Not just that but there's a billion street shitters hired out to market pretty much every crap fest in existence so a lot of time is spent telling these people to stop shitting in the street and that their product is awful.
no, really.
people are still talking about the wire, the sopranos, breaking bad, the lotr trilogy, the godfather, shawshank, the shining, pulp fiction, all that good shit
but some shitty netflix show that started as a 7/10 in s01, went down to 6/10 for s02 and then ended on a cliffhanger before being cancelled? yea, who the frick wants to remember that
or worse yet, something like GoT that started as a 9/10 and ended as a 1/10. that shit we're actively trying to forget.
>or worse yet, something like GoT that started as a 9/10 and ended as a 1/10. that shit we're actively trying to forget.
The first season of GOT was saved by executives at HBO who were controlling D&D at the time. The unaired piolet showed what a disaster D&D were at writing and directing. By season 4, they had removed all the executive control above them and had total power and went fricking made with power, creating huge costly sets that they barely even filmed because they got the tight close ups.
The first season of GOT and honestly the first four seasons of GOT when they followed the books should be an example to the world of what we COULD have gotten.
People should be going out there and demanding a reboot.
>People should be going out there and demanding a reboot.
there was actually a petition (change.org) after the ending of s08
at least 1m signatures
but yea, no, that's not happening, not unless fatso actually finishes (or at least some1 else finishes from his notes)
then maybe in 10-20 years we'll get a reboot
a lot of it is shit, but another thing is the sheer volume of content accessible within 2 clicks of the mouse/remote
why would people waste time dwelling on the series they just finished when there's another one waiting for them 2 clicks away?
martin is a hack coping about how everyone mocks him for clearly never intending to finish the books
however much as he's a shitty messenger he's right on the general climate, too many people get off on being permanently seething
yep, the massive amount of media available and the ability to simply stay in your own personal niche has mostly killed off the notion of long lasting nearly universally recognized shows outside of rare exceptions
Are you stupid? There is so much media produced these days that people move on to the next thing. Flavor of the month means just that. This isn't the 1940s where Casablanca gets an 18-month theatrical run. The longest in recent memory was Avatar 2 with 5ish months, amd even that is less than half of what Avatar got only 15 years ago.
The film industry is oversaturated as hell largely because of streaming. When streaming contracts, which is already happening, the saturation will lessen.
It's all shit but also culture is more fractured than ever before. How will something make a big splash and be remembered when the only stuff that reaches popular consumption is lowest denominator slop?
It's the "content" paradigm. It's not films or series or documentaries or interviews or novels or albums anymore, it has all been subsumed by content. Empty calories for the brain.
Thanks to streaming services, there is an incredibly cheaplu accessible , endless supply of it, and most of it is released all at once. The handful of things that aren't only end up being 8-10 episodes long so there's not a lot of time for build up or discussion.
Compare it to the days where Lost had 23 episodes a season and that season lasted over half of the year, and it's obvious why shows are quickly forgotten now.
And yes, there was some shows that had short seasons that stood up, like Breaking Bad. But those were few and far between, and most of them happened before streaming services and entire season dumps really took off.
It cannot be understated enough how damaging streaming services truely have become to the modern film and tv show industries. Just think about it, the price of a single DVD back in the early 00s is the same as a month (or muliple months) of an entire streaming service. You can get half a year of streaming for the price of a single season of tv on DVD. It's completely fricked everything.
It's not just that it's shit.
Most media through history is forgettable shit that doesn't last the test of time.
The main issue today is that it is shit and it is demoralizing, mean spirited, and evil. In the past shit media at least tried to tell a story and had a hero and maybe some lady would whip her breasts out in the B movie and then people would move on.
Now the movies and shows are all about deconstructing and destroying civilization, society, and relationships at a macro scale. So even big projects are designed to fail in a way and be shitty because they are intended to be shit, unlike in the past where shit was an accident or fault of incompetence.
100% this
He's just making excuses. >Ukraine civil war's been going on since 2014 >ISIS has been a thing long before Yemen, Israel/Palestine, etc >Middle East in general has been happening since 2001 >Trump since 2015
Something will always be happening in the world. You can't keep making that excuse for everything. He should've just stopped stringing everybody along and tell his fans and publishers not to expect anything from him.
>He should've just stopped stringing everybody along and tell his fans and publishers not to expect anything from him.
That wouldn't be a good business decision. He continues to rake in money from book and tv deals, if he came out and said he's never finishing Ice and Fire that could severely damage future earnings and couch sessions with Shae.
That's why I said publishers
He can still have his fun writing little notes and exciting scenes for HotD or the Dunk & Egg side stories he has.
No doubt he'll have a producer role for everything ASOIF related shows.
And giving up writing the books doesn't stop him from getting royalties for the things he's already wrote.
What's the point of being old and rich if you can't insulate yourself from the rest of the world, not care, and pursue what you love to do? But I think he's lacking the last part. If there was a pie eating measure then he'd be breaking records
What's odd, is that he can literally be the change he wants to see in the world by pumping out his books and raking in that cash.
I don't think he has kids right? Just him and his wife? Donate a chunk of the money you make to Biden or Democrats.
Donate to Ukraine, Palestine, whatever fricking interest group he happens to support.
I don't agree with everything he believes in, but I fully support his ability to throw his money at it.
I don't blame poor people for feeling lost because they have no power to influence their lives. But this rich fat frick?
Yeah.....no more Dunk and Egg are ever coming. Problem with that series (and all the Dance stuff) is that all of it ties in with the main ASOIAF series and he just can't deal with it at all.
He's a boomer, that money is his damn it! To spend on......literally nothing. Imagine the propaganda coup if he were to help outfit some Ukie military units, spooks should be giving him a nudge. But maybe he's trapped, classic fat person problem, and has never sought liberty or freedom and is stuck in his little lane
What's the point of being old and rich if you can't insulate yourself from the rest of the world, not care, and pursue what you love to do? But I think he's lacking the last part. If there was a pie eating measure then he'd be breaking records
The black pill is actually that he is looking forward to dying to be released from the pressure. The worst possible fate in his mind is writing it and having people hate it. He would rather exist in perpetual tease mode.
I've been thinking how Frank Herbert inadvertently got off ending the Dune series. Chapterhouse has a pretty big build up in the end that's basically unlike anything else in the series. I don't know how he would've ultimately ended the confrontation with the old Imperium vs. the Enemy. Instead his son continued it wrote some shitty fanfiction and it's considered kind of meh with some hardcore fans convinced Frank would've made it amazing
GRRM if he dies will leave people with an impression of a better book and ending than he could've ever produced himself. Any author finishing it will instead get the blame
It was called the imdb comment section and it was deleted because liberals didn't have a safe space. >Often, the boards only seemed to exist for people to bash others’ dissenting opinions, or thoroughly trash the TV or movies being discussed, no matter how critically acclaimed or generally popular. At their worst, they would delve into other sorts of offensive commentary, or even racist remarks. >people disagreed with me! DELETE IT! >people don't worship mainstream trash! DELETE IT! >people aren't liberal! DELETE IT!
all the different IMDb boards had infinitely more value than Cinemaphile on its best day.
in fact, it was one of the last places that had its own little microcosms.
I miss the imdb comments. An orchestra member in New York mailed me a bootleg box set of Combat Missions after I posted how much I liked the show and wished they'd make DVDs
He’s right but his books are still crap. Millions of irony-poisoned incels who can’t experience joy anymore so they try and suck the joy from other people.
It says that I'm mad at morons who are still in denial and swallow false media narratives attacking normal people
I bet you also said that there was no culture war back in 2019
>"I have a "big platform." Whatever that is." >actually writing out "Sigh."
I liked the books but this guy sucks. How does he turn this gay shit off to write something creative? That's an impressive feat. Or it was, anyways, I guess the ponce side won, since he is incapable of writing anything other than woe-is-me blog drivel.
Fat homosexual crying about nothing, maybe he can wipe away his tears with all the millions that he made from scamming his fans and not doing his fricking job
People that I hate took things that I loved, self inserted themselves, and attacked anyone who didn't shill for them. Now I hate it and them even more. We have leftists and their woke agenda to thank for fan bases pessimism.
Spending 14 years on one book which is almost as long as he's taken to write the previous 5 books has left most fans completely stir-crazy. The theory crowd has pretty much become unhinged like as close to a real life infinite monkey theorem where every possibility ever has been proposed meaning the book has actually been written by millions of redditors.
Hes 100% right though. The only reason people think Jordan is better than Lebron is because the media of the 90s diefied Jordan as a god and he was universally beloved. The media of the 00's and social media did nothing but kill Lebron for every mistake
Lebron is great because you can immediately write off anyone who dickrides jordan as a homosexual boomer.
It was the media who dickrode lebron so hard and started the jordan debate before he even won a ring. Dude has been chasing rings ever since just to meet jordan and he blows up teams he's on.
A liberal homosexual feminist Protestant was teaching a class on George R.R. Martin, known hack
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Gurm and accept that Planetos is the greatest fantasy setting of all time even greater than Arda!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, British WW1 veteran who had served 1500 tours of duty on the Somme and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all decisions made by Butcher Haig stood up.
”What are the linguistic differences among the peoples of Westeros?”
The arrogant proddie smirked quite schismatically and smugly replied “There is the Old Tongue and the Common Tongue, you stupid warmonger”
”Wrong. There should be hundreds of dialects. If the Wall is 8000 years old as you say, how can the Wildlings and Northmen understand one another?”
The HBO shill was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of A World of Ice and Fire. He stormed out of the room crying those redditor crocodile tears. The same tears redditors (who today live in such luxury most can afford sex changes) cried when Missandei was beheaded. There is no doubt that at this point our sola scriptura-homosexual wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a garbage pulp fiction fan. He wished so much he could die a glorious death in battle, but he had sworn to always be a draft dodger!
The students applauded and became Tolkien fans that day and accepted the Pope as their Lord and Master. A giant eagle named “Thorondor” flew into the room and perched atop the flag of Gondor and shed a tear on the White Tree. Beowulf was read in the original Old English several times, and Eru Ilúvatar himself showed up and enacted Aragorn's flat rate tax policy across the universe.
The Lutheran was fired the next day and sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up he was shitting brown water.
>The Lutheran was fired the next day and sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up he was shitting brown water.
Nice touch
Nah back then, it was much more innocent. It’s why MMO communities were so much better and impossible to replicate nowadays where it’s full of angry people.
Doesn't he write in an etch a sketch that he had as a kid? How does he know what social media even is? Which one of you homosexuals taught him the internet? Now he's never going to finish his shit series.
What truly matters is that he butt fricked this entire website's ego, especially Cinemaphile. How can an old fat man make Cinemaphile seethe so much? You already lost by being baby ass b***hes.
My favorite seeth was Brandon Sanderson. He said something like >they hired this boomer who hasn't written a book in ten years and blogs about football all day instead of me, a souls veteran who has played all the games and already has a souls style lore outline
I can’t stand him as an author but it was pretty Spiney of him to say, “ me? Finish asoiaf? Frick that noise lol”
what makes you see him as spineless? Idk much else about him.
Of course you go on Cinemaphile, you brown trannies all act exactly like this. You spend every singe second of every single day trying to own the chuds on Cinemaphile. You’re miserable.
George is just another twitter addicted mind broken liberal along the lines of Stephen King. A fat homosexual who will never make anything of quality and will spend what little time he has left on this earth wringing his hands over gay bullshit.
George doesn't use Twitter, he's famously low-tech. He used an MS-DOS machine to write until it broke and he lost a ton of progress in like 2007, and now he uses a PC emulating Wordstar 4 from 1987
There is media from the last 10 years that I enjoy but I have no problem with people trashing all of it. The industry in general is full of the worst people in society and all of the profits from these non-essentials could be saving lives. "Artists" should only be able to make very modest livings from art.
