Hickman's X-Stuff run is absolute kino and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
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Hickman's X-Stuff run is absolute kino and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
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for people who don't really like x-men and like polyamory/cuckshit
>mutants have to follow backwards human rules
why
There’s literally no difference between a human and a mutant beside one of them is born with a random power
Flatscan humie coping.
fricking huggas, right?
>there is no difference aside from this massive difference that alone changes everything
So they are better then ok. Every other fricking race gets powers but we're chuds reeing at getting powers and trying to prevent it. I say cull the worthless and breed more mutants. Only a fool would disagree or someone trying to substitute this for some gay culture war shit.
FPBP. Any X-Men fan who buys Didney product is mentally cucked.
Actual mousecuck
>t. mindbroken by the mouse
/misc/ turned this site into soulless robotic dogshit
Yeah if only he finished the story the lazy frick
He would have, but he made the mistake of making his premise *too* interesting, and now all the other writers want to play in his new sandbox.
He's the guy in charge its his job to steer the ship
Was the guy. He jumped ship with Inferno, because everyone liked the new status quo too much and wouldn't let him move onto the second and third act of the story
gillen's eternalshit is great too. this is the first marvel event in more than a decade I'm actually interested in
HoX/PoX was amazing, the rest was more hit and miss, leaves a sour taste in my mouth knowing it ultimetly leads to nowhere
This, unfortunately. It promised something incredible and then worked toward that in fits and starts before rushing an unsatisfactory ending.
ah, a time traveler.
tell us, anon, what's the ending like?
>tell us
>us
Dude, Hickman left. Hope this helps you fricking moron.
Gillen and Ewing are better writers anyway
They’re fricking terrible wannabe’s who try to ape better writers. I still hate Gillen from his days as a Games journalist. Jim doing Super celebrities like Morrison and Moore is boring.
people shit on Ewing and Gillen but then go on to praise bendis tier hacks like PAD because of nostalgia.
PAD is the best writer Marvel has to these days and he is barely alive, his worst work is better than anything Gillen has done and Ewing is an insufferable homosexual obsessed with minorities
>PAD is the best writer Marvel has to these days and he is barely alive
have you actually tried reading any of his recent stuff? when has he written in the past ten years youwould consider good.
Yes, the Maestro stuff has been the best thing Marvel has put out in years
the meastro series lost me with the incredibly on the nose, "maybe humans are the real monsters" commentary.
PAD's Scarlet Spider is definitely not better than anything Gillen's done. That book was absolute shit.
>deflection
Shit is still shit no matter how much you like it.
Ewing, Gillen and Spurrier being shit writers is just a fact. PAD hasn't been a good writer since around some point in his 2000s X-Factor run. Either Rahne's kid or the bait and switch with Jamie and Layla's kid.
Tell me anon what is so kino about it? What part of his X-Men interpretation you like? What makes all the character assassination worth it?
heaven forbid my 50 year old capeshit cliches have some character development and progress into being actual characters that are relevant and current
heaven forbid those who have been hunted and feared man up and take on the world
I genuinely can't remember anything he wrote can be counted as character development or progress instead of character assassination, could you clarify?
I don't think I ever used the term us, have no idea what you are quoting
I think you should get some "character assassination" yourself and remove that stick up your ass, learn to enjoy things.
I enjoyed X-Men until 10 years ago, anything after that is outright garbage because they are just poorly written, why should I enjoy shit?
You must have shit taste then because the only good writing before this new X-Men era was some of Claremont and most of Morrison. The rest was pure dogshit.
You have the most casual taste lmao, just admit you didn't read X-Men until Hickman
>hurrrr good things are bad. bad things are good.
being contrarian won't fool people into believing you have a personality
Please at least read some actual good x-books, I can give you a simplified list if you're interested.
>Milligan X-force
>David Hine District X
>PAD X-Factor
>Carey X-Men legacy
>Wells New Mutants
>Remender Uncanny X-force
>Spurrier X-club & X-Men legacy
None of the Krakoa era books is better than any of these, most of them are even unreadable garbage
Anything Spurrier writes is gold. Him being Legion's defacto writer these days is one of the best ideas Marvel ever had. Never read New Mutants of Legacy but District X was a series so forgettable, I'll have forgotten about it again by the time I finish this sentence. The rest is solid though.
