>spend entire arc building up the legendary super saiyan that only appears once every thousand years
Next arc: >teenage time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up >casually becomes super saiyan >one-shots previous arc villain >explains that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died >i'm also vegeta's son :^)
This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
Yeah but he was over with bowl cut suburban skaters like myself. Toriyama built up two future stars only to bury them for the old washed up guys in buu saga
JEEPERS CREEPER and my GRANDMA'S KNICKERS, you're telling that while I was fighting for my LIFE, my soon to be wife was getting BRED by some WEIRD human/alien/namekian MUTANT, popped out disgusting babies and my best friend's son MURDERED in cold blood the monster's kids that I would have gladly raised as my OWN ???? And you're telling my that Cell's tentacle DICKS forever changed my WIFE's DNA which means that Marron is not even my OWN which means that every single Z Fighter technically IMPREGNATED my wife at the same TIME even Piccolo the DICKLESS slug ??? ZOWEE MAMA and dare I say it YABA DABA DOOOOOOOO
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
More. Or is there an archive to read them?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just search yabba dabba on the Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile archive
Because its one of the few times we get to see a Dragon Ball villain that isn't just a moustache twirling cliche spending their time between fighting either standing around talking about how evil they are or literally just standing there waiting for the heroes to show up.
Plus it shows that 18 isn't an out and out psychopath and can be reasoned with using the right motivations, setting up that she actually can be redeemed, instead of the standard unforeshadowed DBZ villain redemption of changing irredeemably evil murderers into noble Z fighters because Goku buck broke them.
>previous arc villain is a genetic freak super being with a galactic empire under his control that can casually destroy planets and is only defeated by a prophesied legendary super warrior >UMMMMM ACKSHUALLY, THESE SECRET ROBOTS BUILT BY THIS OLD GUY ON EARTH ARE LIKE 100x FRIEZA'S POWER LEVEL AND DUNK ON EVERYBODY LMAO
Toriyama was a hack
yeah, I also never found believable that a scientist on earth was able to make more advanced technology than an alien empire literally conquering planets left and right
Dr Briefs and Bulma. Dr Wheelo. Dr Gero. Dr Slump.
Dragon Ball's universe has plenty of super scientists that could easily create the tech needed to conquer the galaxy. Vegeta got checked by Arale of all people.
The Androids are slasher villains in a manga. I guess God Mode Piccolo giving them moral clarity allowed 17+18 to see that Cell was the world ending evil.
>spend entire arc building up the legendary super saiyan that only appears once every thousand years
Next arc: >teenage time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up >casually becomes super saiyan >one-shots previous arc villain >explains that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died >i'm also vegeta's son :^)
Yeah, it's was pure kino.
>forced
-san, when is the next arc releasing? >>It's not, the story is finished >>
What the frick did they do, sic the Yakuza on this homie? He's just became a lazy attention prostitute. Even the Frieza saga is stupid in its own right. >Jarvis, reverse engineer interstellar travel offscreen so we can find midget piccolo and use the even biggerer and betterer dargon balls to avoid all consequences and remove all potential tension once and for all while still continuing to involve ourselves in world-ending plotlines instead of just fun adventure sagas
Frick Dragon Ball Z, shit's a joke. Raditz was cool though.
What is exactly is wrong with anything you wrote? Is it because zoomer shonen isn't brave enough to have anything fun like that? Every time DBZ gets criticized I know it's some pretentious moron, nu-shonengays spend all their time trying to tear a series apart looking for "asspulls", allowing this to warp their standards into something atrocious.
Because dragon balls that can bring the dead back to life infinite times while also being created by a peoples who aren't even on the same planet that the main characters are on so they are never in danger when the main characters are completely removes all tension from the story especially when dealing with a race that gets infinitely more powerful when they get beaten almost to death. >OH NO GOKU GOT KILLED BY CELL! >they use the dragon balls to bring him back more powerful than before >CELL BLEW UP THE PLANET! >if even one of the mother frickers survives they can go to new namek and bring everyone back to life
>if even one of the mother frickers survives they can go to new namek and bring everyone back to life
They wouldn't be able to survive the explosion as it vaporized Goku and even if by some miracle they did, they would die in space. You don't even watch the show moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they would die in space
Bulma would just survive in a space ship and wish everyone back. Checkmate.
>forced
-san, when is the next arc releasing? >>It's not, the story is finished >>
What the frick did they do, sic the Yakuza on this homie? He's just became a lazy attention prostitute. Even the Frieza saga is stupid in its own right. >Jarvis, reverse engineer interstellar travel offscreen so we can find midget piccolo and use the even biggerer and betterer dargon balls to avoid all consequences and remove all potential tension once and for all while still continuing to involve ourselves in world-ending plotlines instead of just fun adventure sagas
Frick Dragon Ball Z, shit's a joke. Raditz was cool though.
he eventually did end up quitting but having your editor in your ear, talking big money to you can be tempting.
none of this is true Toriyama kept it going because he wanted to. Stop being homosexual Redditors and stop spreading this bullshit.
Dragon Ball Z was clearly Gohan's story though. Goku is barely in Z.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was a ensamble story. For example, Vegeta and krillin carried the Namek arc before Goku arrives.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it’s clearly Gohan’s because the Cell saga is about Gohan losing his shit over a robot he just met… and some filler where he gets lost in the woods in the beginning
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the only time DBZ wasn't about Gohan was during Namek and at the tail-end of Buu.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
DBZ was an ensemble cast with Goku and later Vegeta acting as protagonist and deuteragonist respectfully. Gohan was the tritagonist in Z. With the rest of the cast alternating in and out of tetartagonist role. Usually Piccolo or Krillin.
Reddit, unironically. You can tell because the people who spout it are usually speaking in some reddit-tier psychobabble or incomprehensible Spanish dialect from the third world.
It kind of makes sense from a writing standpoint, the Super Sayan was so hyped up that once Goku transforms and beats the emperor of the universe, there is not much else left to expand on. Having a scientist on Earth create 4 robots stronger than Freeza was dumb but it was fun.
I can say this tho, when he went into the Cell saga his editor kept giving him shit. Toriyama came un with 19 and 20, editor guy whas like an old guy and some fat moron are not good villains, design something else. He came up with 16, 17 and 18, the editor again told him, those are just some teenagers, you have to make something scary. When he finally came up with Cell, again, editor sama kept b***hing about his first form looking like a bug, the second one looking like a weird troony thing and settled at last for Perfect Cell. Maybe these two facts got mixed into Toriyama only made the Cell and Buu saga because his editor was pressuring him.
>Having a scientist on Earth create 4 robots stronger than Freeza was dumb but it was fun.
The problem could have been avoided if it showed them gaining strength, e.g. the energy absorption or had some other excuse as to why rather than just a little spy fly bot.
It was still moronic that gero made these kids he kidnapped and diddled into cyborgs so much stronger than himself.
It's not really good writing since you can tell he's obviously just cribbing terminator.
Yeah just like the Sayan saga was "inspired" on Superman's origin. He fricked himself over with the scouts and making powerlevels quantifiable numbers. If it weren't for that we couldn't really know the difference in strength between a normal human, Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza, making it stupid to have someone so much more powerful, like Cell, being built on Earth. Like you said, if instead of androids he made them robots and had them fly into the Sun and spend some time absorbing energy to power up, then having Cell absorb them it would have made a bit (not much) more sense but whatever. It was a great show to watch as a kid.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
IMO the easiest solution would be to have Dr Gero wish he was the greatest scientist ever with the dragonballs so his creation of the super strong androids becomes more feasible.
I also think that having Android 17 become so much stronger for Super was moronic (at least GT tried to explain Super 17) and would have been better to have Bulma make upgrades to him or something.
You're right about the power levels being quantified, they also got too high too quickly in the Frieza saga in my opinion and it forced him into a corner having to constantly increase them for villains as well as rendering most of the roster completely worthless leading to an endless cavalcade of new Saiyan hybrids and boring fights with low technique variety.
One of the reasons that Dragonball > Z.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah that too, Radits has a power level of 700+, Vegeta has 22 or 24.000, can't remember exactly rn. Then by the end of the Freeza saga, him and Goku Super Sayan are already in the millions. That was quite the frick up. Android 17 getting so strong made no sense but it wasn't as bad as Krillin keeping up with Goku in base form or Master Roshi's power up. That show has the consistency of melted ice cream.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Master Roshi's power up
I like that one purely because the given reason is he went on nofap kek
Fricking GT was over before Dragon Ball got a foothold in the US. Sales of NES copies of dragon Power or the 10 episode attempted syndication of Dragon Ball did not influence Toriyama to do anything.
Zoomers have no concept of history, timelines or the ability to use google or read Wikipedia. They cant even comprehend that Dragonball was a Japanese cartoon brought over to the west well after its run ended.
exactly this goku fricks around to have fun and test himself, vegeta drags things out for pride and being a dick, gohan takes a long time to get upset enough to do anything but trunks was just cold and wanted the job done
exactly this goku fricks around to have fun and test himself, vegeta drags things out for pride and being a dick, gohan takes a long time to get upset enough to do anything but trunks was just cold and wanted the job done
morons, Frieza died early in Cell arc was because he's not the main villain anymore and just a jobber
Toriyama had to erase him off the story and focused on the main threat to humanity that is Cell
Oh, shut the frick up. This was made with 12 year olds in mind. I’m not saying that to “excuse” anything either, this was the coolest shit whenever you’re a kid. You sound like one of those homosexuals who chime in with something moronic like “Why didn’t they just talk about their feelings and problems instead of fighting?”
