Mark looks exactly the same as a white person and an asian. Amber is unnecessary but she's a minor and shitty character anyway, the point is the ginger was retained
I agree. There can be well done diversity changes. If the creator/team does it honestly and it helps or at least doesnt destroy the overall appeal, ok.
Because the consumer can sense if this is pushing or just for advertisment or pandering to a niche. Thats why noone cried that Samuel Jackson became Fury, because he is a beloved and good actor. While most casting is““who?“ and demands a much higher pay-off for the viewer! I look at you Finn from Star Wars!
>Thats why noone cried that Samuel Jackson became Fury,
they literally did that in the Ultimate comics run, they used his likeness and promised him he'd get to play Fury in the films.
>Aka Larry Fink offered me a buttload of money and the casting director said I would be blacklisted like the LotR if I didn’t blackify most of the cast
If you make new ones then you'll have to rewrite chunks of the story to include them. It would also be more money spent of actors to portray those characters.
>b***h and moan >b***h and moan >b***h and moan
Shut the frick up. You think you're above it all?You're more annoying that those who "b***h and moan". Frick off.
the difference is that if he got what he wanted, and end to all moaning, then he can himself stop
whereas there would be no end to moaning about characters being changed, thats an endless path
so one makes the world an objectively better place if it ever suceeds, since it would mean the end to all whining
the other is blind reaction to things they dont like, and people will always find new things not to like
You're really fooling yourself if you think anime wouldn't be target of the culture b***hing too were it not for the fact 90% of them look default european white.
It's hilarious you think your ugly shit is disliked because of racism, you are like the journalists saying that africans are racist because The Little Mermaid flopped there
Name 5 examoles that don't boil down to >this character is ugly
Or >this is a new character thats acrually just replacing an old one and stealing some elses story as if we raceswapped them anyway
but we'll pretend it's because racism instead
That's basically what they did. Amber in the comics is pretty much a piece of cardboard with a nametag. Amber in the show, despicable as she may be, is an actual character.
>diversity is important to a series with space nazi/romans, blue and orange aliens, and a cast that already has good black and female representation >generic wishy-washy talking points about seeing yourself in media
Yeah he was strong-armed into it or paid a shit-ton of money.
Also what the frick, he talks about how Mark being generic made him relatable to all sorts of fans of multiple ethnicities, then goes on to justify making him Korean. >Given that Mark Jackson falls under the umbrella of being an immigrant, it creates a big change from the comics that the show utilized well (so far) despite not directly mentioning it
He is literally not an immigrant, and being a foreigner's kid literally never comes up, this is a stupid fricking reach and the stupid fricking Hispanic who wrote the article got his name wrong.
>Amber in the show, despicable as she may be, is an actual character.
An actual cardboard cutout that the characters pretended was real would be better than what we got.
>An actual cardboard cutout that the characters pretended was real would be better than what we got.
this. No reason to turn her into an extremely unpleasant b***h
A character being hated is better than a character being boring, that's a pretty common rule in writing. Nobody gives a frick about side character #308, don't try and act like anyone gave a shit about Amber before the show.
They do but they hardly receive any attention because companies would rather focus on characters that are already popular. Marvel made a ton of diversity characters in the last decade and besides Miles and Kamala they've all but faded into the background.
NTA but don't most people like Staric Shock and Blade lol. If you think about it more minorities be very appreciative if they had their own IPs since you can create a lot of jobs for minorities when those exist. For all this preach for diversity, minorities especially black people still barely have any autonomy of their own within these companies. If black creators make a product then it means they could hire upwards 10+ of their own king and if great can possibly reach stardom with it leading to more higher opportunities in their careers (See Jordan Peele). Minorities being at the mercy of white and israelites ironically limits this possibility and sometimes will probably keep a few around for quota purposes and nothing more than that. Like when you think about how Black Dynamite has more black people during its inception than Miles Morales it starts to become a hilarious situation lol.
Old characters always get a pass by people who whine about minority characters. It doesn’t matter how “woke” or “up in your face” or “forced progressive propaganda” they were for their time, they don’t count because it happened before their time.
And look how much whining Jordan Peele generates around here even when he’s doing the exact thing they supposedly want. People are still seething over Get Out. Even when Black fricking Panther came out buttholes here spent months insisting it would bomb.
homie who gives a frick about the minority of morons who pull that shit when what I just said would benefit those groups more. Raceswaps if anything just accelerates more racial tension leading to more culture wars from both sides of the spectrum helping no one in the process. Raceswaps exist this way because companies wont let minorities create original products that flourish in the long term. You sound like the individual who sees a black product and shouts " THOSE OF YOU WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT RACESWAPS BETTER SEE PRODUCT TO UPLIFT BLACK PEOPLE OR ELSE YOU CANT COMPLAIN" rather than treating it like a nice product without blaming the customer/pressuring them with guilt. Just divisive shit for the sake of divisive shit.
>Raceswaps if anything just accelerates more racial tension
So how much did Jackie Brown accelerate racial tensions? Or the Batman when it changed Bock to a white guy? How much did racial tension rise from Karen Sisco being played by J-Lo and Carla Gugino? Did the Warriors ruin race relations when it turned characters into white dudes?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ignoring the whole TLM debacle where journalists engage in culture war bs by pitting Blacks and Asians against each other which partly succeeded when we had Black people saying Asians are the most hateful/racist people in the world because they didn't watch goyslop.
Can't wait for this same dumbass sound and dance next year with Snow White lol.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I’m obsessed with whining about Disney remakes
What a sad existence
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nice projection there sunny when it took me no more than a few minutes to make this image when compared to the time I actual posted it with me mentioning disney only once. You're obviously pathological in goalposting and empty sealion arguments to realize the truth in the pudding so you'll keep ignoring what someone else says in hopes you'll find an answer there. Here's some homework assignment for you to do: >Old characters always get a pass by people who whine about minority characters. It doesn’t matter how “woke” or “up in your face” or “forced progressive propaganda” they were for their time, they don’t count because it happened before their time.
You're so close to the point yet so far that you'll probably be too low iq to give a proper response before this thread closes or at all when going to another thread desperate for (You)pamine. >Inb4 I don't care
Yet you do if you're spending a good portion of your morning goalposting to some rando on a basetweaving forum.
9 months ago
Anonymous
> reducing her breast
Who cares about her skin color or her Deep One face? This is the real crime.
Remember when John Byrne got accused of being racist because he said that it's insulting to racebend characters rather than create new ones just for the sake of it because it's just throwing black actors table scraps?
Actually, a more accurate analogy would be like saying that getting an animated adaptation of a live action movie is giving table scraps to animation.
Which is true, lest we forget that terrible Friday cartoon.
