Hey, remember how Bruce Wayne didn't live in Wayne Manor or use the Batcave from late 1969 until March 1982, almost the entire Bronze Age?
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Hey, remember how Bruce Wayne didn't live in Wayne Manor or use the Batcave from late 1969 until March 1982, almost the entire Bronze Age?
That's false
It's true, read more comics.
Is that why him and Dick were living in a penthouse in the first issue of New Teen Titans?
Wayne Foundation. TDK movie even pays homage to this era.
Nolan has Harvey take a swipe at Bruce with “is Wayne manor even in the city limits” and by then he’d moved into the penthouse in the city. It was a sign that the writers (and thus now WB with the reverence they have toward Nolan still) believe Batman is disconnected and a bit of a slum diver if he’s leaving the security of the outskirts to go into a city and fight crime rather than protecting his surroundings.
Their selfcontempt for the rich makes them find himoffensvie
Can we talk about Dick constantly LARPing like everyman with his shitty one bedrooms in rundown pre-war apartment buildings and his constant blue-collar job hopping?
It does sort of make sense as a former circus traveler who was taken in by a rich guy for his formative years and wants to reconnect with a more normal experience. As well as a young adult who’s lashing out against that well-off surrogate father.
Three decades since he was that angsty frick? Yeah it’s a little old.
I remember at some point in the Dixon run he starts to reconnect with Bruce, who’s completely baffled that Dick somehow doesn’t realize he’s the heir to Wayne Enterprises and has a large trust fund.
Tbf they weren’t the first ones to change that. Bronze age bats moved to Wayne Tower because it was easier to fight crime if he lived in the center of the city
Wayne Tower
That's a big ass tree
Dick lived in Nashville?.
What did he use then? Manor? Mansion? or buldings?
At the top of Wayne Tower. They do the same thing in the Nolan trilogy and the new Matt Reeves movie. Not a fan of it but whatever I guess
If you're familiar with the Grant Morrison run it's the same penthouse Dick and Damian moved into for the Batman Reborn era.
Grant does references so we’ll because they’re not just fricking wiki scanned. When Jed McKay or Tom king or any of the new guys do a reference it’s always just so obviously gleaned from a wiki rather than a comic.
>Tom King
Going to call bullshit on that one. Saying he only reads wikis is easily disproven.
If you were here a decade ago you'd remember Cinemaphile combing through decades of backissues pulling the issue numbers for all the direct quotes King used to do Grayson #12.
Damian roasting Tim and him saying he and Dick were the best are his most iconic quotes to me.
Grant forgot the backstory of a character he expanded on/recreated
King and Ewing sure, McKay no.
Frick off dude that homosexual is absolutely awful.
I’m so sick of fricking shills
And I want people to complain about books they've read, instead of the shit they make up in their head. I guess nobody is happy.
Nta, but the last time I did that I got shit on for reading something I disliked until the end.
There’s no winning here.
Anyway, speaking if Batman, I’m about 20 issues into Batman Adventures. I wish the color palket wasn’t so bright but otherwise it’s great.
insufferable homosexual
>I got shit on for reading something I disliked until the end.
As you should. That mentality is why comics are dying. Folks round here always shit their pants in anger at that image about how you can start at the beginning in manga as opposed to the convoluted way you do for comics and point out you can start wherever but then they also tell you you HAVE to read awful comics because "they're important".
>but then they also tell you you HAVE to read awful comics because "they're important".
Nobody says you that. If you want to read a character that’s existed for over half a century you can read whatever the frick you want from it. It’s entirely up to you. But if you want to understand a backstory or how something happened then yeah, that requires reading something specific even if it’s a bad story. But nothing forced you to read crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman
Show me where on the wiki Tom King hurt you.
Because you clearly didn't actually read the comics.
Gotta love how Cinemaphile has gone from advocating that you had some kind of an internal wiki for writers to use to allow them to check old stuff for continuity purposes to now seething and accusing writers they don’t like for having the temerity to use a wiki for referencing anything old.