Cell is by far the coolest villain, but frieza was the best saga. Androids were just really a letdown >why don't we just go kill Gero now and stop all of this before it begins >he hasn't done anything wrong yet even though he will in about 3 years. Plus I wanna fight the androids :^)
All of it was just really uninspired and only got worse come Buu saga >when did the legendary super saiyan transformation become a child's plaything
When toriyama ran out of ideas
time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up
becomes super saiyan >>one-shots previous arc villain
that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died >>i'm also vegeta's son :^)
I was really glad when Goku went to train with the warriors in the after life who had been training for thousands of years, bc it finally made sense people were going to be stronger than him
Then he was stronger than all of them and it was like a two episode side story
Toriyama had one good idea: make the most powerful characters ever.
And it’s crazy how far that took him
Tbf he also writes hype really well.
Like tbh he might the GOAT at it.
Raining a storm of attacks down on your enemy, leaving them hidden in a dust cloud of debris, only for the cloud to dissipate and reveal them standing there, completely unphased, is the gold standard hype trope.
Maybe the best trope of all time tbqh
I hate writing and plot gays. Not every shows appeal is it’s writings. Yes, certain shows, shit like game of thrones, should be critiqued by their writing, because that’s the main appeal of the show. The main appeal of dragon ball is iconic characters, flashy fights, cool art style, and giant explosions. As long as it delivers on these things the writing does not need to be great.
Going off the rails was necessary at that point, and they did it exceptionally well. I can think of some other stories that hit a point where they had to reinvent things but did it badly.
it was insanely kino to my kid brain. That was the whole point, frieza and goku literally were planetary level homies and this shit comes up. IMAGINE THE DREAD.
Even Toriyama admitted this. Namek arc was like his magnum opus. He couldn't think of any way to top it. He'd have been happy to just stop right there, but his editors kept pushing him to do more, so he did. He struggled to think up something compelling, but then he saw Terminator 2 was coming out and he really liked The Terminator. He made a storyline aping it, which wasn't received well by his old editor because he didn't like the original two villains Toriyama made, 19 and 20. So Toriyama swapped the first two out for the second duo, 17 & 18, but still his editor didn't like them, so instead Toriyama made Cell. He also wrote the story one chapter at a time and at the last minute, so it is a clusterfrick
Buu saga is liked the cobbled together nonsense of the Android saga, cranked up x50. It was so moronic with mismatched tones and ideas that Toriyama couldn't take it anymore and said he's going to stop, so he did. And he never re-read Dragon Ball after it was finished, only picking it up again decades later so he could refresh his memory before making The Battle of Gods
>Oh, uh, I guess Goku is an alien now. Here's his brother that will be mentioned a grand total of two times after he's dead >Uh...Oh, also, Piccolo is an alien too, so him dying means there are still Dragon Balls out there >By the way, a random scientist from the Red Ribbon Army that was never mentioned literally once has made Androids that could b***h slap the previous strongest being in the universe into submission without breaking a sweat >Shit, the editor thinks these villains such! Um...oh, some bug alien is also from the future or something, I dunno. >Er...uh...some alien that looks like a ballsack landed on Earth carrying a primordial being that's way stronger than Cell, how convenient for the story!
>I guess Goku is an alien now
Goku being an alien makes sense since he has a tail and can transform into a giant ape. Toriyama probably had that idea from the start
>Piccolo is an alien too
This is completely fine as there are no other creatures like Kami/Piccolo on Earth and allowed the series to venture into space
>a random scientist from the Red Ribbon Army...
This was dumb, Cell arc was a mess at the beginning but was solid once Cell became the antagonist
>some alien that looks like a ballsack landed on Earth
This was fine but the Buu Arc turned into a mess. Everything was great up until Buu revives after Vegeta sacrifices himself
>Goku is the strongest person on earth >okay cool >alien arrives >okay cool >stronger aliens arrive >okay cool >aliens have a big bad boss >okay cool >mad scientist uses advanced robotics and different DNA to create the ultimate fighters >okay cool >UUUHHH THERE'S A MAGIC GUY THAT WAS ON EARTH THE WHOLE TIME AND HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THE REST OF THE TIME BECAUSE UUUHHH REASONS
Buu saga was the worst and it's not even close.
>This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
No, that would be the Saiyan saga. Everything about Z was off the fricking rails compared to Dragon Ball before it.
I wonder if Toei stopped in to ask Toriyama what the frick is going on in that panel so they can animate it correctly, or if they just winged it themselves
It's part of the move. Think when Goku uses Instant Transmission. Why does he have to tap his forehead with his fingers? When summoning the Spirit Bomb, why do you have to stand with your arms in the air? It's part of the move.
I also thought it was cool in the DBZ games he did those moves when you did Burning Slash. I should play those games again...
This. Trunks vs Frieza in real time speed not DBZ fight speed dilation was about 4 seconds.
Vs the ~2mins in the show
Burning Attack in the show took about 14sec give or take a few dozen milliseconds. In the "real time" clip from Super Hero you don't even see his hand motions, just fires it off in about half a second. Dude should have been flinging flaming sonic booms with each motion of the "charge up".
Ki is physical but invisible and very amorphous, like heavy gas. When some one uses a Ki attack it becomes more and more dense until it turns into a kind of plasma, best seen when Goku is charging up the Spirit Bomb which is actually just a kind of Ki gravity well that draws in Ki and condenses it.
Trunks is grabbing extra Ki out of the air to power his blast.
Same reason Kamehameha charges at your waist and you push it forward, or why Vegetas Galik Gun has him do the werid hand positioning where one of his hands is all backwards.
It looks cool and because Ki blasts are actual physical objects with actual weight, not just plasma blasts like some people think.
Channeling Ki. It's why they yell while charging up. Ki is all about breathing and controlling your Ki flow. Breathe in the positive ki, exhale the negative ki.
Positive ki = healing/restorative
Negative ki = destructive
Pretty sure the entire point of Future Trunks' character is his loss of any sense of honor or morality after his witnessing his timeline and everybody he knew and loved get brutally fricking murdered.
Any other theories as to why this schlock is written the way it is, other than convenience? And money, of course.
>morale
Fricking moron. And you're not the first I've seen confuse morale with moral and vice versa. I fricking hate you dumbasses. Go apologize to your English teacher.
Wouldn't have changed anything in his timeline. Time travelling in Dragon Ball is like moving between dimensions in different times. He went back to either get Goku to his time or at least learn enough to get rid of 17&18 in his own time.
>Kills baby Gero >He never builds androids for Red Ribbon Army >RR Army ceases to exist >Goku never loses to Tao Paipai or goes train with Master Karin to get stronger >Probably is killed by Tenchinhan or Piccolo Daimao >Radizt kills Bulma and everyone on earth >Vegeta never cream pies on her >Trunks is never born
>"Android saga" >literally just 19 and 20 jobbing for 5 episodes before 17 and 18 kick everyone's ass for 2 episodes then we just completely move on to the greater thread starting the cell saga
What a fricking shitshow of a "saga" what the FRICK were they thinking? 17 and 18 are BARELY given time to be a thread before Cell comes along and no one gives a shit about the oh so scary 17-20 androids
>comes from a timeline where everyone is dead >somehow this also means they lost contact with the Namekians >somehow the dead cant contact or guide them from Kaiosama's world like they casually do in the main timeline
It quite literally is because for some reason nobody wanted to go after the dragon balls. Hell that's how you beat the androids just use the dragon to make them human and beat the frick out of them.
Well... They could have at least explained why going to Namek to use their Dragon Balls was out of the question. Those could have revived at least Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan, maybe Goku too.
Not Goku if he dies from the virus. That would count as natural casue.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I looked up the db wiki: "Like Shenron, he cannot revive someone who has died of a natural cause (such as succumbing to illness) but is also limited to reviving only one person per wish whereas Shenron can revive an infinite number of people at a time. It is unknown Porunga has a time-limit for how long a person can be revived after dying the same way Shenron does, who can only bring back people who died within a year's time. (It's worth noting that, after the Frieza Saga, Porunga's rules were later modified so that he was capable of reviving masses of people just like Shenron could.)" This settles it, they can't revive Goku, they could maybe revive Vegeta, they could definetly revive Piccolo and Gohan. All they need to do is leave for Namek in a spaceship just like Goku's during the Frieza saga, revive Piccolo/Kami and Gohan, bring them to Namek and have them and Trunks train in the ship for as long as they need before going back to Earth. Maybe Piccolo could fuse with some other Namek while he's there. Once on Earth they kill the androids and Kami makes new drsgon balls.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The "natural death" thing is a funny point I didn't think about because Gero giving Goku a natural disease to take him out is probably one of the only conceivable ways to beat him. It's amazing that Gero had that much foresight to block Goku's rez.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That wasn't Gero, it was just a virus that had a cure in Future Trunk's timeline. If he caused it he probably would've used it in his plans when he and 19 attacked, instead he was caught by surprise by Goku being unable to sustain fighting.