So is this just the new trend? Making characters "Korean" while making them utterly indistinguishable as Korean unless you pay attention to the ramblings of some homosexual who worked on the show who will remind you every day how important it was that they make this otherwise 100% white character into a pseudo-asian, in a way that doesn't matter except in situations where the creators can jerk off in public about diversity.
I feel like this really got started when the Harry Potter lady came back years later and was like "Oh by the way, Dumbledoor was gay!" Weird retroactive changing that doesn't effect the story or character's actions in the story in any way.
I agree with the point this post is making but I do think animation and live action change the dynamic a bit so you have to hammer something down. His mom always seemed Asian to me so I don't see the issue. Amber is a problem though. Even without the race swap she's an entirely different fricking character in every conceivable way.
>Race swapping doesn't matter as long as the race isn't important to the character. >Race is only "not important to the character" if they're white
We're wise to your tricks by now.
Never said that. They're white characters who race is important Professor X, Beast, Jean Grey, Iron Man, Green Arrow, Iron Fist (Danny). Those are character who need to be white for their story to work. Most of the major characters who've been race swapped in the past were fine.
Miles being Afro Latino is important to his character. He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now. Your point doesn't make sense your just being overly antagonistic for no reason.
no, it's important to his character because the only reason his character exists in the first place is because political ideologues decided spider-man needed to be black
Anon, you go ask any latino reading comics if they feel Miles counts as a 'latino' character. They'll tell you there's nothing latino in him beyond his mom speaking spanish and being nuyorrican.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nah they'd probably say he's a dirty Puerto Rican.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Who are you speaking for? I'm literally half Latino. Miles is one of the few characters I actually feel represented by.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This isn’t true at all. Miles had a big Latino and they all get pissed when people suggest a non Afro-latino to play him.
miles is Latino in name. Black person doesn't care about his heritage and can't even speak the language. on top of that, I'm mexican and everyone I talk to rolls their eyes at him. This garbage is way on the nose, even we don't want representation
The only reason he's Latino is because Bendis thought "Miles Morales" was a cool superhero name but only found out last minute that it was a Spanish surname so he had to jump through a myriad of hoops to make it work.
He could have just pick a different name but he was too stubborn. He could have made Jeff a Morales and turn him Latino but a black son with black father issues was to much of drama bait to let go. So the mom being Latina and a Morales and the family taking up her last name ended up being Bendis choice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How big of a cuck is Miles' dad to take up his wife's surname?
9 months ago
Anonymous
He didn’t. He’s still Jefferson Davis, not Jefferson Morales.
>He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now
That has frick all to do with his character and is relatable only to a tiny part of the US population, whereas the Spider-Man IP is global
NTA but unironically "they'll" swap Miles to white when they're able to have a ton of black characters without
1. Character faces racism plots
and
2. Audiences complaining about forced diversity, Black person fatigue, ESG, etc.
In other words the ball is actually in your court.
Why bother with this autism when there are tons of alternatives?
Why would I waste time instead of just watching anime?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Go watch anime then. No one is stopping you. Leave, homosexual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This.
If you're looking for faithful adaptations, you ain't finding it in western media anymore.
And frankly, comics are shit, so you shouldn't be bothering with them or anything based on them anyways.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the diversity guy is actually a xenophobe
9 months ago
Anonymous
>picrel but for comics
it's amazing how you parasites use the exact same strategies and arguments no matter where you go to ruin everything good.
This. Literally the same thought exercise often considered wisdom in regard with creating non-humans/aliens. If you can take the character and swap their race and the only thing that changes is the aesthetics, then there's no reason why you can't change it because them being white, an alien, etc. isn't actually integral to the character.
>Black character with monkey tail who is dumb as blocks runs around fighting
Sounds like improvement
It's important that Mark is essentially a clone of Nolan yet the show still tried to push him as Korean
Not really. Its only used to establish why the vilts want earth. You could have hand waived it which is what kirk seemed to do towards the end with the other half breeds retaining their human parent's race.
He also looks like he's just wearing blackface. >Play DQIX way back when >Make blonde blue haired hero, two thots, and a tiny Mr. Popo >Mr. Popo ends up being my favourite character
I fricking miss that game.
This. Literally the same thought exercise often considered wisdom in regard with creating non-humans/aliens. If you can take the character and swap their race and the only thing that changes is the aesthetics, then there's no reason why you can't change it because them being white, an alien, etc. isn't actually integral to the character.
This is still a matter of changing a character design people are familiar with. Starfire's race doesn't matter since she's not human so why not make her purple?
Never said that. They're white characters who race is important Professor X, Beast, Jean Grey, Iron Man, Green Arrow, Iron Fist (Danny). Those are character who need to be white for their story to work. Most of the major characters who've been race swapped in the past were fine.
Miles being Afro Latino is important to his character. He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now. Your point doesn't make sense your just being overly antagonistic for no reason.
Your kind are disingenuous pieces of shit that will say race is important when it's convenient to you. Like how Nani's skin tone (not even race) it's crucial but the Polish culture of The Witcher characters is irrelevant
moron the budget of Titans was like nothing. Why waste money putting an actress in orange paint that will look shitty when they can just keep her normal skin tone, You're just a homosexual that will never be pleased. I don't even now who the frick Nani is. I'm talking about different characters.
This. Literally the same thought exercise often considered wisdom in regard with creating non-humans/aliens. If you can take the character and swap their race and the only thing that changes is the aesthetics, then there's no reason why you can't change it because them being white, an alien, etc. isn't actually integral to the character.
If you change the race of a character then people become aware of its race and the discussions surrounding the character become racial. Even Nick Fury a supposed example of raceswapping done right it's only mentioned when talking about raceswapping
If it doesn't matter, why bother doing it instead of being faithful to the source material?
Being faithful to the source material is more important than representation.
Superman being white is important to his character though.
The Kents wouldn't have adopted him, and even if they did he would've been visually adopted (remember, some versions of Clark pretends he was their biological kid), Growing up black in midwestern Kansas would've made him an outsider, which would impact his characters. As would being a powerful superhuman as an adult' way more people would side with Lex and General Lane if Clark were black.
It's a bit different when transferring to live action. You can find a wrong-raced actor that otherwise nails the role perfectly. you'll still generate outrage, but the actor's performance can turn that around. With Voice acting it's different because you don't actually care about the race of the VA you don't see.
In House of the Dragon they couldve race-swapped any character (they didnt even need to, there were already black characters) and they chose to race-swap characters whos physical features are essential to the story, AND they didnt alter the story to accommodate those changes leaving gaping plot holes, AND they shot down any fan theories that managed to reconcile the race-swap with the lore. I dont think you could get worse then these guys
I think House of the Dragon was when I drew the line on this moronic shit.
