Honestly I can’t take the woe is me shit from super model mutants seriously.
God like power with no downside? Can easily blend into a crow because they don’t have any obvious mutations?
Honestly I cant take the woe is me shit from super model mutants seriously. God like power with no downside?
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you could have posted this in any of the other threads about this fricking show clogging the catalog
The ugly ones were made ugly deliberately in canon prior to Morrison.
>a boy looked at me and told her mom
He transitioned as they turned to her mother.
Problem here is Rogue has her own issue with being a mutant. Also Kurt and Beast have been shown to be very popular with women. It's the blue fur.
Kurt is a wise-cracking whirlwind with an interesting accent and the ability to magically swipe you off your feet. No shit would he have takers.
But looking at the actual ugly duckling mutants, yeah. They're just normal people, but weirder. Some of them would maybe qualify as special needs.
But that's why they're not X-Men. Who are basically battle-hardened shock troops with godlike powers.
If all mutants were that powerful, they wouldn't have problems with being hunted down by angry civilians.
>I can't touch other people vs people scream and run away when they look at me
Not a contest.
Being second most tragic doesn't mean you don't suffer.
Also: Is it worse when people are scared of you when they don't need to, or when they aren't but they should be.
Imagine a child touches Rogue in public. Rogue surely does. Beast doesn't have that problem. He can run around barely dressed and doesn't even look any wilder than with clothes on.
>can never touch people without killing them vs getting to touch people that don't scream and run away
No matter how low the number is, it's better than 0.
Also if we're being fair Beast's fur is the result of a science experiment.
Has the Beast ever shaved himself from the blue fur? The experiment impacted other aspects of his physical body, making him more animalian, but to what extent? I mean, Hypertrichosis is just a real-world disability that people have had to deal with for centuries.
All these furries throwing themselves at Kurt and he still just wants to frick his sister.
>Also Kurt and Beast have been shown to be very popular with women. It's the blue fur.
Anon, plenty of women want to mate with giant monster men that could kill them. There is just too much fiction and real life mate choice to deny this.
And Magik doesn't really count, her dark side, where she has probably also unfortunately put her sexual desire, wants to mate with demons and monsters
Anon the last panel has all the weird looking guys and two of them are actually popular with women. That’s it. We’re not talking about monster fricking. Just the fact that Kurt and Hank don’t fit there in that panel. I don’t know how to explain the problem with that comic any better.
Mutants are grouped together because they have a common trait that manifests in a myriad ways.
And they absolutely do group themselves internally into various categories by kinds of abilities, power levels, the ways they look etc.
And in a world where there is a value-neutral method of switching off the mutation, it should absolutely be made available on a voluntary basis.
Yeah, Storm has a different idea of whether her mutation is good than Rogue has about hers.
But telling "I can't touch anything" girl that's not an option is being a dick.
"Also" being the operative word.
He can live a largely normal life with his glasses.
He doesn't have to be Blob.
But to reduce the mutants to their powers as a source of trauma just ignores all the ways their life is hell for outside reasons. You know, losing children, getting cloned, being mindraped, being hunted for sport...
That stuff should just break you.
Let's put it this way, blob could kill someone if he rolls over on them in bed but cyclops kills the building if he scratches his nose and knocks his glasses.
Blob can at least get a TLC show or be a Brendon Frasier vehicle. No one cares about Cyclops' personal life just that he doesn't look in their direction.
I think the more pressing problem is that he should, on every level, understand how mutants are dangerous, not just to regular people but also themselves. Yes he CAN wear his glasses and live a normal life. But the problem here is that he was lucky. Xavier found him and gave him those, presumably, expensive ruby quartz glasses. And on top of the cost factor let's not forget the technical know how to understand how his specific power works and what could stop them. And I bring this up because the major point is that given how mutant powers develop unpredictably not every Eye Laser Man is going to have an Xavier or an X-men team there to pick up his problem and solve it. There could be countless people out in the world, across the globe with dangerous powers like this and the X-men won't even know about it cerebro or not. And even the ones they can find are a small percentage of the total populace.
Deaf people are moronic with this though
I've wondered where this comes from, and I honestly think it comes down to sign language.
