Honestly one of the most respectful and cute sequels to any Disney film, alongside Cinderella 3, 101 Dalmatians 2, and Return to Neverland
Honestly one of the most respectful and cute sequels to any Disney film, alongside Cinderella 3, 101 Dalmatians 2, and Return to Neverland
What about King of Thieves? That's a good one, even if Aladdin 2 was shit
Beat me to it. I can’t remember anything about 2, but I distinctly remember sitting in my grandparents basement watching king of thieves. I swear I can still smell the old blanket and everything. I thought the turtle island was the coolest shit, and then Aladdin’s dad ditched him with Iago. What a bad ass
>I swear I can still smell the old blanket and everything
That sounds so kino
Dude, Lilo and Stitch 2:Stitch has a Glitch.
People are critical of that one from what I hear, and I don't know why, it's pretty good. I will admit though, it's not as good as the first Lilo and Stitch
No one talks about Leroy and Stich
Was that the movie that was essentially the launching point for the show?
No, that was a different movie. Leroy and Stich happened after the TV show (as all of the different experiments help stitch fight all of the Leroy clones.
Ah ok
All the sequels of the classic age Disney films were decent. They did well reintroducing the movies and updating them for the current times.
In contrast, all the direct sequels of the Renaissance films are bad
>all the direct sequels of the Renaissance films are bad
This is honestly true, the two Little Mermaid sequels and the Second Aladdin film is ass.
Extremely Goofy movie, however, is a very good movie, and honestly deserved a theatrical release
Don't forget the horrendous Mulan sequel and the borderline cheating/cucking Pocahontas sequel. Extremely Goofy movie is based but I will say that it aged worse than the original mostly because of the extreme sports gimmick. It reminds me of when I watch a clip of Rocket Power today and realize how cringe their lingo was and that was suppose to be the trend back in the early 2000s. . .
>Extremely Goofy movie
The charm of it's time is a feature, not a flaw. Makes me wonder if zeppelins are still used at all.
I thought you were gonna say they asked you for about tree fiddy.
I think it's more about the voice acting direction, like a bit forced cutesy and not very natural. But that kinda fits the original.
>like a bit forced cutesy and not very natural
I can kinda see that with Thumper and Flower, but Bambi, Faline, and Ronno, and a few side characters have natural-sounding voices to me.
I think its because the classic age films were really one and done and left alot of room to be expanded upon, hence why Bambi II and the Cinderella sequels work so well because it's building the world and characters that weren't explored much in the originals.
Meanwhile the Renaissance films had a lot more character and personality to them which helped in making them iconic movies but this was also bad in terms of making sequels since the original films did so well in terms of telling a complete story on their own, they really had nothing much to go off of when making the sequels.
All of the scenes with Bambi and the Great Prince are cute, I love Father-son bonding moments in movies
same
I haven't seen Treasure Planet in a long time, does the main character and that guy ever mend their relationship? I think they hated each other toward the end of the movie
Jimbo lets him get away, if I recall. He helped beat the badder guy or something.
Ah yeah I remember now
This movie, along with 101 Dalmatians 2, must have been some passion project for someone at Disney studios. I legit think Bambi 2 and Extremely Goofy Movie should have gotten theatrical releases
It probably was
where's this from?
I think it's from a making-off documentary
That background was used in "101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure". The image explains how the people making the sequel mimicked the look of the first movie.
I don't know the exact source, but I'm guessing it's from a making-of documentary that probably was included on some DVD or Bluray release of the movie.
Yeah, it's from a behind the scenes that I ripped from Disney+. I think is now on youtube.
Man they put so much work into this film, it should have been shown in theaters.
For Dalmatians 2 there's this curious piece of information that I found. They didn't want to just use a more standard digital style with colored lines because they wanted to respect the original art style but when they worked using black line art they thought it made the movie look cheap. It was then that the japanese artists came up with the idea to intentionally make the lines more sketchy to simulate the pencil look of the original film, they did it even though it meant extra work.
i did notice the sketchy lines, it made it look messy but it remind me how neat they looked like Sword in the Stone
These, IMO, are the best Disney sequels
>Bambi II
>The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
>The Lion King 1 1/2
>101 Dalmations 2: Patch's London Adventure
>Cinderella 3: A Twist in Time
>Aladdin and the King of Thieves
>Tarzan II
>Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
>Stitch!: The Movie
>Return to Neverland
>must have been some passion project for someone at Disney studios.
It definitely was at least for Bambi II. They put a lot of effort into attempting to recreate the art style of the original movie digitally.
I mean, Return to Neverland actually released in theaters unlike most other disney sequels, so
>No Scamp's Adventure
It's a legit good sequel tho
Never seen it
My scamps adventure enjoyers
my homie
People really rag on Scamp's Adventure for some reason, it's an actual good films
Lion King II has a better villain song than 1 and I will die mad that people refuse to recognize this.
endless amounts of cat sex.
>Tarzan II
was SHIT
Tarzan 2 was good, it was fun getting to see more of him as a kid
They had like 30+ something Tarzan books they could have used to make a sequel. Some of it was used for the show.
the show was fun too. I mainly remember the dinosaur stuff and the leopard queen lady tho
But it had George Carlin in it tho
>I legit think Bambi 2 and Extremely Goofy Movie should have gotten theatrical releases
In some places Bambi 2 did get put in theaters, namely Australia. I assume it didn't get released in theaters elsewhere due to it being at the back end of the Disney Sequel bender so they assumed most audiences would have written it off and not gone to see it.
agree
The animation is also really clean and they did a good job making the background art look similar to the art in the original movie
What does this face try to convey?
angy
His reaction for when you say some dumb shit
"Why is it so salty?"
Disgust or disdain.
of what
The people who post this shit
But it's based
He's upset your tiny dick didn't fill his stinky skunky anus.
This entire scene reminded me a lot of the Mother 3 thing where Lucas sees his mother's ghost in the sunflower field, and both scenes honestly had the same impact on me
I never thought about it like that till now, anon...
Jesus Christ
Why did you have to make me feel depressed today
🙁
>"I'm always with you, even when you can't see me"
Is THIS what they referenced in Bluey?
References to Bambi and other major Disney films can be found everywhere
The feels are just too much
Yes
>mfw "I'm here"
The scene with Man using the deer call and it sounding like Bambi's mother is the most disturbing shit to me. I screamed at Bambi internally to get out of there once he stepped out into the meadow
Yeah imagine how utterly fricked humans are as a concept in a world where animals actually are all rational-souled creatures.
We are to them what skinwalkers are to us, but worse. Imitating the cries if someone in need of help, or a prospective mate. Leaving false trails to make you search for your missing kin. Putting up effigies of your kind and slaughtering anyone that comes near them. Hell, imagine being a great plains creature and seeing literal mountains of Buffalo skulls, or a deer seeing a bunch of wild boar literally explode from a tannerite trap. These weird bipedal creatures literally summoning thunder without lightning.