It's one thing to do pointless raceswaps, it's another entirely to completely frick with an entire story and make everyone involved seem like a fricking moron in order to facilitate a raceswap.
Now THAT is one where you can tell it was mandated by some stupid fricking exec.
>Some would argue that Mark's compassion is rooted in his love for his human mother, thus addressing why he decided to fight back with compassion instead of a full-blown fistfight. This essentially shows that Debbie's influence and shared Korean heritage with Mark acted as an anchor for him to make the right decision in the end.
Holy frick. Like actually holy shit.
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. >Kirkman
>why didn't he think about that in time of making his series
Because this [...]
Because people can change their opinions over the course of several decades? Even ignoring the race stuff, there's a lot of changes to the story and it's mostly been good. That's because Kirkman has improved in skill over 20 years, it's completely understandable he'd be better at writing after doing it for that long.
>We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s
Never understand the genre of white guys who self-deprecatingly humiliate themselves in this fashion. The minorities he's talking down to won't truly respect him and could take advantage of the kind of naivete he's playing (I even day that as a minority myself). >Because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics
I guess I'll give him that but if Mark as white as he seemingly looks in the comics is relatable to the minorities then it makes me wonder if people would give a shit about him at all if he wasn't white but another established minority in the comics. If Mark was like dark skinned latino at first would people still give a shit about him then. I feel like raceswaps and the notion of "whiteness being the default" is making me realize that minorities find whites more relatable than themselves to the point where they'd be more okay with raceswaps or visualizing themselves in the place of a white person than someone new who looks like them which seems like another whole can of worms. I believe my gripe this representation stuff is when it's coming down as narcissism where you have progressive black people call out the creators for being racist due to the depictions of Skylar despite her portrayal trying to match up her comic iteration. Knowing this info do we have to make Skylar more "palatable" for the sole purpose to present a positive role model for black people even if it betrays storybeats? Should EVERY minority group get that protective treatment? Mind you I'm not saying you should treat these people like dogshit but the creators of show were only piecing pre existing things and didn't want any controversy to ensure even though it did anyway. See I've even seen these types of "representation" folks want Atom Eve to get blackwashed in order to get that a black positive role. This what it comes down too. No love but resentment
How is it talking down to minorities when they’re acknowledging they didn’t give much thought to things like this but in retrospect they should have and since they’re doing an adaptation they can address those things now? Seems pretty straightforward and honest about failing as a creator to see past your own navel.
>he didn't shove enough party propaganda in his creations so he needs to make up for his failings
I sometimes wonder if you people even have the ability to self-reflect
Talking down by self-deprecatingly making fun of his own race in order to know he's "one of the good ones". Some minorities will you call out as being those "white guilt" and won't give you the time of day if they perceive you as dumb and annoying. I've seen some straight up make fun of white libs with this performative shit. It's like a man weirdly saying "all men are bad/stupid/pigs etc" mantra in order to let woman know he's on their side in such an emasculated way.
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
>We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
Go watch anime then. No one is stopping you. Leave, homosexual.
Anime really throws a wrench in the whole 'stories NEED diversity' idea doesn't it.
I mean, there can be diversity in anime, but it's the exception, not the norm (and when it happens it tends to be in modern times / a space opera. AKA appropriate to the setting).
You googled a random image because you don't actually watch any anime.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There is a point to be made that is really only normie-tier anime that has black characters but most are just tanned or a specific not African race like brown guy from Dungeon Meshi being middle eastern
9 months ago
Anonymous
You really didn't have to break Cinemaphile rules just because there's criminals here. But I know you can't help yourself for the attention seeking
9 months ago
Anonymous
>after losing a discussion that lasted hours anon pretend to not cara about it
9 months ago
Anonymous
>muh rules
Oh I forgot, this is the only blue board that bans people for saying Black person. Hence the reason nobody posts here anymore
Nta
99% of shows take place in Japan.
Japan is 99% Japanese.
Many American cartoons take place in city's. Particularly new York and california. Many of these city's are a melting pot so it makes sense for them to be represented as such - though going over the demographics of new York it's only 11% black and LA is only 6% black - the larger minorities are actually Latin (30 to 40%). Black ppl are honestly over represented in American shows.
I personally think the representation should make sense for setting.
>99% of shows take place in Japan.
Bro, almost every modern isekai takes place in a European/Dragon Quest inspired fantasy setting, and there are like 40 isekai anime airing this year alone.
And hell, plenty of American cartoons also take place in fantasy settings, and yet they still fill them full of black and brown people in random European settings.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they still fill them full of black and brown people in random European settings.
they shouldn't unless there is a logical reason for it, trade port, colonial location, large migrations due to war etc
>99% of shows take place in Japan. Japan is 99% Japanese.
Yet oddly Japan has this weird obsession to make characters at least half-Japanese even in cases where they’re meant to be foreigners living in Japan. Or make the main character explicitly of Japanese origin even when the story takes place in Europe or USA.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Japan has this weird obsession to make characters at least half-Japanese even in cases where they’re meant to be foreigners living in Japan.
Like Chad
[...]
Anime really throws a wrench in the whole 'stories NEED diversity' idea doesn't it.
I mean, there can be diversity in anime, but it's the exception, not the norm (and when it happens it tends to be in modern times / a space opera. AKA appropriate to the setting).
>I mean, there can be diversity in anime
There can be diversity in anime. Well done.
So you cherrypick a bunch of series where only 1% of the named characters are brown and proves that Japan cares about diversity?
There is a point to be made that is really only normie-tier anime that has black characters but most are just tanned or a specific not African race like brown guy from Dungeon Meshi being middle eastern
I realized that all those battle shounen series have characters from all over the world, that's their narrative function, they represent the foreigners
It's because the "diversity is super important" thing is mainly just white people brainworms.
No one else cares about that, most people care about a good/interesting story with characters they like.
What if some stories aren't as diverse as they are. Plus why can't they let minorities just voice white characters? Nobody gives a shit when that happens.
We could’ve had Hector wrecking everyone’s shit like in Curse of Darkness, but they made him a pathetic b***h instead. Everything about that show is just garbage.
This is why comics are not a real industry.
When George Lucas makes unnecessary changes to the original Star Wars trilogy people have no problem calling him a hack.
When a comic creator does it, comicgays will absolutely defend it and then have the gall to b***h and moan when no one cares about their comics.
>and then have the gall to b***h and moan when no one cares about their comics.
But you just made this fanfic part up. Literally only /misc/ complains about this shit.
>But you just made this fanfic part up.
Ufrickingwotm8?
Comicgays on Cinemaphile b***h constantly about people not caring about comics, especially non-big2 comics.