>Anything Spurrier writes is gold.
The last good thing Spurrier wrote was the Forget-Me-Not issue of Legacy. He's been a bad writer for a long time and Legion of X is practically unreadable nonsense.
Frick off, Way of X/Onslaught Revelation/Legion of X is some of the best parts of the entire Krakoa era.
Legion is annoying me, seems like all the characters lost their voice and the cast all talks the same now.
>District X was a series so forgettable, I'll have forgotten about it again by the time
It's the one did mutant culture better than Morrison who came up with the concept but didn't do jackshit about it, easily one of the best books of Morrison era
About 10 years ago was Schism, Generation Hope, Wolverine running the School, AVX, and the O5 coming from the past. Is that the last thing you enjoyed, you lying c**t?
For me AvX was the beginning of the end.
AvX was about the only big summer crossover Marvel's put out since 2000 that was any good. You are mentally ill.
>AvX
>good
I'm the mentally ill one?
The only one that was *any good*. We're comparing it to Secret Invasion, civil war 1&2, Secret Empire, etc., compared to those, it was a glorious golden israeliteel.
>Is that the last thing you enjoyed, you lying c**t?
I already listed the last I enjoyed, X-Men legacy, before that Uncanny X-force, you are the one cherrypicking homosexual
>characters wake up one day and act completely different
>character development
did you miss the decades of storytelling that lead to hox/pox. because I assure you that it did lead to this point and rather perfectly
Decades of storytelling definitely doesn't lead to this. If anything it leads to nothing because X-Men has been changing inconsistently since 2015, Hickman himself just ignored the run before him and started his own stuff
The X Men spent the past 15 or so years pre Krakoa getting genocided and screwed over by the world they protect. Why do anonymous act like it's unrealistic or wrong for them to get fed up and go in the current direction?
Because guess what, Marvel did that shit already. It was called Utopia, and people pissed and moaned it was one of the worst eras of the X-men despite giving them both Rightclops and a mutant school under Wolverine. The only difference is that the writers are pretending that being forced to live on their own private highly advanced island civilization instead of living wherever they want is an unambiguously good thing instead of a bitter compromise.
Most of that era was boring, but Wolverine and the X-Men was one of the most fun books I'd read in years, so they did one thing right at least.
Because racial supremacy and Isolationism are not answers to anything, as history has shown.
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST LEAVE TO YOUR HECKIN ISLANDERINO YOU HAVE TO LET US KEEP ATTACKING YOU WITH ROBOTS
C'mon now.
Isolationism is bad.
There are only 2 so-called 'genocides', the later one didn't even kill many mutants as Black Bolt wasn't listed on their crime list.
In story they didn't get hurt so badly by either of them. The first one aka HoM has been fixed by AvX, before that X-Men already dealed with it well by standing together, while fighting aliens or vampires or anything. There wasn't much common anger shared by the whole race afterwards. And the Terrigan mist one? People basically just forgot it, nobody even mentioned it at all. And x-men still spent years doing their regular superheroing afterwards.
Then Hickman came and said they suddenly have this frustration over the years, that's your logical conclusion?
You forgot about Genosha being nuked by Sentinels. Despite the fact it was a third world hellhole dictatorship being run by Magneto at the time. And that the one who used the Sentinels was a guy being mind controlled by Cassandra Nova, who didn't hate mutants in particular, just aiming to hurt Charles Xavier in particular. And that the Sentinels were even there to use because they came from decommissioned US factory that was funded by the Hellfire Club, the terms of the deal being directly run by Sebastian Shaw and funded by Emma Frost. And which they love to fricking bring up even now to blame the Supers for not intervening with, despite it happening so fast not even the X-men could respond. Especially by Emma Frost.
God, I'd say "frick Emma Frost", but apparently it's canon she's got a swamp ditch.
>And which they love to fricking bring up even now to blame the Supers for not intervening with, despite it happening so fast not even the X-men could respond
Don't forget the Avengers AND X-men were fighting Kang who just took over the world after flattening DC
>as Black Bolt wasn't listed on their crime list
That's just because Hickman copypasted that list from an X-force title that was released before inhuman vs X-men
It's not just copy paste, Hickman made up the number for Scarlet Witch, if he wanted he can always make one for Black Bolt
By the time Hickman's run started, they were trying to shove the Inhumans to the back of the closet as fast and hard as they could, of course they didn't mention them in the genocide list.