I dont remember that (outside goodreads) people talked about books in social media.
Maybe this old fart just scared to say that social media is a plague where Black person culture, troonyism, homosexualry, and other degenerate things being passed around like a business card.
This fat piece of shit is setting the stage for his "retirement" message. This and his recent blog crying about the state of the world and even bringing up Trump. He'll put out a message saying he's not releasing WoW because the world doesn't deserve it. Fat frick.
I’ll never understand lefties whining like the world is collapsing all the time meanwhile society is more left wing overall than its ever been in human history.
I think the key to understanding the pathology of leftwing psychology is to understand that they have no idea why rightwing people believe what they do, while rightwing people have a pretty good idea why leftwing people believe what they do.
For example: leftwing people cannot understand the reasons behind a rightwing person not supporting abortion, so to them they are just evil, or spiteful, or hateful of women, or ignorant, whatever negative insult they choose. While the rightwing person would explain that they don't want abortion because they think it is immoral to kill an unborn child due to their religion or other ethical considerations.
Now of course this can apply to rightwingers from time to time as well not understanding the exact reasoning for leftwing perspectives, but it is nowhere as common. This has been proven by psychological studies.
He is right. I was so fed up that I ended up creating a youtube channel about my favourite series just to talk about it. Currently at 10k subs. Very happy about it.
having a proper opinion about something requires time and effort. It's easier to just be mechanicaly contrarian and hateful. That's a substitute of knowledge for idiots
People laugh when obvious propaganda shit doesn’t make money.
we have a perfect example. That's the most common thing on this board. They are not interested in movies but for some reason they want to hold strong opinions about them because they saw someone with opinions looking smart. They want to look smart too but they don't want to put up the effort for that so they're just assuming contrarian or negative position. Most of the posts on this board is literally hating movies and shows you haven't seen. it wasn't like that before 2016 elections
This is true but the video game boards have slipped even worse. Actual on-topic discussion is almost impossible, although Cinemaphile still has the occasional comfy thread
>>From the mind of George Rape Rape Martin
An hour later, her stomach began to cramp so badly that she could not go on. She spent the rest of that day retching up green slime. If I stay here, I will die. I may be dying now. Would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands with Khal Drogo? In Westeros the dead of House Targaryen were given to the flames, but who would light her pyre here? My flesh will feed the wolves and carrion crows, she thought sadly, and worms will burrow through my womb. Her eyes went back to Dragonstone. It looked smaller. She could see smoke rising from its wind-carved summit, miles away. Drogon has returned from hunting.
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water. When she closed her eyes at last, Dany did not know whether she would be strong enough to open them again.
Negativity has grown because media antagonism has grown. It's not enough to make a movie by replacing the male cast with a female one, they have to add fuel to the flame with their armies of journalists who launch endless clickbait campaigns to stir up more controversy than they would otherwise get. We don't live in an era of entertainment anymore. It's an era of outrage farming.
do you think he hates d&d for ruining is magnum opus? i know it wouldnt be prudent of him to straight up say what he feels, but does he secretly harbor hatred?
i mean i would, i hate d&d and Im just a fan of ASoIaF
Has this kld fat cuck stopped to think that maybe the reason I hate the shit he does is because it's shilled non-stop 24/7 all over the world and media?
Okay but the quality of Western media in general has declined horrifically in the last ten years. Seeing terrible 200+ million dollar films flop is something to be celebrated if you have any standards
>I'm just saying in general
then you're wrong. You people always say that but at the same time you never watch any movies beside the sloppiest, most mainstream slop. And if you scratch a little, literally just a small effort, you will find tons of kinos literally every year
Well I'd love some recommendations from 2023. There were some decent movies sure but my favorite movies were all foreign films last year. If we're talking about other media though, TV shows, books, cartoons, music, whatever, you don't think there's been a decline there?
>If we're talking about other media though, TV shows, books, cartoons, music, whatever, you don't think there's been a decline there?
literally just scratch a little
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have scratched anon and I'm not sure what you're talking about. Western media in general has been on the decline for a good while now. Most people would rather scratch at foreign media or past media. Hell Comes to Frogtown looks like a masterpiece compared to 90% of Western theatrical releases these days.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Western media in general has been on the decline for a good while now.
i can repeat. If you're watching capeshit then yes. I watch movies for over 20 years and i don't remember a single bad year for movies. There's always dozens of small, indie kinos
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are any of them really good or just decent though? I am struggling to think of anything "great" the West has put out as far as TV, movies, games, books, music, etc for years now. Feel free to mention a masterpiece from 2023 though
3 months ago
Anonymous
Past Lives, Mrs Davis, The Curse
3 months ago
Anonymous
Past Lives is a half-Korean production, that's not saying much about the Western indie movie scene. The other ones look interesting I guess. I'll check them out if I get the chance.
3 months ago
Anonymous
infinity pool, reality, eileen, dream scenario, sanctuary, yannick, starling girl, bottoms, my animal
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The other ones look interesting I guess.
so this is the first time you've heard about the curse? L M A O
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm more into going to the theater than watching TV shows, but I'll watch it if it's good
infinity pool, reality, eileen, dream scenario, sanctuary, yannick, starling girl, bottoms, my animal
Infinity Pool was interesting, I'll check out the others
>people who like my books and tv show are... le good! >people who complain about the book I failed to write in 12 years and the tv show that went to shit are... le bad!
What a fair and brave stance.
the only person I think this truly applies to is Andrew Hussie with homestuck
most of the rest don't hate their work but get too caught up in their own heads and deviate from what made it successful in the first place
The old frick should just kill himself, since he can't take a little war and people being ~~*haters*~~.
If he can't figure out why everyone is dumping on new shit, maybe he should look to the past.
is it just a coincidence they met a few times afterwards?
Also which actress from the cast of HOTD do you think GURM wants to bone or is secretly boning?
I could genuinely believe they were just friends. Maybe she was looking for more to expand her career but I think if he was fricking her there would probably be less open pics/videos of them hanging out
GRRM also for being a slob, perverted, gross fat man seems to be pretty charming and friendly
>fat homosexual is still seething that people figured out all his upcoming twists and now goes on to blame toxic fans that he isn’t finishing the books
he’s like pretty much every liberal in that Trump was his great, amazing, perfect excuse to fall apart as people. Just become dumb, useless, hysterical, and deranged. he’ll blame Trump until his death for not finishing the books.
he was truly gonna be on the hook before, if you think shoot it. D&D using a version of a rough game plan, show winding down, more eyes looking back toward him as the show became a joke.
then Trump gets elected and he can just go, “aaaaaa I’m losing my mind the world is destroyed I can’t fuuuuunction.”
Covid was gonna be when he would have finished it, and he simply didn’t. it’s never happening. Not TWOW, not ados, not f&b part 2, and probably not another d&e.
>he’s like pretty much every liberal in that Trump was his great, amazing, perfect excuse to fall apart as people. Just become dumb, useless, hysterical, and deranged. he’ll blame Trump until his death for not finishing the books.
Side effect of attributing subjective alienation and ennui entirely to external pressures (i.e. Idolatry). It's why media is almost exclusively agitprop didactic allegory written by schoolmarms and finger waggers.
I remember Preston doing a breakdown of his writing announcements and I think his conclusion was that Martin has literally only written during Covid and not nearly enough
to me his updates during Covid sounded like rehashes of the first 3-4 years of his updates. the numbers seemed really sus. It was like, “wait didn’t you say you already wrote x amount 6 years ago?”
so yeah, I’d believe it. I doubt the writing was even particularly organized or moved the needle much. just rewrites, fleshing out already complete chapters, etc.
I’d be surprised if he had more than 500 pages actually ready to submit.
That's the issue when you're a "gardener" who isn't willing to be ruthlessly pruning away the nonsense to arrive at a viable final version (while you're also pulling a strop and are potentially scared) and have a publisher who treats you with kid gloves. Unironically hope they take him to court, if that's at all possible
the editors who kept him on track were out of the picture after book 3. look at the publishing dates, overall focus of the novels and its black and white lol
apparently no one has any control or final edit over him. guess he renegotiated his contract, to his own detriment.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hope the publishers go off the books and start hiring...."professionals" to scare the shit out of him. Maybe by replacing his food with low fat alternatives. A lot of money is on the line
Imagine being a magician and being slow as shit, and then having the audacity to get mad at the audience. If you write like a moron go back to doing one off Thousand World style stories, not a sprawling epic which needs pace and tempo for autists not to sit down and figure it all out
Cringe fat homosexual. Doesn't understand that people talk about hating shit so much only to counteract the endlesspseud circlejerking that surrounds franchises like SOAF.
you can’t talk shit, give any unfiltered criticism, or really say anything negative about whole swathes of the population in 99% of online places without being labeled an evil toxic nazi and shadowbanned, so why would they not take that liberty here.
yeah and imagine saying that on twitter or whatever and irl coworkers seeing it or some shit and instead of going, “oh anons having a meltdown what a dumb moron,” they show it to your boss to get you fired or something.
so yeah, it’s a nice freedom to have here.
Please don't misunderstand my post, anyone calling for censorship is a homosexual, and you should have a nice day for trying to contribute to the further erosion of out freedoms.
>I don’t see him calling for censorship?
Thats because you’re moronic, anon. you haven’t realized that?
he said, verbatim, “he’s right,” about GRRM, who is actually pushing for censorship of negative feedback and blaming it for all the world’s problems.
see? You’re just a moron who couldn’t read the first 2 words. no biggie haha
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, where is the call for censorship? All I see is him saying we are jerks, which is correct
Where is the call for censorship? In the text from OP's picture he's just saying its sad, he's not calling for censorship at all? If he did elsewhere, show me instead of being morons
>The criticism these people get online isn't objective and well articulated
congrats, welcome to the world, not every post or review is a perfectly fair and thought out treatise. doesn’t mean people should be removed or have their lives ruined. Block and move on.
I am convinced beyond a doubt that grrm threw a tantrum back in 2008 or so when people were figuring out what was gonna happen in the next 3 books, which is why dance also got delayed so much. He didn’t want to be obvious since he’s obviously a fat homosexual that got bullied all his childhood so his one escape was the thing bullied kids do where they larp themselves into believing they’re secret geniuses
Anyways tldr >people read SoS >start figuring out feast and dance >feast comes out and gives them even more to go on >grrm starts fricking seething >rewrites dance as much as he can without fricking with the continuity >seethes even more when people still understand what’s gonna happen despite his rewrites making it even harder >writes himself into a fricking corner for winds >around this time the show is catching up to dance >throw dumb and dumber breadcrumbs >fans absolutely hate what happens, even some of the normies who devour slop as long as their favourite characters says or does something cool or funny start questioning it >wtf they hate it >grow into a rampant depression because not only did everyone figure out most of what’s happening they hate it too
It’s why the fat c**t can’t stop mentioning the red wedding in his interviews btw, he thinks he’s so fricking clever for pulling it off, if you go back you’ll notice he’ll take any chance he gets to mention the red wedding. It’s his one cope he still has that he’s a good writer
Probably more accurate than not >It’s why the fat c**t can’t stop mentioning the red wedding in his interviews btw
Is he actually harping on about it? Like an artist bragging about a one hit wonder from 20 years ago. Or maybe all his other hits aren't finished (Purple Wedding, Battle of Ice, Battle of Blood etc) because he broke them all on purpose and can't remake them into something good (also he simply stopped writing). Also I think he resents himself for not doing the time skip
You might not believe me but I met him in 2015 and jokingly asked him if Robin Arryn was gonna survive the books and sit the throne and I shit you not his reply was “you’ve seen the red wedding right, no one is safe” and gave his high pitched giggle
Bleh, how cringe. But I guess that's a decent enough on brand automatic retort that would have less discerning fans basedyyying over. Also lmao, he often brings back major characters from the dead, because either he can't commit or he understands the major flaw of genociding your main cast
He’s done it in a few interviews I’ve seen of him. I haven’t really given got any thought in half a decade because of how bland the final season(s) were but I bet that fat frick still brings up the red wedding at least on a semi regular basis when he talks to people.
