>Doesn't want hells reprobates invading heaven
Why would he and heaven want to allow the residents of hell to enter and ruin heaven just because the daughter of hell thinks they can be redeemed?
He's pretty based
>Doesn't want hells reprobates invading heaven
Why would he and heaven want to allow the residents of hell to enter and ruin heaven just because the daughter of hell thinks they can be redeemed?
She only wants to let the reprobates in because he keeps slaughtering them. Worst father of humanity.
Well maybe they should have accepted christ as their lord and savior and repented for their sins and love a cheist like life and not be reprobates of they didn't want to be in hell, (hazbin hotel) Adam did nothing wrong
You are not talking about the show.
>Adam is at fault for other human beings being awful bastards and sinning
Yeah okay. I guess you're also responsible for every anon who is a homosexual as well.
He's not responsible for them being bastards but he is responsible for them trying to get into Heaven since they can't enjoy hell.
People in hell are there for a reason, you have to do a lot to get to hell. Like damnation isn’t as simple as wearing mixed fabric shit, you have to live, eat, and be your sin on a daily basis.
Hence the copout Vivzie offers in the form of
>Even the angels don't know the standards!
so that later it can be treated like a TWEEST that people in Heaven aren't even necessarily good
Why did she pick the Christian afterlife? It seems she doesn’t give a shit about this and just wanted to make some musical shit. She could have easily put in substitutes. I don’t get why she thought it was a good idea outside of the edge factor. At least add purgatory or something like it to make this shit not seem so absurd.
>Why did she pick the Christian afterlife?
She hates religion.
She's so unique
The Hotel is essentially purgatory, uncertain and shit, like real life uncertainty of it. As I recall some old pope suggested it might not exist and parents of unbaptized dead babies got really upset.
Do you really want to debate religion? You'll get all sorts of insanity because that's essentially what religion is, organized schizophrenia.
She just ripped it off The Good Place
Which honestly destroys the premise of the show. Instead of genuine trying to answer the question Vivzie seem to went with the "It's rigged anyway" anwser.
Isn't that just what Calvinists believe?
That it's all rigged anyway and you can't do anything to change whether you go to hell or not?
This isn't a show about Calvinism. It's a show about second chances. Not second chances from imaginary spaghetti monsters but with real people. Heaven condemns people to eternal exile and punishment but is unable to actually articulate what the rules are and it's clear their own kind violate what those rules would be. This a metaphor for what people in this real world do to each other. Do you know what a metaphor is? It's when what is shown on the screen is referring to something not on the screen.
I mean they do, but it's still a boring answer to the question the premise asks.
>Heaven's watching
Episode 6 reveals that only a selected few (Serah and the Exterminators) know of the Extermination.
>Episode 6 reveals that only a selected few (Serah and the Exterminators) know of the Extermination.
Which isn't something anybody in Hell knew, from what it seems, which still brings us to that the average sinner would sensibly see little reason to even try to improve things. If you do, Heaven is always there to keep you down if you get uppity purely on the grounds that you're an accessible sinner.
>"It's rigged anyway" anwser.
If its rigged anyway and heaven knows the souls in hell can never ascend why not humor Charlie?
It costs heaven nothing to say if you are able to successfully rehabilitate someone they will ascend. As that is not possible no one will ascend and the problem solves itself.
It also helps maintain the illusion that the Angels know how the system they are charged with maintaining works. You could do an interesting story about an absent god, less than perfect angles, and cosmic machinery falling into disrepair without his presences but that is not the direction she is going to take.
>It costs heaven nothing to say if you are able to successfully rehabilitate someone they will ascend.
Did you even watch the show? If so do you even remember the trial? It clearly does not 'cost them nothing'.
>It clearly does not 'cost them nothing'.
What did it cost? A meeting.
They could have easily said go for it Charlie. If you succeed the soul will get vacuumed up to heaven. Until you are able to demonstrate success the exterminations unfortunately must continue on schedule.
Eventually she would figure out that regardless of her efforts the soul is irredeemable.
>What did it cost? A meeting.
Sera panicked and ended the court case. What it cost them was showing that nobody actually knows what constitutes good or bad. They just have been following orders and procedures they do not understand. If that got out people would start questioning everything. They don't know that 'if someone is good they will get vacuumed up to heaven'. They just assumed the system was always right but can't explain how
it works or why. Even the higher ups don't know how anything works. They have very strong beleifs, pass strong judgement, but cannot even articulate what those beliefs are let alone hold them up to critics.
It could cost them the entire system. She already made one of them switch. If all the secret information was gotten out there would be enough rejection and supscion of the system so heaven would
descend into anarchy. This could easily lead to something like a civil in heaven.
>She already made one of them switch.
The smaller angle switching was because of the inability of one angel to trust the other with sensitive information out of a desire to shield her from the reality of the situation the angels face.
Angels serve. They are not the guest at the resort they are the butler.
There should be no reason to hide this situation from other angels. From the human souls maybe but I can't imagine near flawless information control is out of the reach of heaven at least within heaven.
The angles don't have to understand the system beyond forces outside of our control, god, whatever decides who is in heaven and who is in hell. Saying to Charlie go ahead and try your hotel. Heaven can't offer you support and can't stop the exterminations but you try and if you find success call us.
Such an action in no way brings peril to heaven and gets the b***h out of you hair. The only peril heaven faces is their own inability to handle a situation with any tact or their failure to select a better leader for the extermination teams.
The situation with Charlie ultimately is the responsibility of Adam and his inability to find a better solution to the problem. The most obvious being when you rule a people, heaven clearly has control/rule over hell, you employ a small elite of the locals and elevate them and have them be the face of the regime.
The problem with letting any sinner from Hell into Heaven means letting the average soul living in Heaven find out about the extermination, and suddenly you have to explain to them why they're most likely never meeting their, say, astray brother again, or their dad who was an angry drinker.
>The problem with letting any sinner from Hell into Heaven
When did I say a sinner from Hell was getting into Heaven?
I am assuming its not possible and the sinners are as Adam describes them. If that is truly the understanding of those in heaven it matters not what Charlie does as her efforts will always fail.
>ascend why not humor Charlie?
Because she speaks of heresy and why humor heritics? Also humoring someone would require lying which is a sin, say what you will about Adam for example but he isn't a liar
>say what you will about Adam for example but he isn't a liar.
The joke "I never made a mistake in my fricking life" really went over your head. Your watching a furry musical gay drama and thinking it's warhammer 40k.
Why yes I didn't watch the show but when has not watching something ever stopped anyone? Hell we got people here who have watched the show and still get it wrong
Not only do you not know the show but you don't know the basic details about the story that Adam is from. You are making a fool out of yourself and being laughed at.
> Your watching a furry musical gay drama and thinking it's warhammer 40k.
They both have demons, basically the same thing
Are you serious?
Adam was literally the first human to tell a lie.
He lied to God about eating the fruit, which was why he was expelled from the garden.
Not according to opening of HH. And God is also never mentioned there.
God's mentioned on a poster in Helluva Boss, and the leaked cast notes for Sera mention 'Speaker of God'. The Seraphim work under that, whatever it is. Unless the lore changed that recently, God's a thing, or was a thing.
>People in hell are there for a reason, you have to do a lot to get to hell. Like damnation isn’t as simple as wearing mixed fabric shit, you have to live, eat, and be your sin on a daily basis.
I'm pretty sure by most definitions all you need to to to go to hell is not believe in the christian god.
And that’s a bad thing if the Christian afterlife and none other exist why? Because if Viv wanted to she could easily add Hades, Tartarus, and Elysium, or Valhalla, Folvangr, and Hel no prob.
Because it's not like you know that while you're still alive, so getting a good afterlive basically means having to win the lottery.
Getting hell is really easy. There's something like 6 or 7 billion people on the planet right now GUARANTEED to go to hell because they're not Christian. That's not even getting into Christians of the wrong denominations or who don't live well enough and will also go to hell.
Most Christians believe in purgatory, and while those religions general state that being that type of Christain is a prerequisite to going to heaven, it is almost never a prerequisite for purgatory. Biblically, the only two humans confirmed to be in heaven are the good thief and the virgin mother Mary. The only person confirmed to have gone to hell is Judas for the mortal sin of believing his sin was too great to be forgiven. Might be missing one or 2 Old Testament people but I don't think so. Based on the standards set by Jesus, it is most likely that most people end up in purgatory and almost no one past the most morally righteous of Saints make it to heaven. It crazy people pretend the Christain God is so trigger happy to send people to hell even though all you need to do is be truly sorry for your sins and ask for forgiveness not to go to hell.
