Chuck was right though. Even when Jimmy got hired on with Davis and Mane and was being treated like a respectable lawyer by his peers, he still decided to do shit in his own way regardless of what the partners would have thought. Jimmy was self sabotaging due to his addiction with conning people and taking the easy way.
jimmy disrespected something chuck considered sacred, the law. jimmy sleazed his way through some bullshit law school and passed the bar because the plot needed him to. he was a scumbag. he was scamming people in the first episode, and this was before jimmy knew chuck hated him. jimmy did it because he never changed
>jimmy disrespected something chuck considered sacre
He wouldn't have needed to "disrespect" the law if he wasn't backed into a corner by his brother constantly. Not only did Jimmy provide for him but his brother was playing against him. Their journeys didn't start at episode 1.
so its chuck and howards fault that jimmy is a scumbag con artist because chuck didn't want him working as a lawyer at their prestigious firm?
>he was scamming people in the first episode
Which is still long after his dream of working with Chuck had been crushed in the show's timeline. He didn't know Chuck was the one plotting against him, but he was still bitter at the world and resorted to chicanery because Howard was keeping him working for any respectable firm (or so he thought).
>if he wasn't backed into a corner by his brother constantly.
He was paid $700 per Mickey Mouse PD case. At 5 cases a week that's $180k a year from PD work alone. Even if he only took half of it home with taxes and expenses and whatnot he could easily cash in close to six figures in 2000s New Mexico. He wasn't gonna drive around in a Jaguar like Howard but it's more than enough to live comfortably even as a no-name solo practitioner
you can't provide a competent defense to someone if you're taking 5 clients a week. They even talk about this later when Kim starts taking a lot of PD cases, saying that with the amount of hours each case requires she's making less than minimum wage.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bro it's PD, nobody expects Johnny Cochran. Kim was swamped because she was working for Mesa Verde then taking all the PD shit in her spare time. Five clients a week is more than doable, especially if he's not doing anything else. My point is, he could have been busting his ass but making nice money. He never had to resort back to scamming and shit, but yeah that's Slippin' Jimmy
3 months ago
Anonymous
you really don't know what you're talking about. You simply cannot take on 5 PD clients a week, every week. You don't understand the amount of preparation that goes into a criminal defense, even a modest one. These cases last for years as well, you can't just take a new one every single day.
>he was scamming people in the first episode
Which is still long after his dream of working with Chuck had been crushed in the show's timeline. He didn't know Chuck was the one plotting against him, but he was still bitter at the world and resorted to chicanery because Howard was keeping him working for any respectable firm (or so he thought).
This is the weakest argument in the Jimmygay arsenal. Chuck didn’t owe his brother anything. It was perfectly reasonable for him not to want him working at HHM after a lifetime of observing his slippin homosexualry. He never held a gun to Jimmy’s head and forced him to be a piece of shit.
>Chuck didn’t owe his brother anything
And Jimmy didn't owe Chuck anything but he helped him out because he unconditionally loved his brother. You sound like you never had siblings.
>Being this moronic
He wanted Jimmy around him you complete shitbrain. The very last scene of him has him even ask if Jimmy wants to hang out. Chuck was a real butthole but in his heart he loved his brother.
3 months ago
Anonymous
the last scene jimmy has with chuck is when chuck tells him he never cared about him
3 months ago
Anonymous
The last scene he has with Chuck is a flashback in the finale. It's shown several times throughout the series (including in that scene) that Chuck cared a great deal about Jimmy once.
Even if Chuck was right he should have had the decency to tell him to his face that he wasn't going to support him because he thought he wasn't fit to be a lawyer, instead of pretending to support him and hiding behind his partner. That was amoral, especially when Jimmy continued to care for him out of family loyalty and love.
Also, his view that doing law school through a correspondence course was a shortcut or didn't make him a "real lawyer" was an absurd position and just indefensible elitism. He passed the bar exam and was admitted, so he was a real lawyer. Managing to do that while working a full time job is not a shortcut.
it undermines the legal profession, which is self-regulating, so makes it likelier that the government will take that power away from the bar association.
>I AM NOT CRAZY! I know he swapped those hostages. I knew it was Bane. The mercenary, the masked man. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. NEVER! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his face, he got that idiot at the airfield to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This master plan? He's done worse. That plane crash! Are you telling me that a plane just happens to fall like that? No! HE orchestrated it! BANE! He CRASHED this plane with NO SURVIVORS! And I listed him on the flight plan! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own aircraft! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll NEVER change! Ever since he was a lowly thug, ALWAYS the same! Couldn't keep his men out of his wreckage! But not our Bane! Couldn't be PRECIOUS BANE! Crashing them blind! And HE gets to start the fire? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him. You--
All Jimmy needed was an outlet for his creativity and a workplace that had 50% less stick up its ass. If Davis and Maine had gone “wow, great job on that commercial Jimmy. You’re in charge of all of them from now on” then he would’ve been fine. His Saul persona was created to exact revenge on a world that had demeaned and dismissed him for years.