I know there’s some interview from like the final season where they ask him something in the ballpark about which of the main cast are dying and he says something like “well we all remember I wrote the red wedding and bla bla bla”
Old people struggle to say new things. Is the Red Wedding the only trick he's managed to do and stick the landing on? Everything else is still up in the air, currently tbd.
Also I'd disagree the last seasons were bland, they were offensively bad
genuinely don’t think Dany or any of the core group are dying, like his early notes read.
he may have characters that had their fates changed over time, but the core (Dany, bran, tyrion, Jon, Arya) are the nucleus of whatever had planned and the story relies on them making it to the end in some form.
the gardener meme stuff isn’t a pure thing for him. if it was, he might actually get somewhere. but as it is, the clash between the Plan and the Gardening is probably part of what led him to a standstill.
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Anonymous
I think Dany going mad and getting killed is one of the things readers figured out which made him seethe. I don’t think Dumb and dumber would’ve written it in the show of their own accord. I think what they did to the white walkers was on GRRMs notes to not completely spoil his book ending though. Since as much as the fat man pisses me off it can’t be that bad. I hope wights don’t die if their reanimator dies though cause that’s some Shlock writing
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I think Dany going mad and getting killed is one of the things readers figured out which made him seethe.
That is HEAVILY implied/foreshadowed throughout the books. Anyone patting themselves on the back for getting that is a cretin.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Anyone patting themselves on the back for getting that is a cretin.
That says less about the speculator, and more about the seething author
3 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno I remember posting about in /got/ threads and mostly got pushback around season 3-6
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about the books, the last one was 2008.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Didn’t dance come out in 11?
3 months ago
Anonymous
> I don’t think Dumb and dumber would’ve written it in the show of their own accord
his plan was more of Dany to be perceived as being mad, not necessarily actually being so. and they changed it last minute from her accidentally setting off wildfyre to just going ham, which is why people noticed flames in a few frames that hadn’t been fixed.
It was absolutely d&d, who had nothing but loathing and hatred for Emilia Clarke.
they lied to her about how the show turns out, since a lot of her last scenes she’s literally just sitting on a saddle in a green screen being instructed to make hundreds of different expressions for hours. They decided how to edit it later.
She did an interview with them about a dinner watchparty she had with fans and had assured them she hadn’t gone evil as the ep started, only to be completely humiliated to look like she had no idea what she was talking about.
she told the story in a heartfelt way, and they were just laughing and she was trying to awkwardly play it cool but sounded upset.
those dudes fricking hated her, hated being stuck with her so long. and they operated out of pure spite & favoritism, and not just with her.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>which is why people noticed flames in a few frames that hadn’t been fixed.
Didn't hear this, any source?
Why did they hate her so much? She wasn't the greatest actress but always seemed very sweet and friendly during interviews. I do think D&D hated the show by the end, they basically wrapped it up pronto because they were bored and struggling (although they have some sympathy with fat man not finishing more books) and wanted to dip to go and make big bucks with Star Wars
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Why did they hate her so much?
She had an brain anurysm during season 2 or 3 and almost died and as a result had a lot of extra care and attention put on her during production.
whether that has anything to do with it or not i'm not sure, but they also notoriously disliked the guy that played barriston because he dared question them on the way his character was going to get offed so i wouldn't doubt it. they seem like total drama queens.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I remember them hating him cause he read the books and disagreed with his character development and that his arc from Dwd was getting scrapped
Funny how he was right and his anticlimactic death was one of the first things that normies picked up about the show taking a nosedive
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not the poor girls fault that she had a rare condition. So what they had to take more care of her? Not like she was doing big stunts of anything.
Yeah it must've sucked for the Barriston actor, getting shanked in an alley like they're filming a documentary about London, when in the books there's this whole big arc coming about whether or not he'll doom the city.....which we'll never read about because fat man is fat
3 months ago
Anonymous
she also asked to not do so many nude scenes after s1, which played a part. probably started playing hardball in contract negotiations as she went higher profile.
I don’t really think d&d need a solid reason, they just decide they hate someone, or favor them, and it shows up in the writing.
it got worse the more leaks there were, so I’m sure that didn’t help their tempers or pride.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok I mean I get kind of being miffed about less nude scenes because that was once a big draw of the show, but they didn't really compensate by making other cast members take their kit off, they just ditched the t&a entirely and became way more boring as a result.
I remember reading some schizo stuff about Dabid and how they're mad and completely unqualified to run such a big series and were classic nepotistic hires.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Someone with authority should’ve done something after the fiasco of a pilot and gotten different writers
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’ve been out of the loop so long why did they hate her? >accidentally setting off wildfire
Oh right I forgot, that is totally what happens in the book, I still think Jon will kill her on the throne though. Maybe thinking she’s mad when she really wasn’t or she’ll convince herself that the wildfire explosion was necessary anyways so it’s not a problem
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dany absolutely was going to go mad, attack Kings Landing, and get killed in the books.
But it was likely going to be in raging seething anger over Aegon already taking over Kings Landing and winning the throne for their namesake.
Just like "Bran" ends up on the throne at the very end, except it's actually Bloodraven who warged into Brans body and killed the real Bran off.
3 months ago
Anonymous
she was gonna come to Westeros thinking she was the Conquering hero to return, only to be completely and utterly perceived as a foreign monster leading an army of demons, mutants, and pillaging tribals.
then she’d make a series of blunders culminating in accidentally setting off the Wildfyre stores in the city, and everyone would believe she burnt the city down on purpose.
for her to simply go and because she didn’t get her way is too on the nose. she’s constantly questioning and re-assessing herself for signs of madness.
the tragedy is in not anticipating how she would be seen, and remember how Gurm beats you over the head with the idea that perception is the core of power?
If she just goes mad it’s like oh well she was a nutjob, it says nothing.
but if she’s perceived like an even worse version of her father Aerys, no matter what she tries to do, outflanked by someone who isn’t anymore Westerosi than she is and maybe not who he claims to be (never confirmed, no point), then it drives home her core character tragedy: you can never go home again. there is nowhere for her, let alone her big dream.
that’s why the lemons shit keeps getting played over and over in her head. she doesn’t realize it was Tyrosh, not Braavos.
there’s no real need to kill her off, the perception of being mad and the final loss of a hope of a home is the end of her arc.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What would happen with (f?)Ageon?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wonder that too. is he killed in the flames or does he survive to consolidate support after the horrific tragedy?
Who knows. Sone anons said his role was dismembered and distributed between remaining characters. so maybe Cersei got the KL part and he dies like her. Idk
3 months ago
Anonymous
This sounds way better than what the fat man would write though
3 months ago
Anonymous
thanks, but I do think he was setting it up this way. he does repetitive clues that should make it obvious if you have an interest in writing/plot structure. like that famous convo between Tyrion and Varys that yells it at you lol
she’ll be undone by perception and Tyrion will be the architect of all the death.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is completely ignoring the giant problem (Aegon) in the room.
He's already on the shores of Kings Landing ready to take over with the Targ name. Either he will be repelled and looked at like you say Dany will, or he will be victorious and usher in Danys final descent into madness, otherwise it would just be repeating the same story beats book after book, and that's something GRRM is very good about not doing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
reread my post, I explained his role in how she’s received. I just didn’t name him.
I should have included more though:
what led me to this was the idea that Tyrion is actually a villain, or at least an asoiaf version. he even openly claims he just wants to ruin things for everyone else from now on. that’s who he becomes.
he’s the reason Aegon is even in Westeros! He convinced him to go there instead of linking up with his new employer. He put them on a collision course just coz he could.
so he’ll probably help Dany make even worse blunders, encourage her to be harsher in her policies against the people of KL, who he hates.
A big reason she’s perceived as a monster is they’ll have Aegon, rhaegar reborn, come to save them from the sparrow and Cersei and anarchy, then Dany, a woman with a lesser claim, horrible monsters, and an army of Dothraki is like hell coming back again.
so I am accounting for him. he is a large part of the failure of her plans.
might have succeeded if they had done a marriage alliance, but she’d be a gross liability showing up then, and anyway he’d need to marry locally, not the mad king’s foreign daughter.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What about bran then
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough, it's been a while since I actually read the books (literally since Dance came out) so I'm probably way off the mark. You seem to have put a lot of thought into this whereas I just ripped a bong and tried to put 2 and 2 together.
I do appreciate the insight.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn’t honestly really try, it just started to hit me over the head over the last few years. I was really troubled by the Dany goes mad route, I was like this bugs me but I can’t figure out why. Then I realized it just said nothing, illuminated nothing about her, made her pointless. we all expect, especially in her last scenes in ADWD, of going that way. that’s what made me wonder if it was a false path.
but it was other anons who turned me onto the idea of Tyrion having the full villain arc. don’t think Arya will, and Dany’s didn’t make sense.
Looking back at Tyrion’s encounter with Faegon it was the only explanation that accounted for actively working against the interests of someone he intended to work for.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So what happens with Jon the walkers and bran then, this is probably the closest I’ll get to closure of this series since what you’re saying makes a lot of sense
3 months ago
Anonymous
can’t figure that out, but seems obvious the others been out to get Jon since the prologue, god knows why.
idk about bran king but my sense is BR is not the 3ER itself, he’s a human host for it. The 3ER is looking for a new host. to what end? Idk.
it is probably the collective consciousness of the weirwoods or some scifi stuff like GRRM likes. the COTF are its symbiotic/slave species. Maybe it did make the Others to clean house.
Truly don’t think there’ll be a night king or anything like that. Haven’t really thought the rest out. I don’t know if he’s as solid on the supernatural stuff. I think he has political arcs worked out, mostly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>others out to get John since the prologue
What gave you that impression?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Waymar and Jon are cousins because a stark married into the Royce family a gen or two ago, he’s described as physically similar down to a tee, and they observe his sword with wariness, expecting the Valyrian steel that Jon will later have. they laugh when it breaks easily, which isn’t against expectations. there was more to this theory but I forget some of it.
The more interesting theory to me is that Jon’s chapter talking to Benjen in the beginning is not remotely what it seems.
Benjen laughs about Jon assuming he chose the NW and glorifies it, Jon notices Benjen has incredibly fancy clothes, which you think would be against being a rugged Nightswatchman, and Benjen is actively trying to coerce Jon into the NW while holding himself apart from all the Starks. Later there’s some hint that he got to Luwin to get him to seal the deal and convince Ned, orchestrating the whole thing out of resentment against Ned, who wasn’t totally on board with the idea at first. why?
Gurm refused to answer a fan who asked if Benjen chose to go in, said we wouldn’t get to know what made him go in, it’s relevant later.
so Benjen was probably forced and punished Ned by hyping Jon up and ushering him in.
no love lost between Ned and Benjen. That first chapter is totally different if you ignore Jon’s preconceptions and read the little physical clues.
3 months ago
Anonymous
*which is against expectations
3 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot to add:
my only real guess why the Benjen thing is Benjen had involvement with the mystery surrounding Jon and Ned made him join the NW to protect the secret. so a lot of collateral damage in his family just to keep Jon safe.
makes Ned more interesting to me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is the theory in particular that I think GRRM seethes about since it’s arguably the best hidden and the one teased in the very prologue
3 months ago
Anonymous
The others aren't bad, imo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah that could be too. just something alien. but they are out to get Jon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It could be that Jon is the one they want to be their Night King. I think they're at the wall during Jon's death because it's so cold that all Jon can feel is the cold while he's being stabbed to death.