Deaf People effectively having their own language creates a sort of insulated sense of community and identity that they liken to race. if someone gets surgery to be able to hear again, then they see them as a race traitor. if someone proposes a cure for deafness, that person is proposing genocide to them.
which obviously is wrong, but they aren't gonna see it that way. it's kinda weird to me, imagine if someone told you there's a sense you've never experienced that many people have, wouldn't you want to know what it's like, just out of natural curiosity? You arent sacrificing any piece of your identity if you gain a new sense. but they see it that way, because as far as they're concerned, their inability to hear is a core facet of who they are
Unlike a lot of disabilities deafness don't really have a functional impact so to the Deaf talks about getting cured come off as condescending. Plus cochlear implants are relatively new, expensive, require invasive surgery, have inconsistent success rates and results, and don't work for all types of deafness so there is naturally going to be some pushback against the promotion of what many Deaf would consider a non-necessary surgery.
it's really more like "imagine if most of the world told you there's a sense you've never experienced that many people have, and also you're inferior and broken for not having it and have to be fixed into having it, even if you're doing fine without it"
She's not wrong, per se, but within the disability analogy, Rogue is the person with fibromyalgia and a bend spine being told by the girl whose a high functioning autistic who earned a PhD back in the late teens that there's nothing wrong with her.
Plus, all of this misses the actual moral crisis of the movie's plot: Is curing the mutants whose powers are a genuine risk to themselves and other worth the danger of it potentially being weaponized by those who wish to wipe out all mutants period. Are you willing to tell people whose rights you're fighting for to continue suffering because YOU base your identity solely on the thing that makes you have to fight for those rights to begin with?
I'm heavily deaf myself and I say the following without condescension: the capital-D Deaf community, quite literally, don't know any better. It's not a putdown. I mean that sincerely.
Capital-D Deaf is a result of being fully/functionally deaf from birth or a young age, which means having to learn how to sign and lip read, which means only being able to communicate with other people who also sign, which naturally leads to an incredibly insular and self-dependent community where the vast majority cannot hear and, moreover, do not need to. And I believe on a historical level, there's also a defensiveness around the community stemming from the way in which fully deaf kids were handled and educated until (IIRC) relatively recently last century.
If some doctor were to tell me they've just found a cure for deafness, tinnitus, and everything in between and would I like to try it, I would take it there and then and worship them for the rest of my days. If the same doctor were to approach a Deaf person, who's grown up and lived their entire life having used sign language, living completely without any sound, that person will most likely refuse.
This is because hearing is not in their frame of reference. They have no personal, innate understanding of sound the way you or I do, beyond vibrations. If they've been deaf from birth, they will have never heard music, or someone else's voice, or birdsong. Their whole life they've used sign to communicate, which most, if not all, of their relationships are entirely reliant upon, alongside various other methods to compensate for their total lack of hearing, and this works. So not only is hearing, as a sense, beyond their knowledge, but they are reluctant to change what already works. These Deaf people literally do not know anything better. They don't know what they're missing. They fundamentally can't.
It's as if there were an echo chamber inside Plato's Cave, except they can't hear the echo.
Cyclops was the original mutant whose power was also a curse.
Has it even been explained what would happen if someone just removed Cykes eyes? Like do the punch dimension beams come out of the eyeballs and removing the eyes would blind him but remove his powers so he could live a normal life as a blind guy if he REALLY wanted to?
Don't forget, between robotic enhancements and magic (which have both been shown to give the blind their vision back, even without 'eyes' in other Marvel comics) he wouldn't even have to be blind.
>Like do the punch dimension beams come out of the eyeballs
They do, I recall Mr. Sinister having, or someone stealing from Mr. Sinister, a gun that had ammunition in the form of a bunch of cloned Cyclops eyeballs.
Yes, but I’d assume you’d have to nullify his powers to do it safely. Before the 2000’s, it would’ve been possible for him to temporarily drain his body’s energy reserves by firing off a bunch of beams. But nowadays, his body’s reserves are so large, or at least absorbs ambient energy so quickly, that firing off a continuous beam for too long will result in him not being able to stop and eventually kill him as shown in pic-related.
Wouldn’t let me post a pic in incognito
>What was that? Sorry mom, Jean was making pay attention to... something else.
Was this the scene which gave Bendis the idea of randomly making Iceman gay?
Maybe. But people have been making "Lol Iceman's gay" jokes for decades for the fact he looks like he's going out into battle wearing nothing but his underwear and for having shitty luck with girls. Hell, even Family Guy was making jokes about it. There's still days I'm shocked that people are basically proclaiming a Family Guy cutaway gag is progressive character development.
It didn't help that his very first appearance was loudly announcing that, unlike the rest of the X-Men, he had zero interest in Jean Grey or any girl.
go frick yourself you moron
getting a condom blowjob from Rogue must be interesting.
>Everything is fine until she gets a little too into it and deepthroats you all the way to the hilt and her lips touch your belly
>Next thing you know Scott and Logan are carrying you down the hall while he entire mansion is watching and laughing while you get dragged off to the X-infirmary
>Frickers didn't even put pants on you
>Rouge still sucked your dick so it's worth it
Reminder that there is an entire community of mutants living in the sewers across the US because of how much their powers suck.
Not anymore. They got a whole like housing complex/town in like Arizona. Unless it got fricked up in Fall of X
you know, to REALLY drive the anti-bigotry theme home, why not an X-men comic about the Morlocks?