Would make for some good horror. Imagine what domestic animals would think of humans or other wild animals that roam free.
Man I'd love to write something about that but I don't know when I'll get the time to.
To the animals, Man must be Devil incarnate.
Just the thought of being a deer and hearing the disembodied voice of another deer, one tat sounds kinda like your own Mother or friend, only to find out it was Man leading you to your death must be horrifying.
>We are to them what skinwalkers are to us, but worse
I couldn't have put it better myself
Wasn't it also revealed that the Man, or even Men, we see in both movies are poachers? They kill Bambi's Mother while she is still with him, which I'm pretty sure is against the law.
The fact that there were people just killing animals for fun out there, and the animals knowing that something sinister is out there as more of them start to drop dead, is a scary thought.
Yeah, while doe can be killed in some states in the present day, IIRC at the time of the film he was definitely poaching by killing Bambi's mother.
Imagine not only living in the woods where these portents of doom lure the innocent away never to be seen again, but also learning (and with no way of distinguishing) that some of these entities kill you or a friend and simply drag the body away and disappear and others kill or mortally wound your kind and then just frick off as leave you for dead. Or cut off your antlers (which you drop anyway later in the year) and leave
Just having your antlers cut off is much more preferable than being mauled by dogs and then shot, and being left for your family and friends to find your headless corpse because Man took your head to put on his wall.
Yeah, but the issue is you have absolutely no idea when you step into range of a human if you're going to be that lucky.
Yeah, true. It must be terrifying, getting caught in the meadow by man and having to hide, when you were able to play there and frolic all day without trouble the day before.
And that's not even including car collisions and the like. Though at least with hunting seasons you have "low risk" times for worrying about Man.
Car collisions are a whole other thing
Imagine seeing your friend get completely destroyed by some massive armored beast without effort
Ironically one of the only times a deer might see that man are mortal if the deer goes through the windshield
There was a deleted scene where Bambi and the Great Prince see a dead human, and the Great Prince says something like "There is justice after all" but it was cut for being "too graphic"
I wonder if that would be more or less frightening, knowing the demons are just beasts of a greater forest.
All this discussion about how deer would see us reminds me of Watership Down. That book did a great job getting inside the mind of a tiny prey animal that's afraid of everything and lacks the ability to comprehend humans or their machines. Like when Bigwig explains how roads and cars are lethal at night, or when Holly watches as the excavators tear apart the field, or when he sees a train speeding past him for the first time in his life.
In the modern day deer are more knowledgeable of humans, 3 of them once got into my backyard while I was doing some online college work. It was a pretty chill moment, just two different species just going on with their days
That's kino
Yeah, I don't know the exact hunting laws that the setting used to have, but the fact they shot a mother with a fawn says a lot. They must've seen Bambi and known about him, but they shot his mother anyway. And apparently tried to shoot either Bambi or his parents earlier in the movie as well.
I thought the way they were shooting seemed pretty indiscriminate too. Different prey species require different kinds of guns and hunting tactics, so hunters usually seem to choose only one specific animal species that they're hunting, instead of just shooting at everything that moves (like birds and deer near the ending of the movie).
They weren't good enough to hit their prey in one shot, either; they kept missing. And they caused a forest fire. They were absolute shit at hunting.
>They were absolute shit at hunting.
It's because they weren't hunting, they were poaching. They don't care how many animals they kill or how much damage they cause, as longa s they get their sick kicks
This might just be me, but having Man appear like this kinda makes him lose the impact he had in the previous movies, where he was an unseen force that everyone knew to fear and actively flee from, and one tat caused them to freeze up or be made paranoid at just the mere mention of him
Man/He in the book is even more deranged as it focused more on Austrian hunting practices at the time. And they were more prone to doing the old sport-like way of hunting: Several men traveling together and just gunning down whatever moves, using dogs to find what they kill. You get both hunters as singluar threats, usually they are hunting deer, while others go in groups to hunt birds and whatever else they find.
One bird during a major hunter scene begs the other birds not to fly as they know it will be their doom, but the fear gets to him and he tries to fly. He gets shot down like the others.
>that DBZ moment when gods become just another thing to beat up
This. Bambi may be a cute movie with talking animals, but once that Jaws-like set of notes starts to play, you know something fricked up is about to happen
>We are to them what skinwalkers are to us
When you put it like that, it makes it all the more disturbing
Reminds me of that pasta about what a wolf would think of a borzoi.
More?
I’m sorry, I don’t think there is more.
I agree with the wolves
Borzois are frickin weird
>in a world where animals actually are all rational-souled creatures.
I know they say that animals don't have souls but they do.
Rational souls are a type of soul. Animals (In Christian and also I think Platonic philosophy) have what's called "Sensitive souls". They can respond to stimuli and even interact with the world but cannot reason.
Actually, double checking it, that's just Christian philosophy. In Plato's theory of the soul, only Men are complete souls. When a soul is degraded/corrupted, it goes down the ladder of spiritual degradation with each reincarnation. Basically it works like this:
>Men - Complete souls
>Women - Men that screwed up in a previous life
>4 legged animals - Women that screwed up in their previous life
>Snakes
>Fish
>etc
And you can go back up the tiers towards being a man with suitable divine reward.
>christianity
>reincarnation
wut
Some sects of Christianity believe you can be reborn after death in a new body
The reincarnation bit is Plato's theory of the soul. The difference in quality of souls between rational and sensitive is the Christian part. Separate theories of soul, sorry, I didn't make that clear.
That's pretty metal, dude.
They specifically got the VA for Bambi's mother to do the deer call voice, too.
whoa
Is Cinderella the only Disney character who understands animals without having the ability to hear animals speak English?
No, Penny could understand Miss Bianca and Bernard in The Rescuers
Penny was kinda hot ngl
Big porcupine wiener
tf
flower's husband
But Flower is based and got a gf t the end of Bambi, so
His gf was a trap
I wonder why they made Thumper so resentful of his sisters for most of the movie, when he wasn't really like that in the original
Probably to give him sort of conflict in the story?
I honestly don't know either, just figured it was a plot device
Did he have sisters in the original
Yes, but they only appeared a couple of times
>Return to Neverland
Shame there wasn't some tie in, in C&DRR
>C&DRR
Thank God there wasn't, that movie was ass and I'm glad it didn't defile RtN in any way
They probably had no clue it exists.
Post more highlights of these movies, I have this webm of Dalmatians 2.
This is still the cutest thing to me
🙂
curious to see bambi becoming the father he wished to have, is such a cute scene
Why did they do it?