Maybe Arya really does end up killing the Night King in the books, but it's fricking Jon
3 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't all the old legends basically being that Night Kings are Starks?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, iirc there was one Night's King and it was a Brandon Stark that married an Other woman and they stayed at the Nightfort doing human sacrifice, enslaved the Night's Watch, and other nasty shit until a bunch of people got together and killed him
3 months ago
Anonymous
>what led me to this was the idea that Tyrion is actually a villain, or at least an asoiaf version.
Highly doubt this. Tyrion and Sam Tarly are his mouth pieces. No way, they're end up being "wrong" in the end.
Plus we have the end of the show to use as an example. Whether you like it or not, I believe the major story beats are the same in the books. Done better than the show of course.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They can't be done better if they don't exist. Real beats unreal every time, regardless of how shoddy it is
3 months ago
Anonymous
>except it's actually Bloodraven who warged into Brans body and killed the real Bran off.
I actually prefer that reveal to the real Bran becoming this fricked up.
After Bran got crippled, he started leaving his body behind to warg into other animals, eventually it wasn't him who came back.
3 months ago
Anonymous
"Ah my sister, the rape (or more actually the cultural consensual but modern audiences might balk at it) was kino"
reminds me of when he refused to answer a fan about how Benjen joined the NW, once people realized the, “ by choice,” thing was an assumption he had led us all to without actually saying it.
just another mystery that’ll never be answered, though at least there’s clues.
Why not do both? The fat frick can barely write and what he does write is just harry potter for adults. His fricking writting minions wrote and finished the expanse and it was 10x better. He is just mad he can't continue to do nothing while tweeting about writing like he is one.
He never has any intention of finishing nor releasing Winds of Winter or the series. He gave up after D&D essentially kicked him off the GOT show and simultaneously revealed and ruined his ending.
It was on a blind item list a few months ago.
from crazydaysandnights, which is fairly accurate with their blind items that i've seen and is one of the most well known leakers of blind items drama.
You need to make peace with it, everyone does. It annoys me that they're making House of the Dragon, completely undermines the concept of how it was written but hey ho, more slop for the trough
I had, years ago. I fricked up and reread the series. Now..... all I can think about is the potential of the winds of winter. I fricked up bad
3 months ago
Anonymous
If it’s any consolation I think he’s finishing winds of winter to throw a bone and maybe avoid legal ramifications but Dream of spring is never coming
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's never going to release Winds >leagl ramifications
The dude is ike 80 years old with hundreds of millions of dollars. There are no legal ramifications he will give a single iota of a frick about when it comes to not delivering on his book.
The real honest to god truth is he was a strugling author his entire life and had to write books to make a living, and then HBO gave him a couple of truckloads of cash for the rights of GOT and he retired and only works on shit he wants to for passion projects. He doesn't NEED to write Winds like he needed to write the other books 20 years ago, so it's never going to get finished.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He has money he might want legacy, though. If there’s one thing old people actually care about when eternity is at the door it’s that people will care about them the next day and unless he releases winds they won’t.
Plus whatever draft he has will obviously get leaked if he died or sold by greedy family members just like how Tolkiens living heirs shat on his memory by allowing RoP
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think he cares. Christ imagine how much he'll be hated when he's gone, 3 unfinished series from his beloved franchise with a subpar tv show a consolation. If he had pumped Winds maybe 7 years ago his reputation might have been salvageable (oh he only died before his last book, and he was making such good progress too!) but now with such big gaps and the rumours of hating his audience there's no coming back from it
3 months ago
Anonymous
His entire family and his entire wifes family are dead and they do not have any children, so there's no heirs to pass down the script to and leak it. His old editor that he supposedly gave the original script of Winds to died a year or so ago, so I doubt that would leak from there.
He also has said multiple times he doesn't really give a shit about his legacy and he's not going to allow anyone else to finish his work and if it's not finished when he's dead so be it. He's really just stopped giving a shit since the TV show ruined his ending, and I don't blame him. Although I think he's also using that as an excuse since he clearly wrote himself into a corner and has no idea how to get out of it without doing a time skip like he originally planned.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I honestly don't think he's written himself into a corner, it's fricking words on a page, make the characters go where you want them to semi plausibly and the readers will cut you some slack. At best I think he's annoyed because he can't do it perfectly, and at worst it's because he doesn't care and cba
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If it’s any consolation I think he’s finishing winds of winter
I believe this is called cope, a well aged vintage, around 13 years old now
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I fricked up and smoked a small bowl of crack
For shame anon. There needs to be an AA group for former ASOIAF fans
Since we’re sort of discussing the books and show now..
Considering we know that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyannas, how come Ned even let him join the watch? He obviously didn’t legitimise him as a stark for that sole reason so why let him give up lands and titles in the watch?
Also, when Aerys killed Ned’s brother and father he iirc demanded Jon Arryn to deliver Robert and Ned to KL (or outright kill?) and Jon Arryn rebelled in protest, how come Aerys didn’t call for Benjen too
He won’t finish his story because he knows it cannot have a satisfying conclusion. All that deconstruction and subversion of fantasy and fairy-tale tropes has come to finally bite his fat ass in the very end.
Anyone find it odd that GRRM wrote Sam as his self insert and the love interest he gives “himself” is basically a half moronic incest woman with an incest baby?
Hey, it's that loser who is so salty about JK Rowling winning a sci-fi aware ahead of his book that he actually referenced Harry Potter in the most popular series he has, that he has NEVER FINISHED while J.K. Rowlings has a theme park for her finished series her original fans are reading to their children now. Rowling's die hard fans made wizard rock, while this loser's die hard fans are porn addicted incel that will never procreate.
Every single part of the establishment says that mean words on the internet is the biggest crisis we are facing at the moment, and it's the biggest we have ever faced.
People didn't change. Media did. People still have great discussions about the classics. Lord of The Rings threads are always comfy as frick. Go make an Asimov thread on Cinemaphile sit back and enjoy a good discussion. People here still talk about films like No Country For Old Men 2 decades later. Modern shit is just all dogshit.
Why are his sex scenes so fricking bad? And why don't his editors tell him to fix it? It astonishes me that "her c**t became the world" and "the sight of their arousal was arousing" actually made it to publication.
I remember reading somewhere how they basically had to cajole him to release Dance, for them it was a perfect combo of first season and latest book pushing up consumers of both which in turn meant a load of stuff was left on the cutting room floor which he's still pretending is new stuff for winds
that shitty prequel book came out recently, the one they base teh new show on, in order to blackstain the targaryans, the one house thats literally eugenicist incest aryans, yeah that one needed diversification
The story grew in the telling and got himself stuck then used the distractions of fame (cowardly) to procrastinate. He will never be on the same level as Jordan , Tolkien or even Erikson if he doesn't finish the series which I highly doubt he will. I remember preoredering dance at Waterstones. I gave up on him years ago.
Yeah, I'd talk about my favorite book, BUT IT HASNT BEEN FINISHED YET!!!
He will never finish any of the remaining Asoiaf books
Yeah, because media products are getting worse
This, plus they rely more on brand marketing meaning more unmet expectations.
Not just that but there's a billion street shitters hired out to market pretty much every crap fest in existence so a lot of time is spent telling these people to stop shitting in the street and that their product is awful.
Not only that, media is released, consumed, then immediately forgotten. What's up with that? And don't just say because it's all shit.
It's all shit.
SHIT
because it's all shit.
no, really.
people are still talking about the wire, the sopranos, breaking bad, the lotr trilogy, the godfather, shawshank, the shining, pulp fiction, all that good shit
but some shitty netflix show that started as a 7/10 in s01, went down to 6/10 for s02 and then ended on a cliffhanger before being cancelled? yea, who the frick wants to remember that
or worse yet, something like GoT that started as a 9/10 and ended as a 1/10. that shit we're actively trying to forget.
>or worse yet, something like GoT that started as a 9/10 and ended as a 1/10. that shit we're actively trying to forget.
The first season of GOT was saved by executives at HBO who were controlling D&D at the time. The unaired piolet showed what a disaster D&D were at writing and directing. By season 4, they had removed all the executive control above them and had total power and went fricking made with power, creating huge costly sets that they barely even filmed because they got the tight close ups.
The first season of GOT and honestly the first four seasons of GOT when they followed the books should be an example to the world of what we COULD have gotten.
People should be going out there and demanding a reboot.
it blows my mind that in the world of reboots this isnt being produced already
Game of Thrones crashed and burned at the end because they ran out of books to adapt. There are still no more books to adapt.
>People should be going out there and demanding a reboot.
there was actually a petition (change.org) after the ending of s08
at least 1m signatures
but yea, no, that's not happening, not unless fatso actually finishes (or at least some1 else finishes from his notes)
then maybe in 10-20 years we'll get a reboot
It isn't all shit, some of it sucks butthole
a lot of it is shit, but another thing is the sheer volume of content accessible within 2 clicks of the mouse/remote
why would people waste time dwelling on the series they just finished when there's another one waiting for them 2 clicks away?
martin is a hack coping about how everyone mocks him for clearly never intending to finish the books
however much as he's a shitty messenger he's right on the general climate, too many people get off on being permanently seething
yep, the massive amount of media available and the ability to simply stay in your own personal niche has mostly killed off the notion of long lasting nearly universally recognized shows outside of rare exceptions
Shit people making shit art.
Are you stupid? There is so much media produced these days that people move on to the next thing. Flavor of the month means just that. This isn't the 1940s where Casablanca gets an 18-month theatrical run. The longest in recent memory was Avatar 2 with 5ish months, amd even that is less than half of what Avatar got only 15 years ago.
The film industry is oversaturated as hell largely because of streaming. When streaming contracts, which is already happening, the saturation will lessen.
It’s all shit written by leftoids
It's all shit but also culture is more fractured than ever before. How will something make a big splash and be remembered when the only stuff that reaches popular consumption is lowest denominator slop?
It's the "content" paradigm. It's not films or series or documentaries or interviews or novels or albums anymore, it has all been subsumed by content. Empty calories for the brain.
There is more media coming out now than ever before
Thanks to streaming services, there is an incredibly cheaplu accessible , endless supply of it, and most of it is released all at once. The handful of things that aren't only end up being 8-10 episodes long so there's not a lot of time for build up or discussion.
Compare it to the days where Lost had 23 episodes a season and that season lasted over half of the year, and it's obvious why shows are quickly forgotten now.
And yes, there was some shows that had short seasons that stood up, like Breaking Bad. But those were few and far between, and most of them happened before streaming services and entire season dumps really took off.
It cannot be understated enough how damaging streaming services truely have become to the modern film and tv show industries. Just think about it, the price of a single DVD back in the early 00s is the same as a month (or muliple months) of an entire streaming service. You can get half a year of streaming for the price of a single season of tv on DVD. It's completely fricked everything.
It's 10000000% because it's all shit.
everything is written by and staring women and black people. it's all fricking garbage now
>say anything but the answer!
It's not just that it's shit.
Most media through history is forgettable shit that doesn't last the test of time.
The main issue today is that it is shit and it is demoralizing, mean spirited, and evil. In the past shit media at least tried to tell a story and had a hero and maybe some lady would whip her breasts out in the B movie and then people would move on.
Now the movies and shows are all about deconstructing and destroying civilization, society, and relationships at a macro scale. So even big projects are designed to fail in a way and be shitty because they are intended to be shit, unlike in the past where shit was an accident or fault of incompetence.
is that his excuse today for not writing? Yesterday it was houthis or war or whatever.
He’s literally AJ Soprano
100% this
He's just making excuses.
