to massively alter the script, doomed it before it ever hit theaters. With the original script, and T2 not existing, it would've made Terminator cemented as dark scifi, almost horror.
Maybe they shouldn't have changed John Connor's actor in every movie.
A Terminator movie exploring the dark future with the last remnants of humanity struggling to survive would've been great to see. Sorta what the Salvation almost ended up being like.
>I don't understand why they wanted to make franchise out of this. t2 already repeats everything from t1. there's not much you can do with this. t3 repeats t2, then dark fate again goes back to t2
The Sarah Connor Chronicles were pretty fucking great before they got terminated. Being a tv show they had the scope to change up the formula and play with some very different themes.
My man
>before they got terminated
>terminated
Huhu
>Sarah Connor Chronicles
I'm still mad it was canceled to this day
~~*They*~~ will milk every penny out of it until is stops being profitable. Its the reason every for sequel ever. Just look at yidsney and star wars
>pacing issues
this is retard code for "I get bored quickly and pull out my phone if there isn't a loud noise or joke to keep my ADHD brain focused."
>this is retard code for "I get bored quickly and pull out my phone if there isn't a loud noise
this is retard code for "I'm taking photos of my bro's Gf's feet"
literally this
the great thing about T2 was how much exposition there was
ADHD kiddies now don't comprehend anything but michael bay constant explosions
Terminator 2 was the best movie in the franchise retard. It failed afterwards because there was literally no need for another Terminator movie after part 2
This.
Same with Alien/Aliens
/thread
I would have loved a movie that showcased the actual resistance. Could have done some pretty neat things with time travel subtly changing things through the movie as the robots get more desperate to stop Connor.
they already made that movie its called a salvation haha
this
and it wasn't great. christian bale tried his best to carry that movie
the universal studios ride was cool
Exactly. The author/OP are retarded.
There's no need for a Terminator movie after 1. Skynet's final act of desperation was time travel, whichever side won in 1984 won in 2029, the end
Yeah but T2 was just plain better.
No it looks flashier it's weaker than the first film in every other way.
>movie with an obnoxious child character
>ever being better
It's only better if you're the type of kid who'll self-insert as the kid character and think it's cool to think about having your own pet Terminator to teach how to smile. And by that I mean a gay kid.
at first I thought OP was being ironic and this was his point
then saw the thread and realized zoomers really are hopelessly retarded now and really is trying to cope on how much the present sucks by blaming it on the past because it was better
They keep calling it a "franchise", thinking about it in current terms. Back in the day only cheapass movies got more than 3 movies, and the third movie always had a bad rep.
Basically. Once you take your Arnie heel and make him a babyface who saves the day in the emotional climax there really isn't much more you can do with the concept.
The Terminator is superior movie in more than one way. That doesn't mean that T2 isn't a good movie or one of the best sequels ever made. One legitimate continuation of the story could have been prequel about Future War, made by Cameron within couple or few years from T2, as cast members like Michael Biehn was still young enough to reprise his role as Kyle Reese believably. Sticking to original future war aesthetic.
It is slasher with bit of scifi put on the monster. Terminator is pretty classic monster.
It had surreal budget for its day and higher production values. It is great action flick with bit more philosophical depth than typical action flick of its day with no fate what we make it stuff, but pretty much everyone who rates it over the original film is pleb that has massive nostalgia boner for it for some reason. It lacks the desperation of original action-horror-scifi masterpiece.
Only good continuation after T2 was tv-show Sarah Connor Chronicles. It actually tried to do something other than T2 remake or shitting on entire mythos like Salvation.
>Only good continuation after T2 was tv-show Sarah Connor Chronicles.
False
Bingo.
Literally baiting for hateclicks
>based out of canada
opinion invalidated, set for termination immediately
the article is garbage but...
I'm Charles Hobby and I love em cocks in every size. My favorite movie is brokeback mountain obviously
>most successful entry in the franchise
>is the reason the franchise failed
I don't use the retard word slightly but whoever wrote that is a retard
It's the fact that it was a middling stand alone movie before T2 turned it into a franchise. T2 was such a cultural phenomenon that multiple film students (including PTA) quit school to just start making their own films because "they weren't teaching us how to make movies like that, and we weren't interested in making anything else."
I'm not even a Terminator fanboy and I have fond memories of watching T2 with my Ma growing up multiple different times.
T2 killed Terminator as a franchise horror (which for me T1 kinda was)
Same way DS9 killed "Trek". It was so good, it killed short science fiction format.