>genocided and screwed over by the world they protect.
Umm they didn't? Genosha was done by the sister of Xavier, HoM was done by Wanda who was a mutant then, Terrigan mist was done by inhumans. The world they protect never even hurt them much, and when they do, it's either by some sentimental bacteria, or mind controlled by Cassandra Nova. Or are you talking about The Rights or Purifiers? They are anti-mutant groups from the start and certainly not the ones X-Men would protect. So, why did the X-Men turn against the world?
What's funny is that HoXPoX gave the numbers of mutant deaths at the hands of anti-mutant groups and it's laughably small, like a small fraction of a percent of the population if you combine everyone together. Magneto has a bigger mutant death toll than the Purifiers.
What I love the most about this is that Emma Frost was there and spent the entire attack hiding under rubble, and that Genosha happened during the Kang Dynasty, which had half the Avengers stranded in deep space and the other half fighting off a coalition of supervillains and armies of aliens and Atlanteans.
Magneto and Polaris were on Genosha when it happened as well, and all they could do was save themselves. Someone needs to slap Emma across the face and tell her nobody could have stopped that shit.
>So, why did the X-Men turn against the world?
They didn't? The X-Men still go out and fight villains to protect regular humans. Have you even read any X-Men comics or do you just like to b***h about things you nothing about?
They turn against the world the moment they invited all those villains onto the island. They turn against the world the moment they abused telepath powers on normal people again and again without any moral concern. Running a PR team named X-Men to do the superheroing doesn't really help their reputation. Let alone the team itself was summoned regardless of the will of their ruling circle, thus doesn't reflect the will of the country after all
>X-Men are literally elected by every mutant on the planet
>Doesn't reflect the will of the country.
Ah, so you have read the comics, you're just choosing to lie about them. Got it.
The fact that the overwhelming majority of mutants currently in existence were ordinary humans until the end of AvX, which means that the status quo of X-Men and mutants in general should have completely upended in 2012. Because characters like Apocalyse got entirely new backstories, motivations, and personalities to fit the story rather than addressing how and why characters would reject the new status quo. Oh, and in-universe the entire history of X-Men comics was Moira, Xavier, and Magneto using future knowledge to manipulate events to secure their own power at the expense of mutant lives. Oh, and also due to sliding timescale the past 15 years are something like 2 years in-universe.
All of that mess happened over the course of 2 years in-universe? I feel like that's a good enough reason for them to set up Krakoa.
>Oh, and also due to sliding timescale the past 15 years are something like 2 years in-universe.
oh come on, it happened over the course of 3 years
What the frick are you talking about man?
Did Wolverine suddenly stop being a hardass who's the best at what he does?
Did Cyclops suddenly stop being a stuck up homosexual with a heart of gold?
Did Xavier suddenly stop being a scheming visionary?
Frick off.
If you can't even tell what's ooc for these characters, I don't see the point arguing with you because clearly Hickman is your first ever x-book
>My arguments are self-evident lmao
>Ad hominem
You haven't actually read it have you?
>Did Wolverine suddenly stop being a hardass who's the best at what he does?
Yes, now he fricks dudes in the ass and sucks dick. That shit if fricking gay and fricking moronic. Hes not the best at what he does, now hes just a poorly written emasculated homosexual.
Because the premise is interesting. It's mutantkind going "okay you hate us and fear us and want us to go away? Fine, we're gone."
It's coming up with new antagonistic forces in relation to that, instead of recycling the same old xavier vs magneto story again.
It's a storyline actually taking the premise of super-powered beings and seeing what could be done to the world if they actually existed.
Its taking the previous villains and putting their villainy to a new context, where rather than being open antagonists they're schemers and plotters alongside what the heroes are trying to accomplish.
Its saturating the entire x-line with this feeling of dread because it's all SO wrong and you know it's all going to collapse eventually and you want to see how weird it's going to get until then.
I dunno man, it's fricking interesting!
>Because the premise is interesting. It's mutantkind going "okay you hate us and fear us and want us to go away? Fine, we're gone."
What? That's not the premise. The premise is "okay you hate us and fear us and want us to go away? Fine, we're taking over the world (and also Mars) AND protecting you humies at the same time."