Flower and the Porcupine don't even interact in the movie where tf is this coming from
They look like your average gay couple
Honestly, not wrong there
the buck has been broken
People will ship anything, man
Welcome to cartoon fan spaces
And it's based
>Porcupine X Flower
>not Bambi X Ronno
YOU DUN GOOFED
both
both is good
>Bambi X Ronno
Ronno and Bambi aren't for shipping, but I would like to see a hate-frick between the two
Look up SigmaX. He’s got you covered.
Sassy boi
He desperatedly need a dicking
That's the face he'll make when you ask him to
>"Uh-huh"
When was the last time he had sleep
5 days ago
what is bambi anyway? like a goat?
He's a White tailed deer you bozo
Find your mother
Find your father figure
What the frick was his problem?
He was learning to be a brave boi
>that tapole who actually learns to growl
>later on he's still doing it as a frog
It's the small jokes.
>I mean, Return to Neverland actually released in theaters unlike most other disney sequels, so
They still acted like he had been thrown away since the original movie. Also that movie was probably written by a bunch of stoners with no attention span.
did any of them follow the book?
The original film did somewhat, but I'm not sure if the Sequel did.
Doesn't really matter, Disney basically owns the rights to Bambi now. i think they bought it from the original author when they were making the cartoon movie
The sequel adapted scenes the first movie didn't, but the story in general was new.
neither follow the book super accurately. It gets the base concepts, but it also fluffs things by making about half the movie about Disney's OC characters. The original book was mostly about the deer, the deadly yet beautiful forest, and their relation with He.
The second movie takes some parts of the second half of the book for content. Key scenes would be the Father/Son bonding (Some translations make it clear the Prince is Bambi's father, while others make it more ambiguous.) and the deer call scene. Ronno meeting Bambi as a kid was also in the book, but Ronno was not as much of an butthole in the book and there were far more deer characters in general, like poor Bogo and Bambi's bi-curious crush Karus.
They also failed to add the important part of the Prince showing Bambi a dead human, to prove that He is just as mortal as any animal.
>We will never get a book accurate Bambi film with the beautiful themes and showcasing the cold realities of nature
Disney often does this with most of their movies based on other stories, so was that really a surprise to you?
Atleast the first film and sequel are still really good and somewhat based on the source material could be worse, could be like Pocahontas, where basically nothing about that film was historically accurate
Its especially cruel here because Disney fricked over Felix and his family so hard with the license. Guy didn't even get a choice in the matter since he sold the license to one guy for like $1000 to get enough money to get out of nazi germany, then that guy sold that license to Disney at a profit with Felix not seeing a dime. Guy barely made ends meet and died sick and delirious only a few years after the movie game out.
Then later they erased the fact that the film was even based on a book. They more or less erased him from history outside of Germany of Austria, at least with Disney's other movies the original books are well known enough to still have a following. Not so when it comes to Bambi: Many think it's an original disney film now adays and are not even aware the book exists. It's a goddamn crime since the original book is wonderful. I hope to find a translated copy of the sequel book he managed to make at some point.
It wouldn't be so bad if other Bambi films could be made, like with Jungle Book, but Disney has a death grip on that cinema license. And with a remake of Bambi on the way, I doubt we will ever get a proper film true to the book.
>Many think it's an original disney film now adays and are not even aware the book exists
This is the case with a lot of Disney movies, like Fox and the Hound, Chicken Little, and a few other films. Things like that happen when a big media company makes their own interpretation of a story, it is more recognized
Fox and the Hound I'd give you, but everyone knows the original Chicken Little story. Little Mermaid, Hunchback, Tarzan, Jungle Book, Alice in Wonderland, all of these films still have their original book counterparts that are known as classic literature. And more importantly, all of these books have been interpreted in film by other filmmakers and studios.
Bambi has the unfortunate fate of its soul having been sucked out by Disney. They made sure no one else could make Bambi in the world of film, and the only way I could see a film adaptation be done would be to make one as a mini-series. Even then I'm sure Disney thought of that too.
Yeah it was confirmed before covid hit. They could make it more like the books, but I doubt they will. Odds are they will just do a 'subvert expectations' sort of remake: Like having Bambi rescued by some woke animal rights activists and have it focus on those humans as they go and try to find the single big bad evil hunter that killed Bambi's mom. Also probably make the Prince of the Forest think those humans are totally cool, and also do a fake out and let Bambi's mom live as a copout ending.
>Odds are they will just do a 'subvert expectations' sort of remake: Like having Bambi rescued by some woke animal rights activists and have it focus on those humans as they go and try to find the single big bad evil hunter that killed Bambi's mom. Also probably make the Prince of the Forest think those humans are totally cool, and also do a fake out and let Bambi's mom live as a copout ending.
The fact that this is a probable situation makes me very depressed
I could care less what bullshit they put in it, what is the point? These remakes make them o fricking money because nobody watches them, haven't they learned their lesson? Guarantee you it's just the original movie but in live-action, completely taking away the charm the original has
Why was he so mean
He wanted to seem cool in front of Faline so he could get her to like him, and was a dick to Bambi because she was his friend and not his
I thought ronno was gay
He tried to kill Bambi in the original so he could rape Faline
>remake
Oh God please no
>And with a remake of Bambi on the way
Why the frick are they remaking Bambi? What the frick is the point?
The Bambi novel is now in the public domain. NYRB Classics is releasing a new translation this upcoming September.
>Newly retranslated, this elemental novel about danger, loss, and coming of age in the natural world was the source material for the classic Disney animated film.
>Bambi first came out in Vienna a hundred years ago, the work of Felix Salten, a Viennese litterateur, journalist, and man about town, and was an immediate success with readers. An English translation soon appeared with an introduction by the Nobel Prize winner John Galsworthy and was widely and well reviewed. Later Walt Disney made his famous movie of the book, and as a consequence Salten’s intimate, delicate, poetic, and gripping tale of forest life, a book that captures both the calm and the disquiet of the animal world, has come to be thought of as a children’s book. Bambi is certainly a book that children can enjoy, but it is also a moving and lasting contribution to the literature of the natural world. In Damion Searls’s new translation the fawn Bambi and his mother, the groves and thickets of the forest, the open and dangerous space of the great field, the ever-present threat of the human—the whole intricate weave of life and death that Salten handles so deftly—all come alive for a new generation of readers. Paul Reitter’s afterword discusses the surprising political readings to which Salten’s fable of the woods was subjected.
The novel is public domain, but- Wait hold on, the Bambi film IS public domain now isn't it? It became public domain along with the Winnie the Pooh movie
Holy shit a Bambi film accurate to the books is possible now!
Tell that to the buckets of money the Lion King remake made, along with every remake they've released in theaters so far still making a profit overall. It doesn't matter how bad they are, nostalgia bait is all they need to keep idiots coming back to these poor imitations.