>Ukraine civil war's been going on since 2014
>ISIS has been a thing long before Yemen, Israel/Palestine, etc
>Middle East in general has been happening since 2001
>Trump since 2015
Something will always be happening in the world. You can't keep making that excuse for everything. He should've just stopped stringing everybody along and tell his fans and publishers not to expect anything from him.
>He should've just stopped stringing everybody along and tell his fans and publishers not to expect anything from him.
That wouldn't be a good business decision. He continues to rake in money from book and tv deals, if he came out and said he's never finishing Ice and Fire that could severely damage future earnings and couch sessions with Shae.
Shae is the definition of mid, horribly miscast
A mid pornstar is better than a 10/10 cold fish.
There are qt bubbly girls they could have cast, not a turkish funny prostitute
That's why I said publishers
He can still have his fun writing little notes and exciting scenes for HotD or the Dunk & Egg side stories he has.
No doubt he'll have a producer role for everything ASOIF related shows.
And giving up writing the books doesn't stop him from getting royalties for the things he's already wrote.
What's odd, is that he can literally be the change he wants to see in the world by pumping out his books and raking in that cash.
I don't think he has kids right? Just him and his wife? Donate a chunk of the money you make to Biden or Democrats.
Donate to Ukraine, Palestine, whatever fricking interest group he happens to support.
I don't agree with everything he believes in, but I fully support his ability to throw his money at it.
I don't blame poor people for feeling lost because they have no power to influence their lives. But this rich fat frick?
Yeah.....no more Dunk and Egg are ever coming. Problem with that series (and all the Dance stuff) is that all of it ties in with the main ASOIAF series and he just can't deal with it at all.
He's a boomer, that money is his damn it! To spend on......literally nothing. Imagine the propaganda coup if he were to help outfit some Ukie military units, spooks should be giving him a nudge. But maybe he's trapped, classic fat person problem, and has never sought liberty or freedom and is stuck in his little lane
What's the point of being old and rich if you can't insulate yourself from the rest of the world, not care, and pursue what you love to do? But I think he's lacking the last part. If there was a pie eating measure then he'd be breaking records
I'm 100% convinced he gave up and isn't writing anything anymore.
The black pill is actually that he is looking forward to dying to be released from the pressure. The worst possible fate in his mind is writing it and having people hate it. He would rather exist in perpetual tease mode.
I've been thinking how Frank Herbert inadvertently got off ending the Dune series. Chapterhouse has a pretty big build up in the end that's basically unlike anything else in the series. I don't know how he would've ultimately ended the confrontation with the old Imperium vs. the Enemy. Instead his son continued it wrote some shitty fanfiction and it's considered kind of meh with some hardcore fans convinced Frank would've made it amazing
GRRM if he dies will leave people with an impression of a better book and ending than he could've ever produced himself. Any author finishing it will instead get the blame
That's super, is Winds of Winter finished George?
feeling tough arent you George? release the book then ya c**t
i hope gurm never finishes the books, and that hotd flops harder than a fat frankfurter
>toxicity
If you ever hear anyone using this terminology, that's how you know you can dismiss everything they say.
maybe the 2010s sucked
he forgot to mention "here's why" part gets you banned or silenced by unhinged homosexuals
It was called the imdb comment section and it was deleted because liberals didn't have a safe space.
>Often, the boards only seemed to exist for people to bash others’ dissenting opinions, or thoroughly trash the TV or movies being discussed, no matter how critically acclaimed or generally popular. At their worst, they would delve into other sorts of offensive commentary, or even racist remarks.
>people disagreed with me! DELETE IT!
>people don't worship mainstream trash! DELETE IT!
>people aren't liberal! DELETE IT!
Losing the American Psycho board was an irreplacable loss to internet memery
all the different IMDb boards had infinitely more value than Cinemaphile on its best day.
in fact, it was one of the last places that had its own little microcosms.
I miss the imdb comments. An orchestra member in New York mailed me a bootleg box set of Combat Missions after I posted how much I liked the show and wished they'd make DVDs
literally just write the book already, george
yep thats correct. FRICK YOU. i cant afford health insurance or a house. i have to live in a brown hell and can only buy poison to eat!
FRICK YOU.
He’s right but his books are still crap. Millions of irony-poisoned incels who can’t experience joy anymore so they try and suck the joy from other people.
>its the incels!
Log off and go outside
It is. It's always incels that are hating stuff.
Is that what he said, moron?
What even is an incel, anyone who doesn't agree with you?
This is an incel: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xPFgC8N5kq4
Think about what it says about you that you got mad at my post
It says that I'm mad at morons who are still in denial and swallow false media narratives attacking normal people
I bet you also said that there was no culture war back in 2019
>normal
You really think you’re normal?
What's an incel? Go ahead
George was probably an incel most of his life you reddit dyke.
Maybe Hollywood can make non-garbage so then people wouldn't hate everything it creates.
>Weimar
I fricking hope so. This guy is insufferable lmaos.
Is that his blog post?
Winds is coming any day now.
Bullshit
>"I have a "big platform." Whatever that is."
>actually writing out "Sigh."
I liked the books but this guy sucks. How does he turn this gay shit off to write something creative? That's an impressive feat. Or it was, anyways, I guess the ponce side won, since he is incapable of writing anything other than woe-is-me blog drivel.
>In my tribe (Kiowa)
what a stupid, deluded mother fricker
NOT SHOCKING considering he cant STOP EATING and cant be bothered to GO TYPE
Fat homosexual crying about nothing, maybe he can wipe away his tears with all the millions that he made from scamming his fans and not doing his fricking job
People that I hate took things that I loved, self inserted themselves, and attacked anyone who didn't shill for them. Now I hate it and them even more. We have leftists and their woke agenda to thank for fan bases pessimism.
Woke dipshits are why I long for global nuclear war.
I hope he is forced to watch how people finish his books with AI. That kvetching will be glorious.
>finish his books with AI.
Bran is the Night King
if this asshat actually took a look around, he's see that fans have spent decades cooking and discussion theories.
Spending 14 years on one book which is almost as long as he's taken to write the previous 5 books has left most fans completely stir-crazy. The theory crowd has pretty much become unhinged like as close to a real life infinite monkey theorem where every possibility ever has been proposed meaning the book has actually been written by millions of redditors.
Chocolate thrones
Hes 100% right though. The only reason people think Jordan is better than Lebron is because the media of the 90s diefied Jordan as a god and he was universally beloved. The media of the 00's and social media did nothing but kill Lebron for every mistake
based Lebron poster
Lebron is great because you can immediately write off anyone who dickrides jordan as a homosexual boomer.
It was the media who dickrode lebron so hard and started the jordan debate before he even won a ring. Dude has been chasing rings ever since just to meet jordan and he blows up teams he's on.
Brown zoomer cum stained hands typed these posts
>toxicity
stopped reading right there. anybody who uses the word toxic unironically to describe unfavorable behavior goes into the trash immediately
A liberal homosexual feminist Protestant was teaching a class on George R.R. Martin, known hack
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Gurm and accept that Planetos is the greatest fantasy setting of all time even greater than Arda!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, British WW1 veteran who had served 1500 tours of duty on the Somme and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all decisions made by Butcher Haig stood up.
”What are the linguistic differences among the peoples of Westeros?”
The arrogant proddie smirked quite schismatically and smugly replied “There is the Old Tongue and the Common Tongue, you stupid warmonger”
”Wrong. There should be hundreds of dialects. If the Wall is 8000 years old as you say, how can the Wildlings and Northmen understand one another?”
The HBO shill was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of A World of Ice and Fire. He stormed out of the room crying those redditor crocodile tears. The same tears redditors (who today live in such luxury most can afford sex changes) cried when Missandei was beheaded. There is no doubt that at this point our sola scriptura-homosexual wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a garbage pulp fiction fan. He wished so much he could die a glorious death in battle, but he had sworn to always be a draft dodger!
The students applauded and became Tolkien fans that day and accepted the Pope as their Lord and Master. A giant eagle named “Thorondor” flew into the room and perched atop the flag of Gondor and shed a tear on the White Tree. Beowulf was read in the original Old English several times, and Eru Ilúvatar himself showed up and enacted Aragorn's flat rate tax policy across the universe.
The Lutheran was fired the next day and sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up he was shitting brown water.
kino
>enacted Aragorn's flat rate tax policy across the universe.
A poll tax?
I bet he at this all in one sitting without standing up
this guy is like the kevin smith of literature
Underrated
>The Lutheran was fired the next day and sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up he was shitting brown water.
Nice touch
Thats been the internet since the beginning. Thats been fandom since the beginning.
not true at all. people used to have heroes and villains. now its all villains
>Thats been the internet since the beginning.
zoomer moment
The internet was a far better place before iphones showed up and let all the normies onto it.
frick. youre absolutely right
Actual truth
No
Nah back then, it was much more innocent. It’s why MMO communities were so much better and impossible to replicate nowadays where it’s full of angry people.
Doesn't he write in an etch a sketch that he had as a kid? How does he know what social media even is? Which one of you homosexuals taught him the internet? Now he's never going to finish his shit series.
He's not wrong.
People today are arrogant garbage. Nobody even reads George's books the way they're meant to be read.
The average asoiaf reader rapes his pages with mental fan-fiction cringe. Just look at David Lightbringer.
What truly matters is that he butt fricked this entire website's ego, especially Cinemaphile. How can an old fat man make Cinemaphile seethe so much? You already lost by being baby ass b***hes.
Get fricked lmfao
>smug tranime girl
Damn, nostalgia
This. The Fat Man won and is rolling around in endless cash. His woes are just the cherry on top; abstractly making fun of everyone.
>r*ddit spacing
>tranime pic
lmao back you go Black person
>reddit spacing
Get fricked twice kid
It's hilarious how threatened anonymous morons get over old fat israelites who come across as completely harmless
>especially Cinemaphile
I don't think Cinemaphile will ever recover after Elden Ring's success and GRRM's name plastered all over (and in) it.
Godfrey, Godwyn, Godrick
Rennala, Ranni
Radahn, Rykard
Malenia, Miquella, Marika
My favorite seeth was Brandon Sanderson. He said something like
>they hired this boomer who hasn't written a book in ten years and blogs about football all day instead of me, a souls veteran who has played all the games and already has a souls style lore outline
Brandon Sanderson is a spineless little b***h but he was just joking when he said that
I can’t stand him as an author but it was pretty Spiney of him to say, “ me? Finish asoiaf? Frick that noise lol”
what makes you see him as spineless? Idk much else about him.
He put his name on the garbage WoT show and didn't speak out against it. If he had a spine he would have said/done something.
Just reminded me that Mark Lawrence got to write a Souls-like with Ashen. His books are really good, and he actually has a great work ethic
Did he actually say this
Somebody said it anonymously on the internet, of course it's true
Of course you go on Cinemaphile, you brown trannies all act exactly like this. You spend every singe second of every single day trying to own the chuds on Cinemaphile. You’re miserable.
George is just another twitter addicted mind broken liberal along the lines of Stephen King. A fat homosexual who will never make anything of quality and will spend what little time he has left on this earth wringing his hands over gay bullshit.
George doesn't use Twitter, he's famously low-tech. He used an MS-DOS machine to write until it broke and he lost a ton of progress in like 2007, and now he uses a PC emulating Wordstar 4 from 1987
There is media from the last 10 years that I enjoy but I have no problem with people trashing all of it. The industry in general is full of the worst people in society and all of the profits from these non-essentials could be saving lives. "Artists" should only be able to make very modest livings from art.
Okay, fat embodiment of reddit.
>oy vey, you can't celebrate the failure and death of vile propagandists
Yes, I can. I'd tell him to eat shit but he's into it.
Shan't stop, can't stop, frick slop.