It's completely ruined the characters. Everyone is written OOC, everyone is basically a mutant supremacist. Everyone, from Scott to the kids, is obsessed with their sexual fetishes and perfroming them and talking about them. Moira is completely ruined as a character. When this does finally end, how the frick do you reintegrate the X-Men back into things? You'd have to basically nuke the entire thing and then act like the last few years never happened.
holy fricking seething lmao
Frick off, White and/or interns.
Stick. Off. Ass.
Now.
Why do characters being taken to their logical conclusion make you so mad?
Honestly I personally think this concept could work but in something like the uber comic, where the Nazis have superpowers and are at war. The whole initial concept of x-men is that they want to live with humans as equals. Because they don't see themselves as different. Because they are you know, heroes and good people.
The initial concept of a lot of characters and groups in comics was very different from what we know them to be today, or even as their standard, timeless status. From lethal Batman and jumping Superman, to good kid with bad temper Spider-Man.
The problem is too much has happened. Things have expanded too much. The original concepts often can't hold anymore, not intact anyway. And telling the same story forever isn't feasible.
The concept changed and evolved to adapt to a world where we now better recognize that minorities are NOT the same as us, that being "colorblind" is a disservice, that minority groups have unique circumstances, strengths, and challenges that they live with that should be recognized and respected.
Which is why Remender's whole thing were he had an Avenger mutant ask people to not call him mutant, just "Alex" fell flat and had such a poor PR response.
Having mutants establish their own identity in a world they already tried to appease to multiple near extinction events is a natural progression.
This
was actually meant to be a reply to this
And it's still moronic because that is literally fighting against the message that the X-men have outright been beating into the ground even right up to X-men Gold: That no matter how freaky they look, how supernatural their powers, or how nice or vicious they are, that every mutant is fundamentally a human with the same dignity and capacity for good or evil as the audience reading their adventures. And that they're only going to survive in the long term if they actively work to build that better future instead of trying to pretend that they were somehow above or immune to the issues humanity faced as a whole.
Like, for frick's sake, there was a What If where Magneto got what he wanted and was given Asteroid M and the majority of mutant kind to rule over and oversee as he saw fit. A place completely untouchable by humanity, free to do whatever they wanted. And yet it only a few years for them to immediately go into a bloody civil war between the guys who wanted to run off and explore the cosmos and the guys who wanted to outright conquer the planet. That's the kind of thing that Hickman's story would be more naturally progressing towards, especially a society full of unrepentant villains who all have their own agenda and visions of mutantkinds' future. Forget "establishing their own identity". They'd be lucky to not kill each other over whether to have orange juice or milk for breakfast.
>When this does finally end, how the frick do you reintegrate the X-Men back into things? You'd have to basically nuke the entire thing and then act like the last few years never happened.
I find Hickman era X-men dumb as well, but you know that's the route they're going. They'll pretend it was a big misunderstanding or that Moira brainwashed them or something, and then they'll just sweep it all under the rug. It's just like with Steve Rogers during Secret Empire, or Hal Jordan after Emerald Twilight, or hell Jean Gray after the Dark Phoenix Saga. Always easier to pretend that the character was brainwashed into evil or replaced by an evil copy than addressing the fact they've become full blown villains and garbage human beings.
This. Only sexual deviants are really enjoying this because they self insert as a literal freak of nature
This delusional cope will never stop being funny.
>everyone is basically a mutant supremacist.
This has been the X-Men status quo for years if not decades.
Don't reintegrate. Keep going. Stagnant status quos are garbage.
>stagnant status quos are garbage
>keep going with this status quo
The interns are out in full force. They giving you an extra bag of chips with your lunch today?
Man, there's been only a few references to "sexual fetishes" in the entire thing, and yet it's one of the biggest complaints you wankers always bring up.
And the more egregious instances are even portrayed negatively. The whole thing with Nightcrawler finding the abandoned babies was about him realizing that mutants were given a paradise and freed from death and all they've done with it is become irresponsible, so they need guidance.
Beyond that, what do you have to b***h about? A few characters being gays or dykes? Most if not all of them already were, before the Krakoa era.
The Cyke - Jean - Logan poly thing? So they resolved the love triangle in an amicable way. Did you want them to continue the same drama forever?