>le Terminator is le horror
What a retarded reddit thing to say.
It's way closer in style to a slasher flick than an action movie
No it's just an action movie made in the 80s. Too scary and "ultraviolent" for zooms
Yes.
>DS9
>good
LEL
Ds9 is fucking shit get the fuck outta here
It was the best movie sequel until Top Gun Maverick. Internet blogs were a mistake.
T2 killed the series alright, you can't really top it so why even bother.
Awful clickbait written by a mong
T2 was a huge fucking deal when it came out man. Everybody saw this fucking movie it was like Jurassic Park big. And it's a great film tbh
kek this, the writer is clearly a retarded zoomie. if cameron had done a 3rd movie in the late 90s about the future war visions that Reese was having in 1, and end the movie with Reese and the t800 stepping into the machine, it becomes a perfect sci-fi trilogy
Will you ever learn that you never explain those kinds or things?
Future war only works as nightmarish flashbacks, skynet and the time travel are better unseen, and so on.
You think you want it, but believe, me you actually don't.
Will you ever learn?
how would it be difficult to write, after all the material in 1 and 2? the story is already fleshed out.
>open the film with the humans planning their big final strike on skynet
>evading infiltrator units as they get their plans together
>3rd act is the attack
>they discover the time travel plan
>watch the t800 go into the machine
>emotional moment between Reese and Connor as Connor hands him the picture of Sarah
>Reese steps into the machine
>blinding light
>cut to black
>dundun DUN DUNDUN music kicks in
>roll credits
sounds incredibly difficult and impossible to pull off
I'm ssaying you don't actually want to see it, because being nebulous and confined in flashbacks is what makes it cool. What makes skynet cool.
You really don't want it to be demistified, believe me. Don't listen to your nerd impulses
Same way nobody actually wanted the space jockey and the xenomorph demistified
>le 'nothing is scarier' fag
If your imagination is so great, why make movies at all? Just sit there and think.
Kys gay. A story conceived with some misteious/neboulous element can only be downgraded by that kind of franchisegayry.
Watch capeshit if you want inane meaningless lore porn.
correct
It was third highest-grossing movie of all time despite being R-rated
BAIT
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>be clickbait author
>want to talk about how terminator 2 is the reason we don't get new/good terminator movies
>terminator 2 was so good it destroyed an entire franchise
>... hmmm, not good enough...
>terminator 2 was so BAD it destroyed an entire franchise!
>yes, this will draw clicks.
>Die Hard, the two-word phrase found in each of the films' titles, is a term that describes someone fanatical, devoted and strongly resistant to change, so it is no surprise that McClane adopts the cultural attitudes of the American Western for his personal identity, not just in his famous “Yippee-ki-yay” catchphrase but also in how he behaves and what he represents, hearkening back to an era of unmasked American colonization, genocide and misogyny.
>The triumph at the end of Die Hard isn’t the thwarted heist or even in John and Holly getting back together: John’s nightmarish version of America has been restored when a woman is dragged back to being nothing more than a wife and a cop is unleashed once again as a killer
>This is why Die Hard is the worst of the franchise: because of what it represents and what it celebrates, so enthusiastic in elevating McClane to the status of a hero, it is hard not to read the film as a satire of American misogyny and violence.
>This is also what makes A Good Day to Die Hard the best of the series, not in what it changes but in what it retains....it is here that A Good Day to Die Hard succeeds, not attempting to redeem McClane for the 21st century but just showing him as he is and has always been: a violent, unpleasant old man that no one wants to be around.
Lmao, you can literally guess the content of his article (as well as his IQ) by watching his face.
Phrenology works for "people" like this one
Truly the chosen gay, a font of regurgitated propaganda through academic obfuscation of the truth—that he wouldn’t know a good time if it fucked him in the ass.
Serious talk how many women has this man rapped?
At least 5, with out question.
>when a woman is dragged back to being nothing more than a wife
Yeah, because that's so fucking terrible, isn't it? And every female character has to be a strong woman archetype because God forbid there's an actual diversity in characters. Fucking gay.
This bro just trying for clicks with a bunch of hot takes. I actually don't disagree with a lot of that analysis, but it so totally misses the point in that Die Hard is meant to be a fun action movie and some moral send up of America in the 1980s. That's his reading applied to a film that isn't trying hard to be ideological so much as trying to be fun.
