Shut the frick up Bill, if you merchandised your characters, you could have been set for life.
DC and Marvel make shit tons of money.
People go back and forth with this sentiment. Like, Cinemaphile loves to share some of the stupidest fricking moments in the industry, but those are usually capeshit, which as the name implies, is usually the junk food of comic books. Watterson was right... if by "comics" he meant "Marvel and DC" which generally shit out some of the worst stories this medium has to offer.
Might I add that although there's some terrible non capeshit stuff out there, capeshit writers are also some of the pettiest motherfrickers in the business who behave like literal children. Then there's the fans, who keep eating shit while hoping that next run the feces will taste slightly better (yes you, Spideygays)
I know it's not a social media screenshot but it's basically the same flavor of thread
Not to be mean but Ohio is literally thought of as "the boring state" by the rest of the country. It is just kinda boring and average and competent in every conceivable way.
It is boring here, which is probably why famous people move here, just so they can get away from the "excitement" of the rest of the country. It's also somewhat of a red state, so you know the bullshit of the west coast doesn't have as much of a reach here.
People go back and forth with this sentiment. Like, Cinemaphile loves to share some of the stupidest fricking moments in the industry, but those are usually capeshit, which as the name implies, is usually the junk food of comic books. Watterson was right... if by "comics" he meant "Marvel and DC" which generally shit out some of the worst stories this medium has to offer.
Might I add that although there's some terrible non capeshit stuff out there, capeshit writers are also some of the pettiest motherfrickers in the business who behave like literal children. Then there's the fans, who keep eating shit while hoping that next run the feces will taste slightly better (yes you, Spideygays)
Do you have a transcription or source of Watterson's words on TDKR?
Here's Frank Miller on Calvin and Hobbes (two different interviews): >What’s a comic that every kid should read? >Frank Miller: If you want to see what comics can do and learn how to do it, the answer is Calvin & Hobbes. The drawing is such a joy. >Paste Magazine: Yes, what can you get only in comics? >Miller: Calvin and Hobbes. [Laughs]. I only pick that because Bill Watterson’s drawings are so beautiful and magical, it’s hard to imagine it being animated successfully.
Do you have a transcription or source of Watterson's words on TDKR?
Here's Frank Miller on Calvin and Hobbes (two different interviews): >What’s a comic that every kid should read? >Frank Miller: If you want to see what comics can do and learn how to do it, the answer is Calvin & Hobbes. The drawing is such a joy. >Paste Magazine: Yes, what can you get only in comics? >Miller: Calvin and Hobbes. [Laughs]. I only pick that because Bill Watterson’s drawings are so beautiful and magical, it’s hard to imagine it being animated successfully.
from "Exploring Calving and Hobbes" >And I guess there were a couple of years in the late 80s when I noticed some comic books. I was not plugged into that world at all, but I saw Frank Miller's Dark Knight version of Batman, which was the first comic book I'd read in more than a decade. That kind of violent bleakness is not to my taste at all, but it was an eye-opener in its reinvention of the character. >I also remember paying attention to a few comic books illustrated by Bill Sienkiewicz that came out about then. Long before Photoshop, he painted and collaged and photocopied the artwork - all sorts of techniques I never would have thought of applying to cartoons. At bottom, they were still rooted in a superhero sensibility that did nothing for me, but his approach to materials was inventive. So I wouldn't say comic books had any real influence on me, but I was noticing that these were lavishly printed and that comic books were opening up in the sophistication of their writing and art. It made me wonder why that wasn't happening with comic strips.
Watterson actually thinks that the "dark and mature" superhero comics are the best ones and compares them to what he was trying to do with Calvin & Hobbes. But he doesn't like comic books PERIOD. No, it isn't logical. It doesn't have to be. That's his opinion.
Now stop reposting this same goddamn shit over and over again.
Very strange that Wertham only started claiming to be anti-censorship after the CCA was established, EC had gone out of business and he'd made his name shit among comic fans. It's almost like there was something self-serving and insincere about his ostensible anti-censorship stance.
No, he was anti-censorship from day one. He NEVER advocated censorship. Your dumb ass is just repeating homosexualry you got from a youtuber. Get off the internet, kid.
>EC comics or war comics
He said they're stupid (they are). He said nothing about censoring them. This isn't Watterson having a Wertham moment, it's him saying brainless trash is brainless trash.
