Holy FRICK this was terrible. Save your money but most importantly save your fricking time.
3+ hour runtime and 90% of it is brown women crying on purpose. The rest is literally just people sitting around doing fricking nothing.
I've seen wokeist history retelling horse shit but this takes the fricking cake. At the end of the movie (non spoiler) it closes with a radio show retelling what just happened and when it gets time to recap the indian womans take Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show and retells her side in a totally defeatist and apologist attitude. He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men.
I could even forgive this shit if the movie wasn't a total fricking slogfest. Its not even slowburn, it's just slow. The FBI only enters in the last 40 minutes or so and they literally. do. nothing. I mean nothing. None of them are explained none of them do anything. They just stand around, put people in cuffs and ask questions to move the plot along.
There is no drama, there is no mystery. You know whats going on in the first 30 minutes of the movie. Read the fricking wikipedia article. Its way more interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage_Indian_murders
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I don't think I could do a 3 hour movie these days. 2 hours and it gets old... frick after an hour I'm ready to go home and take a nap or something. 34 years old.. is this life?
>34 years old.. is this life?
no you're literally just ugly fat and have bad genes
pwned
No, it's not life, it's just shit media. The bloat is fricking insane nowadays. I am now fully for mandatory two hour cap on muh art, because gays in charge have nothing interesting to say no matter how much time you give them.
I am rewatching stuff from 90s and it is wild how much they cam cram in 90 minutes.
I was disappointed when Oppenheimer ended I wanted it to be longer
but is it cinema?
No. The cinematography is stuffy and overly character focused.
Go back to r/mcu. All pseud zoomers in this thread.
Exactly. Martin scorcese is entitled to end his career by taking a dump in theaters. It's pretty cool actually.
You're right. He should've had a superhero fly in and make everything right in the world. And trim it down to 90 minutes. Maybe even film it in portrait mode.
Sucking dicks of two hasbeens like Caprio and Scorsese definitely isn't pseud behavior lol
>le movies are about actors
No it's a picture, it says so on the poster
WHERE ARE THE BIG EXPLASIONS AND STAFF
I hear your argument, but no. This is just slow dogcalling white guilt bullshit.
scorsese was forced to reshoot the movie after apple told him to
the budget was big and the white male bullshit wasn't enough to justify it.
I thought this was going to be about a serial killer at a World's Fair in the 19th century, that's a big reshoot
no that was different movie
keanu dropped out of the show
probably good idea because this whole holmes bullshit is fake story
Yeah, Killers of the Flower Moon is a real narrative history. Devil in the White City and Isaac’s storm are straight historical fiction masquerading as history.
people really want somebody to adapt this book as much as blood meridian. I've been seeing these headlines for almost a decade "dude I'm so hyped scorsese is gonna make a a serial killer movie with leo!!!"
I guess serial killers always sell.
Everything before 1945 is historical fiction.
>probably good idea because this whole holmes bullshit is fake story
What makes you say that?
In Cold Blood qualified as non fiction more than the bullshit book that put Holmes on the map.
devil in the white city, different thing. shame actually, gangs of new york is one of my favorite movies based on how vividly scorsese brought 1860's new york to life, and i think he would've made late 1800s world fair chicago look similarly incredible.
>based on how vividly scorsese brought 1860's new york to life
Yea, like when they are using human ears as currency to show you how bad white people really are. Yea, he really captured reality there.
(pro-tip: he's always been an anti-white cryptojew).
In better movies.
>At the end of the movie (non spoiler) it closes with a radio show retelling what just happened and when it gets time to recap the indian womans take Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show and retells her side in a totally defeatist and apologist attitude.
what the frick
just saw it tonight and it's all true
its one of the only retellings of the story, and scorsese paid homage to it
The white man is the most delicate substance on Earth.
Yes we have a delicate beauty only imitated in sculptures and other works of art
Yet white men conquered the whole world and every other race is still butthurt about it.
>conquest is le difficult! Love and inclusion are the weak cowardly path!
Cmon bro, who do you think you're foolin'? ~GD4M0N
Yet you're on here every single day crying about "the west has fallen, all my shows are pozzed"
You were bested by those.
Did you ever say this about all the minorities b***hing?
>bulk of the argument is complaining that it's "woke"
Dude, it's about a rich white guy killing over 20 people, including the wife of his own nephew, to steal their land so he can get richer. Land that was promised by the white, US government and then they barely did anything until the guy was killing over 20 fricking people and they HAD to do something, then they gave him parole and he died out of prison.
Is that not evil to you? You sound like a israelite, no wonder whites are the biggest allies to israelites. Same mentality.
This. Replace the whites whining with israelites talking about palestine and you'd call them zionist israelites.
there are no whites in america, only a cattle mutts that pay taxes into the zog behemoth
this movie is about a handful of white people doing bad things, and you're here screeching about the white race as a whole. if someone made a movie about one of the comanche rituals where they mass sacrificed children, and white people pointed at that movie and started screeching about American indians being savages, you'd be the first to cry racism.
They did make it. It's called Apocalypto. Kino brown savage documentary.
dang you're right, that was fricking kino. goddamn savages
>praising a historical film full of inaccuracies because it reinforces your personal biases
Hmm, now where have I see this before?
pic rel, literally you
>some pajeet got so triggered they had to edit the meme
lmao
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>All my life, all I ever wanted to be was an Indian chief
>*doo wop music begins to play*
>we used to call this kid Spitshine Spitting Bull. He’d make your moccasins look like frickin mirras
>It was for Billy Buffalo, and a lot of other things. We just had to sit there and take it, real Redman shit.
>his name was two times tomahawk because he always carried and threw two tomahawks.
As if anyone takes the recommendation of someone on Cinemaphile seriously. I'll probably go and watch it now, its bound to be brilliant.
It's a good date movie, have your wife bring her bull
Why dont white people want to ackwnoldge what they did to injuns?
anyone who would care is dead now
White fragility
Shitskin poopality
Seethe harder shitskin.
lol you know Indians kept Black folk as slaves right?