Well, a movie can be fun but also betray the underlying political beliefs of its writer/director. They don't live in vacuum, and what they believe is good/just and evil/unjust will seep into their works and influence others. I think this is what they mean by "critical theory"?
Deluded ideologue sees political narratives in a movie that don't exist: more news at 11
in this regard he's not too different from /misc/
I piss on franchises. Films are good, franchises are not.
You and me, friendo.
>It killed the franchise.
No, it revamped it. The Terminator was never supposed to have sequels because the more you explain about it the more holes appear in the world and lore. But T2 answered questions that should have been left unanswered and it became a franchise that was always chasing its tail trying to build a future that had more holes than a fishing net.
CBR is BuzzFeed tier garbage.
>Please click...
T2 was fucking solid action movie. The T-1000 was an awesome fucking villain and the effects were amazing for the time.
It's the shitty near direct-to-video-quality sequels that tried to recapture that spark that killed it.
>The T-1000 was an awesome fucking villain
I like T1 more, but T-1000 from concept to insanely perfect casting, makes him one of the all-time greatest villains.
>Destroyed an entire franchise
By ending the story perfectly? Fucking consoomers are so entitled.
It's not terrible really but it's the same shit as with Aliens, Cameron takes a good scary movie and makes a big budget action bullshit sequel to it
A great action movie that compliments the og masterpiece is a much better fate than a sequel that tries to out-masterpiece the og masterpiece on its same ground
Are nerd fandom reviewers/writers retarded?
This is pretty strong evidence that their brains are severely broken.
People just wanted a future war movie that ended with Kyle going back in time
Ummm nice fucking bait.
T2 sucks. I don't know how anyone can take it seriously after pic related.
Protip for you T2 idiots, there is no invisible magic force that hold skeletons together.
It's a fucking dream, you sperg.
Lol
Lmao
I'll take it over every single cgi fart in all modern movies combined
Cinema Sins should be whipped in the public square with a bamboo cane for what they've done to film discussion.
>there is no invisible magic force that hold skeletons together.
How can anyone be this fucking wrong lmao
do you see ligaments in the fucking image you retard?
>complains about lack of detail in 1992 CGI
>calls others retards
What of the GREATEST trochanter tho?
>Omg you guys, the skeleton isn't shown instantaneously falling apart in the slowed-down millisecond of nuclear shockwave that this scene depicts
FUCK OFF RETARD
>Autism: The Post
8/8
T2 is just T1 but with less blood. I don't see how it could ruin anything.
Clearly this retard never saw Terminator 3.
"We didn't stop Judgment Day... we only postponed it." What a fucking joke
They got to think out of the box
ALIEN INVASION
Outgunned, Skynet must turn to its mortal enemy in the past for help
xenomorph vs a terminator
Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator vs Jason and Knuckles, featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
>Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator
That comic was kino, though. Gave clone-Ripley some nice closure.
You don't need aliens for that. Have a T1000 go rogue just like Skynet feared(the reason it didn't keep sending them back to kill John even though they were superior) and now humanity must team up with Skynet to avert a Grey Goo scenario, because they can't drive the hunter killer bots themselves.
Ends with a Terminator and Resistance member making a last stand to keep the T1000s away from an EMP bomb that'll be able to fry their circuitry.
If anything, T3 was what killed the franchise, as it was a rehash of T2. In comparison, 2 was different enough from 1 and not a bad continuation. It was also the only other Terminator movie you needed to make.
Terminator 2 is a flick where nobody actually dies. The wisecracking tongue in title character makes sure not to hurt any good guys. It's for children. The Terminator on the other hand is a masterpiece of action horror.
What about the step parents
>cop investigating T1000 appearance
>fat cop by vending machine
>step parents
>Miles Dyson
>trucker
6 deaths, two of which are offscreen and Arnie kills no-one even before John's pacifist rules.
T2 is good, but it definitely lacks grit.
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Childhood is T2
Adulthood is T1
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Kinohood is liking both equally
absolutely bestest post in this thread. end of discussion
This, I’ve only seen them each once and don’t have a favorite. Both are great.
Childhood is Terminator movies
Adulthood is TSCC
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Meanwhile actual adulthood is liking both, because they are both masterpieces, and ignoring everything else
Childhood is live action Terminator
Adulthood is picrel
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Heard that was pretty good. I'm looking for a new looter shooter, but I've already played Generation Zero to death. Really should pick it up one day.