Oh look, he actually was reading comics when the interview happened and you're full of shit
[...]
from "Exploring Calving and Hobbes" >And I guess there were a couple of years in the late 80s when I noticed some comic books. I was not plugged into that world at all, but I saw Frank Miller's Dark Knight version of Batman, which was the first comic book I'd read in more than a decade. That kind of violent bleakness is not to my taste at all, but it was an eye-opener in its reinvention of the character. >I also remember paying attention to a few comic books illustrated by Bill Sienkiewicz that came out about then. Long before Photoshop, he painted and collaged and photocopied the artwork - all sorts of techniques I never would have thought of applying to cartoons. At bottom, they were still rooted in a superhero sensibility that did nothing for me, but his approach to materials was inventive. So I wouldn't say comic books had any real influence on me, but I was noticing that these were lavishly printed and that comic books were opening up in the sophistication of their writing and art. It made me wonder why that wasn't happening with comic strips.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So where's the bit about EC and war comics?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are you lost?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, you're not pretending, you really are a moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You lost the plot. Not my fault.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Every one of your posts is a mad lib. If you're bored, go do something useful instead of shitting up the thread with random-ass replies.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a different anon who posted that bit. I posted it in response to a poster saying he meant capeshit. I responded that in all likelihood he'd say the same about comics in other genres, with the same writing/art issues he has with superhero comics.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok. That's what I was responding to.
Every one of your posts is a mad lib. If you're bored, go do something useful instead of shitting up the thread with random-ass replies.
Nah, you're just dumb. Go learn how to read.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Ok. >Go learn how to read.
Ironic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You really are lost.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And we're back to sentences randomly generated around the word "lost".
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean you clearly don't know what's going on yet feel the need to keep responding.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you clearly don't know what's going on
Yeah, you're replying for the sake of replying.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Referring to yourself?
3 months ago
Anonymous
See? Nothing to say, yet you keep posting.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'll take that as a yes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'll take that as a concession.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No snacks here, tubby. Get yourself a guide dog, please.
Watterson dislikes the humor philosophy of Mad Magazine, although he's expressed admiration for some of the contributing artists. I can't remember if he specifically mentioned Harvey Kurtzman, but I have a hard time imagining Watterson would have a problem with the Kurtzman's EC war comics (the comments about Mad that I'm vaguely recalling are from Exploring Calvin and Hobbes, if you want to look them up). Otherwise, you're probably right that he'd be dismissive of EC's sci-fi and horror work, as well as most of the other old war comics.
You can tell the guy who keeps spamming the catalog with these outrage bait Calvin & Hobbes threads is an Cinemaphileutist like everyone says he is because the idea of not having merch for everything is completely alien to his thinking.
>Naked blue Jesus needs to explode zebra face guy to hide the truth about the big brain squid or else Nixon will nuke the whole world.
Watchman is pretty stupid.
>Naked blue Jesus needs to explode zebra face guy to hide the truth about the big brain squid or else Nixon will nuke the whole world.
Watchman is pretty stupid.
Alan Moore BTFO
If Watterson is referring to Watchmen, that just means he didn't get it. These are surface-level observations.
I mean... Sandman didn't wow me like it was apparently supposed to, so I guess he's right.
It was the first comic I'd read since I was a kid and it just did nothing for me.
I did like the show Good Omens, but I attribute that much more to Pratchett than Gaiman.
To be fair, Watterson is just calling them stupid, and not inappropriate for children. If anything, he's saying the gory stuff is immature, which is a different criticism than the complaints of the 1950s.
I think he's a bit pretentious with his actual comics but he's not wrong about this. Most comics with a focus on violence are still fricking dumb regardless of what point they attempt to make.
I don't see how a comic book is significantly different than newspaper strips
Admittedly the peak Newspaper strip artists are far above comic book creators but thats mostly because there is better money in newspaper strips
I've always liked how when Bill is doing a different style that you can still tell it's him. You can clearly tell he's trying to imitate Frank Miller here but it's still very obviously Bill.
>His latest book was enormously disappointing, largely because he didn't do much of the art.
Nah, it's fricking hilarious. Watterson emerges from his cave for the first time in ages and its to do a collaboration he hardly works on. I'd almost believe he did it intentionally to frick with people.
It should also be noted that he gave a speech at a convention in the early 2000s and someone asked him about that quote and he reiterated that he just plain does not like comic books. He doesn't pretend that he's not biased.