Some people think it came from Yardrat but that's not confirmed
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wait what? I thought that was explicitly part of his plan. Give Goku a virus so you take him out permanently. That's whack, oh well.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry your headcanon got shattered today.
Super's animation is ugly as sin. That being said, blue hair Trunks is superior.
Go frick yourself Toytardo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
eh it's not that big a deal. It's just weird that they had an explanation lying right there, but didn't use it. And he contracts it after meeting the androids.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah bro, the "virus" is basically just Goku having a heart attack, and there not being a treatment or understanding on how to help it in the original timeline.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Him just having a heart attack because he spent his life eating 15 pounds of bacon at every meal was one of the better jokes in dbz abridged
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dbz abridged
that got way to up its own ass and kept trying to 'fix' problems in the anime, never got around to the cell saga shit in it.
Well... They could have at least explained why going to Namek to use their Dragon Balls was out of the question. Those could have revived at least Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan, maybe Goku too.
The Namekian Dragon Balls can revive multiple people but >Vegeta never did anything heroic or self-sacrificing, likely got sent to hell like Bulma said >Goku died a natural death, even the Namekian Dragon Balls can't help that >humans are all too underpowered
Piccolo and Gohan could've stood a chance, but then the issue is getting to New Namek or fuel for a rocket to it. And even then, theAndroids seeing a ship take off Earth would probably nuke it before it left orbit.
And as stupid as it sounds, King Kai doesn't really keep in contact with Earth without Goku. Because as bad as the androids are for Earth, a superpowered badguy causing chaos on a planet is super common in the universe. The Kais only care when it's a threat that wipes out the universe itself.
Come on, King Kai was scared shitless because of Frieza, now he has 2 beings stronger than him pop up, Goku dies shortly after and he won't check up on them?
They can launch the ship when the Androids are on the other side of the Earth, the frick are they going to do about it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
King Kai was personally concerned about Frieza getting the Dragon Balls because that elevated him to a universe level threat. The Kais were fine with Frieza terrorizing planets for 20 years or more.
And keep in mind Pan could reach halfway across the world as a 3 year old. Even exiting Earth orbit-Roshi could blow up the moon in Dragon Ball. The androids targeting a ship trying to get off world would be easy.
Here's the actual easy solution- get Baba to resurrect Goku for a day. The others if you can, too, but Goku very likely reached at least full power Super Saiyan in otherworld given his training- and that's being modest. Future Trunk's time is like 10 years after the Buu Saga, Goku might've even reached SS3 with his training. He'd be able to take out the androids in seconds. The caveat of this would be that Goku's energy would draw Babidi to earth.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dude it's not about their power, if they're at the other side of the world how are they even going to know a ship is leaving the planet? Bulma just has to keep a satellite on them and launch the ship when they're busy killing people thousands of km away, maybe even cause a distraction at the same time. Your point about Baba, there must be some in universe explanation to why she didn't do this. Obviously Toriyama either forgot or ignored it, but DB has always been inconsistent about who gets to keep their bodies in the afterlife. Goku only got to do so in the Sayan saga because he was granted permission to train for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta, and after the Cell saga because he sacrificed himself trying to save the Earth, this is stated in the manga. So if the manga goes out of the way to clarify this it means it is a special circumstance not granted lightly. Goku dying of natural causes wouldn't meet this requirement. Piccolo and Gohan most likely did keep their bodies but maybe didn't grow strong enough to defeat the androids before Trunks did, maybe Gohan didn't even care about training anymore, he is not Goku.
You idiot, Kami Sama was dead, once he dies the Dragon Balls turn into mere rocks.
And no one had any method of contacting the New Namekians or King Kai. And even if they did Goku's natural death keeps him from being revived and Vegeta's likely reincarnated if not in hell for never repenting in that timeline. No one else stood a chance except maybe Piccolo.
You don't need to contact the Namekians, just send Trunks and Bulma there. What can the androids do about it? They coukd revive everyone on Earth with one wish and have 2 left.
Maybe Vegeta would have been spared since at the end of the day he died trying to protect Earth from being destroyed, even if he did that by proxy. I don't remember if the Namekian dragon balls have the same rule about not being able to revive someone who died of natural causes, since they're stronger they have less limitations.
Lavender-haired DBZ Trunks >Merked Frieza >Marked Frieza's dad >Aborted baby Cell, >Merked The Androids >Merked Semi-Perfect Cell >Banged his alternate dimension mom in her prime
Blue-haired super homosexual Trunks >Got his universe deleted, along with everyone he loves >Only compensation was used up chink pussy 50 years older than him
Super Trunks held his own in a 1v2 against two gods. He later ascended into a new form and destroyed the body of those two gods fused together, who had previously beaten Goku and Vegita fused together. All this without any special training from gods of destruction, just his own will and determination.
>Super Sayan Blue Goku and Vegeta struggle against an immortal GOD >but basic level Super Sayan Trunks managed to defeat him
Super is so random. Also the "spirit bomb sword" was never explained.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He wasn't a basic Super Saiyan.
>The transformation seems to combine several traits of other Super Saiyan forms all together. The hair of the user grows more and becomes much spikier, like a combination of Super Saiyan Third Grade and Super Saiyan 2. When first achieved, the user also loses their irises with their eyes becoming completely white, however when the user masters the power they gain lighter green irises. The users' muscle mass also briefly increases immensely before shrinking back to normal, giving a sharp power increase without losing speed.
>Finally, the user's ki gains a dual aura: the outer being the golden aura of a normal Super Saiyan while the inner has a similar aura to that of Super Saiyan Blue—overall bearing a resemblance to the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan transformations. After absorbing the power made by the Earthlings, the user's aura turns completely blue like Super Saiyan Blue.
Trunks is a paladin, that's why. Paladins are always the best of the best. He achieved his new form not from rage or a desire to defeat. It was justice. A sense of justice so strong that it transforms him into its physical avatar.
It just bugs me that we got characters like evil goku clone no 545689348 and yet not even a cameo of future gohan chillin in the afterlife or something.
The meta explanation is that he's a tragic character so he should stay that way and never be seen again. The in universe explanation is that he was free from having to protect the Earth so he spent ever moment he could pounding Piccolo's green, hairless bussy.
No one hates Dragonball more than Dragonball fans >NOO why is the main character getting all the focus? >NOOO how come the irrelevant human characters dont get more screen time?! >NOOO Dragonball should have ended with king Piccolo!! >NOO it should have ended with Frieza! >NOOO it should have ended with Cell!!! >NOOO GT sucks! >NOO Super sucks!! >NOOO why isn't Gohan the main character??? >NOOO why can’t Vegeta save the day??!
And yet you all still watch.
Have you played the fanmade rom hacks? I have tried a bunch of them, going from Tenkaichi 4 (made years ago and updated regularly) to nonsense comedic ones like cartoon wars.
No son, when cancer has stolen everything from you, the only thing they have left to give, is that which cannot be taken. (Spirit bombs the frick out of cancer)
You're Future Trunks and just returned to your timeline and kicked the androids' asses. Do you do a little hands on inspection of 18's body? You know, just to make sure she's really dead.
Bulma was hitting on him when she saw him the first time, he should have fricked her hard for a week, frick off to the future timeline and never come back.
I think Trunks blasted 18 so hard that everything was evaporated except for a single 1 of her boots leftover, likely with her foot still inside [spoiling]imagine the smell
I haven't read/watched DBZ and I'm currently reading Dragonball (just finished the bit where Goku defeats red ribbon guys with that Frankenstein guy)
Am I in for a good time? Will I appreciate it more or less as an adult? Never watched it properly as a kid but it still had a massive impact on me (had the toys, printed out pictures etc)
There's a ton of nostalgia influence with this series ,probably moreso more so than any other shonen series, but Toriyama was a legitimately great manga artist (especially for a weekly series) I think it stays good til the end but there is a dropoff in the quality of some things nearing the final stretch of the series
He was clearely burnt out by the time the Buu saga was drawn. It's not a perfect work of art, there is no such thing. Despite that he managed to make the lives of millions of kids around the world a bit more happy, a bit more filled with excitement and a sense of adventure and wonder. For all his flaws, I for one can't do anything else but be thankfull for all the good memories his work has brought me over a few decades. Only a genious is able to do something of that magnitude.
I think more than anything it seemed like he was getting tired of drawing fights and was possibly also having trouble trying to make the fights interesting when the power scaling had skyrocketed so high. Namek and Goku vs Frieza was like the dying breath of the humble martial arts manga, but this isn't to say that all the fights past Namek are bad or anything, I enjoy a bunch of them
I think he also got fed up with his editor after the Cell saga, that's why he kind of went back to his roots and filled the Buu saga with comedic scenes and concepts while still doing a fighting manga.