But with the original movie now under public domain, we might see some proper bambi films in the coming decades be made.
I think disney still owns the rights to their movie. I tried to watch it online and found nothing. Nothing is stopping some else from making a hand drawn water color animation close to the book.
Yeah and they can keep that film, that's fine. The key part is that other films can be made now.
In the original books Ronno had a chip on his shoulder because he got shot in the leg as a kid, survived like a badass, and now walks with a limp. Even so, Ronno and Karus were friends Bambi liked, with Karus he outright states he loved him.
Though like all deer, once they grew up the three split apart and became rivals.
Karus was totally a homosexual pretty boy deer based on his description. Ronno was at least somewhat a homosexual.
how did they get away with this
Shit edit is shit
>Guy didn't even get a choice in the matter since he sold the license to one guy for like $1000 to get enough money to get out of nazi germany, then that guy sold that license to Disney at a profit with Felix not seeing a dime
I don't see what's wrong with this, Felix sold the property to someone who, in turn, also sold it. Why would the guy who sold his property see any profits from it?
It took advantage of him in a desperate time, and he never saw a dime of the film's profits, no royalties at all, because the rights were re-negotiated without Felix present to forego them. That in of itself was a huge dick move.
His family later managed to fix this error in the contract in the 70s, but that was long after Felix himself died and saw nothing for his creation. At the very least, his family managed to benefit from it.
I mean, I suppose it was a bit shitty but Felix still sold it, whether or not he wanted to. It'd be like if Steven Spielberg sold E.T he first made it, and was surprised when he stopped making money from it
Yeah and it's fine that he sold it. It was more that once it was sold over to Disney, he lost all the benefits he could have had from the initial deal which was underhanded as frick. Basically Disney used a loophole in copyright that claimed Bambi was not published under US Copyright law, as it was published in Germany, which required no declaration of copyright as it was already supposed to be established upon publication (Disney did not give a frick though. Even if it was under US copyright already by 1926, Disney took advantage of the fairly new law at the time since Felix was stuck in Switzerland) and used that as a means to have no legal obligation to pay royalties to Felix.
This was why Felix saw no money from the film, and why his wife and daughter sued Disney for copyright violations and managed to win 20+ years later. They lost a frickton of money and Felix died poor due to Disney fricking with copyright as they are prone to do.
>Basically Disney used a loophole in copyright
Ah, so same as always, huh?
As they are prone to. But this time it was less a loophole and more pretending Felix's copyright didn't exist in the US, using earlier German publications as their 'proof' of that, even if the english translations had a copyright put onto them already.
Yea that's bullshit
While the Bambi film is a true marvel and very well-made, it's creation involved some shady shit, man. I had no clue
Disney is very good at covering their tracks, because explaining how underhanded their deeds are required me outright explaining the court cases to you before it made sense.
This is also the same reason they started removing Felix's name from the movie by the 70s, as a means to further keep Felix out of public thought so people wouldn't question what happened to the author. They erased the man from history to make themselves look good.
And don't get me wrong, the movie IS well made. Walt specifically wanted to make a bambi film because he wanted to translate the beautiful prose of the book into picture, which is why the watercolors and backgrounds of the film look the way they do. Even if Disney was shitty to the creator, they gave a lot of love to his creation. They just like to pretend they made Bambi all by themselves now to avoid getting into how badly the fricked over the author.
Yeah, and it wouldn't be the last time they did something like that, I'm sure
Did they do a similar thing to the author behind Fox and the Hound
>Did they do a similar thing to the author behind Fox and the Hound
As far as I know they did not, mostly because the author was American and an established writer, thus way harder to weasel copyright around. They just bought the film rights from him when the book won a major literature award in the late 60s.
Daniel Mannix was already a successful author at that point, as he's the guy who wrote Those About to Die/The Way of the Gladiator, which was such a popular book it remained in print for 30 years and was used as the basis for the Ridley Scott movie, Gladiator.
Guy also traveled around the world and raised exotic animals with his life and died at the ripe age of 85. He got to live an adventurer's lifestyle so at the very least it seems his story turned out just fine.
Ah ok. I personally love Fox and the Hound a lot, is the film accurate to the book atleast somewhat? I have never actually read what the movie was based on but always knew it was based on a prior literary work
Oh man, not at all. The disney version is drastically different, and the book has a pretty heartbreaking ending.
Tod is chased throughout his life until he literally dies of exhaustion, Copper collapsing right next to him after the final chase near death as well. The hunter is paraded as a hero for catching Tod due to the foxes being blamed for a rabies spread, but soon enough the fame leaves, and he returns to drinking and depression. He's told he has to go to an old folk's home as he ages, and he finally agrees.
Crying, he takes his shotgun from the wall, leads Copper outside, and pets him gently before ordering him to lie down. He covers the dog's eyes as Copper licks his hand trustingly.
Jfc he kills Copper at the end?
Yep. Can't bring your dog to the retirement home, it seems
Also, they don't meet as pups like in the film (Which was the best part of the Disney film I admit. Having that relationship is really what makes the film work), but the Hunter does murder Tod's kids with gas while Tod keeps elusively escaping Copper and the Hunter. Tod and Copper's relationship is like a master thief and a detective playing cat and mouse, with their relationship building around that. Chief dying is still the main driving point between Copper and Tod, but this time Chief is the younger, new dog while Copper is the Hunter's favorite that feels threatened by Chief's presence.
>Which was the best part of the Disney film I admit. Having that relationship is really what makes the film work
It definitely has more impact, especially when it echoes their vow to be friends forever at the end of the film, shit also makes me tear up a little
Yeah the book is much simpler in terms of themes, but that's what made the book appealing at the time, as it was told from the perspective of Tod, Copper, and the Hunter, so we see the world as they see it. It feels more 'realistic' in how it plays out, while the disney movie makes the theme more based on what society makes you compared to who you were as a child. Both are just fine adaptation wise, and while the movie is more well known than the book, the book still got plenty of recognition at the time and the author moved on to make some great works in the future. I can't really be upset about any of that.
Bambi? Sure, Disney can and should rot in hell for what they did to Felix and many other creators, but Fox and the Hound surprisingly turned out ok for everyone, creatively.
Mannix had a crazy life. Along with being a wild-life collector and a successful author, he also was a naval lieutenant, a sword swallower, a stage magician, a bird trainer and a photo-journalist. Instead of focusing on a specific niche, his books covered a wide range of topics such as animals, hunting, the navy, sideshow freaks, Aleister Crowley, torture, and the Atlantic slave trade.
Dude sounded like a chad
Shit this made angry.
I loved both books.
Give them a go guys.
A lot of Disney movies based on pre-established stories are very disconnected from heir source. Atleast with Bambi, a lot of elements from the book made it to the film.