The game plays like something from 7th gen. But the story is the best Terminator material in the last 10 years, probably longer than that
not being retard is liking both of them as different movies
Manchild is telling everyone that T1 is better than T2.
The article is right for the wrong reasons. T2 destroyed the franchise because it was good. Every movie and even the fucking TV series was just a remake of T2.
this bro gets it
>was just a remake of T2, but dogshit, if not hostile.
Fixed
>I'm gonna blame the previous movies for the reboot and dark fart propaganda failures.
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The only good path forward for the Terminator franchise is fully embracing the time loop
>Utterly convoluted plot that is perfectly consistent once broken down
>Every event from the previous films turns out to be caused by other terminators trying to stop those events
>i.e. you can't change the past, so you accidentally cause it to happen by trying to change it
>Arnold repeatedly sends himself back in time and hides in a cave so he can create an army of himself to act at aspecfic moment in the past
>John Conner is actually Kyle Reese's father
>Arnold is accentially sent back to perhistoric times, and ends up founding civisation to ensure that Skynet is created in the future
That's actually not bad
T2 killed the franchise by being so good that nothing that came after could compare
I like T3 though
T3 I feel closes the loop. It should have been a better movie but it still serves well as a conclusive end to the premise and locks it in, like the whole thing is about trying to change the future and it hammers home firmly that the future cannot be changed and everything that happens in the trilogy does happena nd isn't left dangling at the end of a causal what-if, Skynet cannot kill John Connor before Judgement Day, Sarah Connor cannot stop Judgement Day from happening.
In a sense it destroyed the franchise by being so good that there was nothing anyone could do afterwards that could even compare
>ending on a definitive note leaving no room for spin offs and sequels is bad
Yes, it means it "kills the franchise". I need to consume more of this franchise dammit!
It seems like bait because T2 is fine on its own, but it's true that pretty much every single problem plaguing the franchise can be traced back to T2.
>inconsistent time travel rules (fate can't be chang- oh wait, it can!)
>guns & explosions instead of tense horror
>"no THIS is Skynet's last ditch attempt" rehashing
>no real sense of danger because it's all Terminator vs Terminator now
>bringing back John Connor for everything except fighting the OG war
>constantly sending back new terminators and avoiding showing the future
Bad imitatos can't be blamed on the original
*imitations
>franchise
it ended it, I like 3 (its what got me into terminator at the time) but the story ended with 2
T2 is one of very few movies that they can put on tv and marathon 24 hours and still get good ratings Along with A Christmas Story, the original Ghostbusters, the Back to the Future trilogy, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the original Star Wars trilogy, and maybe 20 other films.
he should be pelted with beans for this terrible opinion
This guy should change his name to Charles Fuckwitted Fucking Cuntstick
This man should be pelted with beans for their trash opinion.
Salvation had absolutely retarded Skynet vehicles designs, with some kind of giant humanoid mech spawning smaller motorbike mechs. The action was too over the top and not grounded at all. Skynet spoke to humans for the first time and it was the most generic "bad AI" tripe ever. It just wasn't very good except for the "If you can hear it, you are the resistance" line. That was cheesy, but nice.
Salvation was best when it was a trailer
But i liked generic grey and black post apocalyptic world 🙁 I also liked that they still used ordinary guns and had helicopters and A10's even though that didn't make much sense.
>but for the whole structure of the movie this made sense, start the franchise from the beginning and move up to the later stages of the war but the people in charge of production didn't realised that people that liked T1 and T2, specially those who grew up as T2 was released or relatively new, not because it was a grey generic post-apocalyptic movie riddled with HKs but because it was a 80s neon post apocalypse
Gotta be honest, i almost broke my brain trying to structurize this whole entire sentence properly.
Imagine getting paid to write b8. The dream job. We do it for free.
t2 was the last great action movie before they turned action movies into cgi piles of shit.
I agree. I saw it in the cinemas in the 90s. The first thing that hit is why the fuck is there a fucking kid in the show. The first was basically an extended massacre. Gripping, tightly woven and featuring a merciless badass at the centre of the action. The second basically revolved around babysitting and shitty Harley Davidson advert placements. It didn't kill the franchise, that's stupid. It was massively popular. What it did, was dumb it down and make it family friendly. I didn't like it. It wasn't really Terminator any more.
That's it im rewatching T2 tonight.
Also OP is cum-gargling and slurping as always.