>Personally, I like paper and ink better than glowing pixels, but to each his own. Obviously the role of comics is changing very fast. On the one hand, I don't think comics have ever been more widely accepted or taken as seriously as they are now. On the other hand, the mass media is disintegrating, and audiences are atomizing. I suspect comics will have less widespread cultural impact and make a lot less money. I'm old enough to find all this unsettling, but the world moves on. All the new media will inevitably change the look, function, and maybe even the purpose of comics, but comics are vibrant and versatile, so I think they'll continue to find relevance one way or another. But they definitely won't be the same as what I grew up with.
fricking based
yes but i still like them
have a nice day.
Keep seething, Watterson was right. No wonder comic book sales keep falling
Don't patronize me. You're too stupid and incapable of communicating your own thoughts without parroting what somebody else said.
>wonder comic book sales keep falling
But manga has superhero psychopaths, gorey violence, are extremely and sell well
Like who, Goku?
Golgo 13
Hell, he kills a pregnant woman at one point
No, comics keep losing sales because they're all about whiny c**ts crying about their feelings over coffee.
Some salty-ass b***hes in here
Quit hating and learn how to market homie
Shut the frick up Bill, if you merchandised your characters, you could have been set for life.
DC and Marvel make shit tons of money.
But what about muh soul and human spirit????
Soul and human spirit are worth $0, you can't buy things with morals.
He's already set for life.
He lives in Ohio, right? He can't be that hard to find
>He lives in Ohio, right?
Feels like everybody is living here
Not to be mean but Ohio is literally thought of as "the boring state" by the rest of the country. It is just kinda boring and average and competent in every conceivable way.
>Boring state
>Tony Pako's hot dogs
Best fricking sauce in the usa.
It is boring here, which is probably why famous people move here, just so they can get away from the "excitement" of the rest of the country. It's also somewhat of a red state, so you know the bullshit of the west coast doesn't have as much of a reach here.
>DC and Marvel make shit tons of money.
The comics haven't been profitable for like 30 years now.
have a nice day
People go back and forth with this sentiment. Like, Cinemaphile loves to share some of the stupidest fricking moments in the industry, but those are usually capeshit, which as the name implies, is usually the junk food of comic books. Watterson was right... if by "comics" he meant "Marvel and DC" which generally shit out some of the worst stories this medium has to offer.
Might I add that although there's some terrible non capeshit stuff out there, capeshit writers are also some of the pettiest motherfrickers in the business who behave like literal children. Then there's the fans, who keep eating shit while hoping that next run the feces will taste slightly better (yes you, Spideygays)
Watterson was referring to ALL comic books.
I know it's not a social media screenshot but it's basically the same flavor of thread
OP is a gay
Bill Watterson isn't "some shmuck" and he's right that superhero comics are stupid.
He's a schmuck, and you're a bigger schmuck for parroting his shit.
t. mad he never got a Hobbes plushie
Lick his taint some more, you pathetic sheep. You absolute clowns never had the balls to say this shit until Watterson said it first. WEAK.
Think about Watterson's taint a lot, do you?
have a nice day.
Your words, not mine, old-man-taint lover.
He wasn't talking about superheroes. He meant that ALL comic books are stupid. Dude just hates comic books.
Proof?
He literally says it in the quote.
You're moronic.
[citation needed]
HE LITERALLY SAYS IT IN HIS FRICKING QUOTE.
Capeshit comics are complete ass. That’s why they sell like shit.
What would he think about manga?
He'd probably roll his eyes at the sexual stuff and violence, like "Oh those crazy japs" like most comic book boomers do.
Doesn't he know about Astro Boy? Pretty sure it was name dropped in Calvin and Hobbes
He didn't read comics.
He said he read Dark Knight Returns and didn't like it because he thought it was too grim and violent
Do you have a transcription or source of Watterson's words on TDKR?
Here's Frank Miller on Calvin and Hobbes (two different interviews):
>What’s a comic that every kid should read?
>Frank Miller: If you want to see what comics can do and learn how to do it, the answer is Calvin & Hobbes. The drawing is such a joy.
>Paste Magazine: Yes, what can you get only in comics?
>Miller: Calvin and Hobbes. [Laughs]. I only pick that because Bill Watterson’s drawings are so beautiful and magical, it’s hard to imagine it being animated successfully.
from "Exploring Calving and Hobbes"
>And I guess there were a couple of years in the late 80s when I noticed some comic books. I was not plugged into that world at all, but I saw Frank Miller's Dark Knight version of Batman, which was the first comic book I'd read in more than a decade. That kind of violent bleakness is not to my taste at all, but it was an eye-opener in its reinvention of the character.