Toriyama has my all time favorite mechanical device designs. They're just so fricking good. I imagine in a different life he became one of the greatest engineers ever.
I'm re-reading it now. It's okay but the pacing is absolutely fricked and every arc just devolves into side characters jobbing while they wait for Goku to arrive after he gets a new bullshit instant powerup. Nostalgia
I'll do ya one better than manga. My magnum opus of shitposting.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/104960115/#104960115
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/105279636/#105279636
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/105284371/#105284371
looks like archive jannies deleted Hero in the Shadows
HEY FRIEZA
HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >cuts frieza into a dozen pieces then blasts him to oblivion
THIS IS FOR GOHAN >blasts the androids before they even knew what hit them
THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER CELL!
DIEEEEEEEEEEEE >eradicates him in a single blast
Trunks was MVP of the franchise. He doesn't fight for fun, he fights to survive and goes for the kill immediately.
Reminder that future gohan spent 10+ years jobbing to the same two (weaker version) androids before dying like a b***h. All this despite being the special wonder boy since day 1 of DBZ. Face it, deep down your hero has the mind and determination of a little girl. He is utterly helpless without encouragement from daddy. Pic unrelated - an actual self made badass.
>self made
Trunks also got BTFO until he got to train with his father in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Gohan didn't have anyone else to learn from or train with, he was alone. He was also handicapped by having to protect others.
Vegeta refused to train him or so much as with him in the time chamber. Not going to acknowledge the second part of your post because it sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.
>moron amerifats writing Freeza incorrectly because of their fricked up translated dub with garbage music playing 100% of the time and QUIPS ADDED RANDOMLY
Because he's not a b***h like normal timeline Gohan. He may be physically weaker, but he wasn't able to get complacent by times of peace, so he is a battle hardened character who has seen some shit. He's the version of the character people wanted main timeline Gohan to grow up to be.
I wish Trunks spent some more time on #18, going maximum Spopovich on her, until she became submissive to him and begged for her life. It would be wildly out of character for Trunks to do that, but I like the idea of #18 being roughly manhandled by Trunks until she started to learn that he was the big dog on the block now and had to do whatever he asked, which would have been helping Trunks rebuild the world
How fricked is Daima now that Toriyama is gone? I wonder if the head suits are disappointed, since they probably didn't want to do it at all and only did it for Toriyama's sake. Now he's dead and they're stuck with it
Why the frick would you want that? I’d rather have a good show in that shitty style than have such a garbage piece of shit like “Super” get great animation.
the worst thing about Super is the flat art style and the awful char design. Almost all the characters look like shit (no muscle, big head etc...).
Fixing that would improve the show a lot.
No the worst thing about super is the writing. I cannot stand watching Goku and Vegeta who are the two wisest and deadliest warriors in fiction act like moronic jackasses that need training.
0/10, super makes me want to fricking puke and punch anyone in the balls who likes it
>No the worst thing about super is the writing.
lmao.
I don't even remember the story. if I think about DBS I just think about picrelated
I don't even know how you can concentrate on the story when the image looks like this. All I can think is who the frick thought "yeah that looks nice, lets use that"
I don’t know what makes you think I’m defending the “animation” I’m just saying I’m not a graphicsgay. I could stomach Super looking like shit if the writing was on par with the actual series. It’s just fricking garbage top to bottom. I don’t wanna watch Vegeta cowtow to Beerus and be a sissy in awesome classic style. I would wipe my ass with Super just as fast if it suddenly had good animation.
technically it's feasible now but the models capable of it are being auctioned off to Hollywood, anything to keep the goyim from being able to circumvent their system and make their own kino
>Arc goes from Android 19 beating up Goku to Cell being foreshadowed in 15 chapters
Imagine being Goku and finding out the Main villian got swapped out twice while you were knocked out
>spend entire arc building up the legendary super saiyan that only appears once every thousand years
Next arc:
>teenage time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up
>casually becomes super saiyan
>one-shots previous arc villain
>explains that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died
>i'm also vegeta's son :^)
This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
Yeah but he was over with bowl cut suburban skaters like myself. Toriyama built up two future stars only to bury them for the old washed up guys in buu saga
total xoomer death
>**legendary** shitper saiyans get power-check'd by cute robot
this was kind of based
Krillin is so lucky.
YABBA DABBA DUOOOOOOHHHH
post them
JEEPERS CREEPER and my GRANDMA'S KNICKERS, you're telling that while I was fighting for my LIFE, my soon to be wife was getting BRED by some WEIRD human/alien/namekian MUTANT, popped out disgusting babies and my best friend's son MURDERED in cold blood the monster's kids that I would have gladly raised as my OWN ???? And you're telling my that Cell's tentacle DICKS forever changed my WIFE's DNA which means that Marron is not even my OWN which means that every single Z Fighter technically IMPREGNATED my wife at the same TIME even Piccolo the DICKLESS slug ??? ZOWEE MAMA and dare I say it YABA DABA DOOOOOOOO
More. Or is there an archive to read them?
Just search yabba dabba on the Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile archive
This scene is really memorable for some reason. I guess because 17 and 18 were just being introduced.
Is that scene from the show or the future trunks movie?
Every moment with C18 is memorable.
imagine being vegeta
Stomping out his other arm is almost hotter than when she broke the first one
>bejita bros...
but seriously, the homie just cant catch a break, despite all the talk of being "second main char"
*muffled raughter in the distance*
*still raughing while being allready on a snake road
ngl, thats actually hillarious.
Because its one of the few times we get to see a Dragon Ball villain that isn't just a moustache twirling cliche spending their time between fighting either standing around talking about how evil they are or literally just standing there waiting for the heroes to show up.
Plus it shows that 18 isn't an out and out psychopath and can be reasoned with using the right motivations, setting up that she actually can be redeemed, instead of the standard unforeshadowed DBZ villain redemption of changing irredeemably evil murderers into noble Z fighters because Goku buck broke them.
Are robowaifus better than real women? This is a ongoing debate on /misc/
that one definitely is
>previous arc villain is a genetic freak super being with a galactic empire under his control that can casually destroy planets and is only defeated by a prophesied legendary super warrior
>UMMMMM ACKSHUALLY, THESE SECRET ROBOTS BUILT BY THIS OLD GUY ON EARTH ARE LIKE 100x FRIEZA'S POWER LEVEL AND DUNK ON EVERYBODY LMAO
Toriyama was a hack
>NOOOO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY GAG MANGA ISNT TAKING ITSELF SERIOUSLY?
>gag manga
have a nice day, poser
Seethe weebshit
Filtered midwit detected.
The Doctor's bug spy spaw Trunks and Frieza fighting for 5 seconds and figured out how to make the androids stronger in this timeline
yeah, I also never found believable that a scientist on earth was able to make more advanced technology than an alien empire literally conquering planets left and right
Dr Briefs and Bulma. Dr Wheelo. Dr Gero. Dr Slump.
Dragon Ball's universe has plenty of super scientists that could easily create the tech needed to conquer the galaxy. Vegeta got checked by Arale of all people.
The Androids are slasher villains in a manga. I guess God Mode Piccolo giving them moral clarity allowed 17+18 to see that Cell was the world ending evil.
>spend entire arc building up the legendary super saiyan that only appears once every thousand years
Next arc:
>teenage time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up
>casually becomes super saiyan
>one-shots previous arc villain
>explains that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died
>i'm also vegeta's son :^)
Yeah, it's was pure kino.
that's what happens when you're forced to continue the series after its climax because Americans just discover it.
literally this but im grateful because i liked it slop and all including the buu saga
>forced
-san, when is the next arc releasing?
>>It's not, the story is finished
>>
What the frick did they do, sic the Yakuza on this homie? He's just became a lazy attention prostitute. Even the Frieza saga is stupid in its own right.
>Jarvis, reverse engineer interstellar travel offscreen so we can find midget piccolo and use the even biggerer and betterer dargon balls to avoid all consequences and remove all potential tension once and for all while still continuing to involve ourselves in world-ending plotlines instead of just fun adventure sagas
Frick Dragon Ball Z, shit's a joke. Raditz was cool though.
he eventually did end up quitting but having your editor in your ear, talking big money to you can be tempting.
What is exactly is wrong with anything you wrote? Is it because zoomer shonen isn't brave enough to have anything fun like that? Every time DBZ gets criticized I know it's some pretentious moron, nu-shonengays spend all their time trying to tear a series apart looking for "asspulls", allowing this to warp their standards into something atrocious.
Because dragon balls that can bring the dead back to life infinite times while also being created by a peoples who aren't even on the same planet that the main characters are on so they are never in danger when the main characters are completely removes all tension from the story especially when dealing with a race that gets infinitely more powerful when they get beaten almost to death.
>OH NO GOKU GOT KILLED BY CELL!
>they use the dragon balls to bring him back more powerful than before
>CELL BLEW UP THE PLANET!
>if even one of the mother frickers survives they can go to new namek and bring everyone back to life
>if even one of the mother frickers survives they can go to new namek and bring everyone back to life
They wouldn't be able to survive the explosion as it vaporized Goku and even if by some miracle they did, they would die in space. You don't even watch the show moron.