>but it also fluffs things by making about half the movie about Disney's OC characters
Thumper is a great addition to the story though, same with Flower
I'd disagree. They are cute, sure, but their whole existence in the movie is specifically to distract from the actual plot of the film. All of their scenes could be replaced with the more important book scenes of Bambi learning about the world through his mother and nothing would really change.
There was a Thumper equivalent in the book, the kind Hare, who acts as a cheerful uncle in Bambi's early years. He even had a son and wife! He loses wife and son in gruesome deaths to hunters and dies tragically, showing how even the most cheerful of animals can be broken by the looming threat of He.
Apparently his dad was supposed to be in the movie. Based on where his story was going to go, I kind of wish they kept him in.
>A predecessor to both Thumper and his never seen but often referenced father, Mr. Hare was inspired by Friend Hare from Felix Salten's original book 'Bambi: A Life in the Woods.' Mr. Hare was well respected in the woods as the head of a large family and a gifted philosopher and storyteller, traits which may have inspired Thumper's father's frequent moralizing.
>In one early draft of the script, he is constantly trying to tell Bambi a story, but keeps having to run off to avoid a fox before he can finish. Towards the end of the movie, Mr. Hare is shot and admits to Bambi that it wasn't really that good of a story right before he dies.
It is sad we never see Thumper's father, the only time that he appears that I know of is in some one-off children's picture book, the type of shit you read to little Timmy before bedtime
what if the porcupine is his father
his sisters are brown
Whoever the porcupineposter is, can you stop being autistic? Please?
i love you too thumper
>They are cute, sure
Thumper is one of the cutest characters in any cartoon movie
Sex with flower
>Return to Neverland
What's wrong with return to Neverland
People say it's not a good movie sometimes, when it's actually quite good
>People say it's not a good movie sometimes
First time I'm hearing this. Then again I've watched the movie soo many times as a kid. Wendy's kidnapping is still one of my favorite animated moments
Why is Ronno so bad at everything
he's an edgy bottom b***h
He seems like he could probably pull fawn booty if he would stop being a narcissist
He's just moronic
whoops forgot subs
Now that the dust settled, was he a pedophile?
No just an butthole
tfw when they're twitterpated
Cute scene tho
Man just LOOK at this animation. I miss when Disney was good.
This entire sequence is amazing.
The colors and animation is beautiful
And beside that, the idea that Bambi was willing to sacrifice himself to save Mena, especially because she uttered the same words his mother did before she died, is amazing. He didn't want another doe to die at the hands of Man, not on his watch. Bambi using the skills he learned from his time with his Father shows he has grown as a character.
Bambi is such a complex character and it's amazing that we can see his development throughout both movies.
>the idea that Bambi was willing to sacrifice himself to save Mena, especially because she uttered the same words his mother did before she died, is amazing
Yeah, that's how he manages to get over it. That was pretty damn good. Also the fact this movie had more of a story to it.
The first Bambi had a pretty good story too, I do like movies that tell stories with minimal dialogue. It's just as good now as it was then.
>That's how he manages to get over it
Yes. You can see his face change as soon as she says "Keep running, don't look back!"
He remembers that his mother said those words exactly before she was killed. He couldn't, and wouldn't let Mena suffer that same fate.
I dunno, when I watched the first movie, the story just felt like "lots of shit happens over a long period of time".
I guess, but it still tells a pretty profound story, much like the sequel
That scene with the dogs stalking in the long grass is so good
bump now that Cinemaphile works again lmao
There was an old comic that adapted the sequel. I never got to read the actual sequel book, but my library's database says they've got a copy. I guess I'll need to check it out. I'm currently in the middle of reading the first book, and it's pretty good so far.
I would love to see Bambi and other characters interact with like, wildlife protection rangers more. Teach them that not all Men are evil and out to kill them.
I hear comics like these are still running in places like Europe, despite some of them being 40 years old sometimes lol
That squishing effect
everything working?
Fun fact: Deer have become a natural reservoir for COVID and have even developed their own variants and spread it back to humans, meaning it's never ever going away unless you drive deer (and other animals) extinct.
Nobody cares why are you bringing up the coof in a Bambi thread? Don't derail threads homosexual
I'm surprised that Disney has never released a Bambi 3 featuring Bambi's two children, like Lion King 2. I'm still hopeful that they'll release a Bambi 3 for Disney+ (actually I'm surprised they don't take advantage of it for release new sequels of their movies in 2D, just like it was during the VHS days). In fact there is already a sequel book they could adapt: Bambi's Children.
Probably haven't done it yet because hunting is such a natural part of life (poaching isn't but w/e, maybe the poaching aspect makes China feel called out lmao) that doing hyper-realistic animals running for their lives and being emotionally devastated by hunting might make for bad press.
Also reading the thing about humans basically being demons to wild animals, Australia intentionally released rabbit smallpox after studying it for years with the hopes of eradicating all the rabbits in Australia. And they killed 80% of all the rabbits with the plague they released. And then, when the rabbit population started recovering, they released rabbit ebola.
>And then, when the rabbit population started recovering, they released rabbit ebola.
Geez
They barely had in-house qualified 2D animators anymore, they just started training some. I'm not even sure how they did it with Lion Guard.
To be fair, the rabbits kinda deserve it, because they’ve caused major damage to the ecosystem and agriculture.
IIRC they stopped producing DTV sequels not too long after Bambi 2. Dumbo 2 got cancelled midway through.
Makes sense, the DTV sequels were mostly the cash grab strategy back then until they acquired Marvel and Star Wars made that strategy redundant. They make terrible live action remakes now though. . .
I would rather they released new 2D sequels on Disney+ than live-action remakes.
musicana
Bambi general when
would be pretty cool but I highly suspect the threads are gonna eventually gonna delve in NSFW territory. much like some of the Chip 'n Dale threads.
What did they mean by this?
Is that an official render?
it is
How much Bambi porn is even out there? I know people like to draw tem anthro and shit but like, surely there's not a whole lot of them as feral animals
..right?
>How much Bambi porn is even out there?
Very little for thumper or flower which is total bullshit
Frick deergays
There is a 99% chance that people who draw Bambi porn are zoophiles
Or pedophiles since they usual draw Bambi as a child in the lewds
Ive seen some really good stuff.
The ending scene where he tells his friends he's gonna go hang out with his dad sticks with me. Very rarely you see a Disney movie have a happy father son ending.
It's also cool to see Bambi with his antlers coming in, he's grown so much throughout the sequel film, not just on the outside
First Sign of Spring is such a good song too
I've seen people criticize the voice acting in this but like, most of the original VAs for the first movie are old and dead, so what else where they supposed to do?
Also the direct to dvd label means they didn't invest as much as they would usually, like getting Patrick Stewart to voice the dad was already pretty good considering he was still doing X-men movies at the time but other than that they could only get TV actors at best.