>Most Christians believe in purgatory
I thought that was a somewhat niche Catholic only thing? At the very least, I grew up going to pentecostal church till I was about 20, and went to Catholic schools from 4 till 18, and purgatory was never mentioned as a thing as far as I recall.
>Might be missing one or 2 Old Testament people but I don't think so
IIRC Elijah directly ascended instead of dying.
Maybe Protestants don't, I guess I should have said Catholic (Roman, Orthodox, Etc...). They are the original Christians, so I view the whole through their lenses oftentimes. Also considering Roman Catholics and Orthodox Catholics on their own account for well over 1 billion people, maybe even 2 and Christians who don't believe in purgatory all stem from them, it's not a niche idea.
I think there is some weird wording or the idea that the gates of heaven were shut for a period of time (the reason Jesus had to die) that makes his ascent ion into heaven a grey area. Like it 100% says he ascended and this is the most nit-picky nit pick to ever pic, but I feel like there is a reason he is sometimes not included.
Elijah and Enoch are probably stored into the second heaven.
Enoch is not cannon to most forms of Christianity. Not the Roman or Orthodox Catholics. I think you only see the book of Enoch being added to the biblical cannon in some fringe protestant religions.
Read genesis 5.
I'm pretty sure Enoch the person is canon, even if Enoch the book isn't
Apparently he went to hell after crucifixion and brought a ton of righteous people to heaven?
Put them in a lil sack and lugged them all the way up the staircase no doubt.
The important people Adam, job, Moses, martyrs. Normal everyday people are left for judgment. As stated in another post there's a mistranslation of hell. It's hades and is basically a waiting room with divine punishment to repentance and basically rolling landscape to wait and pray.
>The only person confirmed to have gone to hell is Judas for the mortal sin of believing his sin was too great to be forgiven.
Hey I think thats what vampire Cain in Vampire the Masquerade was based on. Couldn't forgive himself so God made him an immortal vampire and made him walk the earth until the day of judgement.
This isn't true and a lie spouted by the Catholic church.
>Mark 3:28 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
When Jesus says he forgives all sins, he means ALL SINS, including blasphemy.
IIRC Helluva Boss's first episode shows that getting sent to Hell in this setting is piss-easy and really a matter of one accidental misstep in an otherwise pristine and perfect life. There isn't an impartial and sensible judge deciding this, it's a mechanism that's utterly obscured from anybody's comprehension.
Also don't forget about C.H.E.R.U.B. a freak accident they could not have possibly anticipated ended the life of someone who was going to kill themself anyway. So they get exiled from heaven.
Was the first episode then one with the kid or the teacher?
The teacher, I think? Something like that, I've not rewatched it in a while.
ah yes, one small mistake(murder-suicide)
Thou shall not murder, moron.
Checked
>you have to do a lot to get to hell.
No you don't
Adam Chads how we looking?
Love how he always puts a little doodle of himself
Dude is such a good artist
How did Adam “stick it to the man”?
And why is he saying sticking it to the man is a good thing? I thought the angels love the man and disapproved of sticking it to him. Lucifer got kicked out of Heaven for sticking it to the man.
>Autists actually trying to find logic in Evil Johnny Bravo's random scribbles
Bruh Adam's actual rule is "frick you, I do what I want"
Even accounting for Adam being a dumbass, it’s still weird that Sera and everyone else went along with him on it.
They're ALL moronic, was the takeaway.
I think it's moreso Sara trying to position herself as an impartial judge but clearly wanting Adam to win. Did you think she was going to correct Adam openly when he gave a shit answer?
homie it's a Vivzie show, the default assumption is that everyone is moronic until proven otherwise
Yeah, this is what comes off as the particularly sloppy storytelling to me. Sera looks like she's supposed to be the smartest one around, yet it turns out she's not only just as clueless about Heaven's moral standards as everyone else, but also simply takes the obviously-dubious subordinate Adam at his word regarding the threat of Hell's uprising without checking herself. But I guess when Hell is depicted as being so soft and "innocent" (as Emily says herself), the only way to get across Sera as a well-intentioned extremist rather than a malicious monster is to make her stupid in regarding Adam.
I'll at least give some benefit that "stick it to the man" can be interpreted positively as "stand up to bullies", which is what Angel demonstrates with Val.
>But I guess when Hell is depicted as being so soft and "innocent"
This is really funny when the pilot went out of it's way to make clear Hell is full of violent degenerates.
The pilot (which is not part of the show proper and will never have viewers directed to it by Amazon) is the worst Viv has ever depicted Hell as a shitty place inhabited by shitty people. She's been softening its image ever since over the course of Helluva Boss, making a point to show how many nice, admirable, or otherwise benign inhabitants there are. By the time we get to Hazbin's first episode, the Hell we see in Charlie's song is so much more tame compared to the initial pitch.
Cannibals eating people on the sidewalk is tame?
I just don't understand what Sera thought was going to happen with the whole court thing.
>bring princess of hell to talk about alternatives to extermination
>expect exterminations to not get brought up
Bonus points
>bring head exterminator and his bottom b***h along
Fricking moron is what Sera is. She should have arranged a private meeting for Charlie to sell the idea to her and bring whatever evidence she had to her so she could then bring the topic up in a *Closed* hearing where Charlie vaggie ect problem individuals would not be invited to.
Lute is still cutie tho.
I'd have to assume that whatever mechanism Lucifer used to getting heaven to agree to a meeting was something she couldn't keep under wraps. Or that she could not publicly justify keeping the meeting a hidden affair without outing the extermination.
Sera was banking on Adam a bit too much
>bring head exterminator and his bottom b***h along
I assume Adam and Lute are given the fake job of being heaven's "ambassadors" to hell, ergo why they were included in the court.
In a word, politics is likely why this happened. That and Adam.
yeah that did come off as really stupid
how did she expect the subject of exterminations not to come up with Charlie and the two loudmouth exterminators in one room? and why did she just rig the verdict when it was clear the hearing wasn't going her way?
she came off as extremely dumb and incompetent
Might be the first time she'd had to deal with any kind of resistance or issue in a very long time. Was hoping it would be easily resolved by Adam, and when he fricked up and her own protege started to rebel against her she panicked and shut the whole thing down in a moronic way.
100% I am expecting that the reason the exterminations are called off in episode 8 is cause either Emily forces Sera's hand or the citizens of hell demand it be put to a hold thanks to her callous and failed attempt to suppress the ordeal.
*citizens of heaven demand it be put on hold
She can't say no to Adam, and Adam has a personal guard. She can't do shit, Heaven must be the strictest place in the universe as rules are concerned.
The thing is that Sera isn't evil
how would that solution be evil? it'd just be not stupid
Sera is supposed to be a pragmatic individual who is willing to "do what must be done (lol genocide)", yet she's shown as dumb enough to not know that this whole hearing is a horrible idea. unless she was required by law to hold it or something. but then why can she just force the decision without any semblance of a fair trial?
just seems like bad writing to me that untintentionally makes her seem mentally challenged
>unless she was required by law to hold it or something.
That's pretty much what she told Adam.
She does look pretty incompetent in the trial. I guess you can cope she had a plan if Charlie brought up the executions, but since Adam admitted it, there was nothing she could do.
Yeah not everybody is fricking Lewis Strauss, Einstein
> Sera should have arranged a private meeting for Charlie to sell the idea to her
This would probably be difficult to accomplish without Emily finding it odd that she is being excluded. And it looked like keeping the secret from Emily in particular was one of Sera’s main priorities.
That's the joke.
Adam is the first sinner and he stuck it to the man, but somehow ended up in Heaven.
So getting into heaven is probably more Calvinist, where you're born blessed or cursed and there's nothing you can do about it, completely subverting the whole Free Will thing as an extra punishment.
>and he stuck it to the Man
He actually means, sticking the vegana to the MAN (Adam).
This just further shows how Vizie is literally a legbeard who doesn't think about what she's using as an analogue to get her point across.
You can probably do better with humans in an actual prison trying to leave with a review board and Charlie is just some prison rights activist lawyer who's pro bono
Calvinism believes that you're also pre-determined to be a good or shitty person. it doesn't say that God will just damn good people and accept unrepentant serial killers or something.
>Calvinism
man, Calvinism is moronic. I understand growing up in your faith, or following the OG faith, however calvinism? What kind of a weak people just choose to go with some offshot heresy, where you can just see the scammer at the other side of the table? I just dont get it, Id so much rather be alone than to rely on literal satanic scammers for my safety. I guess some people cant just cope with shitty reality
which denomination is not an offshoot heresy though? catholicism and orthodoxy just split in a bid for power, anglicanism was literally created just so the English monarchy would have more power...
Twist. This Adam never are the fruit of knowledge, and so has no understanding of good and evil, and just does whatever he wants and remains sinless just as a lion that eats someone isn't sinning.