>then he would’ve been fine
You guys are like battered wives. He wouldn't be OK, the moment it became fine for him to shoot commercials he'd become bored of it, then look to do something scummy. Jimmy was a sociopath, you can't fix him.
But he didn't do a great job on the commercial, that was the problem. You want Davis and Maine to kiss his ass so he doesn't throw a tantrum?
Although the other anon is also right, he would've gotten bored.
To me the whole point of the Davis and Maine section of the story was just to show that he could never have thrived in a normal firm doing normal work. He had to do things his own way no matter what, and his own way was usually sleazy.
The point of the Davis and Maine section wasn't just to show how he doesn't like normal firm work but that he is terribly insecure about being seen as lesser by his co-workers and Chuck since they don't trust him watching his every move. He thinks all they see is Slippin' Jimmy.
>terribly insecure about being seen as lesser
But he is lesser. He's not a good lawyer, just a good conman. He should never have worked in a firm like Maine's or HHM
you completely missed the part where Cliff talked about the image the firm was trying to cultivate. you have clearly never worked in a professional environment
3 months ago
Anonymous
>OH NO MUH REPUTATION MIGHT HAVE BUT DIDN'T GET DAMAGED
He didn't give a single frick about that film or how it could have helped trying to help as many people as it can. Is projection also part of your cope?
>his diapey
HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR OWN BROTHER THE SPICY BATTERY JIMMY?!
I WARNED YOU ABOUT LANTERNS BRO
I TOLD YOU DOG
Chuck was right though. Even when Jimmy got hired on with Davis and Mane and was being treated like a respectable lawyer by his peers, he still decided to do shit in his own way regardless of what the partners would have thought. Jimmy was self sabotaging due to his addiction with conning people and taking the easy way.
its funny people actually defend jimmy. he was trying to con people from the very first episode lol
>Chuck was right though
He was right in the sense that his brother had problems but he only worsened them by being an unsupportive butthole.
jimmy disrespected something chuck considered sacred, the law. jimmy sleazed his way through some bullshit law school and passed the bar because the plot needed him to. he was a scumbag. he was scamming people in the first episode, and this was before jimmy knew chuck hated him. jimmy did it because he never changed
>jimmy disrespected something chuck considered sacre
He wouldn't have needed to "disrespect" the law if he wasn't backed into a corner by his brother constantly. Not only did Jimmy provide for him but his brother was playing against him. Their journeys didn't start at episode 1.
so its chuck and howards fault that jimmy is a scumbag con artist because chuck didn't want him working as a lawyer at their prestigious firm?
jimmy belonged in the mail room
>if he wasn't backed into a corner by his brother constantly.
He was paid $700 per Mickey Mouse PD case. At 5 cases a week that's $180k a year from PD work alone. Even if he only took half of it home with taxes and expenses and whatnot he could easily cash in close to six figures in 2000s New Mexico. He wasn't gonna drive around in a Jaguar like Howard but it's more than enough to live comfortably even as a no-name solo practitioner
you can't provide a competent defense to someone if you're taking 5 clients a week. They even talk about this later when Kim starts taking a lot of PD cases, saying that with the amount of hours each case requires she's making less than minimum wage.
Bro it's PD, nobody expects Johnny Cochran. Kim was swamped because she was working for Mesa Verde then taking all the PD shit in her spare time. Five clients a week is more than doable, especially if he's not doing anything else. My point is, he could have been busting his ass but making nice money. He never had to resort back to scamming and shit, but yeah that's Slippin' Jimmy
you really don't know what you're talking about. You simply cannot take on 5 PD clients a week, every week. You don't understand the amount of preparation that goes into a criminal defense, even a modest one. These cases last for years as well, you can't just take a new one every single day.
>he was scamming people in the first episode
Which is still long after his dream of working with Chuck had been crushed in the show's timeline. He didn't know Chuck was the one plotting against him, but he was still bitter at the world and resorted to chicanery because Howard was keeping him working for any respectable firm (or so he thought).
>some bullshit law school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa_Community_College
I'll have you know it's a real college.