'We' didn't do anything. People a hundred years ago did. I'm sick of being blamed for things I had nothing to do with just because we share a skin color. Should I go and spit on Britbongs because they tried to kill an important politician here 400 years ago?
In Oklahoma v Castro-Huerta the supreme court basically revoked Indian tribes right of self governance. Oklahoma was only incorporated as a state on the condition that Indian tribal land doesn't fall under state jurisdiction. This happened in 2021
That's too frickin' bad.
Ever seen wind river? Because that entire movie is basically about how the self-governence of indian reservation fails (and its still the white mans fault of course).
Maybe the lesson is "you cant save frickups".
No white person alive has done anything wrong to Indians. But I actually welcome movies that criticize the few instances when white people failed at their task of being the moral compass of the entire fricking world.
Tories making Rishi Sunak PM of a sinking shit party in a sinking ship country in a rough seas economy really seems like a dicking over.
> the few instances when white people failed at their task of being the moral compass of the entire fricking world
When you position yourself as the moral compass and try every chance you get to impose your morality on others then you have a responsibility to do right.
Ok psycho take your meds
Old people like cowboy movies too much to make John Wayne a villain, young people who cake on the negative feelings and guilt too much for anyone to the right of Trotsky to do anything but "yeah it sucks but frick I'm tired"
If Liberals didn't go straight to "all the land and resources are stolen and all the people but a few are dead" and Conservatives didn't go "well who gives a frick winners and losers it was 250 years ago" we could probably do more than casinos and Hard Rock Cafe's and the occasional good movie about an event.
But this is the world we live in, and if you can convince everyone on the right or left to stop caring about an insignificant issue, you should be a lobbyist.
>if you can convince everyone on the right or left to stop caring about an insignificant issue, you should be a lobbyist.
Heh
>young people who cake on the negative feelings and guilt too much for anyone to the right of Trotsky to do anything but "yeah it sucks but frick I'm tired"
I feel like there is something interesting being said there, but for the life of me I can't make sense of this sentence
This isn't even a good fricking example of that though. Their are way better examples, the trail of tears, the repeated abrigated treaties that got thrown overboard the second gold or oil or something was found on reservation land. This was a small group of crooks trying to steal from a bunch of native, almost getting away with it, not because the federal authorities are complicit, but because it's way the frick out in the middle of nowhere during the turn of the century. The Feds are actively and repeatedly taking the Osages side and trying to see to it they get what they are owed, only the local 'authorities' are successfully paid off.
If this is supposed to be a condemnation of how whites treated natives, this is a terrible fricking example. Are we supposed to bear the fricking sin of every gang of bandits that happen to share our particular race? Even when the government that supposedly represents the race takes the side of the minority victim at every fricking turn?
It was state wide corruption, not just the local sheriff. Everyone in the state was in on it basically, it was stopped by the FBI (the agents who weren't immediately bribed off) and SOME of the people responsible went to jail, AFTER dozens were poisoned/shot/blown up in their own homes, and had all their money stolen. I dunno this seems like a cinematic event and worth making a movie about right, that is if you are not a b***hmade loser who has to huff and puff about every little thing involving minorities
Americans invented "killing your enemies is evil" to get the Nazis at Nuremberg and over time started to actually believe it
Stop lumping all white people in the same group you fricking racist.
they got conquered
simple as
We fought godless savages and won.
This movie doesn't tell that story.
>This movie doesn't tell that story.
yeah...because that's not what the fricking movie is about you fricking incel lmao. do you walk into a theater playing a comedy and then shit your pants because it's not a drama?
Brown women crying about oppression is a comedy in all cases.
Heyahey heyahaya plop plop plop
because if they did they would have to cease criticizing Israel
>All history and honest observation will show that the Red Man is a skulking coward and a windy braggart, who strikes without warning--usually from an ambush or under cover of night, and nearly always bringing a force of about five or six to one against his enemy; kills helpless women and little children, and massacres the men in their beds; and then brags about it as long as he lives, and his son and his grandson and great-grandson after him glorify it among the "heroic deeds of their ancestors." A regiment of Fenians will fill the whole world with the noise of it when they are getting ready invade Canada; but when the Red Man declares war, the first intimation his friend the white man whom he supped with at twilight has of it, is when the war-whoop rings in his ears and tomahawk sinks into his brain.
very anti semitic and even racist surprise surprise chuds wanna blame the buffalo soldiers who got trigger happy or the israelites that just wanted to trade some blankets
Muh Noble Savage Myth, nice try.
I'm genuinely curious, in the case of the Americas, similar to Australia, the lands consisted of warring native tribes conquering and killing each other for thousands of years. As soon as the British got to Australia, they were recording mass murders of men, women and children in tribal conflicts. So why must the supposed historical indiscretions of the whites be front and center in the 2th century? I really want to know. People are activated by the immoral behavior of the whites but for some reason, the torture, cannibalism, mass-murder committed by the disparate non-white tribes on each other doesn't mobilize them? Why not? Why aren't the surviving tribes who conquered and vanquished their enemies demonized? Why aren't they made to beg for forgiveness?
>Why not? Why aren't the surviving tribes who conquered and vanquished their enemies demonized? Why aren't they made to beg for forgiveness?
Anon, you are on the right track. Zoom out though. The reason why whites are made to feel guilty about their battles with injuns is that 1) whites won, they didn't 2) whites are still considered the race on the top of the world's totem pole pun intended 3) there is a race of people who want to remove whites from that place forever, and due to population size and being a real outlier as far as severe eccentricity one of the methods is a deep tissue psychological demoralization applied covertly and now rather overtly through pop culture. It's not enough to physically confront them in the near future, they need to chip away at the past, they need to desecrate and rewrite all past victories and inform the "losers" that they were cheated. Eventually whites and many others begin to believe this, generations grow up dreaming of doing what Scorsese just did, crafting a 3-hour Chinese struggle session that costs a fortune and makes whites drive home wanting to wipe depression and fugue states off their windshield.
