It was like 95% completed when he died so probably not much different. The movie makes it seem like it's a "lost masterpiece" when in reality it's basically complete.
Not him, but TC > DC by a mile
DC: >sluggish pacing >had Salieri accuse Mozart of being a pedo making us lose all sympathy for him >extra scenes with Stanzi not that great
the breasts scene also makes you lose sympathy for Salieri, in the theatrical cut it makes sense that he stops just short of going so low as to drag Mozart's wife into their feud and it shows he still has some restraint left in him
It also makes more sense for Salieri to go 'now god and me are enemies' right after he sees how much of a genius Mozart is. Not after he gets to see some boobs.
That's offset by the fact that he comes to regret dragging the wife into it and turns her away. Regardless of how it effects the viewer's sympathy, it makes basically the same point but in a different way.
no, the theatrical cut shows that he just brushes her off after she asks for help, in large part because the musical she showed him were flawless and he was jealous. The only negative with the theatrical cut on that scene is that later on it doesn't make much sense for her to be so angry with Salieri when he shows up
I disagree. The who saga of Salieri's gaslighting and character assassination is great. In the theatrical cut you just get some exposition to fill in the blanks and it doesn't really paint a full picture.
>The leads performance was atrocious
?
Salieri was phenomenal. Mozart was perfect (a goofy manchild with an annoying laugh). Jeffry Jones was good. The only bad actress was Mozarts wife.
She was great as the weird cop woman on the John Larroquette Show, one of the great sitcoms of the 90s nobody seems to remember anymore. Also was the finale girl in Tobe Hoopers The Funhouse
There was some romcom type movie I always saw on cable a lot in the 90s starring her Sandra Bullock and Rae Dawn Chong, one of Sandra’s early movies before she was super famous
>Marcel Carné, who headed the jury of the festival, was going to award the Golden Lion to the film, but Tarkovsky was one of those who opposed such a decision, writing: >"Eight Oscars - and so mediocre. Everything about it is so mediocre. Salieri's characterization is terrible, despite a decent performance. Not a completely worthless film, but very much lacking in humanity."
>Marcel Carné, who headed the jury of the festival, was going to award the Golden Lion to the film, but Tarkovsky was one of those who opposed such a decision, writing: >"Eight Oscars - and so mediocre. Everything about it is so mediocre. Salieri's characterization is terrible, despite a decent performance. Not a completely worthless film, but very much lacking in humanity."
Based and factually correct.
The movie is burger "we need muh rivalry" moronation. Read up on the actual Salieri, they were more or less on bro terms with mozart, with some friendly rivalry in-between. Salieri actually respected Mozart a lot and wrote about it.
He's right because Mozart's music carries the film. He's wrong because there's more than one way to skin a cat. There's nothing wrong with building a film around music. The criticism is actually half-hearted because in order to recognize the film's mediocrity, you must first acknowledge that it dazzles the audience with a basic Mozart mix.
Amadeus is special not because of script or performances, but because it's an ambitious redefining of genres. The confidence to knit classical music, bio-fiction, and period drama into something entertaining. It's representative of the 80s, when things got slightly more meta. It reminds me of a James Cameron film, but livelier and more interested in its subject matter.. Titanic in particular is the same kind of film.
Making a classical-musical-biopic-drama successful is noteworthy in itself. There's some Griffithean impulse to personally expand the horizons of big budget filmmaking. It received plenty of critical praise and Tark didn't want it to be overrated, but there's no doubt it's a good and influential film.
IMO the 60s-70s were peak cinema but very narrative driven. The 80s started tapping into more irony and meta filmmaking, so Amadeus fits in next to something like Commando (1985) or The Princess Bride (1987)
>ITS NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE THEREFORE=BAD IM ALSO A troony IS ANYONE ASKED! OFF TO DILATE NOW
Nice wojak images anon. It's kinda ironic considering it's always types like you seething about historical accuracy, and with works where it actually matters i.e. a historical piece, completely ignoring and even defending it.
Amadeus is literally just another stone in the character assassination of Salieri but hey at least historians aren't as moronic as you.