But Lilith and Lucifer exist. This doesn’t make sense.
Yes. But you only need one difference. Eve eating the fruit, but not Adam. Does he look and act like he ate of the fruit of wisdom/knowledge of good and evil?
Adam acts like a guy that’s on some severe sedations in his attempt to forget about Eve. He’s been eating ribs, getting angst up when one angel chick dies, constantly banging, and naming angel girls based on “the most awesome thing”.
Adam redemption arc when? In truth, he's a nice guy and Eve left him like this
Adam acts more like a Joe Biden and he is super sedated in his conscience attempts to forget about Eve while subconsciously lingering for her from how he names his angel girls after “the most awesome thing ever”, constantly eating ribs, constantly seeking sex, abandoning Vaggie for getting allured by sinners, and getting super angst after one of his angels get killed.
Lucifer is crying in his designated cuck shed.
Just realized he did that stupid S thing that everyone drew back when I was younger. Is Adam based off some dudebro in middleschool/highschool Vivie knew?
he's a stereotypical high school jock
Man if they do kill the shit out of him for being too cool i hope at least he goes out via ripping every one a new butthole first starting with all the worst characters..
Nifty kills him by stabbing him hundreds of times. No one cares including other angels and it's treated as a joke. This is already confirmed.
Damnit this is why we can't have nice things.
Serves you right
You trusted Viv to deliver a satisfying character arc!
Source?
It's been wfat this board has been discussing the past few days. A leaker dropped by and gave big plot spoilers. They were confirmed in episodes 5 and 6. Adam and Pentious die in the finale.
NTA what receipts did they have to back up those claims besides “trust me bro”
They said events that would happen in later episodes that hadn't aired at that point would happen
I don’t think Adam dies. Vox is the one who does because his theme is digital enslavement and Adam and Lute seemingly got their masks from him.
Adam just looks like that. He eats, has eyebrows (unlike other angels) and angels can look quite monstrous.
The exterminators' masks just look like him because they are his 'band' or his fangirls.
Adam is literally born and died in an era without technology. That literal digital screen isn’t his face nor fits into his theming. If anything, it could be foreshadowing that Vox is the mastermind here, playing both sides to become a great overlord.
this idea about Vox controlling exorcists is stupid
Vox is shown as a fricking pushover who gets BTFO'd by Alastor despite all the powerbase he carefuly built in Alastor's absence
how would someone like him ever be able to control the exorcists, who could easily kill all of hell if the angelic higher ups let them?
They just assume because the helmet is an LED screen Vox automatically can have control over it because he's the screen demon or whatever.
Pretty unlikely, on the off chance he can project an image to it, it's just a helmet, they can take it off like Lute and Vaggie and just keep killing.
> they can take it off like Lute and Vaggie and just keep killing.
No. When Vaggie took it off, she lost her composure and became more reluctant to kill.
>When Vaggie took it off, she lost her composure and became more reluctant to kill
Its cuz she was about to kill a child and instead she spared him
She found a kid immediately, the others will keep killing all the sinning homosexuals at will.
I'm pretty sure the helmets have nothing to do with Vox. the show's character designs are inconsistent and weird for no reason other than "Viv thought it looked cool"
Adam's face just looks like that for no reason and the others wear helmets.
the idea that some random mediocre ex-televangelist of an overlord either made the helmets or can use them to control the exorcists is silly
there's no need to overthink things in a show that clearly isn't that clever or subtle
Adam and the Exorcist have gotten worse coincidentally when Vox was rising up into power and taking advantage of the exterminations. Vox is also a televangelist. Meaning, he would be the most likely sinner to convince Adam and angels into making deals with him.
>Vox is shown as a fricking pushover
I wonder what will writers do about it when he becomes main antagonist in season 2
They just can't stop jerking Alastor off
Vox's whole schtick is about manipulation rather than direct fighting
What if the leak was about Vox’s death.
The biggest issue with the “Adam dies theory” is that in the trailer, the former televangelist, Vox, is screaming “You all will &@&&&& die” over and over, when the extermination is happening.
And by looking at Adam and the angels, they all have digital Vox-like masks on. (No angels in heaven have techno themes and Adam lived and died without technology)
It is also confirmed that Vox will be in the last two episodes. Meaning he is either a minor character or he’s secretly the true main antagonist of the season that tries to use this extermination to kill off Alastor and the other overlords once and for all.
He might be talking to Alastor if he's asking the overlords for help, we see Rosie seemingly shows up with the cannibals to Charlie's side at least. I don't think Vox can simple take over the exterminator's masks. Would have done it long ago if that were the case and gained so much more influence for being able to fight back.
I just dont want the writers killing him and Lute at the end of the season. Dude deserved more screen time.
Lute confirmed in season 2. So her arc is probably avenging Adam. And with V's writing, she'll probably have an episode where they tell her Adam is a dick and Lute will decide that the man she's known for hundreds of years as a friend she actually hates now and will ditch him
You forgot the part where she becomes a raging homosexual "that has been liberated" because deep down she knew she was a muff muncher.
Frick Viv. God will piss on this.
Did they slice out Vaggie's eye and stomp on it or stab it out and stab it while it was on the ground? I forgot because muh pacing
I believe it was a slice and stomp
I think it's weird how at first Adam wanted vaggie to come back to be an exterminator. Like is it even possible to grow winge back or she would be the only just ground angel?
They probably just give her back her Halo and shit, Vaggie isn't a fallen angel
Amazon did an oopsie back before the series premiered and had a still of a winged Vaggie hugging Charlie on the Prime Video page. Angels can grow them back.
Please please PLEASE spare him, I want to see him have beef with Lucifer and be together with our greatest grandmama Eve again
I genuinely don't think they have the writing chops to do something like this, but no matter how the series ends I want Adam to end up at the hotel with Charlie or whoever is running it by then trying to redeem him.
Adam bros, what if we combined our autism and imagined Pentious and Adam tag team in the super heaven/super hell/Buddhist hell/wherever souls go when they die again? I don't want to imagine either character just disappearing forever, frick vivzieplp lore
if people can die in heaven or hell if really defeats the point of them.
You know for some reason I like to imagine Adam doing a Stone cold lock of the Century of the week.
...oh frick you, now I can't unthink that concept.
I want to hate this show
I do hate this show a bit
but I love charlie so much, she's adorable.
Charlie can be annoying, but you can never really dislike her for it
After the pilot, Charlie was the only character I liked.
After 6 episodes I like pretty much everyone
(Vaggie and Angel Dust still have to grow on me)
They made Alastor into sort of a b***h. Things get to him and make him freak out now. Pilot Alastor would never.
He had a robot look especially the LED face.
I thought he would look more normal as his real form
My thing is, Hell IS a punishment. Souls sent down there are supposed to burn and suffer forever. So making that a point of conflict is ridiculous.
the whole first episode should have told you that it's not a 1 to 1 copy of christianity
This, they already had redemption in the form of Jesus and all it does to be accepted that way is to "let him into your heart" and follow his virtues as best as you can. So effectively, if you're on your death bed and already did the best you could. Believing in jaysus is your one way ticket to heaven. Lmao.
There exists no finite crime for which eternal torment is an appropriate recompense.
> Uh, rejecting god!
No. Not even that.
Stop gratifying your sadism by tearing at the fly's wings and just deliver oblivion onto those judged unworthy.
Or better yet, subject a impure souls to a cycle of reincarnation until they grow enough to meet your criteria.
God is infinite.
This is not Christian Hell, this is Pop Culture Modern Christian Hell, where your deeds determine where you go.
>where your deeds determine where you go
and thats why Santa Claus is the devil
Imagine the tweets Viv would make if she found out people actually liked Adam.
Why do you think she's killing Pentious off? Viv HATES it when people like the wrong characters, or hate the wrong characters
Sounds like a WWE writer
If Vivzie went full Vince McMahon she'd include a smug self-insert that makes her favourite breed of twink go down on her for money, and scream IT WAS ME CHARLIE at an opportune moment to reveal who was really behind Hell's creation
It's likely cause of contract issues with Alex Brightman.
Why do you people think it's done retroactively, or are you implying she can see into the future and rewrote the script because she saw people would like Adam ?
Adam is one of her favorite characters anon, she tweeted about loving him and Lute a bunch of times.
Liking the villain of her cartoon is not the own you think it is.
Does she like Vox?
Viv definitely seems the person who understands the importance of having a good/entertaining antagonist
We all have seen Ozzie and Fizz.
Adam and Lute are non-gay version of that.
Ironic since Adam is Fizz's voice actor.