The problem is that Americans are taught they are number one, and number one to such an unfair degree that they need to relinquish their "crown," apologize to the "would," and submit to watching endless hours of guilt porn starting the last white actors who aren't obese mockeries. It's Stockholm disorder except most have no idea they even have real competition.
Understand that in nature a lion cannot see and hear certain threats because these threats do not show themselves and make no discernable sounds. So the lion doesn't even believe there are no threats of this nature because they are not of his nature. One day the lion stumbles and grows confused. Suddenly the lion realizes he is surrounded by so many little familiar animals that he used to rule, but now they see him as food. Then he sees the unseen.
Real history demoralizes you. You are appalled by the genocide that took place and you don't want to hear about it, so you act like a child and make up a story of a monster plotting to get you
Which genocide? There was like a hundred before we actually showed up.
Dindu Nuffin.
Except a hundred genocides
given the power disparity, the whites could have wiped out the natives in less than a year, no problem. Why didn't they? They were genocidal, right?
Well good point. I guess Turks didn't commit genocide because Armenians still exist
So that genocide counts?
>Why didn't they?
They pretty much did, which is why you can mock the natives of the land you inhabit today without much concern for push back.
>You are appalled by the genocide that took place and you don't want to hear about
I am a veteran, two deployments in the Middle East theater (so far). If you are an American, lemme ask you, if the Native Americans had won and reclaimed all their land, where would you be today? Trick question, you wouldn't. There would be no internet. You might have an abacus made of rodent skulls to keep count how many days until the rain because you needed a shower to clean out all the semen deposited by a men who literally thought he was a resurrected dead hawk.
>I’m fighting for no healthcare at home
he's refuting the other guy's claim that he is frightened by death. i want better responses than that, you slackers.
Sorry, no veteran discount here, bootboy. Go bomb another village and cry about it.
>I am a veteran
yeah that's totally normal, that's what the power centers of your country are meant to do, they're meant to demoralize the ethnic racial majority over something every race was doing centuries ago. That's a standard principle of how power should manage a society - ceaseless cultural attacks on the racial majority, nothing strange or conspicuous about that. That's just democracy in action - never-ending cultural, economic, political attacks on the majority
He is so mad about learning facts about the past lol
>okay cool, totally normal world! Yeah real cool, making me feel bad about being white >:( thanks a lot
>learning
in white majority countries, you cannot even mention the whites unless it's in a negative context. Even discussing white people in a neutral context gets you labeled as a potential terrorist. What are we 'learning' when they repeat the same biased narrative for the millionth time other than the system irrationally hates whites?
Why can't we learn about the mass murder and cannibalism committed by native tribes. Why can't we learn about their penchant for cutting off the ears and noses of enemy women and children? It's all about learning, right? Let us learn. Let's only ever talk about native tribes in that context, they're not little fragile babies who are too afraid to hear the truth, are they?
>You are appalled by the genocide that took place
You mean like those Canadian residential school "mass graves" that turned out not to exist? What genocide? No one even really knows how many of these Indians existed in the first place. Earlier estimates for the Pre-Columbian population of the US and Canada is a million or less, but liberal academics keep inflating these numbers over the years to give the illusion of a genocide. Whites didn't do anything that the Indians weren't already doing to each other, they were just better at it. Yes, some Indians were killed or forcibly relocated, but that's only because they were raiding the whites and refusing to adapt to a civilized lifestyle. Many also intermarried (American Indians have the highest miscegenation rates of all races). And no, just because they came here first doesn't mean that a million nomads deserve to keep the entire continent for themselves until the end of time. All land is stolen land.
Hold on one cotton pickin moment son,you sayin Ah'm the oldes frickin person on EARTH
You got to be one massive fricking idiot to go and pay to see this garbage.
I knew this would be 2deep4u homosexuals, but it was a beautiful film, very satisfying. I would compare it to Once upon a time in America (the uncut version released years later).
Exactly what I thought it'd be. I'll save my money for an actually good film like Aquaman 2.
Didn’t watch his latest crap movie with deniro, also 3 hours long apparently, not gonna watch this one. Marty is at an age where he’s just a senile grandpa used as a puppet for this woke revisionist israelitelywood propaganda. Silence was his last honest movie and now he’s dead. The end.
Are you me?
silence was a really good ass movie too
silence was great and will probably be his last truly great film. it was a good run
Scorcese is a israelite
Not exactly, he's a boomer. All boomers are cryptojews.
italians are just slightly dumber israelites. they operate in the exact same way
Is Leo killed in this one?
Dunno why but I get the Departed vibes from this.
I've seen it too and I completely agree with your review. The film is technically well directed (e.g. well shot, solid performances) as you would expect from a Scorsese flick but it is definitely bloated and a slog to get through. At about 2 and half hours in, I even subconsciously got my phone out to check the time and remembered that I turned it off (thats how bored I was).
>You know whats going on in the first 30 minutes of the movie
I would say in the first 5 minutes as DeNiro heavily implies it
No, Leo doesn't die. He goes to jail though.
The end of the film reveals that it was all just a bunch of actors retelling the events of the film and then closing out what happens to the characters after. The words "true-crime" is even used to describe the radio play which I thought was a cheap gimmick to get those people who enjoy true crime podcasters attention. Scorsese comes out and gives a speech about what happened to the main indian chick and what happened to the indians. I found it really embarrassing that the director comes out spoke to the audience directly.
>The end of the film reveals that it was all just a bunch...
Interesting that a film can be both self-self-flagellating and self-fellating.
The ending revealing that the film was just a radio play added nothing. There were no clues throughout that might have implied it was nor did any of the film's messages get communicated better because of it. For me, it felt tacked on. Like Scorsese was in the editing booth and felt that he had an underwhelming ending so he decided to shoot more scenes and add in a "BUT IT WAS ALL A RADIOPLAY LMAO" ending. I think I am correct in thinking it was added in post because none of the film's actors (that are within the story) appear in the radioplay sequence.