>I also remember paying attention to a few comic books illustrated by Bill Sienkiewicz that came out about then. Long before Photoshop, he painted and collaged and photocopied the artwork - all sorts of techniques I never would have thought of applying to cartoons. At bottom, they were still rooted in a superhero sensibility that did nothing for me, but his approach to materials was inventive. So I wouldn't say comic books had any real influence on me, but I was noticing that these were lavishly printed and that comic books were opening up in the sophistication of their writing and art. It made me wonder why that wasn't happening with comic strips.
You know, that's actually pretty complimentary. He's saying the content isn't to his personal taste but he admires the artistry.
Nice.
>Sienkiewicz
I take it this was before Stray Toasters.
>even comic's biggest haters admit the 80s were the best times
EVERYONE SEE THIS POST BEFORE COMMENTING:
Watterson actually thinks that the "dark and mature" superhero comics are the best ones and compares them to what he was trying to do with Calvin & Hobbes. But he doesn't like comic books PERIOD. No, it isn't logical. It doesn't have to be. That's his opinion.
Now stop reposting this same goddamn shit over and over again.
Of course, I only come here for cartoons
Cartoons are far more stupid.
if that is true, why are there no quotes of cartoonists saying the same thing as Watterson but for cartoons? Checkmate atheists.
Very strange that Wertham only started claiming to be anti-censorship after the CCA was established, EC had gone out of business and he'd made his name shit among comic fans. It's almost like there was something self-serving and insincere about his ostensible anti-censorship stance.
No, he was anti-censorship from day one. He NEVER advocated censorship. Your dumb ass is just repeating homosexualry you got from a youtuber. Get off the internet, kid.
>No, he was anti-censorship from day one.
Give an example of him being anti-censorship before the moral panic.
I never really realized how much he looks like Crumb.
He's talking about cape comics and is completely right.
Watterson would probably say the same thing about any given EC comics or war comics too.
>EC comics or war comics
He said they're stupid (they are). He said nothing about censoring them. This isn't Watterson having a Wertham moment, it's him saying brainless trash is brainless trash.
I didn't say anything abouthim being for censoring them, either.
He didn't read them.
[citation needed]
You first.
Oh look, he actually was reading comics when the interview happened and you're full of shit
So where's the bit about EC and war comics?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Are you lost?
Okay, you're not pretending, you really are a moron.
You lost the plot. Not my fault.
Every one of your posts is a mad lib. If you're bored, go do something useful instead of shitting up the thread with random-ass replies.
I'm a different anon who posted that bit. I posted it in response to a poster saying he meant capeshit. I responded that in all likelihood he'd say the same about comics in other genres, with the same writing/art issues he has with superhero comics.
Ok. That's what I was responding to.
Nah, you're just dumb. Go learn how to read.
>Ok.
>Go learn how to read.
Ironic.
You really are lost.
And we're back to sentences randomly generated around the word "lost".
I mean you clearly don't know what's going on yet feel the need to keep responding.
>you clearly don't know what's going on
Yeah, you're replying for the sake of replying.
Referring to yourself?
See? Nothing to say, yet you keep posting.
I'll take that as a yes.
I'll take that as a concession.
No snacks here, tubby. Get yourself a guide dog, please.
I'm over here, anon.
Wertham was opposed to censoring comics. Stop repeating that stupid fricking meme.
>Wertham was opposed to censoring comics.
Perhaps you could remind the audience what prompted him to lie like that?
What the frick are you talking about?
Watterson dislikes the humor philosophy of Mad Magazine, although he's expressed admiration for some of the contributing artists. I can't remember if he specifically mentioned Harvey Kurtzman, but I have a hard time imagining Watterson would have a problem with the Kurtzman's EC war comics (the comments about Mad that I'm vaguely recalling are from Exploring Calvin and Hobbes, if you want to look them up). Otherwise, you're probably right that he'd be dismissive of EC's sci-fi and horror work, as well as most of the other old war comics.
He's talking about ALL comic books.
>bill twatterson being wrong
But of course.
Its ok to like stupid things.
You can tell the guy who keeps spamming the catalog with these outrage bait Calvin & Hobbes threads is an Cinemaphileutist like everyone says he is because the idea of not having merch for everything is completely alien to his thinking.