Yeah, Patrick Stewart did so well in that film. All of the VAs did as well, they aren't perfect recreations, but they did well enough
flower is gay
Why did he pull a cute b***h at the end then?
it was a trap
Ah yes, the typical excuse
Shouta cope is always funny
It was the 40s do you really think they would make him openly gay
No, because he isn't gay
true he's a gay
threesome with bambi, his dad and ronno
>His dad
Incest is wincest
Skinny dip by Sigmax
soul
he's cute..
This poor mf got braped on, can you believe it
haha
Why was he a mindless beast?
The dog in the original book got a heartbreaking scene near the end after he corners the fox. Here's the exerpt:
>Through snow and bushes, through roots and twigs there came, jumping and creeping and sliding, the old fox.
>Immediately after him the dog broke through. It was a very small dog on short legs.
>One of the fox’s front legs was broken and just above the break his fur was ripped open. He held the broken leg high up in front of him, blood was spurting from his wounds, his breath was wheezy, his eyes were staring far ahead because of his horror and the efforts he was having to make. He was beside himself with terror and panic, he was confused and exhausted. He swung round in a swiping movement, which startled the dog so that he stepped back a few paces.
>The fox sat down on his hind legs. He could go no further. He held the shot foreleg up in a way that was pitiful, his mouth was open, sucking in his cheeks he spat at the dog.
>He, though, was not quiet for a moment. His high, shrill voice now became fuller and deeper. “Here!” he shouted. Here! Here he is! Here! Here! Here!” He was not shouting at the fox, at that moment he was not speaking to him at all but was clearly calling to somebody else who was still a long way away.
>Bambi and the elder were both aware that it was Him whom the dog was calling.
>The fox knew it too. The blood was now gushing down from his breast and into the snow and built up a gently steaming, scarlet stain on the icy-white layer.
>The fox seemed to be having a mild fit. His shattered foreleg had no strength in it and it sank down, but when it touched the cold snow a burning pain shot through it. Arduously, he raised it up and held it, jittering, in the air in front of him.
>“Leave me alone ...” he began to say. “Leave me alone ...”. He spoke quietly and imploringly. He was very dull and disheartened.
>“No! No! No!” the dog threw back at him in a malevolent howl.
>“I beg of you ...” said the fox, “I can’t go any further ... I’ve had it .. just let me go ... let me go home ... at least let me die in peace ...”
>“No! No! No!” the dog howled.
>The fox begged him even harder. “But we’re related ...” he lamented, “we’re almost brothers ... let me go home ... let me die among my own folk ... we ... we’re almost brothers ... you and me ...”.
>“No! No! No!” the dog said excitedly.
>Now the fox sat upright. His lovely pointed snout sank down to his bloodied breast, his eyes rose up and stared at the dog right into his face . In a quite different voice, in control of himself, sad and bitter, he snarled, “Aren’t you ashamed of yourself ...? You traitor!”
>“No! No! No!” the dog yelled.
>The fox, however went on. “You turncoat ... you defector!” His lacerated body became stiff with hatred and contempt. “You’re just His henchman,” he hissed. “You miserable ... you seek us out where He couldn’t find us ... you persecute us in places that He can’t get to ... you turn us in ..., and all of us are your relatives ... you turn me in, and you and I are nearly brothers ... and you just stand there ...are you not ashamed of yourself?”
>Suddenly many loud, new voices were heard around them.
>“Traitor!” called the magpies from the trees.
>“Henchman!” screeched the jays.
>“Miserable!” squealed the weasel.
>“Defector!” spat the polecat.
>Shrill hisses and screeches came out from all the trees and bushes, and from the air came the screeching of the crows, “henchman!” All had hurried close, all had listened to the quarrel from the trees above or from a safe hiding place on the ground. The disgust expressed by the fox released the old, bitter disgust that they all felt, and the blood steaming in sight of them on the snow made them furious and made them lose all their reserve.
>The dog looked around him. “You!” he called. “What do you want? What do you know about it? What are you talking about? All o’ you belong to ‘Im, just like I belong to ‘Im! But me ... well I love ‘Im, I pray to ‘Im! I serve ‘Im! But you, you don’t know that ‘E’s in charge ‘ere. You’re pitiful you are, you can’t rebel against ‘Im? ‘E’s the almighty! ‘E’s above all of us! Ev’rything you’ve got comes from ‘Im! E’vrything that grows and lives, it all comes from ‘Im.” The dog was shaking in his outrage.
>“Traitor!” the squirrel screamed.
>“Yes!” hissed the fox. “You’re a traitor. Nobody but you ... you’re the only one ...!”
>They danced about in self-righteous anger. “I’m the only one ...? You liar! D’you think there aren’t loads and loads of others who are with ‘Im ...? The ‘orse ... the cows ... the lamb ... the chickens ... and some of all of you, all your species, there are loads who are with ‘Im, who pray to ‘im ... and serve ‘Im!”
>“Rabble!” hissed the fox, full of boundless contempt.
>The dog could control himself no longer and hurled himself at the fox’s throat. A snarling, spitting, gasping bundle, wild and whirring they rolled in the snow, snapping at each other, hair flew up, snow flew up, fine drops of blood flew up. But the fox was not able to maintain the fight for long. After just a few seconds he lay there on his back, showed his pale belly, twitched, stretched himself out, and died.
>The dog shook him a few more times, then dropped him into the churned up snow, stood there with his legs wide apart and once more called out in a full, deep voice, “There! There! There he is!”
>The others were disgusted and fled away in all directions.
>“Horrible ...” said Bambi in his chamber to the elder.
>“Worst of all,” the elder replied, “is that they believe in what the dog just said. They believe it, they live a life full of fear, they hate Him and they hate themselves ... and they kill themselves for his sake.”
And that about covers that scene.
I always felt here that he wrote about hungarian ppl.
This shit always hurts.
I like how the dog actually speaks to and understands the animals, in the movie, they are depicted as just barking, snarling creatures with no thought but to attack whatever animal they see
I like to imagine that they believe they should not even bother trying to talk to the animals, as they are not on the same level as them because they believe He loves them. It's why they try to ignore the other animal's insults and accusations, focusing on just calling to their master until they got too angry and spat back.
That does make sense, yeah.
Idk, I feel like both the films and the books are both amazing in their own right and should have equal respect, even if Disney had to do some underhanded shit to make the films even exist
Oh the Disney movie is still a wonderful film, I just wish that more people knew of the original. I would have far more respect for the Disney adaptation if they didn't try so hard to erase the original from history.
It's like the other Disney adaptations: They are great films, but they shouldn't be the ONLY take on the story available.