>they would die in space
Bulma would just survive in a space ship and wish everyone back. Checkmate.
none of this is true Toriyama kept it going because he wanted to. Stop being homosexual Redditors and stop spreading this bullshit.
What started the 'Dragonball was supposed to end at Frieza" meme?
That one isn't as bad as the "DUHH JAPAN HATED GOHAN SO TORIYAMA BROUGHT BACK GOKU!" meme. Gohan gays are the worst.
Dragon Ball Z was clearly Gohan's story though. Goku is barely in Z.
It was a ensamble story. For example, Vegeta and krillin carried the Namek arc before Goku arrives.
>it’s clearly Gohan’s because the Cell saga is about Gohan losing his shit over a robot he just met… and some filler where he gets lost in the woods in the beginning
the only time DBZ wasn't about Gohan was during Namek and at the tail-end of Buu.
DBZ was an ensemble cast with Goku and later Vegeta acting as protagonist and deuteragonist respectfully. Gohan was the tritagonist in Z. With the rest of the cast alternating in and out of tetartagonist role. Usually Piccolo or Krillin.
I first heard people parroting this bullshit on /b/ when I first came here. So I'm gonna say Cinemaphile/b/ ~2004-~2005
Reddit, unironically. You can tell because the people who spout it are usually speaking in some reddit-tier psychobabble or incomprehensible Spanish dialect from the third world.
It kind of makes sense from a writing standpoint, the Super Sayan was so hyped up that once Goku transforms and beats the emperor of the universe, there is not much else left to expand on. Having a scientist on Earth create 4 robots stronger than Freeza was dumb but it was fun.
I can say this tho, when he went into the Cell saga his editor kept giving him shit. Toriyama came un with 19 and 20, editor guy whas like an old guy and some fat moron are not good villains, design something else. He came up with 16, 17 and 18, the editor again told him, those are just some teenagers, you have to make something scary. When he finally came up with Cell, again, editor sama kept b***hing about his first form looking like a bug, the second one looking like a weird troony thing and settled at last for Perfect Cell. Maybe these two facts got mixed into Toriyama only made the Cell and Buu saga because his editor was pressuring him.
>Having a scientist on Earth create 4 robots stronger than Freeza was dumb but it was fun.
The problem could have been avoided if it showed them gaining strength, e.g. the energy absorption or had some other excuse as to why rather than just a little spy fly bot.
It was still moronic that gero made these kids he kidnapped and diddled into cyborgs so much stronger than himself.
It's not really good writing since you can tell he's obviously just cribbing terminator.
Yeah just like the Sayan saga was "inspired" on Superman's origin. He fricked himself over with the scouts and making powerlevels quantifiable numbers. If it weren't for that we couldn't really know the difference in strength between a normal human, Raditz, Vegeta and Freeza, making it stupid to have someone so much more powerful, like Cell, being built on Earth. Like you said, if instead of androids he made them robots and had them fly into the Sun and spend some time absorbing energy to power up, then having Cell absorb them it would have made a bit (not much) more sense but whatever. It was a great show to watch as a kid.
IMO the easiest solution would be to have Dr Gero wish he was the greatest scientist ever with the dragonballs so his creation of the super strong androids becomes more feasible.
I also think that having Android 17 become so much stronger for Super was moronic (at least GT tried to explain Super 17) and would have been better to have Bulma make upgrades to him or something.
You're right about the power levels being quantified, they also got too high too quickly in the Frieza saga in my opinion and it forced him into a corner having to constantly increase them for villains as well as rendering most of the roster completely worthless leading to an endless cavalcade of new Saiyan hybrids and boring fights with low technique variety.
One of the reasons that Dragonball > Z.
Yeah that too, Radits has a power level of 700+, Vegeta has 22 or 24.000, can't remember exactly rn. Then by the end of the Freeza saga, him and Goku Super Sayan are already in the millions. That was quite the frick up. Android 17 getting so strong made no sense but it wasn't as bad as Krillin keeping up with Goku in base form or Master Roshi's power up. That show has the consistency of melted ice cream.
>Master Roshi's power up
I like that one purely because the given reason is he went on nofap kek
And the editor was right
Fricking GT was over before Dragon Ball got a foothold in the US. Sales of NES copies of dragon Power or the 10 episode attempted syndication of Dragon Ball did not influence Toriyama to do anything.
Zoomers have no concept of history, timelines or the ability to use google or read Wikipedia. They cant even comprehend that Dragonball was a Japanese cartoon brought over to the west well after its run ended.
GT was done when DBZ got popular in the US you moron zoomer.
I definitely agree but goddamn it was the coolest shit ever when I was like 9
Trunks was more fun because he didn't frick around in his fights like the rest of them did.
exactly this goku fricks around to have fun and test himself, vegeta drags things out for pride and being a dick, gohan takes a long time to get upset enough to do anything but trunks was just cold and wanted the job done
>just cold and wanted the job done
😉
morons, Frieza died early in Cell arc was because he's not the main villain anymore and just a jobber
Toriyama had to erase him off the story and focused on the main threat to humanity that is Cell
Oh, shut the frick up. This was made with 12 year olds in mind. I’m not saying that to “excuse” anything either, this was the coolest shit whenever you’re a kid. You sound like one of those homosexuals who chime in with something moronic like “Why didn’t they just talk about their feelings and problems instead of fighting?”
It's still the coolest shit now. Trunks is still my favourite character.
Cell is by far the coolest villain, but frieza was the best saga. Androids were just really a letdown
>why don't we just go kill Gero now and stop all of this before it begins
>he hasn't done anything wrong yet even though he will in about 3 years. Plus I wanna fight the androids :^)
All of it was just really uninspired and only got worse come Buu saga
>when did the legendary super saiyan transformation become a child's plaything
When toriyama ran out of ideas
>This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
no that would be the Buu saga
no that would be the moment dbz premiered and dragon ball was not but a fond sun wukong inspired memory
time traveller with sword and jean jacket shows up
becomes super saiyan
>>one-shots previous arc villain
that he comes from edgy timeline where goku and everyone else died
>>i'm also vegeta's son :^)
and it was fricking awesome
I was really glad when Goku went to train with the warriors in the after life who had been training for thousands of years, bc it finally made sense people were going to be stronger than him
Then he was stronger than all of them and it was like a two episode side story
Toriyama had one good idea: make the most powerful characters ever.
And it’s crazy how far that took him
Tbf he also writes hype really well.
Like tbh he might the GOAT at it.
Raining a storm of attacks down on your enemy, leaving them hidden in a dust cloud of debris, only for the cloud to dissipate and reveal them standing there, completely unphased, is the gold standard hype trope.
Maybe the best trope of all time tbqh
I’m 100% certain that you are a Black person
What Mexicans really belive
You just had to be there. I had to borrow the vhs of this from a friend of a friend across the neighborhood.
I hate writing and plot gays. Not every shows appeal is it’s writings. Yes, certain shows, shit like game of thrones, should be critiqued by their writing, because that’s the main appeal of the show. The main appeal of dragon ball is iconic characters, flashy fights, cool art style, and giant explosions. As long as it delivers on these things the writing does not need to be great.
Going off the rails was necessary at that point, and they did it exceptionally well. I can think of some other stories that hit a point where they had to reinvent things but did it badly.
Nah, Namek was worse. Despite how nothing in it made sense the Cell saga was the peak of Dragon Ball Z.
Cell>Saiyan>>>>>>>>>
=Buu
he 'casually' became a super saiyan because gohan was his master you fool. it was kino
Yeah, but it was cool af
it was insanely kino to my kid brain. That was the whole point, frieza and goku literally were planetary level homies and this shit comes up. IMAGINE THE DREAD.
It was a great introduction to Trunks.
>This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails
Even Toriyama admitted this. Namek arc was like his magnum opus. He couldn't think of any way to top it. He'd have been happy to just stop right there, but his editors kept pushing him to do more, so he did. He struggled to think up something compelling, but then he saw Terminator 2 was coming out and he really liked The Terminator. He made a storyline aping it, which wasn't received well by his old editor because he didn't like the original two villains Toriyama made, 19 and 20. So Toriyama swapped the first two out for the second duo, 17 & 18, but still his editor didn't like them, so instead Toriyama made Cell. He also wrote the story one chapter at a time and at the last minute, so it is a clusterfrick
Buu saga is liked the cobbled together nonsense of the Android saga, cranked up x50. It was so moronic with mismatched tones and ideas that Toriyama couldn't take it anymore and said he's going to stop, so he did. And he never re-read Dragon Ball after it was finished, only picking it up again decades later so he could refresh his memory before making The Battle of Gods
Why are whites so autistic?
>You're about to face a REAL super Saiyan, and I'm not talking about Goku...
>That shit eating grin
KINO
For the better
>off the rails
No. Dragonball just knew how to be cool which ~~*modern media*~~ forgot how to do long ago.
Dragon Ball isn't meant to have a good story, it's just about cool fights and gags.
That’s because you’re a moronic midwit.