I don't want merch of Calvin and Hobbes. I'm fine with it being dead
>Calvin & Hobbes
>dead
lol
lmao
I meant with there being no more strips or a TV show/movie
Yes, because Watterson did the best thing possible and tapped out before the strip became stale. Other creators should follow his example.
yup
BASED.
Yep. I learned my lesson the hard way.
He is 100% correct.
Why does it feel like he's secretly talking about Watchmen?
>Naked blue Jesus needs to explode zebra face guy to hide the truth about the big brain squid or else Nixon will nuke the whole world.
Watchman is pretty stupid.
He's talking about ALL comic books. He wasn't referring to anything specifically.
If Watterson is referring to Watchmen, that just means he didn't get it. These are surface-level observations.
Maybe you're stupid for thinking capeshit is deep.
It's not necessarily deep, but it's a good, non-stupid read.
cant wait for vultures to tear apart this arrogant man’s properties when he croaks
i can already see the illumination movies
I mean... Sandman didn't wow me like it was apparently supposed to, so I guess he's right.
It was the first comic I'd read since I was a kid and it just did nothing for me.
I did like the show Good Omens, but I attribute that much more to Pratchett than Gaiman.
>Sandman didn't wow me like it was apparently supposed to, so I guess he's right.
You're not exactly one to qualify it, come on, let's admit it.
I highly doubt there's anyone better suited to judged my reaction to Sandman than I am.
I'm saying your reaction isn't worth much because you lack the mental capacity in the first place.
I like how all the criticisms leveled at comics in the early '50s are cool again.
When does Mr. Wertham get his apology, anon?
To be fair, Watterson is just calling them stupid, and not inappropriate for children. If anything, he's saying the gory stuff is immature, which is a different criticism than the complaints of the 1950s.
Based quotes, pretentious douchebags and edgelords BTFO.
His newest book The Mysteries kinda fits the bill of being pretentious though so he's kinda hypocritical.
Not mine. Mine are genius and also all of those things
I think he's a bit pretentious with his actual comics but he's not wrong about this. Most comics with a focus on violence are still fricking dumb regardless of what point they attempt to make.
now you know why hardly anyone knows of Calvin and Hobbes.
and Calvin and Susie will never marry
He's not wrong. Why are few people foaming at the mouth with his statement?
everything about society is flawed and stupid, i don't care
I love them both and really want to see Watterson and Moore in a pretentious-off.
>draws newspaper funnies
bruh, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on here
I don't see how a comic book is significantly different than newspaper strips
Admittedly the peak Newspaper strip artists are far above comic book creators but thats mostly because there is better money in newspaper strips
>the peak Newspaper strip artists are far above comic book creators
I think they're about the same.
What's the context of him saying that?
This would've been a better thread if this'd been the first post.
Who knows?
Pretty sure it's from the 10th anniversary book in relation to this strip parodying 80s and 90s edge.
i feel like violence and sex are way more dangerous to teens and adults than children.
I've always liked how when Bill is doing a different style that you can still tell it's him. You can clearly tell he's trying to imitate Frank Miller here but it's still very obviously Bill.
I wish Watterson drew a comic book. His latest book was enormously disappointing, largely because he didn't do much of the art.
I like that he's always trying his hand at new things. Wish more old people were like him.
>His latest book was enormously disappointing, largely because he didn't do much of the art.
Nah, it's fricking hilarious. Watterson emerges from his cave for the first time in ages and its to do a collaboration he hardly works on. I'd almost believe he did it intentionally to frick with people.
Alan Moore BTFO
who the frick is he even
It should also be noted that he gave a speech at a convention in the early 2000s and someone asked him about that quote and he reiterated that he just plain does not like comic books. He doesn't pretend that he's not biased.
That goes for movies and books too, only a math book is "smart"
Math is incredibly stupid too.
>Personally, I like paper and ink better than glowing pixels, but to each his own. Obviously the role of comics is changing very fast. On the one hand, I don't think comics have ever been more widely accepted or taken as seriously as they are now. On the other hand, the mass media is disintegrating, and audiences are atomizing. I suspect comics will have less widespread cultural impact and make a lot less money. I'm old enough to find all this unsettling, but the world moves on. All the new media will inevitably change the look, function, and maybe even the purpose of comics, but comics are vibrant and versatile, so I think they'll continue to find relevance one way or another. But they definitely won't be the same as what I grew up with.
fricking based