Scorsese coming out and speaking directly to the audience is as embarrassing as you would think. I honestly can't believe he isn't getting slammed by critics for this. Any other director doing this would be (imagine the uproar if Tarantino did this). I think people are giving him a pass because its Martin Scorsese and he's supposedly the savior of cinema.
>I honestly can't believe he isn't getting slammed by critics for this
You see Scorsese is the defender of Cinema. Critics aren't interested in critiquing his films. Just worship.
>Defender of cinema
This is the weirdest part to me. He's like a museum curator now. Imagine if Taylor Swift did an interview where she was like "Yeah Joni Mitchell's legendary album Blue was monumental. Nobody had ever heard anything like it" for five minutes. That's basically every Scorsese interview about Flower Moon. He's no longer a director.
>I think I am correct in thinking it was added in
Yeah, it sounds like Scorsese saw the movie, thought it was underwhelming and just glued this at the end to make it muh art.
>imagine the uproar if Tarantino did this
At least Tarantino would get shot in the face at the end of it.
Spoiler for the ending of the book/ the writer just drives around where the events happened, eats some food, watches some cringey re-enactment dances and broods.
This is an extremely unusual way to end the movie but I'm not sure why you're all being so dismissive of it. At least it's unique, it does sound like it has some meta-commentary on perspective and history and how art keeps it alive
How do you miss the point this fricking hard. If you think the purpose was to be a gimmicky plot twist and not a commentary on how film and media constructs history then you need to spend less time jerking off in the dalle threads.
>The ending revealing that the film was just a radio play
how can you homosexuals be THIS FRICKING moronic? no chance any of you itt actually saw the movie because it's not a fricking plot twist, it's a radio segment more than 3 decades later that was retelling the story. I thought it was a shit scene (thematically conflicting with the entire film) but you morons couldn't even comprehend what was going on, or just misunderstood after hearing someone else talk about the events of the film
So. Do you think it can beat out Oppenheimer for the Oscars?
Oppenheimer is better
Oppenheimer makes Nolan look more politically nuanced and Sophisticated compared to Scorsese. Unless, KOTF gets the woke media fully behind it, Oppenheimer will win out.
>Oscars
Better question
Who honestly gives a frick?
don't care about oscars but oppenheimer was just a better movie
no way
I felt engaged and enjoyed oppenheimer far more that this, near tot he end of this film I actually was curious about the time because it felt far too long
>The film is technically well directed (e.g. well shot
Is it even though? It kinda looked like trash to me. 99% of modern movies look like straight to streaming trash now. idk if its the digital cameras or what but the only directors I've seen make a modern movie that doesnt look like trash is Paul Thomas Anderson and I guess Wes Anderson.
>that doesnt look like trash is Paul Thomas Anderson and I guess Wes Anderson.
Hate that gay. Asteroid City just lookex garish. He's become a bigger parody of himself than Scorsese.
Truth be told, I don't understand why these old "auteurs" have become so self-conscious. Asteroid city was a play within a play and this a radio show within a movie.
I'm not really a fan of Wes either, but hes the only other one I could think of that isnt falling into that "Netflix Original" look.
I dont understand why these auteurs are doing this either. Even Tarantino was kind of doing it with OUATIH. I think the past 100 years have been the first "era" of filmmaking, and the artform demands some kind of radical formal/stylistic change to remain relevant, and none of these auteurs are capable of doing since they are entrenched in the "old ways", so they are just cannibalizing their own work and spiraling into meta self consciousness.
i hated asteroid city. wes has turned into such a hack
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Sorry, I meant that it was professionally done as in there are no mistakes in how the scenes are shot (there are hilarious mistakes in Michael Mann's Ferrari btw). The film is shot and the scenes are played out in a way that the audience can understand what the director is intending. I get the washed-out look from digital cameras but Scorsese does have some nice panoramic shots in the film.
But Mann's movie is not out yet.
There are a couple of death scenes in Ferrari that are going to be mainstays in Cinemaphile webm threads. Both are bizarrely shot in a sped-up-slow-down fashion with a rag doll of a body flying through the air. It honestly looked like watching a looney tunes cartoon or something. So ridiculous in fact that people started laughing in my screening at what was a horrible accident in the context of the film.
Having said this, I did find Ferrari to be overall slightly better than KOTFM. Ferrari is classic Mann, there are great scenes and there are bad scenes within the same film. Also it ends too early which happened a lot with his Miami Vice episodes.
>(there are hilarious mistakes in Michael Mann's Ferrari btw
anon knows. apple refused it after he brought it up them. mann has lost it. he's making heat 2 for shitflix. that's a wrap. sad.
im tired of scorsese's sadface italian midget humanistgay shit. this guy got rich only by depicting the worst type of psycho low Iq immigrant trash of his generation and making it synonymous with american life. in the future scorsese's work will be seen as a cultural corrosive. americans were too comfy when they went through their cringe af mafia=based stages. and let's not talk about who really lead the mafia in this country, murder inc and meyer lansky.
DW Griffith created gangster movies you mongoloid; it's the true American film genre like western. And the most famous mafia movies were made by Coppola.
i'm pretty sure this was shot on film, i actually thought it looked good, but they didn't shoot anything interesting, if that makes sense? i agree PTA is probably the best director around when it comes to good photography now, he often has it underexposed to make it more grainy though
agreed. if you watched the trailers and didn't get put off by the sissy instagram cinematography... you're a pleb
>Scorsese comes out and gives a speech about what happened to the main indian chick and what happened to the indians.
What the actual frick.
>Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show
LMAO WHAT, WHY
if you've seen one 3 hour Scorsese slog you've seen them all
All of Scorsese’s films with Leonardo DiCaprio are complete shit and you can’t convince me otherwise. Casino was his last good movie.
Wolf of Wall Street was the last truly fantastic I've seen
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Y-YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT EVENTS WHERE WHITE PEOPLE WERE EVIL! I-IT'S WOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so this is where we are now?