I hadn't watched the original trilogy since the era of VHS tapes
I was horrified when I decided to watch it on Disney+
It was filled with pointless, godawful cgi shit.(the parts without it were still decent)
The thing that confuses me is if the creator says diversity is so important then why didn't he think about that in time of making his series. I don't hate him for saying this tbh but he said no to raceswaps then his animated show wouldn't exist and probably be a pariah.
>why didn't he think about that in time of making his series
Because this
From the actual interview: >When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
Because people can change their opinions over the course of several decades? Even ignoring the race stuff, there's a lot of changes to the story and it's mostly been good. That's because Kirkman has improved in skill over 20 years, it's completely understandable he'd be better at writing after doing it for that long.
Listen i don't give half a shit about the asiatics Black folk or homosexuals. What bothers me is that the animation is based entirely on that fricking soft ass loser Coery Walker and his hello kitty ass art style when it was the rad chad Ryan Ottley who saved the shit from cancellation and made it the success it was with his unique visceral style. I still haven't forgiven Kirkman from taking the last page of the comic from him. But not even including him at all in the animation team is just fricking mind bending, i'm going to have to take matters on my own hands because of this betrayal.
He did black invincible and immediately had him kill his family for shock value. If I were Kirkman I'd wouldn't want that to be my only notable black character either.
>Viltrumite genes are so strong they can breed with grasshopper people and the offspring are just purple viltrumites that lose that colouring after a few years. >Mark looks Asian
Doesn't make any fricking sense
>Character is from a cosmopolitan area >Author makes is cosmopolitan >This is le bad
Like I'd get if Invincible was set in Iceland, Ireland or Finland but blacks exist in America
I mean you could argue that dark-skinned indians and austronesians/melanesians are black but I guess thats like saying koreans and manchurians are white
was a father to a kid thats not even his. He is literally anti back. If anything Goku is the Black person since he keeps running out on his family to go get in to fights
Reminder that the same individual who praise raceswaps would turn into little hitlerites if they spot lighter skinned minorities taking their roles. Example: Ryan Gosling as Black Panther is obviously the joke of the ages but if you suggest a lightskin black man should be casted then they start going in ballistic mode over the prospect of that happening. (Steinberg is Black-israeli and Agudong grew up in Hawaii btw). These types have a strong aversion for lightskin/white-passing minorities. I've even seen people b***h about the type of skin color Miles Morales should have in his live action debut. This shit even dates back when people were belly aching about Miles having 3c hair (forcing animators to change into 4c when black people can clearly have that hairstyle). This is why raceswapping is annoying because these homosexuals don't even follow the rules they impose onto others. No consistency ever.
I get what your trying to say. The name of the game to them is minority opertunities and representation without caring for its effects. I wouldn't be so mad if they were just fighting against white washing and just wanted accurate adaptation. This VA shit is nonsensical the right is bullshit beacuse at the end of the day it's voice acting you don't need to look the part. But, I honestly agree with the left. She looks like some fricking white chick and Nani dose have strong ethnic Hawaiian features. Their distinct look set them apart from tourists, now she looks like a tourist.
Mark looks exactly the same as a white person and an asian. Amber is unnecessary but she's a minor and shitty character anyway, the point is the ginger was retained
>Mark looks exactly the same as a white person and an asian.
They only made him asian because they wanted Steven Yeun for the voice.
Why can’t an Asian voice a white guy?
Doesn't seem to a problem in video game land, the whitest motherfricker in SF6 is voiced by an Asian and no one cares.
>as a white person and an asian
?
asians are white
They're saying he's drawn the same as a white man. If they didn't show his mom or mention him being asian you'd just assume he's white
I agree. There can be well done diversity changes. If the creator/team does it honestly and it helps or at least doesnt destroy the overall appeal, ok.
Because the consumer can sense if this is pushing or just for advertisment or pandering to a niche. Thats why noone cried that Samuel Jackson became Fury, because he is a beloved and good actor. While most casting is““who?“ and demands a much higher pay-off for the viewer! I look at you Finn from Star Wars!
>Thats why noone cried that Samuel Jackson became Fury,
they literally did that in the Ultimate comics run, they used his likeness and promised him he'd get to play Fury in the films.
>Mark looks exactly the same as a white person and an asian.
This reminds me of Batman sometimes. He legit looks Asian sometimes.
>Aka Larry Fink offered me a buttload of money and the casting director said I would be blacklisted like the LotR if I didn’t blackify most of the cast
>blacklisted like the LotR
Huh?
Was the director of the LotR movies blacklisted or something?
>blacklisted like the LotR
wut?
>there was a real lack of diversity
The correct response to this is always "so what?"
So the author wants to fix it and that’s why it was changed in the cartoon.
Shut the frick up ESL fricking moron
Seems like perfect English to me. Are you high, moron?
Why race swap existing characters when its an opportunity to mak new ones instead?
If you make new ones then you'll have to rewrite chunks of the story to include them. It would also be more money spent of actors to portray those characters.
why? people will b***h and moan anyways
>b***h and moan
>b***h and moan
>b***h and moan
Shut the frick up. You think you're above it all?You're more annoying that those who "b***h and moan". Frick off.
yeah I do think I'm better then culture warriors
>he says while participating in the culture war
the difference is that if he got what he wanted, and end to all moaning, then he can himself stop
whereas there would be no end to moaning about characters being changed, thats an endless path
so one makes the world an objectively better place if it ever suceeds, since it would mean the end to all whining
the other is blind reaction to things they dont like, and people will always find new things not to like
100% OC properties staring minorities receives b***hing now.
Its too far past for OC tolerance.
That only happens when the characters are ugly. That's why nobody cares about anime characters, that's a medium where whites are a minority
You're really fooling yourself if you think anime wouldn't be target of the culture b***hing too were it not for the fact 90% of them look default european white.
It's hilarious you think your ugly shit is disliked because of racism, you are like the journalists saying that africans are racist because The Little Mermaid flopped there
Name 5 examoles that don't boil down to
>this character is ugly
Or
>this is a new character thats acrually just replacing an old one and stealing some elses story as if we raceswapped them anyway
but we'll pretend it's because racism instead
That's basically what they did. Amber in the comics is pretty much a piece of cardboard with a nametag. Amber in the show, despicable as she may be, is an actual character.
>diversity is important to a series with space nazi/romans, blue and orange aliens, and a cast that already has good black and female representation
>generic wishy-washy talking points about seeing yourself in media
Yeah he was strong-armed into it or paid a shit-ton of money.
Also what the frick, he talks about how Mark being generic made him relatable to all sorts of fans of multiple ethnicities, then goes on to justify making him Korean.