I can agree to that, yeah. Disney will hang on to a copyright to the death once they have it
Well at the very least, learning that Bambi is now free for new creators to adapt to film was a great way to end my day. Hopefully in the coming years, we may see some new works emerge that bring the true vision of the original to the big screen. Then both those versions and the disney films can be enjoyed by future generations.
It's very unlikely unfortunately, as most people don't even know about the book and all they know is that Disney made the Bambi movies
Judging by the thick accent the dog has, it seems they purposefully wanted to make the dog speaking the language something he isn't used to doing. He is more focused on man's language, not the language of the forest. It's a nice, subtle touch on the character
I kinda found it odd that Bambi and Faline were just hanging out in this movie when Bambi was very shy around her in the previous movie
He was shy when he first met her, but eventually starts genuinely playing with her and having fun. They presumably met each other off-screen and played again multiple times after that. I always figured that was the case, since there was a bunch of tie-in material about Faline and Bambi being childhood friends.
The biggest change the movie did was that it added one year into the timeline. In the first movie, the orphaned Bambi spends the last days of the winter in the company of his father. When he reunites with his friends in the following spring, they all ask if the others remember them, and they brag about how much they've grown up. Their discussion makes it clear that they've spent some time apart. Each of them was apparently focused on survival and doing their own thing during late winter.
But this movie has Bambi accompanied by both his friends and his father from winter to late summer. He has small antlers by the end of the movie and he's lost his spots, but he's still not adult. His friends remark how he keeps spending so much time with his father that they never see him anymore. So apparently the next winter is the one that he spends separated from his friends, and then he reunites with them in the next spring when they're all adults.
I guess it'd mostly work out okay, except that the timeline change means that Flower and Thumper in particular are growing up very slowly for their species.
Would you
No
Why are you homies so horny for this old man porcupine
he's curvy
Where
everywhere
This genuinely disgusts me.
A full thread for Bambi 2.
I love this movie so fricking much. It is so much better than the 1st, but did not get the recognition what the movie deserved.
I did not have any friend who liked the sequel so it is really cool to see that you guys love it.
I'm of the opinion it should have gotten a theactrical release. Not only because it's a great film, but also because it broke a WORLD RECORD for being the longest amount of time for a movie to get a sequel, with Return to Oz holding that mantle beforehand.
I think it actually got a theatrical release in certain parts of the world but a worl wide release would have been nice
Yes, it only got theatrical releases in Europe, since characters like Bambi are especially popular there due to how big the comics are there.
If it had gotten a theatrical release in the US, it probably would have made bank, especially from people who grew up watching it on VHS and wanted to get some closure about what happened to Bambi between the death of his mother and his adulthood.
Disney REALLY shot themselves in the foot by making a lot of their Direct-to-video sequels not theatrical releases.
It's a miracle it lasted this long
It's a miracle it hasn't just become a porn dumping ground
It should have I want a drawgay to draw flopine sex
I'd cuddle with Flower
same
Cheeky little fella
What was her problem?
No concept of personal space
she looks like she ripped one
Flower will be gay in the remakek
Thank you for mentioning Cinderella III OP, that shit is the shit.
Agreed
He's literally me
I would frick all the characters
This is the longest running Bambi thread I've seen
It's probably gonna each the bump limit soon 🙁
Good to know Disney was always evil. I honestly don't care for a lot of their films and the way they stray from source materiel. They made the jungle book gayer in my opinion. No scene of shere khan dying like little b***h being trampled to death.
the remake Jungle Book was actually pretty good IMO, he died like a little b***h being tricked by Mowgli
I do hope you don't mean the CGI movie. That shit is an abomination. All live action remakes are trash.
I do mean the CGI one, it's the only live action remake by Disney that I've liked. Everything else has been trash, but The Jungle Book managed to be an improvement over the animated one in my opinion
The kid actor was okay.
Thought he did a decent job, yeah.
This was surprisingly good with based ending.
Yeah, the ending is one reason why I think it's pretty good and improved over the original. Mowgli staying in the jungle just makes more sense in context with the story. It's a better message.
>Mowgli staying in the jungle just makes more sense in context with the story. It's a better message.
Then it's just a worse Tarzan
No?
Not really, although I did find it weird that Mowgli was able to just hit it off with a human girl when he has no human social skills at all
What about the looney Tunes and it studio? Do they have a shady past? I honestly hate the fricking mouse now.
>I honestly hate the fricking mouse now.
I don't know about the other studios but I'm sure they got their own skeletons and shady dealings. No major studio gets as big as they did without stepping on people and taking advantage of creators at some point.
But without a doubt, the Mouse stands tall as the worst of them all.
For someone who hated the israelites, Walt sure acted like one.
Salten was a israelite and wrote underaged erotica on the side.
There was a good reason to distance the film from him.
Gonna need a source on that, Disney shill
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Salten
>Write a book about a 10 year old prostitute
>then write a "Why must they Persecte me so?" story
It's a shame he made it to Zurich
>Written anonymously, people just assume Felix is the writer, based on one source that seems to read more like a theory than tangible proof
Seems more like people assumed he wrote the book, him or Arthur Schnitzler. There is no solid evidence beyond either being the writer but beyond that, not even Felix's own family has been able to provide any evidence that he authored the book, even when a granddaughter tried to get royalties for it. With that in mind, I doubt he's the author.
That not only that shit. There was other stuff too. You don't get to Walt Disney's Level without acting like israelite.
Promise me you'll make more bambi threads
There's gotta be a place we can make a Bambi general, a place where it won't be flooded with porn
I don't see how that would live for long. Bambi is an old work and it doesn't have a very active fandom. The live-action remake might spark some interest, but other than that, there's no new official content that would keep the discussion going.
Where could I start a Bambi general? I don't wanna make it in /trash/ because that place is a cesspit
Idk, but don't go to /b/ either
Some Bambi stuff.
https://filebin.net/hgb3i8noyyc8m2kt
Was this for the sequel or original drafting art for the first movie?
That picture's from the original movie. The date on the picture says it's from late 1940.
The stuff in the zip file is basically all about the original Bambi, too.
i like how they kept that pure and innocence look of bambi despite what he's been through and his old age
I watched this once and absolutely despised it for some reason.
I'm going to give it another shot.
You absolutely should
So based on this thread, here are some good Disney Sequels:
>Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch has a Glitch
>Bambi 2
>Cinderella III: A twist in time
>Return to NEverland
>Aladdin 3: King of Thieves
>101 Dalmatians 2: Scamps' Adventure
>Extremely Goofy Movie
Were there any more?
Besides Scamp's Adventure, not really, the rest of tem are mediocre or just, really bad
Nah that's basically it
>101 Dalmatians 2: Scamps' Adventure
That's Patch's London Adventure actually, but I don't blame you for confusing them, they're both "Dog Movie 2: Little Dog's Adventure"
Both are starkly different in what the plots are though
don't let the thread die bois
Probably one of the best dubs I've heard for the original movie
The voice actors did a good job here
Thumper says "it's trying to talk" rather than "he's trying to talk" in that clip. That feels a bit awkward. Otherwise the dub sounds okay enough.