It needs to be next week already so this series can be done with and disappear for another 5 years. I don't know if I'll even bother with the second season out of curiosity considering how lousy this one was.
If angels can fall then why can't demon's rise up? Can't have corruption without purification
All demons are fallen angels in the Christain mythology. Demons cannot be redeemed because all angels were fully aware of God, His plan, and his goodness. Unlike humans who have the excuse of witnessing the truth of the world firsthand, the fallen angels did. The sin of the demons is greater then any sin a human could commit by an infinite margin.
>Demons cannot be redeemed because all angels were fully aware of God, His plan, and his goodness. Unlike humans who have the excuse of witnessing the truth of the world firsthand, the fallen angels did. The sin of the demons is greater then any sin a human could commit by an infinite margin.
That's mostly a theory made up by theologists rather than something in the bible, the closest we have to demons not being redeemed is simply because the bible itself foretold none of them would want to be redeemed because God is omniscient and already saw the future where they rebel to the end. So maybe they can but they won't.
Its demonology and angelology that not only predates the bible but the Christain religion. You have to remember that the Bible as a cannon document was created in council of Nicea as a tool to aid in the mass. It was far from the only source of relevant text in the basal forms of Christianity. You have to remember that the idea of the bible being the only cannon documents and all you need are protestant concepts to form centuries after the bible came into being. In both Roman and Orthodox Catholic Churches, it is not a theory but a canonical explanation for demons, supported by church dogma. There is a great deal of theories and interpretations to be extrapolated from that and all angelology/demonology, but that is not debatable.
>Christian mythology
Depending on which part you are in the Bible, they are either just other gods that YHWH is beating down, angels working for YHWH to test humanity or random evil spirits (which are just OC evil gods).
Also, a lot of identification between 'fallen angels' and demons is just bad translations from ancient Hebrew or ancient Greek translations of ancient Hebrew.
Again, the bible isn't all there is to the "mythology" behind the religion, unless your form of Christianity traces back to Martin Luther.
no demons want to be in hell if they wanted to repent they could but they don't want to they really are just bad dudes
Adam and Lute are the cutest together.
>Their ending is about going all back to the style of Eden (No Clothes)
Imagine.
Lord knows we could stand to benefit some female nudity in a Vivzie cartoon
>It only shows their heads, legs, and silhouettes
Would that be good?
Adam vs adam
Records of Ragnarök is awful and even if Adam's fight was one of the only 2 fights that was good, I still prefer the homosexual tumblerina webtoon version of adam.
i fricking hate anime
i fricking love anime
What's with Castlevania and this series that turns everyone into theologist at best and fantastics at worst?
Him and Lute being hype buddies in all the songs is awesome. You really get the feeling that those two are besties who bonded over slaughtering those sinning fricks in hell and I want more of that.
What sounds better?
>Adam getting killed, making Lute go berserk.
Or
>Lute getting killed, making Adam drops his act and hold her dead body.
>Lute getting killed, making Adam drops his act and hold her dead body.
This one
second would have more impact
Lute is honestly just Adam's second fiddle so far, she's not particularly entertaining or noteworthy on her own.
they'd have to give her a serious glowup to turn her from minor sidekick into someone worth caring about, Gary from Venture Bros style. but I doubt the Hazbin team has the writing chops to pull that kind of arc off
>they'd have to give her a serious glowup to turn her from minor sidekick into someone worth caring about, Gary from Venture Bros style
They'll definitely do that.
Reasons why Adam is the best character in Hazbin so far:
>he actually has a motivation to be eternally pissed off at Lucifer and everyone in hell: He was supposed to be the first king, he witnessed paradise and was cucked out of it twice
>he actually acts. So far none of the characters actually did shit, he is the only one moving the narrative further
>he is one of the few, if not the only character to express genuine joy
>related: his facial animations are among the most expressive in the entire series, he is fun to watch
>he has the best songs
>judging by Lute, he is a nice chap to have a hobby with together
His only crime is that he doesn't see the souls in hell as worth anything and who would be surprised by that considering it is literally the worst shithole ever.
Is HB Heaven still canon? I mean they did seem to have rules there of what keeps you in heaven.
He is also the only one whose flaws are not used for drama like Angel Dust or Charlie.
Well maybe if he wasn't afraid of doing cowgirl then it wouldn't have started a chain reaction that lead to him getting exiled from the garden.
>His only crime is that he doesn't see the souls in hell as worth anything and who would be surprised by that considering it is literally the worst shithole ever.
And even Lucifer echoes his opinion.
Would you rather be in Super Meat Boys Hell or Hazbin Hotels Hell
>His only crime is that he doesn't see the souls in hell as worth anything and who would be surprised by that considering it is literally the worst shithole ever.
Isn't it interesting that Lucifer holds the same views?
Ayo what's stopping pepo in Hell from not being shit for 5 minutes and turning Hell into not-Hell?
Shh, don't. If someone has a better place than you, you are entitled to go there instead of cleaning your own shit up.
Lucifer seemingly tried it and it didn't work in the slightest because of sinners being sinners. As a bonus, you've also got the fact that Heaven's watching.
Odds are, exterminations to begin with could've started as attempts to ensure the punishment is a punishment, for Lucifer above all, but for the humans, too.
They've established that the extermination is not something that heaven thinks is good. It's being done by a few higher ups in secret.
People like you are just totally incapable of comprehending this cartoon. It can tell you exactly what is going on and why. They can even sing it to you! And you will just forget it happened and subsitute it with how you think it would go do with 'real christianity' is. Like you can't differentiate your opinion about how the show ought to be from what is actually happening.
First, please keep this moronic real christianity argument out of this reply chain. There's two guys talking about calvinism, go converse with them, don't make me feel dirty to even be getting (you)s from you.
Second, yes, the cartoon has demonstrated that the Heaven leadership in the form of Sera thinks exterminations are a bad thing and a necessity to prevent an uprising caused by Hell getting simply way too many sinners to work with. Incidentally, the current situation is such that any sort of cooperation is nigh-impossible; the warlords of the Pride ring aren't incapable of working together, but they're made up of people like Alastor and Vox. Backstabbing, frickery of various sort and overall incompetence are guaranteed, practically. The supply of angelic weapons left by Exterminators ensures that sinners can kill each other permanently. It's practically a problem that solves itself - except Adam insists on doing this, because he's expressly very much for Hell being Hell.
You can quite literally see him sing at you that he's doing tthe exterminations because to him it's fun, it's morally right because sinners are irredeemable, and because punishing them further is just. Is it clicking for you yet? Do you need somebody to digest this even further, mr. calvinism discussion hopeful?
>Adam insists on doing this, because he's expressly very much for Hell being Hell.
hell is forever unless we kill you with a magic weapon and then you for real die no after after life
If Adam was concerned with the morality of the situation he would work to ensure as many sinners remained "alive" in hell for well ever
In Hazbin when a sinner dies they get turned into a part of Hell itself. You more or less go from living in giant, very red Detroit, to being a tree on Detroit's outskirts somebody pisses on. Very unfortunate and probably horrible.
Did you reply to the wrong person?
No, anon, I replied to the person injecting the inane 'waa real christianity' bit into an argument about Hazbin Hotel's plot to frick off and talk to the calvinist argument people instead of me very intently, thank you.
I am the person you replied to. My post was that talking about 'real Christianity' has no place in this.
And why would you bring it up in any way, shape or form in the first place? Did me describing the events of the show somehow make you think I was talking about Christianity?
If it's anything like real life, Heaven and the Exterminators would likely kill those people improving things first and leave out the shittiest people so they can point and say their status is just in their nature.
it's confirmed to be the opposite. vivs said exterminators kill the absolute worst first
Like Vaggie nearly killed that kid? The fricking monster child, I keep saying. Probably tortured ants, arsoned orphanages, stole kitkats.
if kid got sent to hell he just had to be extra horrible
I think this is going to be the ultimate solution. They'll have the war or something at the end of season one, then they are going to try to make hell better instead of simping for heaven.
>I think this is going to be the ultimate solution. They'll have the war or something at the end of season one
This was already spoiled in the trailer btw.
Defeatist attitude. You're already in the worst place ever for eternity, surrounded by some of the worst people to have ever lived. Combined that with the fact you're probably going to die in one of the yearly mini genocides and you've got little incentive to try and improve things.
Because they’re all the same unrepentant scumbags they were in life.
They'll rename it Nevaeh
why africans and middle easterners can't?
What's stopping third-worlders from turning their home into somewhere nice?
being genetical failures
"Why can't you turn hell into a nice place" is something someone making fun of right wingers would say.
There needs to be a balance, a prison for the bad and peace for the good
in the show it liteerally is just a place, it's 100% sinners' fault it sucks
The yearly genocides sound like a pretty good reason.
yes, it's angels fault that sinners can't stop raping an murdering each other, totally.