>Given that Mark Jackson falls under the umbrella of being an immigrant, it creates a big change from the comics that the show utilized well (so far) despite not directly mentioning it
He is literally not an immigrant, and being a foreigner's kid literally never comes up, this is a stupid fricking reach and the stupid fricking Hispanic who wrote the article got his name wrong.
>Amber in the show, despicable as she may be, is an actual character.
An actual cardboard cutout that the characters pretended was real would be better than what we got.
>An actual cardboard cutout that the characters pretended was real would be better than what we got.
this. No reason to turn her into an extremely unpleasant b***h
A character being hated is better than a character being boring, that's a pretty common rule in writing. Nobody gives a frick about side character #308, don't try and act like anyone gave a shit about Amber before the show.
They do but they hardly receive any attention because companies would rather focus on characters that are already popular. Marvel made a ton of diversity characters in the last decade and besides Miles and Kamala they've all but faded into the background.
EXPERIMENTAL INTERNET GAS
How the frick did either of the characters you mentioned fade into the background?
Their new characters have the same writing quality of their comics that nobody reads, but more people drop them because they have no legacy
You cry when they make brand new minority characters too
Only when it's blatant lazy token shit like all the Marvel legacy characters
>Only when…
Don’t lie. You people change the goal posts every time.
NTA but don't most people like Staric Shock and Blade lol. If you think about it more minorities be very appreciative if they had their own IPs since you can create a lot of jobs for minorities when those exist. For all this preach for diversity, minorities especially black people still barely have any autonomy of their own within these companies. If black creators make a product then it means they could hire upwards 10+ of their own king and if great can possibly reach stardom with it leading to more higher opportunities in their careers (See Jordan Peele). Minorities being at the mercy of white and israelites ironically limits this possibility and sometimes will probably keep a few around for quota purposes and nothing more than that. Like when you think about how Black Dynamite has more black people during its inception than Miles Morales it starts to become a hilarious situation lol.
Old characters always get a pass by people who whine about minority characters. It doesn’t matter how “woke” or “up in your face” or “forced progressive propaganda” they were for their time, they don’t count because it happened before their time.
And look how much whining Jordan Peele generates around here even when he’s doing the exact thing they supposedly want. People are still seething over Get Out. Even when Black fricking Panther came out buttholes here spent months insisting it would bomb.
homie who gives a frick about the minority of morons who pull that shit when what I just said would benefit those groups more. Raceswaps if anything just accelerates more racial tension leading to more culture wars from both sides of the spectrum helping no one in the process. Raceswaps exist this way because companies wont let minorities create original products that flourish in the long term. You sound like the individual who sees a black product and shouts " THOSE OF YOU WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT RACESWAPS BETTER SEE PRODUCT TO UPLIFT BLACK PEOPLE OR ELSE YOU CANT COMPLAIN" rather than treating it like a nice product without blaming the customer/pressuring them with guilt. Just divisive shit for the sake of divisive shit.
>Raceswaps if anything just accelerates more racial tension
So how much did Jackie Brown accelerate racial tensions? Or the Batman when it changed Bock to a white guy? How much did racial tension rise from Karen Sisco being played by J-Lo and Carla Gugino? Did the Warriors ruin race relations when it turned characters into white dudes?
>Ignoring the whole TLM debacle where journalists engage in culture war bs by pitting Blacks and Asians against each other which partly succeeded when we had Black people saying Asians are the most hateful/racist people in the world because they didn't watch goyslop.
Can't wait for this same dumbass sound and dance next year with Snow White lol.
>I’m obsessed with whining about Disney remakes
What a sad existence
Nice projection there sunny when it took me no more than a few minutes to make this image when compared to the time I actual posted it with me mentioning disney only once. You're obviously pathological in goalposting and empty sealion arguments to realize the truth in the pudding so you'll keep ignoring what someone else says in hopes you'll find an answer there. Here's some homework assignment for you to do: >Old characters always get a pass by people who whine about minority characters. It doesn’t matter how “woke” or “up in your face” or “forced progressive propaganda” they were for their time, they don’t count because it happened before their time.
You're so close to the point yet so far that you'll probably be too low iq to give a proper response before this thread closes or at all when going to another thread desperate for (You)pamine.
>Inb4 I don't care
Yet you do if you're spending a good portion of your morning goalposting to some rando on a basetweaving forum.
> reducing her breast
Who cares about her skin color or her Deep One face? This is the real crime.
Twitter screencapt threads should be punishable by death
Kirkman is just sucking melanated wiener to prove he's not racist so that his show won't be taken down. That's literally it.
Who cares about diversity, it's not like their race factored into any plotlines.
Remember when John Byrne got accused of being racist because he said that it's insulting to racebend characters rather than create new ones just for the sake of it because it's just throwing black actors table scraps?
Yeah and that argument has always been dumb. Thats like saying getting an animated adaptation of a comic is "giving table scraps" to animation.
Actually, a more accurate analogy would be like saying that getting an animated adaptation of a live action movie is giving table scraps to animation.
Which is true, lest we forget that terrible Friday cartoon.
He’s right.
just admit you want those sweet blackrock shekels, Kirkman
LARRY FINK JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
Intellectually dishonest premise
So is this just the new trend? Making characters "Korean" while making them utterly indistinguishable as Korean unless you pay attention to the ramblings of some homosexual who worked on the show who will remind you every day how important it was that they make this otherwise 100% white character into a pseudo-asian, in a way that doesn't matter except in situations where the creators can jerk off in public about diversity.
I feel like this really got started when the Harry Potter lady came back years later and was like "Oh by the way, Dumbledoor was gay!" Weird retroactive changing that doesn't effect the story or character's actions in the story in any way.
I agree with the point this post is making but I do think animation and live action change the dynamic a bit so you have to hammer something down. His mom always seemed Asian to me so I don't see the issue. Amber is a problem though. Even without the race swap she's an entirely different fricking character in every conceivable way.
>His mom always seemed Asian to me
I never saw Debbie as Asian in the original comic especially when you compare her to Dupli-kate.
>Jews are deceitful pricks
Omg no way
Race swapping doesn't matter as long as the race isn't important to the character.
It's important that Mark is essentially a clone of Nolan yet the show still tried to push him as Korean
>Race swapping doesn't matter as long as the race isn't important to the character.
>Race is only "not important to the character" if they're white
We're wise to your tricks by now.
Never said that. They're white characters who race is important Professor X, Beast, Jean Grey, Iron Man, Green Arrow, Iron Fist (Danny). Those are character who need to be white for their story to work. Most of the major characters who've been race swapped in the past were fine.
So when are they going to raceswap Miles Morales to white
Miles being Afro Latino is important to his character. He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now. Your point doesn't make sense your just being overly antagonistic for no reason.