What the frick are you on about? That's every movie and TV show. Even that shit about the African female slavers tried to paint the French as the bad guys for trying to stop them. OP is just saying it's shit. At this point I don't even care if anything is "woke" or not, as long as it's good. GenV does this well, I don't think there is a single white male in the show that isn't evil, but every character is just as fricked up, not some idolised fantasy just because they're a minority.
>What the frick are you on about?
He's a moron fishing for (you)s and you're an even bigger one for giving it to him.
sorry that history upsets you. unfortunately facts don't care about your feefees
Black person
>scorsese
>dicaprio
lmao, like if I needed any sort of advice on that, they are 2 of the biggest hacks out there
>Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage
holy frick why can't these guys just retire before doing something this moronic
to be fair he's put himself in movies since mean streets
>You don't make up for your sins in church. You do it in the streets. You do it at home. The rest is bullshit and you know it.
he literally says that in voice over as harvey keitel wakes up in the beginning. also
>my wife is fricking a Black person. you ever see what a 44 magnum has done to a woman's pussy?
that said this was probably his most cringe.
>he literally says that in voice over as harvey keitel wakes up in the beginning
He was also the gunman in the final scene. He does some kind of cameo in most of his movies. Once again Cinemaphile obsesses over a single scene in a 3-1/2 hour movie, similar to how the only discussion of The Irishman here revolves around a few seconds of bad CGI.
yeah i felt like it was a weak movie but i've seen damn near all his work, a little cameo at the end was no big deal for me personally. nothing like the babylon 2001 rip off ending
Scorcese is the perfect example of a the hypocritical boomer. He benefited from the perfect time and the perfect things aligning to get him there, and all he made was wankfest wop/Italian violence movies. Now he's doing the typical libshit boomer apologist movie before he croaks.
Fricking predictable.
being a white knight on Cinemaphile wont get you laid, blueshill. also, i am not a zoomer, im approaching 40 and had my fair share.
>He benefited from the perfect time and the perfect things aligning to get him there
Almost all of the New Hollywood directors completely disappeared in the early 80s when funding dried up, or ended up destroying their legacy like Coppola. Meanwhile, Scorsese went back to his early low-budget roots and weathered the storm.
>and all he made was wankfest wop/Italian violence movies.
Those are like 10% of his filmography, moron. He's probably one of the most diverse directors in Hollywood in terms of the different genres he explores: religion, dark comedy, biopic, sports drama, period piece, musical, documentary, psychological thriller, etc. Just because you've never seen The King of Comedy, Bringing out the Dead, the Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, After Hours, Living in the Material World, The Color of Money, The Aviator, or his segment from New York Stories doesn't mean they don't exist.
>Now he's doing the typical libshit boomer apologist movie before he croaks.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but that seems highly unlikely. I think he just likes doing adaptations of true crime, and wanted to try his hands at a western.
>I haven't seen the movie yet, but that seems highly unlikely.
Drop your hero worship for a second and bother to read what people are writing. It's very much an apology movie, it quite literally breaks the 4th wall to do so. moron.
We must pay for our sins white brethren. little Italian man says we must do so.
Please deposit your healthy american dollarz into this "israeli styled" american pig purse.
Hope the lesson is learned and the tide has turning. Keep burning white man keep burning.
>At the end of the movie (non spoiler) it closes with a radio show retelling what just happened and when it gets time to recap the indian womans take Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show and retells her side in a totally defeatist and apologist attitude. He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men.
Um...what? I don't understand this. Is the radio show narrating the whole movie or something? Is Scorsese playing a character or himself? Is he talking to the audience or the other characters?
Instead of doing what most historical movies do where there is a quick text epilogue recounting the ultimate fate of all the characters, there is a live radio show where this is done with actors reading off the fates of the characters.
This is not accurate.
The ending is what this post said
>Instead of doing what most historical movies do where there is a quick text epilogue recounting the ultimate fate of all the characters, there is a live radio show where this is done with actors reading off the fates of the characters.
>make movie about the genocide of a group of natives
>LIKE WTF WHY IS THIS SO WOKE AND HAVE SO MANY BROWN PEOPLE OMG
yeah, I was never going to watch this anyways but thanks.
Scorsese is probably my favorite director, so I have been dreading this film since I first heard about it. Up until now, he just seemed to avoid race issues by making films that are almost entirely cast with whites. He would still get accused of racism, but could claim plausible deniability by saying that he was just "filming what he knows" and don't want to misrepresent the experiences of non-whites. But It's basically impossible in the current year to make a large budget movie that prominently features non-whites and have it *not* completely and thoroughly woke. Not that I really take Cinemaphile's opinion about it seriously, since zoomies are still seething that he insulted their precious capeshit.
>Scorsese is probably my favorite director, so I have been dreading this film since I first heard about it
It's a great film
>> he just seemed to avoid race issues
>In the early 70s, Martin Scorsese was tapped by Marlon Brando to direct a Native-themed project (the extent of Brando's concept). Unfortunately, Indian activist (& actor) Russell Means absconded with Scorsese's girlfriend & car. Scorsese left the project.
movie wasn't that woke it was just bad. i mean yes white dudes where killing indians but it really happened so hard to call it woke.
Who doesn't love Mr. DiCaprio?
>wipe out 2 entire continents filled with indigenous ethnic groups
>continue to persecute them in modern times even though they pose no real threat anyone
>"hey that's kinda messed up"
>WAAAAHHHHH GOO GOO GA GA YOU ARE AN ANTI-WHITE RACIST I AM A GIGANTIC FRICKING BABY WAHH WAHHH
>wipe out 2 entire continents filled with indigenous ethnic groups
The indians and Abos are still here. And the Indians weren't indigenous, they were from Siberia.
Also, I wasn't aware that there can only be one race on any given continent.
Post hand
Not that Cinemaphile gives a shit about television and film anymore anyways but if they turn on Scorsese, by far one of the only good directors still making quality movies today, it will be truly pathetic
I'll skip it and watch a based hiyao movie instead.