Seems like his article was so bad they edited the tittle to start with OPINION in ALL CAPS. Naturally without informing about later edits, as journalistic standard requires.
Fascinating worldview these subhumans have, where the goal of a movie is not to tell a complete story but rather set up infinite sequels.
T2 is the one that set up infinite sequels though, by shitting on the closed timeloop rule of T1.
I thought David Foster Wallace did a fantastic review of Terminator 2
https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn
Admittedly, I liked it as a dumb aciton movie. But I have to admit his criticisms are totally valid. It's nohwere near as good as the first.
David Foster Wallace once wrote a piece about David Lynch. In the piece, he coined a new term: "Lynchian". Wallace described a Lynchian tone as "the unbelievably grotesque existing in a kind of union with the unbelievably banal."
He described a husband beating his 1950s housewife to death because she bought the wrong brand of peanut butter. "I told you to buy the JIF," he'd say as he's clobbering her to death. This, he said, would qualify as almost perfectly Lynchian.
I think "I Am Jazz" enters into Lynchian territory. The .webm above shows a simple domestic scene. The women look like average suburban moms. They're relaxing on the couch. One imagines they might be discussing casserole recipes when we cut to them. But it slowly dawns on us that in the living room, with placid expressions on their faces, they're talking about the woman's transvestite son's genitals.
Despite the obvious subtext and the producers' hope to normalize this horror, the average person is totally disgusted. Nevertheless, the viewer is fascinated. We're drawn further into this. The sheer naked horror of what they're saying, the blase quality with which they're saying it, it creates this brutal paradox that almost rapes the viewer's basic sense of what is decent.
>https://www.scribd.com/doc/14994144/David-Foster-Wallace-F-X-Porn
Thanks for this. It's been a while since I've read DFW and I forgot how much I love his voice. I wonder what he would've thought of the Marvel orgy in cinema that pervaded the 2010s?
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One of the better sequels
I never understood the dictionary background meme, QRD?
>In Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the police computer the T-1000 uses lists John's date of birth as February 28, 1985, consistent with his conception in The Terminator, taking place in May 1984, making him a 10-year-old in T2. However, this is contradicted in T2 when the reprogrammed Terminator tells John he will send it back through time "35 years from now". This would mean the movie is set in 1994 when John is a 9-year-old.
Here is that 9 years kid I was telling you about
what happened to the guy that always posted about t1 sunglasses and t2 sunglasses. he was right
If they hadn't made Terminator 2 there wouldn't have even been a franchise. And if Terminator 2 hadn't been a successful movie they wouldn't have dreamed about making another one. Terminator 1 and 2 are the only two movies in the franchise that are at all memorable. Everything else is dogshit.
While this is obviously cringe clickbait the franchise really should go back to it's roots as sci-fi horror if they insist on making more.
Making it a straight action franchise will always have limited returns since we live in the capeshit age where superpowered heroes and villains in your standard action movie plot is the norm. There aren't many sci-fi horror franchises still trucking though since they also keep fucking up Aliens and Predator.
Sick an antagonist terminator against just humans again, they're designed and written to be scary and super hard to defeat, not always having a good robot around to get into a hand to hand fight with them.
I love all these so called journalists just writing shit to justify their shit job.
These fuckers are lower than lawyers
I hate millennials so much. You fucks inherit the Earth and you don't deserve it.
>killed it
rise of the machines is kino
salvation had the right ideas and I wish it expanded further on them
it became irredeemable in genisys
It didn't need a franchise.
before all the marvel-tier time travel and multiverse nonsene made spacetime reality shenanigans tiresome, it would have been interesting as some other anon said to have them explore the various changes made away from the initial timeline due to skynet over compensating before it's defeat by sending out its temporal blitzkrieg of terminators. so much divergence probably caused a whole mess of problems.
Cameron wanted it to be the definite final movie but the studio forced him to remove the ending where it shows Sarah as an old woman and John having children.
T1 was great but T2 was some kind of closure. The problem is some movies don't need to be a franchise.
John Wick was amazing as a stand alone movie then they kept making them and adding "lore" and it's shitty storytelling. People talk about the action but the story is now a fucking mess.
Also born on 77 as furlong.
Dangerously based
Contrarian but ultimately true
It was okay until the black guy died, the black guy always dies.
His breathing and eventual death still haunts me
>if i get a lot of clicks, it's because i wrote something intelligent an insightful
Oh Charles. Charles, Charles, Charles.
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