>Oh, uh, I guess Goku is an alien now. Here's his brother that will be mentioned a grand total of two times after he's dead
>Uh...Oh, also, Piccolo is an alien too, so him dying means there are still Dragon Balls out there
>By the way, a random scientist from the Red Ribbon Army that was never mentioned literally once has made Androids that could b***h slap the previous strongest being in the universe into submission without breaking a sweat
>Shit, the editor thinks these villains such! Um...oh, some bug alien is also from the future or something, I dunno.
>Er...uh...some alien that looks like a ballsack landed on Earth carrying a primordial being that's way stronger than Cell, how convenient for the story!
Didn’t read. Midwit.
>I guess Goku is an alien now
Goku being an alien makes sense since he has a tail and can transform into a giant ape. Toriyama probably had that idea from the start
>Piccolo is an alien too
This is completely fine as there are no other creatures like Kami/Piccolo on Earth and allowed the series to venture into space
>a random scientist from the Red Ribbon Army...
This was dumb, Cell arc was a mess at the beginning but was solid once Cell became the antagonist
>some alien that looks like a ballsack landed on Earth
This was fine but the Buu Arc turned into a mess. Everything was great up until Buu revives after Vegeta sacrifices himself
Goku was based off of Sun Wukong, which is why he had monkey properties. And Kami/Piccolo were explicitly demons at first before the alien retcon.
DBZ > Dragonball
No one has ever disagreed with that statement
>Goku is the strongest person on earth
>okay cool
>alien arrives
>okay cool
>stronger aliens arrive
>okay cool
>aliens have a big bad boss
>okay cool
>mad scientist uses advanced robotics and different DNA to create the ultimate fighters
>okay cool
>UUUHHH THERE'S A MAGIC GUY THAT WAS ON EARTH THE WHOLE TIME AND HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THE REST OF THE TIME BECAUSE UUUHHH REASONS
Buu saga was the worst and it's not even close.
When did they say Babidi was always on earth?
>This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
It wasn't the monkey kid tanking a full mag from an SMG no problem?
The amount of hispanics this post triggered is hilarious.
>This is where Dragon Ball went off the rails.
No, that would be the Saiyan saga. Everything about Z was off the fricking rails compared to Dragon Ball before it.
>describes the coolest thing ever
>"Errrrmmmmm ackchyually, this sucks"
HEY FRIDGE
As a kid, I never understood that thing he did with his hands before the attack. You know what I am talking about.
Special power moves, it's what helped him kill frieza so easily
Cause it was cool.
He's gathering extra kinetic energy from the air to make his kino blast even more powerful
Makes his attacks uncounterable
but it was something no Saiyan ever did. Whats the point of fancy hand moves if youre simply going to shoot a beam of energy?
He's from the future
Are you stupid? To do the Kamehameha you have to go through the hand motions.
I did this as a kid before jutsu's from nardo were cool
There was a fly getting up in his face, bothering him. Once he got it he could focus on shooting his ki beam.
I wonder if Toei stopped in to ask Toriyama what the frick is going on in that panel so they can animate it correctly, or if they just winged it themselves
Autism
Rule of cool
It was like Cell flexing his fingers before he fought goku
It was cool
he never had proper training because his master got killed by two androids so he's self taught
It's part of the move. Think when Goku uses Instant Transmission. Why does he have to tap his forehead with his fingers? When summoning the Spirit Bomb, why do you have to stand with your arms in the air? It's part of the move.
I also thought it was cool in the DBZ games he did those moves when you did Burning Slash. I should play those games again...
You have to realize that in real life he’s creating insane amounts of atmospheric friction
This. Trunks vs Frieza in real time speed not DBZ fight speed dilation was about 4 seconds.
Vs the ~2mins in the show
Burning Attack in the show took about 14sec give or take a few dozen milliseconds. In the "real time" clip from Super Hero you don't even see his hand motions, just fires it off in about half a second. Dude should have been flinging flaming sonic booms with each motion of the "charge up".
Sign language. He assumed Frieza was deaf because he had no ears.
If you had the power to cause explosions with just a thought, wouldn’t you snap your fingers as you make them just to be cool?
Ki is physical but invisible and very amorphous, like heavy gas. When some one uses a Ki attack it becomes more and more dense until it turns into a kind of plasma, best seen when Goku is charging up the Spirit Bomb which is actually just a kind of Ki gravity well that draws in Ki and condenses it.
Trunks is grabbing extra Ki out of the air to power his blast.
Pot meet kettle. You're here too.
Same reason Kamehameha charges at your waist and you push it forward, or why Vegetas Galik Gun has him do the werid hand positioning where one of his hands is all backwards.
It looks cool and because Ki blasts are actual physical objects with actual weight, not just plasma blasts like some people think.
Rock-paper-scissor but Frieza pussied out
Same reason that Super Buu cracks his knuckles/neck before fighting even though he has no bones :it’s cool as frick.
Channeling Ki. It's why they yell while charging up. Ki is all about breathing and controlling your Ki flow. Breathe in the positive ki, exhale the negative ki.
Positive ki = healing/restorative
Negative ki = destructive
How did Frieza get cut by a normal sword?
Washed up heel had to do one last job to put over the raising star
Trunks put his ki around the sword
Why didn't Trunks just kill Baby Gero?
Killing a baby is evil
Then kill his parents, frick it. Time travel is gay.
His parents did nothing wrong. The only morale thing is to stop gero after he's committed a crime, which is what they do.
Pretty sure the entire point of Future Trunks' character is his loss of any sense of honor or morality after his witnessing his timeline and everybody he knew and loved get brutally fricking murdered.
Any other theories as to why this schlock is written the way it is, other than convenience? And money, of course.
Nah he was a gud boi
>loss of any sense of honor or morality
>morale
Fricking moron. And you're not the first I've seen confuse morale with moral and vice versa. I fricking hate you dumbasses. Go apologize to your English teacher.
it's just a clump of cells , chud!
>killing baby is evil
EVILku chads our time is NOW.
Wouldn't have changed anything in his timeline. Time travelling in Dragon Ball is like moving between dimensions in different times. He went back to either get Goku to his time or at least learn enough to get rid of 17&18 in his own time.
Bulma: Why don't we use the Dragon Balls to have shenron tell us the location of Dr. Geros lab??
Goku/Vegeta: lol no way gay
>Kills baby Gero
>He never builds androids for Red Ribbon Army
>RR Army ceases to exist
>Goku never loses to Tao Paipai or goes train with Master Karin to get stronger
>Probably is killed by Tenchinhan or Piccolo Daimao
>Radizt kills Bulma and everyone on earth
>Vegeta never cream pies on her
>Trunks is never born
>"Android saga"
>literally just 19 and 20 jobbing for 5 episodes before 17 and 18 kick everyone's ass for 2 episodes then we just completely move on to the greater thread starting the cell saga
What a fricking shitshow of a "saga" what the FRICK were they thinking? 17 and 18 are BARELY given time to be a thread before Cell comes along and no one gives a shit about the oh so scary 17-20 androids
I feel like this happens with every saga
>Radditz/Nappa
>Ginyu Force
These characters had potential
GINYU FORCE RULES
GINYU FORCE RULES
GINYU FORCE RULES
GINYU FORCE RULES
nappa and the ginyu force had a decent amount of screentime. they were threatening.
Only Americans try to separate Android and Cell, it's all obviously the same arc.
I’m American and didn’t know people separated them. Like, nobody ever calls it “The Ginyu Saga”
The androids are absolute jobbers compared to cell. They should be lucky they even get their own saga name
They got written out of the story, like #19 and Dr.Gero. Even Gohan had to job in Buu saga and die on some cliff when he got written out too
>comes from a timeline where everyone is dead
>somehow this also means they lost contact with the Namekians
>somehow the dead cant contact or guide them from Kaiosama's world like they casually do in the main timeline
Future Gohan's death is literally the only meaningful on-screen death in the entirety of Dragon Ball.
It quite literally is because for some reason nobody wanted to go after the dragon balls. Hell that's how you beat the androids just use the dragon to make them human and beat the frick out of them.
You idiot, Kami Sama was dead, once he dies the Dragon Balls turn into mere rocks.
I also forgot the "one rez" rule so yeah they'd still be fricked nvm
Well... They could have at least explained why going to Namek to use their Dragon Balls was out of the question. Those could have revived at least Vegeta, Piccolo and Gohan, maybe Goku too.
Not Goku if he dies from the virus. That would count as natural casue.
I looked up the db wiki: "Like Shenron, he cannot revive someone who has died of a natural cause (such as succumbing to illness) but is also limited to reviving only one person per wish whereas Shenron can revive an infinite number of people at a time. It is unknown Porunga has a time-limit for how long a person can be revived after dying the same way Shenron does, who can only bring back people who died within a year's time. (It's worth noting that, after the Frieza Saga, Porunga's rules were later modified so that he was capable of reviving masses of people just like Shenron could.)" This settles it, they can't revive Goku, they could maybe revive Vegeta, they could definetly revive Piccolo and Gohan. All they need to do is leave for Namek in a spaceship just like Goku's during the Frieza saga, revive Piccolo/Kami and Gohan, bring them to Namek and have them and Trunks train in the ship for as long as they need before going back to Earth. Maybe Piccolo could fuse with some other Namek while he's there. Once on Earth they kill the androids and Kami makes new drsgon balls.