>Miles being Afro Latino is important to his character.
explain how
no, it's important to his character because the only reason his character exists in the first place is because political ideologues decided spider-man needed to be black
Anon, you go ask any latino reading comics if they feel Miles counts as a 'latino' character. They'll tell you there's nothing latino in him beyond his mom speaking spanish and being nuyorrican.
Nah they'd probably say he's a dirty Puerto Rican.
Who are you speaking for? I'm literally half Latino. Miles is one of the few characters I actually feel represented by.
This isn’t true at all. Miles had a big Latino and they all get pissed when people suggest a non Afro-latino to play him.
miles is Latino in name. Black person doesn't care about his heritage and can't even speak the language. on top of that, I'm mexican and everyone I talk to rolls their eyes at him. This garbage is way on the nose, even we don't want representation
The only reason he's Latino is because Bendis thought "Miles Morales" was a cool superhero name but only found out last minute that it was a Spanish surname so he had to jump through a myriad of hoops to make it work.
He could have just pick a different name but he was too stubborn. He could have made Jeff a Morales and turn him Latino but a black son with black father issues was to much of drama bait to let go. So the mom being Latina and a Morales and the family taking up her last name ended up being Bendis choice.
How big of a cuck is Miles' dad to take up his wife's surname?
He didn’t. He’s still Jefferson Davis, not Jefferson Morales.
>He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now
That has frick all to do with his character and is relatable only to a tiny part of the US population, whereas the Spider-Man IP is global
>He represents the more diverse background that a lot of kids find themselves in now
Yeah, because brownies are trying to exterminate the white race
NTA but unironically "they'll" swap Miles to white when they're able to have a ton of black characters without
1. Character faces racism plots
and
2. Audiences complaining about forced diversity, Black person fatigue, ESG, etc.
In other words the ball is actually in your court.
>when you stop complaining about our political activism we will support you
The fact that you view it as a matter of support is exactly why it keeps happening.
Why bother with this autism when there are tons of alternatives?
Why would I waste time instead of just watching anime?
Go watch anime then. No one is stopping you. Leave, homosexual.
This.
If you're looking for faithful adaptations, you ain't finding it in western media anymore.
And frankly, comics are shit, so you shouldn't be bothering with them or anything based on them anyways.
>the diversity guy is actually a xenophobe
>picrel but for comics
it's amazing how you parasites use the exact same strategies and arguments no matter where you go to ruin everything good.
Why only then, let's do it now, his race has nothing to do with his character
Never. He was inspired by Obama and Donald Glover, so he’ll always be black.
This. Literally the same thought exercise often considered wisdom in regard with creating non-humans/aliens. If you can take the character and swap their race and the only thing that changes is the aesthetics, then there's no reason why you can't change it because them being white, an alien, etc. isn't actually integral to the character.
race swapping is only tolerable if it happens with a side character that barely anyone gives a damn about
>Black man goes around picking fights
Sounds right
>goku's race isn't important to his character
huh?
>Black character with monkey tail who is dumb as blocks runs around fighting
Sounds like improvement
Not really. Its only used to establish why the vilts want earth. You could have hand waived it which is what kirk seemed to do towards the end with the other half breeds retaining their human parent's race.
better looking compare to Blue Mister. PoPo
He also looks like he's just wearing blackface.
>Play DQIX way back when
>Make blonde blue haired hero, two thots, and a tiny Mr. Popo
>Mr. Popo ends up being my favourite character
I fricking miss that game.
The black and hispanic communities will love Goku more than you ever will.
This is still a matter of changing a character design people are familiar with. Starfire's race doesn't matter since she's not human so why not make her purple?
Your kind are disingenuous pieces of shit that will say race is important when it's convenient to you. Like how Nani's skin tone (not even race) it's crucial but the Polish culture of The Witcher characters is irrelevant
moron the budget of Titans was like nothing. Why waste money putting an actress in orange paint that will look shitty when they can just keep her normal skin tone, You're just a homosexual that will never be pleased. I don't even now who the frick Nani is. I'm talking about different characters.
Yeah it does race is like the core part of character design
If you change the race of a character then people become aware of its race and the discussions surrounding the character become racial. Even Nick Fury a supposed example of raceswapping done right it's only mentioned when talking about raceswapping
If it doesn't matter, why bother doing it instead of being faithful to the source material?
Being faithful to the source material is more important than representation.
The show already gonna different from the source going from comic to tv alone.
If their race that much of a problem then you still have the comic.
Visual medium. Superman's white skin is as important as his red tighties.
Superman being white is important to his character though.
The Kents wouldn't have adopted him, and even if they did he would've been visually adopted (remember, some versions of Clark pretends he was their biological kid), Growing up black in midwestern Kansas would've made him an outsider, which would impact his characters. As would being a powerful superhuman as an adult' way more people would side with Lex and General Lane if Clark were black.
Not to mention he probably wouldn't get a job in the Daily Planet
Character designs are important to the character 100% of the time so your statement is irrelevant.
I will admit it only works sometimes.
It's a bit different when transferring to live action. You can find a wrong-raced actor that otherwise nails the role perfectly. you'll still generate outrage, but the actor's performance can turn that around. With Voice acting it's different because you don't actually care about the race of the VA you don't see.
this, only books that never described a character shoyld be allowed to do it,
In House of the Dragon they couldve race-swapped any character (they didnt even need to, there were already black characters) and they chose to race-swap characters whos physical features are essential to the story, AND they didnt alter the story to accommodate those changes leaving gaping plot holes, AND they shot down any fan theories that managed to reconcile the race-swap with the lore. I dont think you could get worse then these guys
I think House of the Dragon was when I drew the line on this moronic shit.
It's one thing to do pointless raceswaps, it's another entirely to completely frick with an entire story and make everyone involved seem like a fricking moron in order to facilitate a raceswap.
Now THAT is one where you can tell it was mandated by some stupid fricking exec.
>t. redditoid
>as long as the race isn't important to the character.
Too bad black people make their race the center of their universe
Then make a black character white.
Then make
a black character
white.
No. No. NO.
Not one more word out of you.
MAKE. A. BLACK. CHARACTER. WHITE.
Why not just race swap black characters?
If the race isn't important, then why even swap it?
Race swapping should only be done to characters where the race is important.
As long as marks fight with a certain viltramite is amazing I don't care about culture war homosexualry
You mean you want some of the ol rapey rapey, right?
No the one with the big ripped af old one you know who, I'm avoiding saying his name for spoiler reasons
Thankfully I don't have to worry about this autism when it comes to anime adaptations.
>Some would argue that Mark's compassion is rooted in his love for his human mother, thus addressing why he decided to fight back with compassion instead of a full-blown fistfight. This essentially shows that Debbie's influence and shared Korean heritage with Mark acted as an anchor for him to make the right decision in the end.