Stacked cast. Just saw Howl’s Moving Castle in theaters recently so it’s cool to see Bale return
Just got home. Agree 100%. What the frick how could it be soooooo boring. Nothing. Happened. No drama. No action. Nothing clever. I struggled to stay awake. And of course it’s 3 hours of white man bad
NOW GO HOME AND GET YER FRICKIN PEACE PIPE
Leo pretends to frick an old brown b***h for 3 hours lmao no thanks
Movie was great you ADD zoomer. Frick I hate this place sometimes
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage_Indian_murders
>"If that damn Ernest had kept his mouth shut we'd be rich today."
Is that line in the movie?
>Movie was great you ADD zoomer. Frick I hate this place sometimes
Just got out of the theater. I liked it.
Leo was great, the actress who played Molly was great. I'm from Oklahoma and to see it on celluloid with Scorsese's framing was surreal.
>muh white man bad
All the white men who held the murderers responsible weren't portrayed as bad, and Ernest was a tortured dumb guy who actually loved his wife and couldn't fully process how he was being manipulated. I thought the film paid reverence to the Osage people without pandering. I liked this movie a lot better than Irishman. Marty redeemed himself.
>Ernest was a tortured dumb guy who actually loved his wife and couldn't fully process how he was being manipulated.
It's a great performance. This was Leo's Slingblade.
what are your thoughts on this guy's criticism?
https://x.com/THR/status/1714135433976901796?s=20
people were running with it like he shat all over the movie, but it sounds pretty fair. he even said that Scorsese did a good job portraying the Osage
Like he says, it would've needed to be a different director to do it from Lily's perspective. Marty has to enter in through the Leo character. Also this was Lily's first film ever, right? She did damn well to pull off 2nd lead, but carrying a Scorsese film is a lot to take on.
She's been in a few movies i've seen, but this is definitely the largest role she's had. I'm pretty sure she said she quit acting until Marty called her up.
I'm glad some people understand that the dude wasn't damning the movie entirely. Seemed like his main criticism is by making Leo's character actually in love with her
>should I see it
Absolutely not. You want feathershit watch Dances with Wolves from the 80s. We shouldn't watch any movies about these people unless they're being shot and fallen off the white man's steed.
Dances with wolves is everything people accuse this film of being. Overly long, meandering, redskins culture jerk off movie. Costner has no screen presence. Overall a farcical nothing of a movie
watch the five hour director cut. you'll come 'round lil doggie.
>I wanted the movie to be from the perspective of someone else
Then a female Osage filmmaker should make that movie. The movie was about the conspiracy, not the family dynamic though it was a middling part of it.
>Then a female Osage filmmaker should make that movie.
This. That's an interesting premise for a movie. You're a housewife on a homestead and it turns out your husband is killing/complicit in killing your sisters to move their shares over to your estate. There's a movie there but it's not the book the movie's based on.
Hey shill. Wipe Marty's garlic cum out your pasty buns. Kys.
3rd act was the best part.
Im sorry, but the performances by the native actors (especially those two “elder” guys) were so laughably bad it completely took me out of the film. What is with that weird inflection they alll have?
The audio in my IMAX was awful, gonna see it in Dolby next. Can someone explain the main plot to me?
You know you got you got nice color a skin. What color would you say that is? My color. BAM BAM BAM BAM HEY! The Osage. They had, the worst land possible. But they out-smarted everybody. The land had oil on it. Black gold. Money, flows freely here now. I do love that money, sir. Hee Hee. HAAAAAAAAY AAAAAHH HAAAAAY AAAHH HAY! This wealth, should come to us. Their time is over. It's just going to be another tragedy. When this money started comin, we shoulda know it came with somethin else. They're like buzzards circling our people. We're still warriors! HAAAAAAAAAAY YAAAAAAH HAY YAH WAAAAH AAHH! I oughta kill these white men who killed my family. I need you here! I am right here. You've got to take back control of your home! I wuz uh, sent down from Washington DC to see about these murders. See what about 'em? See who's doin it. *clap* WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH! WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH! WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH! *explosion* You expectin a miracle to make all this go away? You know they don't happen anymore. WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH! HEY! WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH! HEY! WAAAAAAY AAAAAHHH HAAAAAH WAAAAY AAAAH WAAAAAY AHHH!
Lily was fine in the movie but why are people acting like she had the best performance since Joker
Because she did. Kneel.
>3+ hour runtime and 90% of it is brown women crying on purpose.
>He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men.
Reminder that despite all this, DESPITE ALL OF IT, it's still not enough and the Osaggy Tribe is calling it a white savior movie that erases their voices.
>Born in lust, turn to dust.
>Born in sin, come right in.
Unironically: Thank you, OP. I may spend my money freely, but it will no longer have a chance of being on this piece of shit.
It's one of the best films I've ever scene and I'm very much against the white guilt film industry. This happened, so it needs to be told.
I'm curious about how fast the burn will be. Will it be a slow burn? Or will it just bust out all at once?
Will film makers jump on to the Cherokee Tobacco Case as the next big topic?
It seems like the most likely outcome, but fatigue may kick in before then.
Cue the white outrage and "That was a long time ago!" refrain.
There is only one good and accurate movie about redskins. Bone Tomahawk. Written and directed by a j named Zahler who iirc is blacklisted or bagelisted by his own people for giving a job to Mel Gibson. I read interviews with him and boy is he fricking legit. He likes to explain that most redskins were cannibals and some were strictly human meat. Most of their weapons were bones, many human bones, funny how we're not taught that.
Redskins were basically America's cavemen who evolved to wander plains because they craved the "sweetest meat"
Leo kept making constipated expressions for no good reason. What the frick was up with that. Also his accent sucked as always
>Leo kept making constipated expressions for no good reason.
He may have been constipated.
a guy i know guilt tripped me into seeing this because he got drunk at a party we were both at and was talking about how suicidal hes been lately because he doesn't have friends or a good job. I wonder if it'll be too heart breaking for him if I tell him I'm gonna leave if it gets too boring and I don't wanna sit through the entire 3.5 hours
Why are you lying? On the internet of all places.