If not for angels Val would be a swell guy, just like sugardaddy asmodeous from (consentual)lust circle
Would YOU try to build a better society if you KNEW you will get killed at next genocide?
There is a good reason why Charlie is among the only good ones in hell, she's too strong to be killed in the genocide, the other ones that are just as kind as her are the first targets, because they're weak.
Adam even said, explicitly confirmed, with a smug face that he'll visit the Hotel first, so the angels are targeting the good bastions of hell on purpose.
hell people are canonically Black folk
>Ayo what's stopping pepo on Earth from not being shit for 5 minutes and turning Earth into not-Earth?
Because people want power and control. You can't do that if everyone is happy and you're doing good things.
Getting chained to the bed by Alastor.....
man, those chains are looking flat as hell
Look at the one on the left just above his fist!
It's literally a flat-image! It's like a storefront in a GTA game! It's flat!
I don't blame them
Drawing chains sucks
Do you think Adam told Serra "make me a sandwich" before? For a misogynist he sure takes orders from women
> He did
> She transforms him into a turkey sandwich for a day as punishment for his impiety.
> *some time later*
> Adam: "Lute! Baby!"
> Lute: "Adam? Where are you?"
> Adam: "On the meeting table Lute.
> Lute: "Have you turned yourself invisible again? I swear to the almighty if you drench another one of my shirts in vodka just to see my nipples I'll dropkick you into saturn!"
> Adam: "Ke-heheh... Flip the sandwich over."
> Lute: What, so I'm going to touch it and then you're going to tell me its made out of demon foreskins or something?
>Adam: "Just flip the sandwich over babe! I promise you won't regret it. The payoff is huge."
> *Lute hesitantly turns the sandwich over*
> Adam: "Serra made me a sandwich Lute! Bam! Big Reveal! I'm a sandwich now! A sandwich Lute! She turned me into a sandwich! I'M AN ADAM SANDWICH!!!"
That is hilarious
funniest shit I ever seen
I love my wife lute
He's actually much, much more like the denizens of hell and would likely enjoy their company more.
He did say he liked the vibe in the first meeting.
Do you think we'll be seeing Eve this season, or next season?
Need lewd art of background angels
Does anyone have that picture of Cherri and Sir Petenious where’s he’s eating a lollipop and she’s saying OH SWEET SATAN HE IS TOO CUTE? I’ve been looking and I can’t find it!
Why are they so cute bros?
Stupid b***hes.
my wife is going to spear charlie and not in a good way
When you’re a piece of shit through your entire life, and never repent, you go to Hell. Anyone who goes there deserves it for squandering every single last chance they had by living a life of sin. What’s so hard to understand about that?
So if a serial killer repents they get into heaven?
thats how Christianity works yeah. If you say you are sorry anything you did goes away
Except for being gay apparently.
A little electricity fixes that up.
well I mean you can be gay or bi, trans whatever your whole life and then just make sure you say sorry before you die and its all good. I dunno man religion is dumb but I mean Christian god is cooler than muslim god atleast
just don't ever do anything sexual and youre good
>If you say you are sorry anything you did goes away
does the simple utterance of the words = repentance?
to bring this back to the show
those in hell clearly belong in hell, they love being in hell, they love the drugs and the violence
it is their home and to deny them that would be cruel
Yeah, Angel sure loves being raped.
i love heroin even after the horrible w/d and always start it again. My point being that Angel is not being raped and deep down he does it because for whatever reason he enjoys it.
Don't priests tell you how to repent in the confessional booth? Simple shit, can't remember the phrasing at the moment.
No, you need to be genuine. Anon's a moron.
No. Repentance isn’t just saying sorry and apologizing. You need to genuinely accept what you did was wrong, feel guilt for what you’ve done, and desire redemption.
he literally said repent you dumb homosexual
Serial killers can’t repent because they feel no genuine remorse for what they’ve done.
If you murder people again and again, you don’t feel bad about it.
>hypothetical
Pretty sure hypothetical are still supposed to have realistic chances of actually happening.
hypothetically could you stop posting and go back?
Yes. That's how Christ works.
>Be an alright person
>Decide to be a Buddhist or something
>Eternal damnation
Other religions don’t exist in the Vivzieverse.
Is that stated anywhere?
They singing about heaven not following own rules.
the point is that if people can just get to heaven then start acting like complete buttholes and still get an eternal free ride while people that genuinely repent still get to rot in hell forever the system does not make sense and is not fair
I mean, it's easy to feel guilty of what you've done once you're burning for it.
And it's easy to feel complacent once you know your place in heaven is assured for all eternity. What's your point ?
Eternal reward/punishment only makes sense if you assume people from that point on cannot change, which is moronic
>Eternal reward/punishment only makes sense if you assume people from that point on cannot change, which is moronic
It’s literally God. He can literally do that.
where's god in hazbin hotel ?
Good point Hazbin Hotel is lawless and Godless, begone and depart from me.
Because you already got your chance, you were literally warned. Like Adam said, a man once lives once.
but that's literally untrue since they live twice and can even be killed twice
Then take it to the hell/heaven of that second after life
>why do you say you "only live once" when people are shown to be able to learn, grow and change in that afterlife
>because...because you just do, okay !!!
talking to religious people is always an exercise in frustration because they subtitute logical thinking with empty platitudes, not that cringy atheists are usually much better but this is just embarassing.
It is what it is. The whole idea of hell is somewhat stupid anyway, since why the frick would you have to suffer literally forever for some mistakes you made in a very short amount of time? People only like it because they fantasize about shoving their enemies there, like Dante, or they're in their edgy phase, think they're different from everybody else, and it would be cool to go there.
The eternal god provides eternal consequences. Don’t argue against it.
If God really exists, I think a far better soul management would be similar to Five People We Meet In Heaven provided the 'adventure' continues in another plane/world/reality
You have the Bible. Fricking read it.
The Bible I own is in german and my german is quite shit
the dog ate my bible
That's why a purgatory type situation makes more sense.
Eternal suffering in the afterlife is just so they can get you to follow whatever rules that religion is trying to set. Imagine if everyone actually followed no. 6-10 of the ten commandments? Would be nice.
>Eternal reward/punishment only makes sense if you assume people from that point on cannot change, which is moronic
The eternal reward is:
>Literally singing god praises forever(no, you can't opt out of the choir)
>Feel good about being one of the chosen few not being horribly tortured, since part of the whole reason hell exists is so God can show how merciful he is to his chosen few and they can praise him for his clemency
That's it.
Right now, there's a lake of fire in, as Jesus says, Hades and separated by an invisible wall, a field of nothing quite literally you're there until judgment when God will destroy the wall the fire will start to slowly rise up until there's nothing left. From there those deem truly evil and unworthy are to spend eternity in hell.
You really going to say the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being can't figure out who is going to burn forever?
You forgot these two things.
>Being sexy.
>Getting a sexy soul mate
>doing the deed for the glory of God.
Coomer with down syndrome.
indeed
I think only Adam gets the pass, others can turn "Fallen".
Emilybros stay winning
Good God she's so cute
What are you going to do when she’s fallen and made into a dyke?
Kill myself
>everyone is literally a closeted homosexual
I hate this
+1
Win 10 bucks
not that anon but i love yuri
Laugh at Vaggie getting cucked.
Holy shit what a bawd
Usually bawds deter me but there's something weirdly funny about an angel becoming obsessed with degenerate sex that gives me conflicting feelings
It's the ultimate corruption of the symbol of purity and turning her into a degenerate lesbo bawd, very kinky very nice
But it's still cuckold if I was her bf and she just had sex with 200 people. Maybe if I was corrupting her myself then it would be better and I would get to see how she reacts to everything I would do to her myself instead of her just doing sex with strangers
>Serra's planning to do the same thing
But on a serious note imagine if Emily actually got sent down as an envoy and had to explore hell to figure all the sinful shit they do. The main cast would have to watch her 24/7 for her to not get into trouble.
She can just fly above the demons, I dont think demon weapons to anything to angels
So is Charlie, its more of protecting her from deals and getting manipulated.
it always the quiet ones
>Valetino but a ban on Emily in his movies becuase of tired out his enter staff, and velvets and vox.
>she moves onto Velvet Vox and Val, even Carmine and her daughters
>Zestial last longer then most, but that because Emily loves some Gilfs
>Emily finds both Lilith and Eve, fricks the evil out of both of them.
Have you ever seen a sheltered girl in a sorority?
>Lilith,rosie, roo, and god all get in a lesbian sex contest
>Sera is watching it all.