Holy frick. Like actually holy shit.
reminder that Op doesnt actually think that the person in their screenshot is right
theyre saying it to farm outrage
and (you) are the cattle
every field
"really important" = They gave me bags of money and a new truck.
More media needs black villains. Let people know what to expect when they leave their bubbles.
>Media needs to mirror my views warped by /misc/
>media needs to reinforce my warped views by media
I mean it makes sense. In 20 years whites will be the minority in the usa so might as well future proof your show
What is exactly wrong with lack of racial diversity?
Something something white supremacy something
Nothing, it's just about making media less white. Nobody cares when your Black Panthers and EEAAOs are almost racially homogeneous
There are black people all over Invincible comics
From the actual interview:
>When Season 1 came out, you discussed some changes made to the series in terms of diversity of the characters: Mark being Korean American for example, and Amber being Black. Representation on screen has been talked about so much since then — how much of that was on your mind when you were working on Season 2?
>Kirkman: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s. And there was a real lack of diversity in that series. And also, with the Invincible character himself, we talked to fans at all the conventions and places we would go, and because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics, everyone identified with him. We would have Filipino fans come up and say, I'm so excited that you made Mark Filipino, we would have Mexican fans come up and say, we're so excited that you made Mark Mexican. And it was just amazing to see how important representation is on a personal level when you're face-to-face with a person.
: That's something that's been really important to us. We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s.
>Kirkman
>We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s
Never understand the genre of white guys who self-deprecatingly humiliate themselves in this fashion. The minorities he's talking down to won't truly respect him and could take advantage of the kind of naivete he's playing (I even day that as a minority myself).
>Because his ethnicity was ambiguous in the comics
I guess I'll give him that but if Mark as white as he seemingly looks in the comics is relatable to the minorities then it makes me wonder if people would give a shit about him at all if he wasn't white but another established minority in the comics. If Mark was like dark skinned latino at first would people still give a shit about him then. I feel like raceswaps and the notion of "whiteness being the default" is making me realize that minorities find whites more relatable than themselves to the point where they'd be more okay with raceswaps or visualizing themselves in the place of a white person than someone new who looks like them which seems like another whole can of worms. I believe my gripe this representation stuff is when it's coming down as narcissism where you have progressive black people call out the creators for being racist due to the depictions of Skylar despite her portrayal trying to match up her comic iteration. Knowing this info do we have to make Skylar more "palatable" for the sole purpose to present a positive role model for black people even if it betrays storybeats? Should EVERY minority group get that protective treatment? Mind you I'm not saying you should treat these people like dogshit but the creators of show were only piecing pre existing things and didn't want any controversy to ensure even though it did anyway. See I've even seen these types of "representation" folks want Atom Eve to get blackwashed in order to get that a black positive role. This what it comes down too. No love but resentment
God did I say Skylar I meant fricking Amber
Had me thinking of breaking bad bro
Haha sorry about that but I hope I made my point across.
>The minorities he's talking down to
How is it talking down to minorities when they’re acknowledging they didn’t give much thought to things like this but in retrospect they should have and since they’re doing an adaptation they can address those things now? Seems pretty straightforward and honest about failing as a creator to see past your own navel.
>he didn't shove enough party propaganda in his creations so he needs to make up for his failings
I sometimes wonder if you people even have the ability to self-reflect
Talking down by self-deprecatingly making fun of his own race in order to know he's "one of the good ones". Some minorities will you call out as being those "white guilt" and won't give you the time of day if they perceive you as dumb and annoying. I've seen some straight up make fun of white libs with this performative shit. It's like a man weirdly saying "all men are bad/stupid/pigs etc" mantra in order to let woman know he's on their side in such an emasculated way.
>Talking down by self-deprecatingly making fun of his own race in order to know he's "one of the good ones".
Oh so because you made a joke about yourself you’re actually talking down to other people. JFC man. Listen to yourself.
It's called noticing a pattern with the type of people who say this. Try to keep up.
He called himself and some other writers dumb. Where did he make fun of white people?
Cringe
Lazy bums
Her logo in the animation is incredibly inconsistent and changes from scene to scene.
Based
>We have to recognize that a couple of dumb white guys made this comic book in the early 2000s
The wedge heels are unironically hotter
Souless
Bro you literally Created it that way
I thought his mom sorta looked asian in the comics. Mark didn't feel like asian but thought that was viltrumite genes taking over
>lack of diversity
Good.
Anime really throws a wrench in the whole 'stories NEED diversity' idea doesn't it.
I mean, there can be diversity in anime, but it's the exception, not the norm (and when it happens it tends to be in modern times / a space opera. AKA appropriate to the setting).
>Anime really throws a wrench in the whole 'stories NEED diversity' idea doesn't it.
Not as much as anons insist it does.
Bro, this is like 20 shows in an industry with literally hundreds per year.
Hell, a dozen of those characters are from Naruto/Boruto/One Piece alone.
I picked normie shows because that's what htis site is full of.
You googled a random image because you don't actually watch any anime.
There is a point to be made that is really only normie-tier anime that has black characters but most are just tanned or a specific not African race like brown guy from Dungeon Meshi being middle eastern
You really didn't have to break Cinemaphile rules just because there's criminals here. But I know you can't help yourself for the attention seeking
>after losing a discussion that lasted hours anon pretend to not cara about it
>muh rules
Oh I forgot, this is the only blue board that bans people for saying Black person. Hence the reason nobody posts here anymore
Nta
99% of shows take place in Japan.
Japan is 99% Japanese.
Many American cartoons take place in city's. Particularly new York and california. Many of these city's are a melting pot so it makes sense for them to be represented as such - though going over the demographics of new York it's only 11% black and LA is only 6% black - the larger minorities are actually Latin (30 to 40%). Black ppl are honestly over represented in American shows.
I personally think the representation should make sense for setting.
>99% of shows take place in Japan.
Bro, almost every modern isekai takes place in a European/Dragon Quest inspired fantasy setting, and there are like 40 isekai anime airing this year alone.
And hell, plenty of American cartoons also take place in fantasy settings, and yet they still fill them full of black and brown people in random European settings.
>they still fill them full of black and brown people in random European settings.
they shouldn't unless there is a logical reason for it, trade port, colonial location, large migrations due to war etc
>I personally think the representation should make sense for setting.
that's code for I don't wanna see nogs in fantasy, and I agree
>99% of shows take place in Japan. Japan is 99% Japanese.
Yet oddly Japan has this weird obsession to make characters at least half-Japanese even in cases where they’re meant to be foreigners living in Japan. Or make the main character explicitly of Japanese origin even when the story takes place in Europe or USA.