I wish I was lying so I wouldn't have to sit through a 3.5 hour movie I don't care about seeing on my weekend.
Kys frogposter
take him to a titty bar you stupid gay
>a guy i know guilt tripped me into seeing this
how long did it take for him to cum?
As another anon said, you're grown men you should be out in bars or clubs not see fricking lame onions movies.
>3+ hour runtime and 90% of it is brown women crying on purpose
Stopped reading there. It's been too long since I've been swayed by a chudrant shitting on some movie for something other than its cinematic merit.
>Stopped reading there
Me too, it was enough to convince to not watch it.
>He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men
Sounds like this was the only way he could make the movie after offending the mouse.
You thought it might be even an ok movie?
alright but are there any criticisms that are actually about the movie and not about how they hurt your feelings as a fragile white chud?
>no replies
the absolute state of chudcels
>What do you want from me? You want me to make it 2 hours?
That wouldn't be a bad idea.
Might see it tomorrow but I'm unsure and need Cinemaphile's opinion on this one. Is it genuinely a good film or does it feel overly progressive and just feel like a message we see everywhere nowadays? I don't care politically it's just that a lot of films come off as generic when it's the latter
It's good regardless of politics. Scorsese finally made a western.
the first two hours dragged ass, it needed to either be cut down significantly or the beginning had to be more explicit about the danger i had no idea if leo knew he was poisoning his wife or not until he drank some of it himself
>had no idea if leo knew he was poisoning his wife or not until he drank some of it himself
Yeah moron, that is the point.
felt sloppy to me but yeah that does seem like the point. my personal opinion it needed another pass in editing
>Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show and retells her side in a totally defeatist and apologist attitude. He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men.
frick it's real
>homosexual just speaks to the camera
so what was the 3.5 fricking hours for you fricking old hack?
christ, this butthole is making shitty afterschool specials about NDNs now
Wow wops truly are the scum of the earth what a shocker
Why do we allow wops and injuns to tell us what kino is? Why don't we have any Steve McQueens? And not that gayBlack person Oscar winner. The real McQueen.
what did you expect? irishman was piece of crap too
Is it at least visually better than The Irishman? That film had a great script, but man was it visually flat, Netflix must have a clause that forces you to make your film look like TV garbage.
It looked fantastic. Rich celluloid western feel. Loved the old school train arriving and the street racing kinetic shots too.
much better
Well that's a shame. Silence was good.
I'll wait for a proper review
I can't trust any anon's opinion with a movie if the review complains about it being woke or it being too long
Then maybe you should go back to reddıt.
Why whine about le wokeism, when you could just enjoy a picture about greed, manipulation, exploitation, and so on. this really isn't much different from other Scorsese films, when it comes to the narrative, themes, and character archetypes.
You've got to be braindead, if you think the only reason this film exists is to reprimand white people.
i'm a huge rightie and i didn't consider it woke. just a bad movie lol
>why whine about communist propaganda
Indeed, just disregard and go watch something else.
Pleb fricking filtered. 10/10 Scorsese's best work so far.
>woke
Opinion discarded. have a nice day you unironic literal chud.
What'd you like about it? I'm considering viewing
It's Scorsese+DiCaprio+De Niro in a 3hr30 crime drama epic about whites marrying Indians for oil rights. That alone should be enough to sell the movie.
Also the old timey radio production ending was kino as frick. Anyone who didn't like that is a pleb beyond belief.
Wasn't planning to ever step foot in a movie theater again, but I might actually buy a ticket to see this .... When will I ever get another chance to see a Scorsese epic western on the big screen?
>When will I ever get another chance to see a Scorsese epic western on the big screen?
Do it. Marty's love for The Searchers really comes through.
cucksese does not understand the searchers nor the character/history of ethan edwards
i'm very glad i did for whatever it's worth. not his best but as long as he makes them i'll be there opening day
>the old timey radio production ending was kino as frick
when they 1) literally called it "true crime" despite being ambiguously in the late 40s or 50s (laughable), and 2) Marty came out (come the frick on), I assumed the scene was a satirical jab at how media often turns miserable, bloody events into something corny and even inappropriately mundane. HOWEVER, Marty's line about Mollie's obituary "having no mention of the murders" makes it clear—this scene is 100% serious, it isn't satirical, and we're supposed to take it seriously.
what a fricking whimper of an ending.
>Opinion discarded
Movie discarded.
The focal point of the film is the discrepancy between greed and morality. It's mostly a film about exploitation and how far you're willing to go for some momey. Leo's character is really only used as a puppet, and it just so happens that Indians are a part of this narrative.
The only woke thing about this flick is that there are browns in it.
All I care about is Brendan Fraser. Give me the summary of his part.
He's the attorney defending De Niro's character in the final hour.
I have to wait 2 and a half hours just to get to him? Frick. Might wait for streaming and just to skip 2 hours in for a 90 minutes Fraser movie. Do you think I'll be able to understand what's happening?
No. Just watch the movie m8
just pretend jesse plemmons is brendan fraser or smuggle in some playdoh
Jesse Plemons is only in it for the last 30 minutes too
You have a horrible sense of time. He came in at the exact middle of the movie (2hr15m) in and he's in for the latter half of the movie semi-regularly.
I watched it last night. I actually liked it, but it's just way too long without any breaks.
>muh tulsa race massacre
lmao these israelites and commies are shameless, just the total dnc stooges and clowns
there was an extremely autistic guy 2 seats away from me in the theater who kept yelling "NO, FRICK" whenever anyone was about to be whacked. at one point he spilled his remaining popcorn all over the ground and began to pick it up before realizing the futility and sitting back down.
that was me
what the FRICK was the purpose of this character? he got to be front and center in like 7 scenes and he did absolutely nothing
Wasn't he acting as an informant? He was with the police in several scenes.