>Eastern orthodox
>Don't know how getting into heaven actually works
Checks out
Reminder that people that killed by Exterminators don’t actually die for good. Their souls just become one with Hell itself.
I expect the Emily Charlie thing to be contained here for the memes, didn't expect it to be so widespread. Why is Vaggie ignored by pretty much everyone?
>Vaggie
Who?
>Why is Vaggie ignored by pretty much everyone?
because she is a stupid prostitute
Charlie will forgive anyone and to Vaggie to think that she would be unable to see part her being an angel is beyond stupid. Her only response to Adam should have been I will tell her first and it won't matter because we love each other or some nonsense like that.
vaggie is also a traitor who cant follow orders unlike lute who is perfect
Truly best girl
Because she's damned near a nobody. If she's a former exterminator she could have given Charlie actual direct advice on heavenly knowledge. And/or the moment Charlie said she wanted to talk to someone above Adam she should have confessed who she was and tried to advise her from there, with Lucifer's help since he also has prior experience with heaven.
Literally no scream time. And her song wasn't very good. Didn't help she shared it with a nobody we literally knew nothing about.
>And her song wasn't very good. Didn't help she shared it with a nobody
ah, classic veggie, punching below pretty much any character introduced in the series
Vaggie exists only in Charlie's shadow. She has no character on her own.
Her personality is just being a drill sergeant for the hotel, acting like TF2 Soldier or GW2 Footsoldier (probably cuz she was an exterminator angel)
No interesting screen time, and she's much uglier than Emily as well.
>boring
>stupid name
>uptight killjoy
>the vanilla status quo option
>no sexual chemistry with Charlie, they barely seem like a pair
the exterminator background does at least give her some development, but she's still not an entertaining character
Sixhead
The downgrade from the pilot to the actual show is astounding. Especially the lack of emotion in Charlie.
I don't know how this show manages to look worse than helluva boss despite it being supposedly backed by big money
what was the fricking point then ?
The animation feels stiffer. The pilot has this amateurish look, but its more fluid. The final product looks okay, but it definitely has the corporation-product type of look.
>The pilot has this amateurish look, but its more fluid
the fluid animation gave it a very Disney feel as they usually had the money to spend on actual animation
which helped with Charlie and gave her character a real innocence
You can notice how the final product looks more clean and rigid, as it implies that more digital assistance was involved too.
Its expected that something like
has some noticeable transform tool stuff too to save time.
>that hairline
They made it even more red????
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
And obliterated Vaggie’s hairline
in the bottom pic they're not even looking in each other's eyes...
It's the raised hair, don't know why they did that.
Was the Mimzy saying she ones 50k coincidence? Or is it viv acknowledging the best Charlie ship of all , VerbaleseXCharlie?
that scene was written, finalized and voiced years ago bro
>Verbalase x Charlie
The best ship actually this remind me of charlie x doomguy and there son being Steven universe
the audio quality of the part where she says it's 50k is weirdly different from the lines before or after.
i wouldn't put it past them if it was like 30k before and redubbed that single line for the joke
>So, Adam, what did you mean by "You're an angel just like us"?
>Did you leave one of your angels in hell? What for?
>A child? There's a child sinner in there?
>What? You weren't even killing sinners but random hellspawn there?
I wonder if they're going to change his design much when him and Pentious swap places
German Adam sounds fricking awesome.
Adam = Aryan
They're cute
https://twitter.com/Whiteartblood/status/1751180896693268907?t=n8WlP8gLUiw9fBxgVkTd1w&s=19
Royal Halo, Radiobelle...the ship names for Charlie and anyone else not Vaggie is so much better and beautiful. The only other alt names for Chaggie I could find are Varlie and Business Partners.
For all the butthole talk of Adam we only ever saw him be a butthole to demons who he got a reason to hate. Meanwhile the only nice people in hell are former angels. What is Viv trying to tell us?
It's pretty much accepted by the show that people go to hell for a reason. It's not arbitrary. The moral grey part is whether a soul can repent while in hell.
Speaking on that, Adam did seem to totally be onboard with Charlie until she actually got around to explaining her plan and what she wanted to do. If Charlie’s plan actually was the herpies or math thing, I’m 99% sure he would have just bro’d out with her.
He did seem to genuinely enjoy just talking and rambling at her, and his “so how was your weekend” didn’t seem to have any actual malice in it as well.
>Adam was just hazing Charlie and she didn’t pass the check
Would Dante be a fanfictoion writer in hazbin?
I can see viv doing that as a joke?
Hell in hazbin hotel isn't a punishment. It's just an empty dumpiing ground for all the buttholes heaven doesn't take. There's no torture besides the ones sinners inflict on each other. If lucifer felt like being a strongman dictator he could probably straighten this shit out in a few centuries and we'd have heaven 2, or at least I dunno, earth 2. Even charlie could work on bettering the living conditions there without worrying about whatever happens in heaven.
That's why the extermination is needed narratively, otherwise there's no reason to involve heaven at all. That means the endgame probably isn't to get sinners to heaven but to stop heaven from doing the extermination and then use that momentum to get sinners to truly consider how to make their home a place worth living in.
Is it normal that Im apathetic towards death, racism, and zionism?
Yes
at some point you might encounter them irl, up until this moment, no. Remember that future engineers, lawyers and doctors can strike without warning. The fact that you work your ass off and are still poor is due somebody else enjoying the fruits of your labour.
>Doomgays couldn't even boycott this properly
Crying
As a Southerner it irks me to no end how "ya'll" has been co-opted by armchair activists
It’s been co-opted by blacks first. That’s why twittergays use it too.
wtf? the last place in the usa to have black slaves was the south and they always kept to their black areas once being freed so they never dropped their southern quirks thats why blacks talk like cowboys just replace partner with homie you hate to hear it but a lotta blacks really do sound like boomhauer
>boycott show
>unintentionally shill show
lol
lmao
KEK
Sure, because boycotting totally stopped Wonka from making 500 million worldwide
>Drove off his first wife so God had to make him a clone so he wouldn't be a virgin
>Listened to a woman and got kicked out of Eden
>Chocked on an apple so hard it became part of male biology
>Raised his kids wrong and one of them invented murder
He's God's first little nepobaby. Now where are the actual good angels like Michael?
Other arch-angels almost certainly exsit, we got a small hint of what may be them (or other Seraphim?) during Lucifer's song.
If they're so important then why didn't they show up to the trial?
The show has introduced so many fricking characters that I don't think we can handle anymore. Barely enough time to digest the characters we have let alone introducing any other angel characters.
Also, Michael's existence in particular would be a plothole unto itself.
Being on Satan wrangling duty is his job. Like, the only reason he wouldn't be involved in the Extermination is because he's the guy who solos Lucifer while also being one of the friendliest and chillest of the Angels in all 3 Abrahamic religions.
Meaning Vivzie would either
>Make him the guy Adam answers to and an abusive butthole
>Charlie's hardass yet goodhearted uncle who hasn't been in touch with his brother but kinda actually misses him, bullied him while they were growing up
Why would Michael get involved? Luci hasn't shown his face in years. No need to watch a patient in self-containment.
Which one is Sera?
she doesn't really match any of those silhouettes but if i had to guess, the furthest on the right
Do Cain and Abel even exist?
Charlie mentioned Cain as Adam's one mistake at the meeting. it gave Adam vietnam flashbacks and Lute chastised Charlie for upsetting Adam by reminding him of his kids killing eachother
If thats how he reacted to just the mention of his direct sons then his more bombastic personality makes sense if you figure he is either in 24/7 denial or some other full copium overdose/mental gymnastics that hell is basically where most of his actual descendants will be going to. Even better if you figure how many are basically carbon copies of him. Being cast out of paradise and wandering around for almost 1000 years before you die, seeing the whole thing with Cain and Able, then going to basically murdering countless numbers of your grandchildren will get to anyone one way or another eventually.
I honestly think Adam’s mask is a sedation from Hell (Vox) that he depends on to remain sane. Because Adam’s and Lute’s masks don’t look heavenly in origin.
I don't remember that happening
wait, I think I dreamt that or something. nevermind lmao
Fanart.
Yeah he exist and also leading a cult who worship green power meth
>Prime shows about angels and demons with similar themes and fanbases
How would a crossover fare out?
I think good omens fans hate hazbin.
That said I can see Vivzie getting David Tennant and that pissing off that fanbase. He's on ducktales and moon girl, why couldn't he be on hazbin
>I think good omens fans hate hazbin.
That's true in the case of those radical trannies with palestine flag next to their username from twitter but on tumblr, those fanbases get along surprisingly well, pic related has almost 2k notes.