>old, tired, and rich
>don't feel like finishing book
>stop writing
>blame it on drumpf
genius actually
WRITE FAT FRICK WRITTTTTTTTTE!!!!!
write the book fat man
>George R. R. Martin: "I want to do literally anything else than write my next book. In fact I'm determined to die before I finish the series."
At least Tolkien finished his book, you fat bastard!
He just cant let the taxes thing go, can he.
He spends more time arguing (and losing) with a dead man than finishing his books.
I dont remember that (outside goodreads) people talked about books in social media.
Maybe this old fart just scared to say that social media is a plague where Black person culture, troonyism, homosexualry, and other degenerate things being passed around like a business card.
or, worse, Cinemaphile where monkeys like you can typin in drivel
Finish the Book, You fat bastard you!!!!!!!!
This fat piece of shit is setting the stage for his "retirement" message. This and his recent blog crying about the state of the world and even bringing up Trump. He'll put out a message saying he's not releasing WoW because the world doesn't deserve it. Fat frick.
I’ll never understand lefties whining like the world is collapsing all the time meanwhile society is more left wing overall than its ever been in human history.
>I’ll never understand people going to the doctor. Everyone I see going to the doctor is sick.
I think the key to understanding the pathology of leftwing psychology is to understand that they have no idea why rightwing people believe what they do, while rightwing people have a pretty good idea why leftwing people believe what they do.
For example: leftwing people cannot understand the reasons behind a rightwing person not supporting abortion, so to them they are just evil, or spiteful, or hateful of women, or ignorant, whatever negative insult they choose. While the rightwing person would explain that they don't want abortion because they think it is immoral to kill an unborn child due to their religion or other ethical considerations.
Now of course this can apply to rightwingers from time to time as well not understanding the exact reasoning for leftwing perspectives, but it is nowhere as common. This has been proven by psychological studies.
He is right. I was so fed up that I ended up creating a youtube channel about my favourite series just to talk about it. Currently at 10k subs. Very happy about it.
People laugh when obvious propaganda shit doesn’t make money.
Finish asoiaf you human bean bag chair
having a proper opinion about something requires time and effort. It's easier to just be mechanicaly contrarian and hateful. That's a substitute of knowledge for idiots
and here ---->
we have a perfect example. That's the most common thing on this board. They are not interested in movies but for some reason they want to hold strong opinions about them because they saw someone with opinions looking smart. They want to look smart too but they don't want to put up the effort for that so they're just assuming contrarian or negative position. Most of the posts on this board is literally hating movies and shows you haven't seen. it wasn't like that before 2016 elections
You weren't here before 2016
you know we have archive, right?
Point is you are wrong and have no argument and won't have an argument no matter how long you cherry pick the archive.
This is true but the video game boards have slipped even worse. Actual on-topic discussion is almost impossible, although Cinemaphile still has the occasional comfy thread
>although Cinemaphile still has the occasional comfy thread
yeah, that's why i still come here
>>From the mind of George Rape Rape Martin
An hour later, her stomach began to cramp so badly that she could not go on. She spent the rest of that day retching up green slime. If I stay here, I will die. I may be dying now. Would the horse god of the Dothraki part the grass and claim her for his starry khalasar, so she might ride the nightlands with Khal Drogo? In Westeros the dead of House Targaryen were given to the flames, but who would light her pyre here? My flesh will feed the wolves and carrion crows, she thought sadly, and worms will burrow through my womb. Her eyes went back to Dragonstone. It looked smaller. She could see smoke rising from its wind-carved summit, miles away. Drogon has returned from hunting.
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water. When she closed her eyes at last, Dany did not know whether she would be strong enough to open them again.
She dreamt of her dead brother.
Yeah, boomers like him have ruined everything for us, so yeah, we fricking hate you and everything you do.
Negativity has grown because media antagonism has grown. It's not enough to make a movie by replacing the male cast with a female one, they have to add fuel to the flame with their armies of journalists who launch endless clickbait campaigns to stir up more controversy than they would otherwise get. We don't live in an era of entertainment anymore. It's an era of outrage farming.
do you think he hates d&d for ruining is magnum opus? i know it wouldnt be prudent of him to straight up say what he feels, but does he secretly harbor hatred?
i mean i would, i hate d&d and Im just a fan of ASoIaF
Has this kld fat cuck stopped to think that maybe the reason I hate the shit he does is because it's shilled non-stop 24/7 all over the world and media?
He was suppose to finish his books like 10 years ago
>doesn't do his job
>complains when people point out he isn't doing his job
Just gonna pirate his book if it comes out
Okay but the quality of Western media in general has declined horrifically in the last ten years. Seeing terrible 200+ million dollar films flop is something to be celebrated if you have any standards
>Okay but the quality of Western media in general has declined horrifically in the last ten years.
if you're only watching capeshit and similar movies
I'm just saying in general, but especially when it comes to any Western blockbusters.
>I'm just saying in general
then you're wrong. You people always say that but at the same time you never watch any movies beside the sloppiest, most mainstream slop. And if you scratch a little, literally just a small effort, you will find tons of kinos literally every year
Well I'd love some recommendations from 2023. There were some decent movies sure but my favorite movies were all foreign films last year. If we're talking about other media though, TV shows, books, cartoons, music, whatever, you don't think there's been a decline there?
>If we're talking about other media though, TV shows, books, cartoons, music, whatever, you don't think there's been a decline there?
literally just scratch a little
I have scratched anon and I'm not sure what you're talking about. Western media in general has been on the decline for a good while now. Most people would rather scratch at foreign media or past media. Hell Comes to Frogtown looks like a masterpiece compared to 90% of Western theatrical releases these days.
>Western media in general has been on the decline for a good while now.
i can repeat. If you're watching capeshit then yes. I watch movies for over 20 years and i don't remember a single bad year for movies. There's always dozens of small, indie kinos
Are any of them really good or just decent though? I am struggling to think of anything "great" the West has put out as far as TV, movies, games, books, music, etc for years now. Feel free to mention a masterpiece from 2023 though
Past Lives, Mrs Davis, The Curse
Past Lives is a half-Korean production, that's not saying much about the Western indie movie scene. The other ones look interesting I guess. I'll check them out if I get the chance.
infinity pool, reality, eileen, dream scenario, sanctuary, yannick, starling girl, bottoms, my animal
>The other ones look interesting I guess.
so this is the first time you've heard about the curse? L M A O
I'm more into going to the theater than watching TV shows, but I'll watch it if it's good
Infinity Pool was interesting, I'll check out the others
NTA but there are a lot of ways things have gotten better but also much worse.
>people who like my books and tv show are... le good!
>people who complain about the book I failed to write in 12 years and the tv show that went to shit are... le bad!
What a fair and brave stance.
Hard to be a 'fan fan' of something when the creator seems to have nothing but disdain for themselves and their own work.
the only person I think this truly applies to is Andrew Hussie with homestuck
most of the rest don't hate their work but get too caught up in their own heads and deviate from what made it successful in the first place
Funny coming from an anti-writer who gives interviews even tho he doesn't write anything
>immediately jumps to Sam fricking Tarly as an example
kek
frick off George.
Well. Everything I like has been hijacked by woke shits. So of course I'll talk shit about things like Rings of Power, The Witcher etc.
I have never hated anyone so much before
Why post an edit? It was published in 2011, and that was plenty long enough ago
It's not an edit brother look it up, dance with dragons was just feast of crows part two and they were finished together
Has he met Lizzie Olsen recently, by any chance?
Women: Dont tell me what I can or cant do!
Also women: Letel me tell you what you can and cant do.
>don't talk about things you hate
Then nothing ever gets done.
Women logic moronic as always. Frick this gay ass movie, and frick Ted too.
The old frick should just kill himself, since he can't take a little war and people being ~~*haters*~~.
If he can't figure out why everyone is dumping on new shit, maybe he should look to the past.
shall we talk about what we love, gurm?
is it just a coincidence they met a few times afterwards?
Also which actress from the cast of HOTD do you think GURM wants to bone or is secretly boning?
>George RR Martin's Night With Shae
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>when he talks about his imaginary character stories with diorama figurines as he was a kid
he's just like me, except it was legos for me
I could genuinely believe they were just friends. Maybe she was looking for more to expand her career but I think if he was fricking her there would probably be less open pics/videos of them hanging out
GRRM also for being a slob, perverted, gross fat man seems to be pretty charming and friendly
thats a YIKES from me senpai
Not just him, but it's kinda funny how millennials get offended over the slightest criticisms.
>still seething and malding over people not liking his TV series
He's unironically a cuck
George RR Martin looks like he pays Asian women for sex
He's literally a sociopathic commie israelite.
>fat homosexual is still seething that people figured out all his upcoming twists and now goes on to blame toxic fans that he isn’t finishing the books
he’s like pretty much every liberal in that Trump was his great, amazing, perfect excuse to fall apart as people. Just become dumb, useless, hysterical, and deranged. he’ll blame Trump until his death for not finishing the books.
he was truly gonna be on the hook before, if you think shoot it. D&D using a version of a rough game plan, show winding down, more eyes looking back toward him as the show became a joke.
then Trump gets elected and he can just go, “aaaaaa I’m losing my mind the world is destroyed I can’t fuuuuunction.”
Covid was gonna be when he would have finished it, and he simply didn’t. it’s never happening. Not TWOW, not ados, not f&b part 2, and probably not another d&e.
>he’s like pretty much every liberal in that Trump was his great, amazing, perfect excuse to fall apart as people. Just become dumb, useless, hysterical, and deranged. he’ll blame Trump until his death for not finishing the books.
Side effect of attributing subjective alienation and ennui entirely to external pressures (i.e. Idolatry). It's why media is almost exclusively agitprop didactic allegory written by schoolmarms and finger waggers.
I remember Preston doing a breakdown of his writing announcements and I think his conclusion was that Martin has literally only written during Covid and not nearly enough
to me his updates during Covid sounded like rehashes of the first 3-4 years of his updates. the numbers seemed really sus. It was like, “wait didn’t you say you already wrote x amount 6 years ago?”
so yeah, I’d believe it. I doubt the writing was even particularly organized or moved the needle much. just rewrites, fleshing out already complete chapters, etc.
I’d be surprised if he had more than 500 pages actually ready to submit.
That's the issue when you're a "gardener" who isn't willing to be ruthlessly pruning away the nonsense to arrive at a viable final version (while you're also pulling a strop and are potentially scared) and have a publisher who treats you with kid gloves. Unironically hope they take him to court, if that's at all possible
the editors who kept him on track were out of the picture after book 3. look at the publishing dates, overall focus of the novels and its black and white lol
apparently no one has any control or final edit over him. guess he renegotiated his contract, to his own detriment.
I hope the publishers go off the books and start hiring...."professionals" to scare the shit out of him. Maybe by replacing his food with low fat alternatives. A lot of money is on the line
Imagine being a magician and being slow as shit, and then having the audacity to get mad at the audience. If you write like a moron go back to doing one off Thousand World style stories, not a sprawling epic which needs pace and tempo for autists not to sit down and figure it all out
Finish the book fatso.
Welcome to the internet fat cucking moron
Welcome to 1996
Oh yeah, I'm sure if people simply couldn't talk to each other they would have loved the slop Disney keeps pushing out.
The time he took to write that paragraph could have been used to write one more paragraph in his decade long con he calls a new book
>everybody hates your draft used on the tv series
>can't think anything better in a decade to replace it
>"f-fricking haters"
Cringe fat homosexual. Doesn't understand that people talk about hating shit so much only to counteract the endlesspseud circlejerking that surrounds franchises like SOAF.
More like people are realizing Gay of Thrones is overrated trash
He's right though, all we do on this board is whine about how shit everything is, even when it isn't.