Because general audiences don’t want to read a comic about ugly people. A major appeal for not male and female readers is “ooh, so and so character is so hot”. That’s why in manga you see this shit devolved down into having names for every character archetype. It’s cynical, but that’s how normies are.
>Morlocks are supposed to be made up of some of the ugliest mutants, and mutants with some of the weirdest powers
>Their leader is an actual Super Model, and her powers are just enhanced senses
Are all mutant organizations like this?
>Are all mutant organizations like this?
Humans are. For whatever reason they like to make tall or attractive people leaders. Halo effect is real. Sonis heightism
pic for ants
Better?
L-R
>A wizard
>Irish dock worker
>Irish dock worker
>East Village resident
>AN ACTUAL FRICKING MORLOCK
>homeless Lenny
>80s Punk
>80s Punk
>Desaad; Right Hand of Darkseid
>An actual mutant
>Someone's big boobed aunt who works at a diner, but somehow never married
>80s Punk
>Homeless granny
They're actually a better looking bunch than those Reddit meetup pics that get posted.
>supposed to be so hideously deformed they're immediately identified as mutants and unable to be even seen by normal humans
>almost all of them look like average homeless people
If it helps Krakoa revealed that Xavier and Moira intentionally let the Morlocks be outcast and let Sinister genocide them as part of their experiment to unifying mutants into krakoa eventually
The Morlocks were never the "ugly" mutants or ones with weird powers. They were an outright cult jerking themselves off about being mutants and the Other and had as an initiation ritual Masque intentional fricking up part of your appearance to mark you as a Morlock.
Xavier logically would have need to find and study Scott's powers first before he could create the glasses. And on a side note, ruby quartz isn't a thing; rubies are corundum, not quartz.
>we demand to be take seriously.
Beast is blue and furry because he tested chemicals on himself and Nightcrawler doesn’t care
>Professor X
>I want to show humanity to accept super powered mutant individuals by giving them a good education and upbringing to make them great members of society
>Also professor X
>I will not take those filthy ones living in the sewer.
Which x men series (comics/cartoons/shows) have the most focus on the mutants with the weird and shifty powers?
Milligan and allred's x-force/x-statix maybe?
Post the 'i was i was human' bit from xman 97
*wish
I'm tired of the oppression olympics. I want to see different forms of discrimination, like corporations and political parties pandering to mutants to curry their favor.
Mutants are a big enough voting block
Sounds like a dumbass plot for any actual stories, but the potential executions do amuse me. Commercials with a happy white family and Uncle Mutie. Bonus points if instead of a real mutant they just badly cgi powers. Seems like something The Boys could pull off.
I want to make mutant-chasers a thing in-universe. An entire group of people looking for sex with a X.
Fang-Bangers was the best term to come out of True Blood.
Remember when Callisto's disfigurement was fixed by Masque and she and Colossus fell for each other and it was super sweet and then she got reverted in like half of an issue by another writer and hasn't spoken to Colossus once since then? I fricking hate superhero comics.
Get some help, you whiny b***h.
wait she was callisto
>i never noticed
This comes to mind. You bet there'd be lots of people totally into weird-looking (but not destructive) mutants.
Weak shit. But that being said while Beast and Nightcrawler probably have a type....so? Like do you think cripples like it when someone with a wheelchair fetish gets really gassed up about their wheel chair? Those people with Gary Coleman's disease want to be with people who are using them as a loophole?
You take what you can get, bro.
>Why isn't there human boy x beast girls pairings?!
>Actually, there is.
>NOT LIKE THAT REEEEEE
Internet is really a IQ drain.
Most kemonomimi are just normal women with black dots instead of noses.
Because generic anime girl with fur & cat ears isn't remotely close to an actual Beast
A boy... HER mom. For crying out loud.
Bad translation, as it's from a Brazilian site so the original clearly was in Portuguese. In fact, in Portuguese there are two ways to say that line; in the most 'formal' way, the gender depends on the object (the person who's being spoken to) rather than the subject (the person who is speaking).
>mutants are still hated even when they don't look like glob herman
I hate when casuals talk about stuff they don't understand.
Morrison missed the point
Mutants being their own species is literally moronic
Good thing they aren't then, no matter how much they insist otherwise
They are though. Like, literally.
They’ve even introduced a new species for Human Mutant hybrids.
By scientific definition, they aren't. The X-gene being active in a bunch of people doesn't make them a separate species, at best it makes "homosexual Superior" a sub-species of "homosexual Sapiens" in the same way Inhomosexual supremis, homosexual immortalis, homosexual descendus, homosexual mermanus, and homosexual insectus are all off-shoots of humanity that look freaky and different to the normies but still qualify as human despite them wanting to be special in calling themselves Inhumans, Eternals, Deviants, Atlanteans and Spider-Queen.