He paraded around with the FBI but we never even saw him experience / see something that could be informed. the fact that there were so many scenes with him in the center makes me thing the editors (Apple lmao) fricked up majorly, where he was supposed to actually do things, but they cut it and only left the glamor shots
The editing was kinda weird around his character certainly but I'm curious if this will be Scorsese's first director's cut release. It's clear they shot a lot more than what we saw.
imagine paying $20 to watch people who look like chud this in a room with people who think he looks "authentic." stay home watch brigette bardot before they make it illegal and send you to reeducation camp.
>imagine seething, coping, and soiling your own juicy ass
Between this and Exorcist Believer I am beginning to wonder if certain directors aren't bending the knee because some really bad shit is about to go down and they need to do extra for entrance into what comes after. Not that Scorsese should need to but who knows how such a game is played. This movie is like a sabotage of his career and no one will give a shit about anything that comes after. Frick him. Americans are destroyed meanwhile our Little Ally gets billions, won't stfu, and their nepobabies in racially stringent rich private schools talk shit to every white person
Thank God this is going to bomb and have a F exit score watch
Need Scorsese to opine on Israel-Palestine then he'll be cancelled like De Niro just was for attending IDF fundraising events
I feel like the only time Cinemaphile has accurate opinions is shitting on capeshit because every movie that is actually good is just ppl here with being a contrarian as their personality or some diseases pol user shitting on it
You clearly want to defend this movie. respond to this
I'm going to the theatres tomorrow to watch it
>A Martin Scorse Picture
What if he got robbed then knifed by a New York guinea gorilla. How would the press cover it lol
>3+ hour runtime and 90% of it is brown women crying on purpose.
No it wasn't, I was actually surprised at how little there was, and how little screentime the indians get in general. It's mostly Leo being the middleman between his uncle and various hitmen hired to kill the indians and fricking it up.
>how little screentime the indians get in general
>indians
Indians are from India. You are referring to the First Americans jsyk.
>The Cutthroat Gap massacre occurred in 1833, "The Year the Stars Fell" in Oklahoma.[1] A group of Osage warriors charged into a Kiowa camp and brutally slaughtered the women, children and elderly there. Most of the warriors of this group of Kiowas, headed by Chief A'date (IPA: [ɔ́ːtɔ́ːtè]) or "Islandman" had left to raid a band of Utes or had gone bison hunting.[2] The camp was left mainly unguarded and when the Osage came, the Kiowas had no choice but to flee. The Osage killed approximately 150 Kiowa people and took their sacred Tai-me (IPA: [thã́jmẽ́]) medicine bundle and two children captive.
Im supposed to feel bad for these people??
Going to see this with some buddys later.
Is it just le white people evil for 3 hours?
Definitely don't see it alone. Movie sounds like it will rile up Black folk.
You know what's funny? Now we got to watch out for Native Americans. Here they come. Because DiCaprio told em they are owed prizes.
If this movie was good, the goddamn MSM would probably be neutral if random scalpings of whites started back. Go to the movies, see a white girl getting fricked by a black. Get up to leave. Stumble over some Mexican's homemade cheese dish. Get scalped in the aisle by a 10th generation Indian. Last words you hear, Marty Scorsese
>The white men needs to apologize not only to the world's indigenous peoples but to God himself, the God of Las Vegas and the Zohar, not the white god of yesteryear. I know the Pope.
Jews are the baddies in this movie how can you people not like it
>https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/interviews/martin-scorsese-killers-flower-moon
cucksese is a devious, insidious manlet bolshevik, who fundamentally does not understand The Searchers
How can anyone sit in a movie theatre for 4 fricking hours. Insanity.
>Martin Scorsese himself gets on stage at the radio show and retells her side in a totally defeatist and apologist attitude. He literally gets on a stage in his own movie and decrys white men
that sounds fricking awful
Guys I really think Indian girls are nice am I doomed?
>Scorsese movie
>bad
Yeah no shit
>there are people who throw incel tantrums because someone in the past did a thing
Why? You weren't involved; you didn't do the thing; and, no, you aren't directly-affected. Calm down with the anger issues and possible narcissism.
Thank you for your service, anon :_:7
Who is worse, Martin Scorsese or indians, at this late stage?
I should have added that I'm relieved Martin Scorsese will collapse and die before America will.
Truly the most overrated spaghetti imp. Does he play "Gimme Shelter" during the rain dance climax of KotFM?
S
The Irishman was trash even with the "star studded" cast. At this point, Scorsese is like 90 years old. How much mental energy can he have left?
This movie made me realize that the Pioneer Woman's whole fake career was funded by generational wealth coming from this shitshow.
nice chudtake
>in white majority countries, you cannot even mention the whites unless it's in a negative context. Even discussing white people in a neutral context gets you labeled as a potential terrorist.
Baby movie
>baby friendly sessions
I can't imagine what a mess those are.
>clean it up, wagie!
>movie ends with marty kneeling in real life to suck the dicks of drunk natives in a reservation shack
wtf marty
Marty has to bend the knee after putting down capeshit
what I don't understand is that marty is italian...so why the frick does he pretend to be racially guilty?
"white" guilt transcends logic
movie was good. it dragged a little bit around the middle but picked up when jesse plemons lawman character was introduced. there was no scene quite as engaging as hoffa being driven to his doom in irishman. i think i prefer irishman slightly more to this.
i didn't feel the movie posed many questions with ambiguous answers. does ernest love molly? yes, the movie makes that clear. is earnest's love for molly compromised by his corroboration with murder? yes, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love her, and he commits his final lie in the courtroom when he says there was no plan to take advantage of molly's family by hale before their marriage as if to prove to the audience he really does love her. as if we didn't already know that.
maybe the most interesting thing about the latter half of the film is that molly does not push ernest to testify against uncle hale. still trying to figure out her angle in letting ernest come to that choice himself, the most she does is neutral to negative facial expression when ernest tells her he is going to protect his uncle. the final pre-radio show scene, where ernest can't bring himself to say he poisoned her with the rigged insulin shot and she leaves him forever, was a pretty good ending to their relationship though i felt.
> i think i prefer irishman slightly more to this
SHUT THE FRICK UP!!!!
Scorcese and DiCaprio both suck