The "natural death" thing is a funny point I didn't think about because Gero giving Goku a natural disease to take him out is probably one of the only conceivable ways to beat him. It's amazing that Gero had that much foresight to block Goku's rez.
That wasn't Gero, it was just a virus that had a cure in Future Trunk's timeline. If he caused it he probably would've used it in his plans when he and 19 attacked, instead he was caught by surprise by Goku being unable to sustain fighting.
Some people think it came from Yardrat but that's not confirmed
Wait what? I thought that was explicitly part of his plan. Give Goku a virus so you take him out permanently. That's whack, oh well.
I'm sorry your headcanon got shattered today.
Go frick yourself Toytardo
eh it's not that big a deal. It's just weird that they had an explanation lying right there, but didn't use it. And he contracts it after meeting the androids.
Nah bro, the "virus" is basically just Goku having a heart attack, and there not being a treatment or understanding on how to help it in the original timeline.
Him just having a heart attack because he spent his life eating 15 pounds of bacon at every meal was one of the better jokes in dbz abridged
>dbz abridged
that got way to up its own ass and kept trying to 'fix' problems in the anime, never got around to the cell saga shit in it.
The Namekian Dragon Balls can revive multiple people but
>Vegeta never did anything heroic or self-sacrificing, likely got sent to hell like Bulma said
>Goku died a natural death, even the Namekian Dragon Balls can't help that
>humans are all too underpowered
Piccolo and Gohan could've stood a chance, but then the issue is getting to New Namek or fuel for a rocket to it. And even then, theAndroids seeing a ship take off Earth would probably nuke it before it left orbit.
And as stupid as it sounds, King Kai doesn't really keep in contact with Earth without Goku. Because as bad as the androids are for Earth, a superpowered badguy causing chaos on a planet is super common in the universe. The Kais only care when it's a threat that wipes out the universe itself.
Come on, King Kai was scared shitless because of Frieza, now he has 2 beings stronger than him pop up, Goku dies shortly after and he won't check up on them?
They can launch the ship when the Androids are on the other side of the Earth, the frick are they going to do about it?
King Kai was personally concerned about Frieza getting the Dragon Balls because that elevated him to a universe level threat. The Kais were fine with Frieza terrorizing planets for 20 years or more.
And keep in mind Pan could reach halfway across the world as a 3 year old. Even exiting Earth orbit-Roshi could blow up the moon in Dragon Ball. The androids targeting a ship trying to get off world would be easy.
Here's the actual easy solution- get Baba to resurrect Goku for a day. The others if you can, too, but Goku very likely reached at least full power Super Saiyan in otherworld given his training- and that's being modest. Future Trunk's time is like 10 years after the Buu Saga, Goku might've even reached SS3 with his training. He'd be able to take out the androids in seconds. The caveat of this would be that Goku's energy would draw Babidi to earth.
Dude it's not about their power, if they're at the other side of the world how are they even going to know a ship is leaving the planet? Bulma just has to keep a satellite on them and launch the ship when they're busy killing people thousands of km away, maybe even cause a distraction at the same time. Your point about Baba, there must be some in universe explanation to why she didn't do this. Obviously Toriyama either forgot or ignored it, but DB has always been inconsistent about who gets to keep their bodies in the afterlife. Goku only got to do so in the Sayan saga because he was granted permission to train for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta, and after the Cell saga because he sacrificed himself trying to save the Earth, this is stated in the manga. So if the manga goes out of the way to clarify this it means it is a special circumstance not granted lightly. Goku dying of natural causes wouldn't meet this requirement. Piccolo and Gohan most likely did keep their bodies but maybe didn't grow strong enough to defeat the androids before Trunks did, maybe Gohan didn't even care about training anymore, he is not Goku.
And no one had any method of contacting the New Namekians or King Kai. And even if they did Goku's natural death keeps him from being revived and Vegeta's likely reincarnated if not in hell for never repenting in that timeline. No one else stood a chance except maybe Piccolo.
You don't need to contact the Namekians, just send Trunks and Bulma there. What can the androids do about it? They coukd revive everyone on Earth with one wish and have 2 left.
Maybe Vegeta would have been spared since at the end of the day he died trying to protect Earth from being destroyed, even if he did that by proxy. I don't remember if the Namekian dragon balls have the same rule about not being able to revive someone who died of natural causes, since they're stronger they have less limitations.
>androids
They already are human cyborgs. Android was used because Toriyama or his editor or someone thought it sounded cooler than Cyborg.
The special is legitimately the best part of dragon ball as an entire series.
Where did we go so wrong?
Jesus, thats actually a bit depressing.
Outsourcing to the Phillipines and anime becoming an international goyslop commodity.
So unbelievably soulless.
Super's animation is ugly as sin. That being said, blue hair Trunks is superior.
blue hair is for bawds.
Lavender-haired DBZ Trunks
>Merked Frieza
>Marked Frieza's dad
>Aborted baby Cell,
>Merked The Androids
>Merked Semi-Perfect Cell
>Banged his alternate dimension mom in her prime
Blue-haired super homosexual Trunks
>Got his universe deleted, along with everyone he loves
>Only compensation was used up chink pussy 50 years older than him
Super Trunks held his own in a 1v2 against two gods. He later ascended into a new form and destroyed the body of those two gods fused together, who had previously beaten Goku and Vegita fused together. All this without any special training from gods of destruction, just his own will and determination.
arc/movie?
Goku Black
>Super Sayan Blue Goku and Vegeta struggle against an immortal GOD
>but basic level Super Sayan Trunks managed to defeat him
Super is so random. Also the "spirit bomb sword" was never explained.
He wasn't a basic Super Saiyan.
>The transformation seems to combine several traits of other Super Saiyan forms all together. The hair of the user grows more and becomes much spikier, like a combination of Super Saiyan Third Grade and Super Saiyan 2. When first achieved, the user also loses their irises with their eyes becoming completely white, however when the user masters the power they gain lighter green irises. The users' muscle mass also briefly increases immensely before shrinking back to normal, giving a sharp power increase without losing speed.
>Finally, the user's ki gains a dual aura: the outer being the golden aura of a normal Super Saiyan while the inner has a similar aura to that of Super Saiyan Blue—overall bearing a resemblance to the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan transformations. After absorbing the power made by the Earthlings, the user's aura turns completely blue like Super Saiyan Blue.
Trunks is a paladin, that's why. Paladins are always the best of the best. He achieved his new form not from rage or a desire to defeat. It was justice. A sense of justice so strong that it transforms him into its physical avatar.
>be best gohan
>never have anything done with him ever again
Well, he died. On top of it he died so Trunks could become strong, bringing back Gohan wouldn't have made sense.
It just bugs me that we got characters like evil goku clone no 545689348 and yet not even a cameo of future gohan chillin in the afterlife or something.
The meta explanation is that he's a tragic character so he should stay that way and never be seen again. The in universe explanation is that he was free from having to protect the Earth so he spent ever moment he could pounding Piccolo's green, hairless bussy.
It would've made "sense" it just would've felt cheap.
>the hype thinking present gohan will end as cool as him
>toriyama forgets about his char development in Cell Saga
sigh
He went for the realistic approach of what a nagging woman can do to a man during his formative years.
>things aren't getting worse Chud you're just getting older!
true kino
holly frick the definition of "we got dragon ball at home"
You can just call me..Golden Corral Frieza
No one hates Dragonball more than Dragonball fans
>NOO why is the main character getting all the focus?
>NOOO how come the irrelevant human characters dont get more screen time?!
>NOOO Dragonball should have ended with king Piccolo!!
>NOO it should have ended with Frieza!
>NOOO it should have ended with Cell!!!
>NOOO GT sucks!
>NOO Super sucks!!
>NOOO why isn't Gohan the main character???
>NOOO why can’t Vegeta save the day??!
And yet you all still watch.
>dubgays
Absolutely disgusting
>wanting to listen to some 90 year old jap woman scream ATATATATATATA for 5 minutes straight
have a nice day you will never be a real jap
So? The dub is still shit.
nah
>OH N
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE MY MOTHER GAVE ME THAT SWORD
Is Tenkaichi 4 still happening? I’ve been replaying 3 a lot and it’s still a great game.
Have you played the fanmade rom hacks? I have tried a bunch of them, going from Tenkaichi 4 (made years ago and updated regularly) to nonsense comedic ones like cartoon wars.
Nah, I think I’ll try that out though. Cartoon Wars Sounds pretty fun
There are tens of different romhacks, have fun my dude.
It’s called Sparkling Zero. Looks like it’ll have the big rooster still but the gameplay released doesn’t seem that reminiscent of the ps2 games.
Wii versions were better.
There will never be another show like DB that unites everyone in their love for Goku.
I hate this life so much, sometimes, but then for one moment it's okay.