>Nice wojak images anon. It's kinda ironic considering it's always types like you seething about historical accuracy, and with works where it actually matters i.e. a historical piece, completely ignoring and even defending it.
>Amadeus is literally just another stone in the character assassination of Salieri but hey at least historians aren't as moronic as you.
The only good music biopic casting was Richard Burton as Wagner. Thomas Edward Hulce was good for Amadeus but not a good Mozart.
>considered one of the few roles deserving of late Burton's talent >various other great actors like John Gielgud, Ralph Richardson, Lawrence Olivier and Vanessa Redgrave >was shot by the master cinematographer Vittorio Storaro, who did the cinematography for Apocalypse Now as well as The Conformist >everything shot on scene, meaning filmed authentically to where it took place >considered a masterpiece by some, glowing reviews from everyone >very funny >8 hours of content >originally conducted by Solti
I hate women
Keyed
What would requiem have sounded like if Mozart survived?
more fart noises
It was like 95% completed when he died so probably not much different. The movie makes it seem like it's a "lost masterpiece" when in reality it's basically complete.
yeah, it was pretty good.
the 2 best performances ever
Theatrical beats Director's version though.
Absolutely not
Not him, but TC > DC by a mile
DC:
>sluggish pacing
>had Salieri accuse Mozart of being a pedo making us lose all sympathy for him
>extra scenes with Stanzi not that great
the breasts scene also makes you lose sympathy for Salieri, in the theatrical cut it makes sense that he stops just short of going so low as to drag Mozart's wife into their feud and it shows he still has some restraint left in him
It also makes more sense for Salieri to go 'now god and me are enemies' right after he sees how much of a genius Mozart is. Not after he gets to see some boobs.
That's offset by the fact that he comes to regret dragging the wife into it and turns her away. Regardless of how it effects the viewer's sympathy, it makes basically the same point but in a different way.
Doesn't the TC end up implying he fricked her, which which would be a hell of a lot worse
no, the theatrical cut shows that he just brushes her off after she asks for help, in large part because the musical she showed him were flawless and he was jealous. The only negative with the theatrical cut on that scene is that later on it doesn't make much sense for her to be so angry with Salieri when he shows up
>missing breasts
I disagree. The who saga of Salieri's gaslighting and character assassination is great. In the theatrical cut you just get some exposition to fill in the blanks and it doesn't really paint a full picture.
Ragtime is KINO
6/10
Amideus
Masterpiece.
It had too many scenes.
Pretty bad isn't it. The leads performance was atrocious
>The leads performance was atrocious
?
Salieri was phenomenal. Mozart was perfect (a goofy manchild with an annoying laugh). Jeffry Jones was good. The only bad actress was Mozarts wife.
One of the most contrarian opinions I’ve ever seen on this board
love the movie and has to be one of my favorite posters too
holy kino
magnificent in every way
God she was so fricking amazing. One of the hottest actresses I've ever seen
very cute
Major qt
Cutie
I would do terrible things with that powdered wig
Good lord, you're not going to WEAR it!?
>she will never call you Wolfy
The boner I popped finally seeing her big nips after years of only seeing theatrical could have been used as foundations for a house. A large house.
weird she was never in anything else much notable
she's not a good actress and there are plenty of big titty women out there
>there are plenty of big titty women out there
Name 5
She was great as the weird cop woman on the John Larroquette Show, one of the great sitcoms of the 90s nobody seems to remember anymore. Also was the finale girl in Tobe Hoopers The Funhouse
There was some romcom type movie I always saw on cable a lot in the 90s starring her Sandra Bullock and Rae Dawn Chong, one of Sandra’s early movies before she was super famous
She made a hot Estelle Getty in the Golden Girls The Musical episode
If you enjoy her watch The Funhouse. It's the only horror movie I can recall where the very first thing the lead actress does is get naked.
Why didn't Amadeus frick Mozart's wife?
>I give you my chastity! cuck me! Cuck me, O Lord!
What did Salieri mean by this?
Hold the phone, Tone! This song's got too many notes in it!