The petty “NOT A REAL FAN LIKE ME” bullshit apparently has developed a new face for itself.
stop being a homosexual
>Gotta love how Cinemaphile…
You’re as Cinemaphile as anyone else in this thread dipshit.
Gotta love how Cinemaphile is one person who makes strawman arguments.
Correct. There is plenty of hivemind activity on this board.
I like that Snyder featured this design for it in his run.
What's weird is the tree building is still supposed to be canon, separate from this one. Kate Kane was living there for awhile.
Yeah. DC's editors are shit.
How did Kate live there anyways? Bruce Wayne rents out his old penthouse to a distant relative at the top of his big charitable foundation but doesn't realize she's using it as a base of operations to be Batwoman?
Wasn't this as some attempt to complety separate it from the Adam West TV show? Same reason why Alfred got killed off, though retconed as not really.
sort of, also to make him more cool and younger- old money lives in mansions, new money has them too but live in penthouses and go about the town.
>Wasn't this as some attempt to complety separate it from the Adam West TV show?
Yeah, it was the first "Back to 1939" run. Dick was declared to be old enough to start college so they write Batman instead of Batman and Robin stories. Alfred was the only post-1939 element who continued to appear every month.
The Batcave first appeared in Detective #83, 1944.
Funny to think that Batman's car and aircraft spent that long zooming around without developed lore of where he hid them.
How come the Penthouse is still so iconic but nobody even wants to acknowledge Batman's brownstone era being a thing?
It's shit.
Because he barely does anything at the Brownstone.
I thought the early arcs of the Tamaki run made great use of the new neighborhood. But TBF nobody reads Detective Comics.
Well it mostly just existed as a way to introduce and use his neighbours who were new characters. He didn’t really spend time in the apartment itself to give it any type of identity.
Most of the modern lore was created by Frank Miller
This isn’t true. Denny O’Neill did
You're both right, but Bruce traveling around the world, Alfred being there at Bruce's childhood, the waynes watching Zorro, and even Thomas' mustache are all things Miller added, and were vetted by Dennis as canon. While O'Neil is VERY influential, a lot of his additions were more in regards to tone than it was history.
I don't think Frank Miller added "Alfred raised Bruce". In 1985, the last season of Superfriends had a Batman origin episode called "The Fear" that shows Alfred with Lil Bruce at his parents' graves, then overseeing his training:
http://jorellisisland.blogspot.com/2015/01/who-raised-bruce_27.html
All through pre-Crisis Earth-1, Bruce had been raised by his paternal uncle Philip.
It's kind of borderline, I'd say. I think it's very possible people just plain forgot Alfred was a later addition but remembered he was a family butler. I can't see Frank watching Superfriends episodes, though, so it might be a case of convergent evolution.
Things Frank added are crucial, and O'Neil would run with it a few years later in the Man who falls. As far as tone, Miller couldn't write his Batman if not for O'Neil making the batbooks a place where Miller's stories could be told.
>I can't see Frank watching Superfriends episodes, though, so it might be a case of convergent evolution.
This.
It's an objective improvement, but since Uncle Philip was established continuity, they couldn't implement it until reboots were allowed. Which in the comics was post-Crisis and in cartoons was "whenever Broadcast Standards & Practices will let us show Bruce's parents getting killed".
I’m not moving off of this. Frank “added” very little. What you said about tone is ass backwards Denny added the factoids (and tone) Frank added his first year details and more for Gordon than Bruce but most of his additions were in tone and context.
Frank outlined the main elements of the character. He took things that were vague or minor about the character and turned them into one recognizable element. After that, writers began to work on this blueprint. An example of this is the meaning of the bat or Bruce's training.
This is complete horseshit. Miller's influence on Batman is overstated by people who've never read Dennis O'Neil's run. (Or, in some cases, anything pre-Crisis at all.)
>late 1969 until March 1982, almost the entire Bronze Age
That IS the entire Bronze Age. And more.
>That IS the entire Bronze Age. And more.
I thought the Bronze Age only ended with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Wha?
could someone storytime some 70s Batman?
>Just one guess, now!
It's Alfred!