Why is his Genki Dama below his hands? it should be on top
Hope they're able to ring that bell tbh.. Fluff cancer man, awful. >-<
cancer boy no, keep your energy, you need it
No son, when cancer has stolen everything from you, the only thing they have left to give, is that which cannot be taken. (Spirit bombs the frick out of cancer)
;_;
frick
hope he beat it
Did anyone save that screencap of the anon pontificating about this image and how lucky we are
Cringe.
>t. No friends and/or dyel
Bruce Faulconer mogged the Japshit score.
he wrote two songs and took credit for the entire soundtrack
I know Japanese people have a different culture, but did he really have to call Frieza the n word?
You're Future Trunks and just returned to your timeline and kicked the androids' asses. Do you do a little hands on inspection of 18's body? You know, just to make sure she's really dead.
Bulma was hitting on him when she saw him the first time, he should have fricked her hard for a week, frick off to the future timeline and never come back.
I think Trunks blasted 18 so hard that everything was evaporated except for a single 1 of her boots leftover, likely with her foot still inside [spoiling]imagine the smell
Oh n-
I would remove what's leftover of her foot and give the shoe a quick sniff, maybe jerk off while sucking on the toes
Even as a kid I hated this scene. I generally disliked the idea that everyone can become a super saiyan.
For me it's Super Saiyan 5.
You ever make edgy dumb shit like this with the bing image generator? It’s a lot of fun
I haven't read/watched DBZ and I'm currently reading Dragonball (just finished the bit where Goku defeats red ribbon guys with that Frankenstein guy)
Am I in for a good time? Will I appreciate it more or less as an adult? Never watched it properly as a kid but it still had a massive impact on me (had the toys, printed out pictures etc)
There's a ton of nostalgia influence with this series ,probably moreso more so than any other shonen series, but Toriyama was a legitimately great manga artist (especially for a weekly series) I think it stays good til the end but there is a dropoff in the quality of some things nearing the final stretch of the series
He was clearely burnt out by the time the Buu saga was drawn. It's not a perfect work of art, there is no such thing. Despite that he managed to make the lives of millions of kids around the world a bit more happy, a bit more filled with excitement and a sense of adventure and wonder. For all his flaws, I for one can't do anything else but be thankfull for all the good memories his work has brought me over a few decades. Only a genious is able to do something of that magnitude.
I think more than anything it seemed like he was getting tired of drawing fights and was possibly also having trouble trying to make the fights interesting when the power scaling had skyrocketed so high. Namek and Goku vs Frieza was like the dying breath of the humble martial arts manga, but this isn't to say that all the fights past Namek are bad or anything, I enjoy a bunch of them
I think he also got fed up with his editor after the Cell saga, that's why he kind of went back to his roots and filled the Buu saga with comedic scenes and concepts while still doing a fighting manga.
Toriyama has my all time favorite mechanical device designs. They're just so fricking good. I imagine in a different life he became one of the greatest engineers ever.
mechanical sexo
>bejita could touch her tummy
He's so fricking lucky.
I'm re-reading it now. It's okay but the pacing is absolutely fricked and every arc just devolves into side characters jobbing while they wait for Goku to arrive after he gets a new bullshit instant powerup. Nostalgia
I'll do ya one better than manga. My magnum opus of shitposting.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/104960115/#104960115
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/105279636/#105279636
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/105284371/#105284371
looks like archive jannies deleted Hero in the Shadows
Is trunks the only super saiyan with different hair than the others
HEY FRIEZA
HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>cuts frieza into a dozen pieces then blasts him to oblivion
THIS IS FOR GOHAN
>blasts the androids before they even knew what hit them
THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER CELL!
DIEEEEEEEEEEEE
>eradicates him in a single blast
Trunks was MVP of the franchise. He doesn't fight for fun, he fights to survive and goes for the kill immediately.
Reminder that future gohan spent 10+ years jobbing to the same two (weaker version) androids before dying like a b***h. All this despite being the special wonder boy since day 1 of DBZ. Face it, deep down your hero has the mind and determination of a little girl. He is utterly helpless without encouragement from daddy. Pic unrelated - an actual self made badass.
>self made
Trunks also got BTFO until he got to train with his father in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Gohan didn't have anyone else to learn from or train with, he was alone. He was also handicapped by having to protect others.
Vegeta refused to train him or so much as with him in the time chamber. Not going to acknowledge the second part of your post because it sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.
>Tr-ACKs
He also saved Goku's life. The one area where Bejita got the definitive W is in the kids department.
>you should split!
>spend a couple of years beating powerlevel 3 poachers
>become as strong as blue hair Goku
how?
Shit writing, like all of super.
super is borderline kindergarten fanfic.
But 17 was pretty useful in that shitshow
>powered by generator with unlimited power
>"how he get moar powerr?"
Arc rankings
>1 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
>2 Namek Saga
>3 Piccolo Daimaoh
>4 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
>5 Saiyan Saga
>6 Red Ribbon Saga
>7 Baby Saga
>8 Android Saga
>9 21st Tenkaichi Budokai
>10 Pilaf Arc
>11 Super 17 Saga
>12 Omega Shelton
>13 Boo
>14 Cell
>15 Great Saiyaman
>>12 Omega Shelton
Ok that sounds like a Dr Manhattan from the Watchmen version of Blake Shelton from the Voice but it's meant to be Omega Shenron
>Shitlaf anywhere above rock bottom
>saiyan from earth can be stronger than frieza
>cyborg from earth can't because ???
Future Trunks is from the movie universe. That's how where he got his sword.
Holy frick. It all makes sense now!
moron
As for me? It's Kuriza
yabba
>moron amerifats writing Freeza incorrectly because of their fricked up translated dub with garbage music playing 100% of the time and QUIPS ADDED RANDOMLY
Why is he so popular? literally all he does is get his shit pushed in
People self insert as him because they aren’t manly enough to self insert as goku
>tfw self inserted as Future Trunks
>tfw had a neglectful father and love swords too
Because he's not a b***h like normal timeline Gohan. He may be physically weaker, but he wasn't able to get complacent by times of peace, so he is a battle hardened character who has seen some shit. He's the version of the character people wanted main timeline Gohan to grow up to be.
How will Toei manage without Toriyama to draw them new Dragon Ball designs? That's all they really bugged him for
They have Toyotaro, ready to plagiarize other people's designs off the internet.
Trunks going back to the future and BTFO'ing the androids is my favorite DBZ moment
I wish Trunks spent some more time on #18, going maximum Spopovich on her, until she became submissive to him and begged for her life. It would be wildly out of character for Trunks to do that, but I like the idea of #18 being roughly manhandled by Trunks until she started to learn that he was the big dog on the block now and had to do whatever he asked, which would have been helping Trunks rebuild the world
Sounds kino but Trunks just wanted to kill her.
So did bejita actually kiss chichi?
How fricked is Daima now that Toriyama is gone? I wonder if the head suits are disappointed, since they probably didn't want to do it at all and only did it for Toriyama's sake. Now he's dead and they're stuck with it
>gather the dragon balls
>aight watchu want?
>turn furiza into a cute girl
>AND she has to go on a date with me
how long before an AI can remake the whole Super show in the 90s style?
Why the frick would you want that? I’d rather have a good show in that shitty style than have such a garbage piece of shit like “Super” get great animation.
the worst thing about Super is the flat art style and the awful char design. Almost all the characters look like shit (no muscle, big head etc...).
Fixing that would improve the show a lot.
No the worst thing about super is the writing. I cannot stand watching Goku and Vegeta who are the two wisest and deadliest warriors in fiction act like moronic jackasses that need training.
0/10, super makes me want to fricking puke and punch anyone in the balls who likes it
>No the worst thing about super is the writing.
lmao.
I don't even remember the story. if I think about DBS I just think about picrelated
I don't even know how you can concentrate on the story when the image looks like this. All I can think is who the frick thought "yeah that looks nice, lets use that"
I don’t know what makes you think I’m defending the “animation” I’m just saying I’m not a graphicsgay. I could stomach Super looking like shit if the writing was on par with the actual series. It’s just fricking garbage top to bottom. I don’t wanna watch Vegeta cowtow to Beerus and be a sissy in awesome classic style. I would wipe my ass with Super just as fast if it suddenly had good animation.
technically it's feasible now but the models capable of it are being auctioned off to Hollywood, anything to keep the goyim from being able to circumvent their system and make their own kino
This, AI came and went. MAYBE you’ll be able to subscribe to some heavily regulated AI service someday but AI literally came and went.
FREEEZZZYYYY POOOOOOPPPPPP
WHAT ARE YOU, GAY?
>AHH TRIPSGETA! STILL HANGING OUT WITH BOYS IN SPANDEX I SEE?
I look like this and say this to my hot black friend IRL
>IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TEST YOUR STRENGTH, STAY RIGHT THERE! FINAL FLASH!
>OH SHI-
Cell arc was kino.
Early DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > ToP Super > GT > Rest of Super
>sword
>cropped jacket
>black tank top
>jeans
He had that shit on
>Arc goes from Android 19 beating up Goku to Cell being foreshadowed in 15 chapters
Imagine being Goku and finding out the Main villian got swapped out twice while you were knocked out
Still thought this was the most badass thing ever when I was like 8. I based my personality around Trumps