This is the weakest argument in the Jimmygay arsenal. Chuck didn’t owe his brother anything. It was perfectly reasonable for him not to want him working at HHM after a lifetime of observing his slippin homosexualry. He never held a gun to Jimmy’s head and forced him to be a piece of shit.
the people who defend jimmy are usually degenerate trash
That's rich coming from a Cinemaphileer
>Chuck didn’t owe his brother anything
And Jimmy didn't owe Chuck anything but he helped him out because he unconditionally loved his brother. You sound like you never had siblings.
chuck didnt even want jimmy to do that, he wanted to pay someone to do it
>Being this moronic
He wanted Jimmy around him you complete shitbrain. The very last scene of him has him even ask if Jimmy wants to hang out. Chuck was a real butthole but in his heart he loved his brother.
the last scene jimmy has with chuck is when chuck tells him he never cared about him
The last scene he has with Chuck is a flashback in the finale. It's shown several times throughout the series (including in that scene) that Chuck cared a great deal about Jimmy once.
That's why Jimmy confessed in the end, to prove that he could change.
he confessed in the end to show off to kim. you actually think he was being honest about anything? did you even watch the fricking show
>no you see that guy stoically went to a life of enslavement for uh.. a con... to impress a girl
Even if Chuck was right he should have had the decency to tell him to his face that he wasn't going to support him because he thought he wasn't fit to be a lawyer, instead of pretending to support him and hiding behind his partner. That was amoral, especially when Jimmy continued to care for him out of family loyalty and love.
Also, his view that doing law school through a correspondence course was a shortcut or didn't make him a "real lawyer" was an absurd position and just indefensible elitism. He passed the bar exam and was admitted, so he was a real lawyer. Managing to do that while working a full time job is not a shortcut.
What's wrong with conning people?
As long as you believe there's also nothing wrong with physical coercion or a threat of force, then nothing is wrong with conning
However if one is wrong, they're both wrong, as they both seek to subdue someone to your will against their wishes
it undermines the legal profession, which is self-regulating, so makes it likelier that the government will take that power away from the bar association.
that means you are pajeet in soul
People don't rlly change tbh. You can never fully change. It's always there waiting to frick you up and others around you
inb4 saul gets eaten by a shark
inb4 kim explodes
>I AM NOT CRAZY! I know he swapped those hostages. I knew it was Bane. The mercenary, the masked man. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. NEVER! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his face, he got that idiot at the airfield to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This master plan? He's done worse. That plane crash! Are you telling me that a plane just happens to fall like that? No! HE orchestrated it! BANE! He CRASHED this plane with NO SURVIVORS! And I listed him on the flight plan! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own aircraft! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll NEVER change! Ever since he was a lowly thug, ALWAYS the same! Couldn't keep his men out of his wreckage! But not our Bane! Couldn't be PRECIOUS BANE! Crashing them blind! And HE gets to start the fire? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him. You--
>and he gets to start the fire?
Holy frick I love Baneposters so much. It truly is the one meme to rule them all.
https://voca.ro/1fDqbVZ4TRt8
gold jerry
thank you
Why did they do it?
All Jimmy needed was an outlet for his creativity and a workplace that had 50% less stick up its ass. If Davis and Maine had gone “wow, great job on that commercial Jimmy. You’re in charge of all of them from now on” then he would’ve been fine. His Saul persona was created to exact revenge on a world that had demeaned and dismissed him for years.
>then he would’ve been fine
You guys are like battered wives. He wouldn't be OK, the moment it became fine for him to shoot commercials he'd become bored of it, then look to do something scummy. Jimmy was a sociopath, you can't fix him.
But he didn't do a great job on the commercial, that was the problem. You want Davis and Maine to kiss his ass so he doesn't throw a tantrum?
Although the other anon is also right, he would've gotten bored.
To me the whole point of the Davis and Maine section of the story was just to show that he could never have thrived in a normal firm doing normal work. He had to do things his own way no matter what, and his own way was usually sleazy.
The point of the Davis and Maine section wasn't just to show how he doesn't like normal firm work but that he is terribly insecure about being seen as lesser by his co-workers and Chuck since they don't trust him watching his every move. He thinks all they see is Slippin' Jimmy.
>terribly insecure about being seen as lesser
But he is lesser. He's not a good lawyer, just a good conman. He should never have worked in a firm like Maine's or HHM
Nah, he is a pretty good lawyer and his ad campagn actually would have helped the seniors. Stop coping.
you completely missed the part where Cliff talked about the image the firm was trying to cultivate. you have clearly never worked in a professional environment
>OH NO MUH REPUTATION MIGHT HAVE BUT DIDN'T GET DAMAGED
He didn't give a single frick about that film or how it could have helped trying to help as many people as it can. Is projection also part of your cope?
*teleports behind howardsama*
Would someone autistic like Chuck even be able to be a lawyer irl?
Sure, there are plenty of lawyers with autism. Not every attorney is a litigator, in fact most never go to court.
>IM ACTING