Prove me wrong
you can’t talk shit, give any unfiltered criticism, or really say anything negative about whole swathes of the population in 99% of online places without being labeled an evil toxic nazi and shadowbanned, so why would they not take that liberty here.
KIL:L YOURSELF ETOU FRICKING BAFggot!1!!!!!!
actually that was kind of cathartic...
yeah and imagine saying that on twitter or whatever and irl coworkers seeing it or some shit and instead of going, “oh anons having a meltdown what a dumb moron,” they show it to your boss to get you fired or something.
so yeah, it’s a nice freedom to have here.
What this guy said
The criticism these people get online isn't objective and well articulated, it's usually like FRICK YOU FOR MAKING IT GAY YOU FAT DYING moron
Please don't misunderstand my post, anyone calling for censorship is a homosexual, and you should have a nice day for trying to contribute to the further erosion of out freedoms.
I don't see him calling for censorship? He's just pointing people like us are whiny buttholes, which we are
Wheels only squeak when they're not getting grease. And boy is there a lack of any good grease these days
>I don’t see him calling for censorship?
Thats because you’re moronic, anon. you haven’t realized that?
he said, verbatim, “he’s right,” about GRRM, who is actually pushing for censorship of negative feedback and blaming it for all the world’s problems.
see? You’re just a moron who couldn’t read the first 2 words. no biggie haha
Where is the call for censorship? In the text from OP's picture he's just saying its sad, he's not calling for censorship at all? If he did elsewhere, show me instead of being morons
>The criticism these people get online isn't objective and well articulated
congrats, welcome to the world, not every post or review is a perfectly fair and thought out treatise. doesn’t mean people should be removed or have their lives ruined. Block and move on.
Again, where is the call for censorship? All I see is him saying we are jerks, which is correct
Real authors like Faulkner or Poe never had this issue.
I am convinced beyond a doubt that grrm threw a tantrum back in 2008 or so when people were figuring out what was gonna happen in the next 3 books, which is why dance also got delayed so much. He didn’t want to be obvious since he’s obviously a fat homosexual that got bullied all his childhood so his one escape was the thing bullied kids do where they larp themselves into believing they’re secret geniuses
Anyways tldr
>people read SoS
>start figuring out feast and dance
>feast comes out and gives them even more to go on
>grrm starts fricking seething
>rewrites dance as much as he can without fricking with the continuity
>seethes even more when people still understand what’s gonna happen despite his rewrites making it even harder
>writes himself into a fricking corner for winds
>around this time the show is catching up to dance
>throw dumb and dumber breadcrumbs
>fans absolutely hate what happens, even some of the normies who devour slop as long as their favourite characters says or does something cool or funny start questioning it
>wtf they hate it
>grow into a rampant depression because not only did everyone figure out most of what’s happening they hate it too
It’s why the fat c**t can’t stop mentioning the red wedding in his interviews btw, he thinks he’s so fricking clever for pulling it off, if you go back you’ll notice he’ll take any chance he gets to mention the red wedding. It’s his one cope he still has that he’s a good writer
Probably more accurate than not
>It’s why the fat c**t can’t stop mentioning the red wedding in his interviews btw
Is he actually harping on about it? Like an artist bragging about a one hit wonder from 20 years ago. Or maybe all his other hits aren't finished (Purple Wedding, Battle of Ice, Battle of Blood etc) because he broke them all on purpose and can't remake them into something good (also he simply stopped writing). Also I think he resents himself for not doing the time skip
You might not believe me but I met him in 2015 and jokingly asked him if Robin Arryn was gonna survive the books and sit the throne and I shit you not his reply was “you’ve seen the red wedding right, no one is safe” and gave his high pitched giggle
Bleh, how cringe. But I guess that's a decent enough on brand automatic retort that would have less discerning fans basedyyying over. Also lmao, he often brings back major characters from the dead, because either he can't commit or he understands the major flaw of genociding your main cast
He’s done it in a few interviews I’ve seen of him. I haven’t really given got any thought in half a decade because of how bland the final season(s) were but I bet that fat frick still brings up the red wedding at least on a semi regular basis when he talks to people.
I know there’s some interview from like the final season where they ask him something in the ballpark about which of the main cast are dying and he says something like “well we all remember I wrote the red wedding and bla bla bla”
Old people struggle to say new things. Is the Red Wedding the only trick he's managed to do and stick the landing on? Everything else is still up in the air, currently tbd.
Also I'd disagree the last seasons were bland, they were offensively bad
genuinely don’t think Dany or any of the core group are dying, like his early notes read.
he may have characters that had their fates changed over time, but the core (Dany, bran, tyrion, Jon, Arya) are the nucleus of whatever had planned and the story relies on them making it to the end in some form.
the gardener meme stuff isn’t a pure thing for him. if it was, he might actually get somewhere. but as it is, the clash between the Plan and the Gardening is probably part of what led him to a standstill.
I think Dany going mad and getting killed is one of the things readers figured out which made him seethe. I don’t think Dumb and dumber would’ve written it in the show of their own accord. I think what they did to the white walkers was on GRRMs notes to not completely spoil his book ending though. Since as much as the fat man pisses me off it can’t be that bad. I hope wights don’t die if their reanimator dies though cause that’s some Shlock writing
>I think Dany going mad and getting killed is one of the things readers figured out which made him seethe.
That is HEAVILY implied/foreshadowed throughout the books. Anyone patting themselves on the back for getting that is a cretin.
>Anyone patting themselves on the back for getting that is a cretin.
That says less about the speculator, and more about the seething author
I dunno I remember posting about in /got/ threads and mostly got pushback around season 3-6
I'm talking about the books, the last one was 2008.
Didn’t dance come out in 11?
> I don’t think Dumb and dumber would’ve written it in the show of their own accord
his plan was more of Dany to be perceived as being mad, not necessarily actually being so. and they changed it last minute from her accidentally setting off wildfyre to just going ham, which is why people noticed flames in a few frames that hadn’t been fixed.
It was absolutely d&d, who had nothing but loathing and hatred for Emilia Clarke.
they lied to her about how the show turns out, since a lot of her last scenes she’s literally just sitting on a saddle in a green screen being instructed to make hundreds of different expressions for hours. They decided how to edit it later.
She did an interview with them about a dinner watchparty she had with fans and had assured them she hadn’t gone evil as the ep started, only to be completely humiliated to look like she had no idea what she was talking about.
she told the story in a heartfelt way, and they were just laughing and she was trying to awkwardly play it cool but sounded upset.
those dudes fricking hated her, hated being stuck with her so long. and they operated out of pure spite & favoritism, and not just with her.
>which is why people noticed flames in a few frames that hadn’t been fixed.
Didn't hear this, any source?
Why did they hate her so much? She wasn't the greatest actress but always seemed very sweet and friendly during interviews. I do think D&D hated the show by the end, they basically wrapped it up pronto because they were bored and struggling (although they have some sympathy with fat man not finishing more books) and wanted to dip to go and make big bucks with Star Wars
>Why did they hate her so much?
She had an brain anurysm during season 2 or 3 and almost died and as a result had a lot of extra care and attention put on her during production.
whether that has anything to do with it or not i'm not sure, but they also notoriously disliked the guy that played barriston because he dared question them on the way his character was going to get offed so i wouldn't doubt it. they seem like total drama queens.
Yeah I remember them hating him cause he read the books and disagreed with his character development and that his arc from Dwd was getting scrapped
Funny how he was right and his anticlimactic death was one of the first things that normies picked up about the show taking a nosedive
It's not the poor girls fault that she had a rare condition. So what they had to take more care of her? Not like she was doing big stunts of anything.
Yeah it must've sucked for the Barriston actor, getting shanked in an alley like they're filming a documentary about London, when in the books there's this whole big arc coming about whether or not he'll doom the city.....which we'll never read about because fat man is fat
she also asked to not do so many nude scenes after s1, which played a part. probably started playing hardball in contract negotiations as she went higher profile.
I don’t really think d&d need a solid reason, they just decide they hate someone, or favor them, and it shows up in the writing.
it got worse the more leaks there were, so I’m sure that didn’t help their tempers or pride.
Ok I mean I get kind of being miffed about less nude scenes because that was once a big draw of the show, but they didn't really compensate by making other cast members take their kit off, they just ditched the t&a entirely and became way more boring as a result.
I remember reading some schizo stuff about Dabid and how they're mad and completely unqualified to run such a big series and were classic nepotistic hires.
Someone with authority should’ve done something after the fiasco of a pilot and gotten different writers
I’ve been out of the loop so long why did they hate her?
>accidentally setting off wildfire
Oh right I forgot, that is totally what happens in the book, I still think Jon will kill her on the throne though. Maybe thinking she’s mad when she really wasn’t or she’ll convince herself that the wildfire explosion was necessary anyways so it’s not a problem
Dany absolutely was going to go mad, attack Kings Landing, and get killed in the books.
But it was likely going to be in raging seething anger over Aegon already taking over Kings Landing and winning the throne for their namesake.
Just like "Bran" ends up on the throne at the very end, except it's actually Bloodraven who warged into Brans body and killed the real Bran off.
she was gonna come to Westeros thinking she was the Conquering hero to return, only to be completely and utterly perceived as a foreign monster leading an army of demons, mutants, and pillaging tribals.
then she’d make a series of blunders culminating in accidentally setting off the Wildfyre stores in the city, and everyone would believe she burnt the city down on purpose.
for her to simply go and because she didn’t get her way is too on the nose. she’s constantly questioning and re-assessing herself for signs of madness.
the tragedy is in not anticipating how she would be seen, and remember how Gurm beats you over the head with the idea that perception is the core of power?
If she just goes mad it’s like oh well she was a nutjob, it says nothing.
but if she’s perceived like an even worse version of her father Aerys, no matter what she tries to do, outflanked by someone who isn’t anymore Westerosi than she is and maybe not who he claims to be (never confirmed, no point), then it drives home her core character tragedy: you can never go home again. there is nowhere for her, let alone her big dream.
that’s why the lemons shit keeps getting played over and over in her head. she doesn’t realize it was Tyrosh, not Braavos.
there’s no real need to kill her off, the perception of being mad and the final loss of a hope of a home is the end of her arc.
What would happen with (f?)Ageon?
I wonder that too. is he killed in the flames or does he survive to consolidate support after the horrific tragedy?
Who knows. Sone anons said his role was dismembered and distributed between remaining characters. so maybe Cersei got the KL part and he dies like her. Idk
This sounds way better than what the fat man would write though
thanks, but I do think he was setting it up this way. he does repetitive clues that should make it obvious if you have an interest in writing/plot structure. like that famous convo between Tyrion and Varys that yells it at you lol
she’ll be undone by perception and Tyrion will be the architect of all the death.
This is completely ignoring the giant problem (Aegon) in the room.
He's already on the shores of Kings Landing ready to take over with the Targ name. Either he will be repelled and looked at like you say Dany will, or he will be victorious and usher in Danys final descent into madness, otherwise it would just be repeating the same story beats book after book, and that's something GRRM is very good about not doing.
reread my post, I explained his role in how she’s received. I just didn’t name him.
I should have included more though:
what led me to this was the idea that Tyrion is actually a villain, or at least an asoiaf version. he even openly claims he just wants to ruin things for everyone else from now on. that’s who he becomes.
he’s the reason Aegon is even in Westeros! He convinced him to go there instead of linking up with his new employer. He put them on a collision course just coz he could.
so he’ll probably help Dany make even worse blunders, encourage her to be harsher in her policies against the people of KL, who he hates.
A big reason she’s perceived as a monster is they’ll have Aegon, rhaegar reborn, come to save them from the sparrow and Cersei and anarchy, then Dany, a woman with a lesser claim, horrible monsters, and an army of Dothraki is like hell coming back again.
so I am accounting for him. he is a large part of the failure of her plans.
might have succeeded if they had done a marriage alliance, but she’d be a gross liability showing up then, and anyway he’d need to marry locally, not the mad king’s foreign daughter.