Why so defensive, interns? Does White threaten to make you touch his babyish spitcurl if you don't properly defend the Krakoa Cult?
Took you long enough homosexual
It's something different than "We're slowly dying out and everyone shits on us constantly", which is what the X-Men meta story had been for 15 fricking years. I get people not liking Hickman's poor character work, but the setting and plotting were the most fun and interesting the X-Men have been in years.
Yeah, House of M was really stupid and the Morrison status quo should've never been nuked but that doesn't excuse Krakoa Cult.
It does for me. You can sneed all you like, but I'm loving the Krakoa era.
>the Morrison status quo should've never been nuked
The Morrison status quo should never have happened in the first place.
Morrison status quo got nuked basically as soon as he left, house of M being a big part of that
Shit I missed the never part, ignore my post.
Not even the best of the 10s x-men, Utopia did it far better
is he the one who allowed scott to be cuck?
old scott
>bangs jean
new scott
>bangs jean AND logan
I say: based
Krakoa Cult might be, in terms of volume, the worst X-Men stuff ever written. It's at least neck and neck with post-Onslaught/pre-Morrison stuff. It was bad when Hickman was still around and it's gotten even worse since he's left.
you pretend to be a woman so why not keep up pretending its good
This shit is trash, I want my superheroes doing superhero shit, blowing up bad guys, space adventures... I dont want them having sucking dick parties and going to the met gala in homosexual dresses because the people who write these hate actual fans.
Hickman is awful.
Holy frick, closet-homosexual chuds got absolutely ASSDESTROYED by a single panel of Wolverine being chummy with Cyclops.
Imagine being this insecure of your sexuality lmao
imagine being a troon on Cinemaphile lmao
Imagine being scared that your butthole tingles whenever you see Wolverine now
>posting about trans people multiple times an hour, as one does
Real alpha hours bro, sick
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
stay a filthy degenerate, chuds.
It is not, I have not read one of his charts and never will
I was reading through the stuff in order via the trades and a lot of it was decent, but Fallen Angels, christ, that is some irredeemable bullshit: Kwannon, who's basically been on ice 30 years, tells X-23 and Teen Cable - arguably two of the X-Men with the most combat experience, easily the two youngest, aside from maybe Hope Summers - how to fight battles. And they're so grateful to her, they all but fall over themselves to prove their loyalty to her. Really? Really?!
Other than that, Hickman's main X book had some super-clunky dialogue and the mutant cult thing, I really didn't like, but there's some fun stuff in there, aside from the usual gripes.
Prob the most fun Xmen have been in a while, but its kinda dragged on when it should have concluded on hickmans original timeline
Hickman's stuff is fine, and it would be absolute kino if he had been allowed to complete it. But he wasn't, and everything that's come out of his groundwork since others took over has been complete and utter dogshit. The sad part is that there's nothing that can be done about it since x-gays are braindead morons who only read these comics to self insert as these characters so of course they'll keep propping up these awful books for years to come.
Gay shit
Nothing Happens
Only 20 pages of talk
When some action happens, some mutants die and are resurrected in the next panel
Any sense of danger is lost
All the Mutant titles have lost their meaning because now they are "immortal", and the writers are talentless with woke artists who hate drawing cheesecake
Worst timeline
just like Morrison, Hickman is a moron with a more moronic pretentious fanbase, they ruin everything they touch and hate comics
Thanks for the moronic take, it was very moronic and pretentious.
>Hickman's X-Stuff run is absolute kino and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Specifically the stuff he wrote/had a hand in? Yes, probably.
It's a great coda to X-Men as a franchise--but we know it will never actually end.
i knew its a comic and all but its still stupid to have resurrections out there not alot of drama when anyone come just come back
I think I've finally figured out what was truly bugging be about Krakoa X-men and it took until the wet fart that was the Second Hellfire Gala for me to be able to articulate. The entire line is "Notice Me Senpai" incarnate. The X-line is desperately trying to become the axis on which the entire Marvel Universe turns and it's just not working. They're doing all this big shit from resurrection, political dick wagging and fricking taking over Mars and it just doesn't matter outside of their own books. Nobody really uses their shit beyond the occasional reference, Slott can flat out pull Franklin Richards off the board and the second major out of line crossovers are with the Eternals and Spiderman at his absolute rock bottom.