Give Good Omens cast some cameo in HH
adam is just pissed because Lucifer cucked him, maybe twice
Also if any demon can get to heaven, it's just Charlie because she didn't commit any sins, she was just born there
Do exterminators target overlords? It's pretty hard to imagine them doing anything against Alastor. Vox can just turn into electricity and get out. Val is pretty vulnerable unless he hooks them on drugs.
Guessing Exterminators go after the easy targets. Overlords are likely hunkered down in their private bunkers whereas there's plenty of idiots roaming the streets.
If you got a 200 person kill quota who are you going to target? The person who just plopped down into hell a week ago and is still in denial or the guy who shoots lightning from his fingertips and is in the fuhrerbunker.
Sure, you could kill the lightning overlord but that's a lot of effort. Just kill the random shmuck and go home.
Overlord are not really big compared to the big players.
It's like
>Overlords = CEO of big companies
> Stolas = Royalty
> Sins = Eternal beings that mostly dick around being. So above danger they don't even care. Not comparable with what we have on earth.
Overlords probably hide in their special bunker. Angels care about the numbers above anything else .
Angelic weapons can kill royalty.
They can kill overlord easy.
is this even canon? hell's hierarchy is confusing and never really properly stated
Viz said that Stolas is above Alastor. Their power work differently., but it's still a step above.
Lucifer is the strongest sin ( the absolute king of Hell) and the Sins are just below him .
Sinners are immortal unless killed by an angel.
Imp are the bottom with the Hellhounds. Hellhounds can literaly be killed at the pound
>Viz said that Stolas is above Alastor
Does that mean Striker could body Alastor?
With a consecrated weapon, I guess yes?
It's official, but I doubt we'll ever see the primary tiers in direct conflict. And there's more variables too like Stolas not taking Striker seriously until he was already tied up with holy rope and stuff nullifying his power.
maybe this image is more about political power than anime power levels?
so Alastor can be pretty damn dangerous one on one, but he's still just some upstart radio host in the grand scheme of things
while someone like Stolas is proper royalty with estates, guards and all that. and Lucipher is the guy who makes the phonecalls to Heaven and is in charge of all the circles
I don't think you can get authority in hell without direct power. So it's both.
pretty sure they just cull the weak. all they care about is the population going down and their killcount going up, right?
killing an overlord takes effort and a new one will just rise in his place. not to mention all the power struggles keep demons fighting eachother, divide and conquer and all that shit
So this entire "fallen" thing, I assume either Emily or Sera will become fallen, depends on if they go Heaven Bad route
Who even decides who becomes fallen though? With Lucifer it was because he did the big oopsies at the beginning of time, and everyone collectively agreed he fricked up. But now Sera and many others in heaven are questioning how heaven/hell works, so it's not a unanimous decision that everyone who disagrees should go to hell. Is it an automated thing that they don't know how it works like who goes to Heaven? Just weird
>Is it an automated thing that they don't know how it works like who goes to Heaven
that's the assumption, yeah. they said people just kind of pop next to the gates and are admitted. if they don't appear at the gates, they weren't worthy, simple as
Adam has no idea what the criteria is, which suggests most people in heaven don't actually know.
Its possible Sera knows what it is but is not willing to divulge it.
It can't be a case of no one getting into heaven since we saw plenty of people in it, and heaven is expecting new arrivals. But its clear no one has given much thought to how you get in.
>Who even decides who becomes fallen though
The strong implication is that there is no criteria for how you fall to hell. That is decided by the leaders of heaven. So there's an active incentive for people in heaven to do what's best for heaven or risk being cast out.
So heaven a company that only wants the best of the best, and gets rid of the rest.
Shit what if an avrange joe gets sent to hell, and because of the culture you need to become a monster to survive.
But Lucifer doesn't really seem any weaker, they could have just literally kicked him out.
Would Sera come help tho?
>Emily gets kicked out of heaven
>Charlie gets her dad to Emily on as an adoptive daughter
Meh, she'd be fine with Charlie
At least Adam didn’t send nudes to minors
Is there any way to access 5 and 6 without shilling out to Bezos or Mega?
https://bitsearch.to/search?q=hazbin+hotel
Anything else that works?
https://netmovies.to/tvseries/hazbin-hotel/
I used movieuniverse . Se
As I said in another thread I'm not pay for this garbage
I wish I had an image of Lucifer to see.
There's someone that really likes red ribbons there in hell .
>Adam’s digital mask face resembles Vox’s
>Vox’s design implies he is a portable wifi network
>Viv says there is a secret about the masks Adam and the Exorcist wear
OH MY GOD ITS THE READ SUIT DUDE AND CYAN SUIT DUDE!!! I bet alastor will somehow be a Tumblr sexy man even if nobody uses Tumblr anymore
His design was kinda weird at the start.
The idea that he was a cannibal obsessed with eating dead deers was kept
>cannibal who's obsessed with eating magical rotten carcasses
That's probably the biggest sin of everything what mentally sane person eats fricking raw road kill
That character concept art goes hard. So he was originally supposed to be a deer with a human head and only sometimes take a human looking form? That's crazy. So he was a deer furry like I thought. He had interesting ideas. So he was eating humans and deers too? Or did he start killing deers when he became a demon because he died by being mistaken by a deer by a hunter? Either he had this deer obsession as a human or only in hell but if he eats humans maybe he would enjoy eating raw deers just to feel like a predator or something
that was his form from the other comic , ZooPhobia.
He's been recycled
Damn so hazbin would be like Beastars at first? Or is zoophobia a finished real comic with no relation to hazbin?
ZooPhobia is an American webcomic originally published in 2012 by Vivienne Medrano, from which she later loosely adapted characters and plotlines for her animated web and television series Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss.] It follows a young woman named Cameron who travels to an interspecies sanctuary named Safe Haven.
lthough the comic was originally released in 2012, Medrano mentioned creating a webcomic in December 2010.The comic went on hiatus for an indefinite period in November 2016, reportedly because Medrano wanted to focus on developing Hazbin Hotel into an animated series.[
Zoophobia had so much more potential than Hazbin, Viv's panic attack towards Zootopia was so unhinged and unwarranted, could have been a way better show.
>Adam is eating ribs
Good jokes
What if this actually showing how much Adam misses Eve.
Joke was ruined by the Twitter feeling the need to point out the obvious joke.
My man, why are you seeking punishment by reading what twitter is writing about a show ?
Twitter as in the official account for the show.
>>Good Jokes
>charlie walks into angel dusts porno scene
>sir pentious gets fricked by 2 men after his skibidi rizz moment with cherry bomb
Is Adam Ken from the Barbie movie 2.0? The audiences are supposed to hate Adam but the audiences are loving him. Partly because most of the main cast are unlikable.
He's entertaining to watch but outside of Cinemaphile you're not going to find a lot of FANS of the show who agree with him. He's a funny bastard type.
Ken was supposed to be hated? I thought he was supposed to be a misguided, but relatable underdog
but that whole movie was a mess and I can't even determine what it was trying to say honestly
There a reason evern the achadmey gaves KEN the awards for best preformence in Barbie.
Also Ryan Goslpie was objectively the best charater.
Hey Aval0nX! I know you're in these threads. How about a comic sketch of:
>Emily enjoying a Nutella sandwich
>Charlie runs in screaming that it's not that
>Emily goes wide-eyed and starts seeing death and suffering
>Angel Dust peeking around a corner doing his best "trollface" impression
What about Emily and Charlie BEING the sandwich (vaggie too ig)
What about Adam straight up going Eden in heaven’s wilderness with Lute following along.
Charlie and her family is explicitely protected against exterminations.
It's stated in the first episode.
Charlie should frick her
>Show is about redeeming sinners
>Viv's big inspiration for music is the Broadway Book of Mormon Musical
>Mormons already believe Hell is a rehabilitation program for Sinners
When will he show up?
Man, I really wanna frick Sera
Adam is my role model
>Emily will be flandarized into the designed turbo bawd sex addict girl
People just like corruption too much. You're all going to Hell.
sera plz
The show will likely push this angle, so just get prepped.
Probably have Emily shave half her hair or something.
It almost to easy, only Charlie pure yuri energy can save her?
I need someone to commison princess carrying
What will Vivie do when she learns that people unironically like Adam?
>What will Vivie do when she learns that people unironically like Adam?
wait, she doesnt know?
Even Vivziepop simps for Adam.
She might actually hate Vox and Val because people in bad unloving relationships are often for characters she hates.
Adam is her favorite character to write
Because… Adam is a depressed man who still lingers for his first true love…
Thus, making this post to highlight Eve’s awkward absence from Adam’s life.
Where is Eve?