>Japan has this weird obsession to make characters at least half-Japanese even in cases where they’re meant to be foreigners living in Japan.
Like Chad
Yes, speedreader-kun
>I mean, there can be diversity in anime
There can be diversity in anime. Well done.
So you cherrypick a bunch of series where only 1% of the named characters are brown and proves that Japan cares about diversity?
I realized that all those battle shounen series have characters from all over the world, that's their narrative function, they represent the foreigners
Who's the nigglet beside Killer B?
>Character named Chocolove
>Good representation
>kami level
Yes.
It's because the "diversity is super important" thing is mainly just white people brainworms.
No one else cares about that, most people care about a good/interesting story with characters they like.
What if some stories aren't as diverse as they are. Plus why can't they let minorities just voice white characters? Nobody gives a shit when that happens.
Objectively bad writing.
Insane BDSM Ginger Isaac was the only thing that could’ve saved that shitshow.
>we could have had Insane BDSM Ginger Isaac
>instead we got a boring Father Pucci clone
Such disappointment was inevitable
We could’ve had Hector wrecking everyone’s shit like in Curse of Darkness, but they made him a pathetic b***h instead. Everything about that show is just garbage.
"It's okay when the japs do it."
If a creator wants to do this with their own work why care?
Integrity, if creators don'tt care about the integrity of their work, why should the fans be invested on their work?
>Comic creators
>Integrity
Sorry anon, that hasn't been the case in almost 20 years now.
Exactly, why do you think the Comic Book Industry is in the gutter?
If they're doing it out of their own volition then their integrity is intact
This is why comics are not a real industry.
When George Lucas makes unnecessary changes to the original Star Wars trilogy people have no problem calling him a hack.
When a comic creator does it, comicgays will absolutely defend it and then have the gall to b***h and moan when no one cares about their comics.
>and then have the gall to b***h and moan when no one cares about their comics.
But you just made this fanfic part up. Literally only /misc/ complains about this shit.
>But you just made this fanfic part up.
Ufrickingwotm8?
Comicgays on Cinemaphile b***h constantly about people not caring about comics, especially non-big2 comics.
I hadn't watched the original trilogy since the era of VHS tapes
I was horrified when I decided to watch it on Disney+
It was filled with pointless, godawful cgi shit.(the parts without it were still decent)
Sorry anon, those changes were approved by Lucas himself, integrity intact.
What about it ruins the integrity?
The thing that confuses me is if the creator says diversity is so important then why didn't he think about that in time of making his series. I don't hate him for saying this tbh but he said no to raceswaps then his animated show wouldn't exist and probably be a pariah.
>why didn't he think about that in time of making his series
Because this
Because people can change their opinions over the course of several decades? Even ignoring the race stuff, there's a lot of changes to the story and it's mostly been good. That's because Kirkman has improved in skill over 20 years, it's completely understandable he'd be better at writing after doing it for that long.
Raceswapping is only good when the character's turned black because well uh BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY
I thought he was asian actually the whole time, the other race swaps were stupid though
happas are just mutts, not asians
he just made a white american into a mutt american, or just american
Listen i don't give half a shit about the asiatics Black folk or homosexuals. What bothers me is that the animation is based entirely on that fricking soft ass loser Coery Walker and his hello kitty ass art style when it was the rad chad Ryan Ottley who saved the shit from cancellation and made it the success it was with his unique visceral style. I still haven't forgiven Kirkman from taking the last page of the comic from him. But not even including him at all in the animation team is just fricking mind bending, i'm going to have to take matters on my own hands because of this betrayal.
>Make a dumb b***h black
>Now when people hate her for being a dumb b***h, they are labled racist.
Now that's some big brain power plays there
He did black invincible and immediately had him kill his family for shock value. If I were Kirkman I'd wouldn't want that to be my only notable black character either.
I’m all right with racially changing mark because it allowed us to get the excellent Steven Yuen.
>brown in the source material
>brown in the tv show
>is evil
completely based, dare i say
What’s his justification for making Amber a worse person after they made her black?
They had to make her act black too.
>Viltrumite genes are so strong they can breed with grasshopper people and the offspring are just purple viltrumites that lose that colouring after a few years.
>Mark looks Asian
Doesn't make any fricking sense
I don't care about the race swaps. I'm more annoyed that it's not enough that William is out, he has to be out and FLAMING.
Real diversity would have been making new POC characters, not raceswapping out the white ones.
>Character is from a cosmopolitan area
>Author makes is cosmopolitan
>This is le bad
Like I'd get if Invincible was set in Iceland, Ireland or Finland but blacks exist in America
Both were cosmopolitan 20 years ago as well, why was it okay then but not now
Piccolo is the only cool black dude in anime
>b-b-but he is green!!!
PICCOLO!!
Indian coded for a Chinese story, Toriyama didn't and still doesn't care about black people representation
I mean you could argue that dark-skinned indians and austronesians/melanesians are black but I guess thats like saying koreans and manchurians are white
was a father to a kid thats not even his. He is literally anti back. If anything Goku is the Black person since he keeps running out on his family to go get in to fights
>He is literally anti back.
*anti-black
autocorrect does some weird shit.
Does it really add anything positive when it just depicts the stereotype of black women being unlikable and adversarial?
He made the comic, why didn’t he make Mark asian and Amber black from the beginning if diversity was so important?
Good news anon, there's an article which answers that question. It's linked in the OP.
OK, I won't watch your series.
Reminder that the same individual who praise raceswaps would turn into little hitlerites if they spot lighter skinned minorities taking their roles. Example: Ryan Gosling as Black Panther is obviously the joke of the ages but if you suggest a lightskin black man should be casted then they start going in ballistic mode over the prospect of that happening. (Steinberg is Black-israeli and Agudong grew up in Hawaii btw). These types have a strong aversion for lightskin/white-passing minorities. I've even seen people b***h about the type of skin color Miles Morales should have in his live action debut. This shit even dates back when people were belly aching about Miles having 3c hair (forcing animators to change into 4c when black people can clearly have that hairstyle). This is why raceswapping is annoying because these homosexuals don't even follow the rules they impose onto others. No consistency ever.
I get what your trying to say. The name of the game to them is minority opertunities and representation without caring for its effects. I wouldn't be so mad if they were just fighting against white washing and just wanted accurate adaptation. This VA shit is nonsensical the right is bullshit beacuse at the end of the day it's voice acting you don't need to look the part. But, I honestly agree with the left. She looks like some fricking white chick and Nani dose have strong ethnic Hawaiian features. Their distinct look set them apart from tourists, now she looks like a tourist.
Twitter is filled with worst dregs of Tumblr immigrants. Nobody should give a shit what they say.
That doesn't justify turning Amber into a c**t.