And if you try and bring up the Neanderthal, they've been reevaluating that and turns out that they might have been a subspecies of larger humanity and thus not really too separate either.
By scientific definition, a lot of comicbook things aren't possible. The point here is, you as the reader, no matter how stupid and insulting it is, are meant to accept that they are indeed a separate human species. This is very, very, moronic, but that's what the writer is trying to say.
Saying "aha, this can't actually be possible!" doesn't matter. In fact, that's it's actually impossible is partially why it's so fricking stupid. But it's still what Marvel is saying is true within the comicbook universe.
No, anon, the real problem is the assertion that mutants are a separate human species is provably false by the comics themselves. Even if we ignore the evidence that mutants can still have 100% normal human children, the general consensus among the heroes was that mutants ARE humans, but with an 'extra' power, and thus no less human than the Fantastic Four, Hulk, Captain America or Spider-Man. The guys asserting that mutants are a separate and inherently more dominant species from humanity were the BAD GUYS, jackasses like Magneto and Bolivar Trask. You know, guys who are shown to be extremely delusional and paranoid by the narrative itself and thus not to be taken as fact?
Like frick, even the goddamn Sentinels, the premier mutant-hunting robots, have always loved reminding people that mutants are humans, which is the precise reason they always decide to interpret their programming in a way that allows them to take over humanity and/or destroy all the mutate superheroes at the same time as they kill the mutants they were built to hunt down in the first place.
I always wondered why some villain didn't go up against Cyclops wearing 'ruby quartz' armor.
Oops, sorry. I'm letting a bit of IQ intrude on an X-men thread.
Pretty sure someone did, you snide little toad
Doesn't Cyclops have Neo style knowledge of martial arts thanks to all the psychics in his life?
weak bait
Not as far as I know. But then again, it wouldn't really make him cooler if he did.
No, but he is implied to have super spacial awareness, meaning that he would just need a couple of minutes to know how to angle a couple of punch lasers to hit them in the back of the head.
I feel like he could reasonably aim for the head here with little trouble.
He doesnt even need to aim. Just do a wide spread and the bits that arn't Ruby Quartz get blasted.
At least twice, one time it was disposable goons.
I'd argue this sorta helps the minority stand-in. "Passing" or being "one of the good ones" is a known troublesome thought process among people with biases. People who "don't hate blacks but hate Black folk" or "don't hate gays but hate the homosexual ones". People who can respect women but not b***hes, hot crossdressers but not disgusting trannies. Trouble being, at the end of the day no matter where you are on the ladder, you've still got the flames climbing up your way. It doesn't matter if you get respect because you "act straight" if gay marriage is still illegal. It doesn't matter if people see your race as human if they still think it'd be vile for your races to mix. Sure the main X-Men have cool powers and didn't get a genetic trainwreck in the looks department but life is still hell if they live in a "Death To Muties" world. "At least you can hide it" is never a satisfying consolation prize, many people can tell you.
This just reminds me that the last time they dealt with anyone who pointed something like that out in the comics, it ended with Wolverine punching out a dying old japanese man in a fancy wheelchair
At the end of the the X-Men are the, beautiful people who have appointed themselves rulers of mutantkind. Also while your line of thought is valid, it's equally argued to be a reductive reasoning that pigeonholes group membership to stereotypical behaviors and responses from out-members.
Well the end case will always be that the X-Men can't be a proper stand-in. "Evil" black people or gays can't shoot lasers and mind control government officials, so such oppression narratives always crumble.
Ultimately you can't have a power fantasy and oppression narrative at the same time because it makes one or the other ring false.
>Ultimately you can't have a power fantasy and oppression narrative at the same time because it makes one or the other ring false.
American Christianity wants to have a word with you
Not in the slightest.
I'm non-white and I can safely say that's an attitude that can be displayed within any group. Whites have disdain for white trash, blacks have disdain for hoods, and I'm damn certain Asians and other groups have their own stratifications.
That's my attitude towards people in general, just get along, don't be shitty, and don't try to attribute shitty behavior as intrinsic to your group's identity, it does nothing but bring everybody else down.
Whoever made this comic seems to be the kind of person who believes attractive girls can't be bullied
>Whoever made this comic seems to be the kind of person who believes attractive girls can't be bullied
Attractive girls get bullied as much as nerdy or ugly girls. Women hate women that stand out. The entire plastic surgery industry feeds off this. It's why perfectly normal looking women get nose jobs and breast reductions. They all want to look like the same average woman
This shit always makes me think of Forget Me Not I think his name was? Like how he can't make any kind of meaningful relationship because everyone forgets him as soon as he's out of their immediate field of view. Like I'm sure he'd want a cure. Even Xavier had to stick a psychic alarm in his head that occasionally reminds himself that the guy exists.