What about bran then
Fair enough, it's been a while since I actually read the books (literally since Dance came out) so I'm probably way off the mark. You seem to have put a lot of thought into this whereas I just ripped a bong and tried to put 2 and 2 together.
I do appreciate the insight.
I didn’t honestly really try, it just started to hit me over the head over the last few years. I was really troubled by the Dany goes mad route, I was like this bugs me but I can’t figure out why. Then I realized it just said nothing, illuminated nothing about her, made her pointless. we all expect, especially in her last scenes in ADWD, of going that way. that’s what made me wonder if it was a false path.
but it was other anons who turned me onto the idea of Tyrion having the full villain arc. don’t think Arya will, and Dany’s didn’t make sense.
Looking back at Tyrion’s encounter with Faegon it was the only explanation that accounted for actively working against the interests of someone he intended to work for.
So what happens with Jon the walkers and bran then, this is probably the closest I’ll get to closure of this series since what you’re saying makes a lot of sense
can’t figure that out, but seems obvious the others been out to get Jon since the prologue, god knows why.
idk about bran king but my sense is BR is not the 3ER itself, he’s a human host for it. The 3ER is looking for a new host. to what end? Idk.
it is probably the collective consciousness of the weirwoods or some scifi stuff like GRRM likes. the COTF are its symbiotic/slave species. Maybe it did make the Others to clean house.
Truly don’t think there’ll be a night king or anything like that. Haven’t really thought the rest out. I don’t know if he’s as solid on the supernatural stuff. I think he has political arcs worked out, mostly.
>others out to get John since the prologue
What gave you that impression?
Waymar and Jon are cousins because a stark married into the Royce family a gen or two ago, he’s described as physically similar down to a tee, and they observe his sword with wariness, expecting the Valyrian steel that Jon will later have. they laugh when it breaks easily, which isn’t against expectations. there was more to this theory but I forget some of it.
The more interesting theory to me is that Jon’s chapter talking to Benjen in the beginning is not remotely what it seems.
Benjen laughs about Jon assuming he chose the NW and glorifies it, Jon notices Benjen has incredibly fancy clothes, which you think would be against being a rugged Nightswatchman, and Benjen is actively trying to coerce Jon into the NW while holding himself apart from all the Starks. Later there’s some hint that he got to Luwin to get him to seal the deal and convince Ned, orchestrating the whole thing out of resentment against Ned, who wasn’t totally on board with the idea at first. why?
Gurm refused to answer a fan who asked if Benjen chose to go in, said we wouldn’t get to know what made him go in, it’s relevant later.
so Benjen was probably forced and punished Ned by hyping Jon up and ushering him in.
no love lost between Ned and Benjen. That first chapter is totally different if you ignore Jon’s preconceptions and read the little physical clues.
*which is against expectations
Forgot to add:
my only real guess why the Benjen thing is Benjen had involvement with the mystery surrounding Jon and Ned made him join the NW to protect the secret. so a lot of collateral damage in his family just to keep Jon safe.
makes Ned more interesting to me.
This is the theory in particular that I think GRRM seethes about since it’s arguably the best hidden and the one teased in the very prologue
The others aren't bad, imo.
yeah that could be too. just something alien. but they are out to get Jon.
It could be that Jon is the one they want to be their Night King. I think they're at the wall during Jon's death because it's so cold that all Jon can feel is the cold while he's being stabbed to death.
Maybe Arya really does end up killing the Night King in the books, but it's fricking Jon
Aren't all the old legends basically being that Night Kings are Starks?
Yeah, iirc there was one Night's King and it was a Brandon Stark that married an Other woman and they stayed at the Nightfort doing human sacrifice, enslaved the Night's Watch, and other nasty shit until a bunch of people got together and killed him
>what led me to this was the idea that Tyrion is actually a villain, or at least an asoiaf version.
Highly doubt this. Tyrion and Sam Tarly are his mouth pieces. No way, they're end up being "wrong" in the end.
Plus we have the end of the show to use as an example. Whether you like it or not, I believe the major story beats are the same in the books. Done better than the show of course.
They can't be done better if they don't exist. Real beats unreal every time, regardless of how shoddy it is
>except it's actually Bloodraven who warged into Brans body and killed the real Bran off.
I actually prefer that reveal to the real Bran becoming this fricked up.
After Bran got crippled, he started leaving his body behind to warg into other animals, eventually it wasn't him who came back.
"Ah my sister, the rape (or more actually the cultural consensual but modern audiences might balk at it) was kino"
reminds me of when he refused to answer a fan about how Benjen joined the NW, once people realized the, “ by choice,” thing was an assumption he had led us all to without actually saying it.
just another mystery that’ll never be answered, though at least there’s clues.
The conversations haven't changed. He's just afraid of the conversation now because he doesn't want to be canceled.
I did not like his books or his show and here's why: they were created by a fat talentless hack writer who hates his fans Was that okay Mr. R Martin?
Why not do both? The fat frick can barely write and what he does write is just harry potter for adults. His fricking writting minions wrote and finished the expanse and it was 10x better. He is just mad he can't continue to do nothing while tweeting about writing like he is one.
people are dying in israel right now and this is the shit this fat frick wants to complain about? he's fricking pathetic.
he complained about war yesterday, might have even mentioned Israel.
Gaza isn't Israel you zionist shill
*hits pipe*
So how about that new book, George, my laddie?
make better shit then
I bet George would've gotten along with L. Ron Hubbard the gay
only just realized how sparse his beard is
He never has any intention of finishing nor releasing Winds of Winter or the series. He gave up after D&D essentially kicked him off the GOT show and simultaneously revealed and ruined his ending.
It was on a blind item list a few months ago.
Please find this and leak it anon
from crazydaysandnights, which is fairly accurate with their blind items that i've seen and is one of the most well known leakers of blind items drama.
There really is no one else that fits the bill here huh
Thanks anon.
You need to make peace with it, everyone does. It annoys me that they're making House of the Dragon, completely undermines the concept of how it was written but hey ho, more slop for the trough
I had, years ago. I fricked up and reread the series. Now..... all I can think about is the potential of the winds of winter. I fricked up bad
If it’s any consolation I think he’s finishing winds of winter to throw a bone and maybe avoid legal ramifications but Dream of spring is never coming
He's never going to release Winds
>leagl ramifications
The dude is ike 80 years old with hundreds of millions of dollars. There are no legal ramifications he will give a single iota of a frick about when it comes to not delivering on his book.
The real honest to god truth is he was a strugling author his entire life and had to write books to make a living, and then HBO gave him a couple of truckloads of cash for the rights of GOT and he retired and only works on shit he wants to for passion projects. He doesn't NEED to write Winds like he needed to write the other books 20 years ago, so it's never going to get finished.
He has money he might want legacy, though. If there’s one thing old people actually care about when eternity is at the door it’s that people will care about them the next day and unless he releases winds they won’t.
Plus whatever draft he has will obviously get leaked if he died or sold by greedy family members just like how Tolkiens living heirs shat on his memory by allowing RoP
I don't think he cares. Christ imagine how much he'll be hated when he's gone, 3 unfinished series from his beloved franchise with a subpar tv show a consolation. If he had pumped Winds maybe 7 years ago his reputation might have been salvageable (oh he only died before his last book, and he was making such good progress too!) but now with such big gaps and the rumours of hating his audience there's no coming back from it
His entire family and his entire wifes family are dead and they do not have any children, so there's no heirs to pass down the script to and leak it. His old editor that he supposedly gave the original script of Winds to died a year or so ago, so I doubt that would leak from there.
He also has said multiple times he doesn't really give a shit about his legacy and he's not going to allow anyone else to finish his work and if it's not finished when he's dead so be it. He's really just stopped giving a shit since the TV show ruined his ending, and I don't blame him. Although I think he's also using that as an excuse since he clearly wrote himself into a corner and has no idea how to get out of it without doing a time skip like he originally planned.
I honestly don't think he's written himself into a corner, it's fricking words on a page, make the characters go where you want them to semi plausibly and the readers will cut you some slack. At best I think he's annoyed because he can't do it perfectly, and at worst it's because he doesn't care and cba
>If it’s any consolation I think he’s finishing winds of winter
I believe this is called cope, a well aged vintage, around 13 years old now
>I fricked up and smoked a small bowl of crack
For shame anon. There needs to be an AA group for former ASOIAF fans
Maybe people focus on the negatives because there are more negatives than positives.
Since we’re sort of discussing the books and show now..
Considering we know that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyannas, how come Ned even let him join the watch? He obviously didn’t legitimise him as a stark for that sole reason so why let him give up lands and titles in the watch?
Also, when Aerys killed Ned’s brother and father he iirc demanded Jon Arryn to deliver Robert and Ned to KL (or outright kill?) and Jon Arryn rebelled in protest, how come Aerys didn’t call for Benjen too
>Considering we know that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyannas
Welcome to the internet, George. It has been like this since the early 2000's maybe even the late 90's.
He won’t finish his story because he knows it cannot have a satisfying conclusion. All that deconstruction and subversion of fantasy and fairy-tale tropes has come to finally bite his fat ass in the very end.
Anyone find it odd that GRRM wrote Sam as his self insert and the love interest he gives “himself” is basically a half moronic incest woman with an incest baby?
Hey, it's that loser who is so salty about JK Rowling winning a sci-fi aware ahead of his book that he actually referenced Harry Potter in the most popular series he has, that he has NEVER FINISHED while J.K. Rowlings has a theme park for her finished series her original fans are reading to their children now. Rowling's die hard fans made wizard rock, while this loser's die hard fans are porn addicted incel that will never procreate.
>shits the bed
>STOP TALKING ABOUT SHITTING THE BED
kek
So Quarter Pounder and Critical Drinker are the reason this fat frick refuses to write?
Every single part of the establishment says that mean words on the internet is the biggest crisis we are facing at the moment, and it's the biggest we have ever faced.
People didn't change. Media did. People still have great discussions about the classics. Lord of The Rings threads are always comfy as frick. Go make an Asimov thread on Cinemaphile sit back and enjoy a good discussion. People here still talk about films like No Country For Old Men 2 decades later. Modern shit is just all dogshit.
Th-thats not part of the n-narrative
Take it back!
Has there ever been a bigger (hehe) has-been than the "American Tolkien"?
The "American Hitler" (Richard Spencer)
Hes a fed
have at him
He's fed a great burger
Why are his sex scenes so fricking bad? And why don't his editors tell him to fix it? It astonishes me that "her c**t became the world" and "the sight of their arousal was arousing" actually made it to publication.
>16 years since the last book
holy frick i didnt realize it was that long already.
2024-2011=16?
shit you're right, for some reason when I googled it, it said Dance came out in 2008.
Careful anon, you'll catch a case like that
it wasnt a joke on how george rr stopped writing once the hbo checks started coming in?
I remember reading somewhere how they basically had to cajole him to release Dance, for them it was a perfect combo of first season and latest book pushing up consumers of both which in turn meant a load of stuff was left on the cutting room floor which he's still pretending is new stuff for winds
that shitty prequel book came out recently, the one they base teh new show on, in order to blackstain the targaryans, the one house thats literally eugenicist incest aryans, yeah that one needed diversification
damn its been 16 years since GoT started?
He gave up on it once the tv series spoiled the ending.
they made me and my anons hate them. i didnt do this voluntarlily. its involuntary hatred.
The story grew in the telling and got himself stuck then used the distractions of fame (cowardly) to procrastinate. He will never be on the same level as Jordan , Tolkien or even Erikson if he doesn't finish the series which I highly doubt he will. I remember preoredering dance at Waterstones. I gave up on him years ago.