>Rock me, Amadeus
Walked out right there
I just played Steins;Gate 0 and it made me want to watch this because of all the references to it
Utter dogshit movie for american manchildren. Every single thing in this movie, every theme and character, is an infantile caricature
Horrible taste
>Marcel Carné, who headed the jury of the festival, was going to award the Golden Lion to the film, but Tarkovsky was one of those who opposed such a decision, writing:
>"Eight Oscars - and so mediocre. Everything about it is so mediocre. Salieri's characterization is terrible, despite a decent performance. Not a completely worthless film, but very much lacking in humanity."
what was his problem?
grumpy russian man with terminal cancer
Directors love taking pot shots at each other, especially europeans.
pure Salieri level jealousy
All of his opinions are correct
"It insists upon itself"
t. Tartarsaucesky
Based and factually correct.
The movie is burger "we need muh rivalry" moronation. Read up on the actual Salieri, they were more or less on bro terms with mozart, with some friendly rivalry in-between. Salieri actually respected Mozart a lot and wrote about it.
makes great kino but was a typical Cinemaphile contrarian irl
Jealous loser. Tarkovsky never made a good film.
He's right because Mozart's music carries the film. He's wrong because there's more than one way to skin a cat. There's nothing wrong with building a film around music. The criticism is actually half-hearted because in order to recognize the film's mediocrity, you must first acknowledge that it dazzles the audience with a basic Mozart mix.
Amadeus is special not because of script or performances, but because it's an ambitious redefining of genres. The confidence to knit classical music, bio-fiction, and period drama into something entertaining. It's representative of the 80s, when things got slightly more meta. It reminds me of a James Cameron film, but livelier and more interested in its subject matter.. Titanic in particular is the same kind of film.
Making a classical-musical-biopic-drama successful is noteworthy in itself. There's some Griffithean impulse to personally expand the horizons of big budget filmmaking. It received plenty of critical praise and Tark didn't want it to be overrated, but there's no doubt it's a good and influential film.
Yeah it doesn't feel like an 80s movie it feels a decade or two ahead of its time
IMO the 60s-70s were peak cinema but very narrative driven. The 80s started tapping into more irony and meta filmmaking, so Amadeus fits in next to something like Commando (1985) or The Princess Bride (1987)
The piano instruction scenes in the Director's Cut ruin the pacing of the movie. The Theatrical Cut is tight and perfectly paced.
>The piano instruction scenes in the Director's Cut ruin the pacing of the movie. The Theatrical Cut is tight and perfectly paced.
>can't even properly link a post
I wonder what other internet board you're from?
>I wonder what other internet board you're from?
Nice wojak images anon. It's kinda ironic considering it's always types like you seething about historical accuracy, and with works where it actually matters i.e. a historical piece, completely ignoring and even defending it.
Amadeus is literally just another stone in the character assassination of Salieri but hey at least historians aren't as moronic as you.
Lmao nobody would know who Salieri was if it wasn't for Amadeus
>Lmao nobody would know who Salieri was if it wasn't for Amadeus
Burger education strikes again
>ITS NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE THEREFORE=BAD IM ALSO A troony IS ANYONE ASKED! OFF TO DILATE NOW
czechs really know how to make a fricking movie
>Nice wojak images anon. It's kinda ironic considering it's always types like you seething about historical accuracy, and with works where it actually matters i.e. a historical piece, completely ignoring and even defending it.
>Amadeus is literally just another stone in the character assassination of Salieri but hey at least historians aren't as moronic as you.
Holy kek the wojakposter just can't stop
>Holy kek the wojakposter just can't stop
Reddit is shit
The only good music biopic casting was Richard Burton as Wagner. Thomas Edward Hulce was good for Amadeus but not a good Mozart.
>considered one of the few roles deserving of late Burton's talent
>various other great actors like John Gielgud, Ralph Richardson, Lawrence Olivier and Vanessa Redgrave
>was shot by the master cinematographer Vittorio Storaro, who did the cinematography for Apocalypse Now as well as The Conformist
>everything shot on scene, meaning filmed authentically to where it took place
>considered a masterpiece by some, glowing reviews from everyone
>very funny
>8 hours of content
>originally conducted by Solti
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