In hell where she belongs
Kind of a shame that Adam is probably going to die before the show gets to the Eve plot
Nah. Vox is the one that will. He’s the one with all of the weird and creepy modern technologies, not Adam and his angels. It also makes more sense power-wise and thematically for Nifty (Alaster’s enslaved servant) to stab Vox to death.
Possessed by pure evil and larping as Lilith.
I need a chibi Adam plush that sits on my desk that drinks all my soda and calls me a b***h
I think there's higher caste of angels pulling the strings.
>Sera says there's a lot they don't know
>Lucifer acts as its useless, implies there are rules in place against crossing over
He was one of the higher angels, he'd be aware of stuff. Watch it being that are no rules to go to heaven or hell and it's random.
Has anyone noticed that Adam is the only one with golden wings. Implying that he is the image of the highest being in this universe.
>Lucifer calls in a favor with his archangels buddies for his daughter to be heard
>Sera stages a kangaroo court to hear her out
>doesn't budge even when proven wrong
There's definitely someone higher up against the crossing.
The old character sheet leak says she works for the "Speaker of God".
Have any of you considered raping angels?
charlie pog
why are people pretending that charlie and emily aren't sisters from different misters?
that's gonna be the twist with them.
From an earthly point-of-view, they're aunt and niece.
>aren't sisters from different misters?
What do you even mean?
Techinally there related already?
Give me even three reasons why Adam's "no you people actually fricking suck, frick off" stance is wrong. You can't.
>MEEEEE???
>BEING PETTY ???
Emily!
On the whole, I really enjoy see a cartoon that doesn't try to sanitize itself to appeal to all.
Yes, the word is too reddish, the designs are too busy. Everyone is gay or bi. The sparkledogs pierce my retina. Every male act like the bottom-est bottom or the top-pest top. All character are having trauma induced panic attacks.
And I really love it because I can feel the love that has been poured into the show . Follow your weird taste, make something different for once.
both of Vivzie's series really do feel like "2000s edgy sexyman tumblr OCs" but with a budget and as a whole series isntead of just some drawings made by a horny teen
that's enjoyable in a guilty pleasure way. still wish they'd tone down the relationship melodrama in helluva boss, it got old really fast
>Guilty pleasure
I'm innocent anon.
I'll enjoy this series without a speck of shame.
That's how men act .
pic related looks like a manlet gymcel. Understood, this is the strongest gayofaboss enjoyer.
>he hasn’t seen FOTNS
Shame on you manlet
Anon, that's Raoh. He's like 4 meters tall
I used to be a cringe Undertale fan and I have some cringe memories that hurt me when I think about them. About how I was in the past, how I did cringe things. This Tumblr nonsense cartoon feels like just owning it, accepting the past instead of desperately trying to forget. I'm not really loving, I'm not publicly talking about it with people who don't know what I'm talking about but I think it's alright now, just alright, not more not less
Exactly
>Alastor absolutely humiliating that manlet
Is there a more pathetic representation of Lucifer?
At least Lucy isn't a woman.
am i the only one that felt like alastor was OOC in the Mimzy episode?
he acted like he actually gave a shit about the whole thing.
the hotel, charlie's admiration.
isn't he in explicitly because he thinks the whole thing is a charade and wants to watch it crash and burn?
And he only daddied Charlie because it was the one button he could push with Lucifer. Yeah, that's what I assumed.
Ep 5 was meant to show that yes, there is actually something up with Alastor's character besides being the scary grinning radio man. I would say him stepping into the duel with Lucifer had actually nothing to do with Charlie or the hotel.
That was obviously a lie from day 1 but i don't think he really gives a shit about her yet.
He's on Liliths chain so if he doesn't protect her daughter he's fricked. The daddy stuff was purely out of spite
Alastor likes being the biggest boi in the room, and since Lucifer can just nuke him if he tries to flex with power, the only way he could really get an up on him is via Charlie.
How very Vox-like of him.
Look at that lil face
Just a funny guy
My understanding is that everything he did there was to a manipulation tactic to drive Lucifer to offer more help to Charlie and by extension improve the prospects of his 'investment in entertainment' going forward.
Or maybe he actually has grown to care for Charlie a little, Viv did skip over 5 months worth of potential character development.
I think he's neutral on the success of Charlie's attempt, even in the pilot he never stated he would try to stop anyone from earning redemption, just found it fun to see them fail.
Main priority seems to be protect the Hotel itself a little, and remind people of his power, the two things are even connected since he put his broadcast room on the hotel.
His thing was making Lucifer mad, he's not being sincere about the dad thing, it's why he's smiling at Lucifer when he says it.
He's throwing glares at Lucifer even before they speak, so he has a grudge for some reason. It probably has to do with his nebulous connection to Lilith.
yeah, but then it goes on to scold Mimzy in "private" after the whole thing blew out.
>Or maybe he actually has grown to care for Charlie a little
i really struggle to believe that
He scolds Mimzy because the hotel is important to him, but it's not because he just genuinely grew to like Charlie. He clearly has some ulterior motive and isn't just there to laugh at her.
>i really struggle to believe that
So do I.
As of right now, there is no compelling evidence to suggest such a thing, but I figured I may as well mention the possibility.
Additionally, one would expect if a writer were to skip over a period of time when presenting a story then that would indicate that nothing relevant to the plot happened during that period. Though I may be giving Viv too much credit.
>Adam plans in targeting the hotel
>means head on confrontation with Alastor
Does he even know about Al?
Or is it playing into the "don't underestimate him" shtick?
Adam is the first man, of course he's overconfident
>Charlie has daddy issues
>her dad is shown as being nothing but kind, loving and enthusiastic towards her, if a little scatterbrained
>he makes the impossible happen just for her
what gives?
is it just Lilith being a b***h and keeping them apart after they separated or something?
Well what I'm hoping for is that Lilith/Eve leaving was actually a big, loud thing that the rest of Hell was witness to as she went scorched earth and that's what pushed Lucifer to distance himself from Charlie.
>is it just Lilith being a b***h and keeping them apart after they separated or something?
Yes, that's female writing 101
Lilith has been gone for 7 years, so it can't be all her fault. Charlie and Lucifer both have that "my dad / daughter probably doesn't want to see me" communication problem.
Wish the episode wasn't invaded by the tiny trany girl and had its pacing ruined.
Does anyone know when the next episode is?
Next Thursday afternoon/evening America time
Just leak the last two episodes already.
Buddy do you think anybody who doesn't work directly for Amazon/A24 knows how to find them? They're probably not even anywhere in Amazon's database yet.
Fact: Loona is the hottest character Vivzie's ever drawn
Loony is peak Viz
So, Adam fricked Vaggie right?
What matters is that Lute is his preferred destination.
Maybe Lute fricked over Vaggie because she was stealing her spot.
Would Lute go as far into Eden with Adam?
Do they have the same VA?
No, Emily's VA is black.
That sentence doesn't make sense.
Eternal punishment or eternal treat was always the deal.
The next line is "if angels can do whatever and remain up in the sky", which is about the fact that nobody in heaven knows what actually makes a person qualify for it, but once you do get in you can do whatever you want, because you making it in it automatically means everything you do is righteous and good.
No, this is Emily's VA.
Would
>That pic
the hazbin quote does not even make sense.
Why are they so good together?
HOw can viv frick upa yuri part some much, but create one of the better onces by accident?
Emily became a fan favorite way quicker than I expected tbh, how would you rank current cast by popularity?
I'd say Alastor and Angel take the top2 spots
Post more Emily pics
Why did they make Vaggie and Charlie so chaste? They don't even kiss.
litteraly drooling
vivzie really likes doing that
I want a spin-off series about Adam and picrel's misadventures
I want to see what the named angels look like in hazbin?
I know that there mostly pretty biys, but I need there designs
What's her accent?
I'm ESL
British
Turns out she's American
amazing song
If there is one plot point I would wish for when it comes to the Vees: Let them be genuine, real friends. Yes they are ruthless but in the end they just enjoy each other's company. Maybe Vox really is as weak as Alistor made him look in "stayed gone" but because the other two have his back it is incredibly difficult to remove him, or any of them for that matter.
would be cool
I wonder if they're even that strong. Vox has those electric and brain manipulation powers, vel is just a womanlet goblin midget, Valentino is just a pimp with 4 arms and wings. It would be cool if someone tried to kill Valentino or something and vox just helps him. It would be pretty cool if they were like friends who have each other's back when necessary
>Vox has those electric and brain manipulation powers
Oh frick, he’s dead in Season 1.
how would they fare ?
They are on the same edgy wavelenght
Isn't she wearing a horned mask to resemble him ?
Like a psycho cheerleader?
Would you kiss a face designed to look like yours?
They’re both wearing Vox masks.
Sir
Do not redeem Sir