Are you Finnish? I'm curious to know how accurate the dub is compared to the original English version is
Yeah. I've heard the original 1969 Finnish dub, and it was the worst official Disney dub I've ever heard. But that Youtube clip was from the 2005 re-dub. I don't think I've seen it, but that clip sounded fine (aside from Thumper using an odd pronoun).
Bambi probably wouldn't have that much translation problems anyway. Some other movies have puns and wordplay that are difficult to translate to other languages. But Bambi isn't very dialogue-heavy, and the dialogue in the movie is pretty straight-forward. The problem in its old Finnish dub was mainly badly-translated character names, unfitting voices and poor acting.
There's a Swedish dub I saw that has worse-sounding voices, almost everyone sounds like adults in it, but I'm not sure how good the translation is as I am learning Swedish still and don't know every word
Idk how
but based
>That's not a flower ya dumbass!
Why did bambi kiss flower
Homies always kiss their other homies
for a bambi thread, i am genuinely surprised it maintain some consistency to be a discussion and not a derailed gay furry trash dump. there's some hope in having quality threads in Cinemaphile after all
Because it was mostly two anons talking to each other
Yes and I am impressed neither of those two were a furry who only wanted to talk about animals fricking each other, this time.
Some deer/language autism ahead.
The book has a chapter where adult Faline and Bambi encounter another ungulate. Faline starts screaming in fright and runs away, but Bambi decides to be brave. He admires the majestic appearance of this other guy and approaches him with the intent to talk to him, but doesn't know how to initiate discussion. The narration reveals that the other guy wants to talk to Bambi too, but he doesn't know how to start small-talk either. So they just remain in awkward silence until one of them leaves. Then they both fume that the other one was too high-and-mighty to have a chat. I found the chapter funny.
My translation referred to the other guy as an "elk". I thought maybe it meant moose, but the illustrations in the book made it look more like a red deer.
(Bambi in the book is described and drawn as a roe deer, which isn't as big or pretty as some other deer species. An earlier chapter showed that Bambi and other roe deer had some kind of an instinctual fear of the bigger deer species.)
I was browsing the English translation. It refers to the elk in this chapter as "the old stag". That makes it sound like it was an encounter with the great Prince. Then I looked up the original German version to get clarification. It refers to the guy in this chapter as "der Hirsch" (the deer). The great Prince was most of the time called "der Alte" (the old one).
I figured this chapter must've been easy to misunderstand in the English translation, so I felt like mentioning all this here.
Yeah the translations refer to it as an elk, but more or less they are seen as cousins of Bambi's species that is significantly larger and also more intimidating. The idea that the two wanted to talk but didn't know how to start was really cute
What is your opinion of the Old Stag being Bambi's father or not? Some translations try to pass another random deer as his father, but others keep it more vague and imply that the old stag is his pops.
I believe that the Old Stag is indeed Bambi's father, as even when Bambi's supposed father dies via gunshot, Bambi's mom still goes out to mate and leave Bambi alone. Makes me think she's answering the old stag's booty call, and may also be why the Old Stag takes an interest in Bambi once he's proven himself as a survivor. But it may also have been kept intentionally vague so the reader could decide for themselves.
I had some Disney storybooks of Bambi as a kid, and those stated that the Great Prince was his father. So I just always saw that as a fact.
While reading the original book, at first I figured that one of the other deer was actually his father in the source material. But when Bambi gets shot, the old stag commands him to move. According to my copy, the stag says:
>"Get up! You must get out of here, my child!" My child... it was as if those words had slipped out of him. In the blink of an eye, Bambi was on his feet.
I took that as confirmation that Bambi was the old stag's son in Salten's book, as well.
In hindsight, I guess it's also possible to interpret it differently. Maybe he just took a fondness to Bambi and chose him as his successor, regardless of whether they were blood-related or not.
The old stag had this speech about how solitude is the only way to gain wisdom. Bambi gets this same drive to seek solitude later in the book. He chooses not to go to Faline despite still caring about her, and he wants to stay detached from others. So my belief is that the old stag had done the same; mated with Bambi's mother, but then stayed apart from her.
I think Bambi's mom might not necessarily be mating when she's off on her own. She could've been just foraging or taking a break from motherhood. Maybe she was weaning Bambi and teaching him independence. If she was mating, then the old stag would have to be in her company (assuming that they were mates, that is). But the stag had time to talk to Bambi instead of being busy with Bambi's mother.
He’s the biggest chad in the forest. He probably fricks lots of does frequently, and very well could be the father of half or more of the deer in the area, so the chances of Bambi at least being biologically related to him are high.
Yeah Bambi's mom was mating at one or two of those points but not all of them, I was just making a joke.
The 'my child' part, and especially that being what gives Bambi the strength to move, does give proper evidence of the Old Stag being his pops. Dude's old, probably has seen tons of his own offspring live and die, but Bambi was special to him and one he wanted to impart his wisdom to before he passed away. Perhaps like Bambi to Faline, he loved Bambi's mother deeply and saw Bambi as his last memory of her when he learned of her loss.
Do you have a theory as to what happened to the dead man that the old stag found in the forest? Was it a firearm accident or did he get into an altercation with someone? Was it a murder scene? The narration specifically called him a poacher rather than a hunter, and I wonder if that was relevant. But even if he had committed a crime, it'd be weird for someone to murder him just for that.
Maybe he wasn't careful enough with gun safety. Doing that causes accidents every now and then.
Also, what's your opinion on Marena's character? I thought the stuff she spoke was interesting. Initially I thought she was intended to be some kind of a deer Christian who was seeking enlightenment, and that her beliefs reflected ideas about afterlife and paradise. I had heard that the ending of the book mentions there being a creator who rules over both deer and humans, so I thought Marena's ideas were part of the same theme. But her beliefs got a bit of a shock due to what happened with Gobo. That made me wonder if the author intended readers to think that her ideas were naive and stupid.
When it comes to Marena's character, I think her view on life is a reflection of those that think He can be reasoned with and that cooperation and understanding would be how they can stop the violence. It's optimistic for sure, and Bogo's safe return does bring merit into her thought that He is not evil, and perhaps Bogo could be their link to humans. The heartbreak comes with the grim reminder that He is never the same person, and they all have different wants and desires, but they all have power over them in a terrifying way.
As for the dead poachers? Poachers were more known for running in groups to shoot whatever they could, as seen in the big massacre scene where bullets are flying from everywhere. I think the Poacher was shot by accident by one of his own during the chaos and became the dead body they found. That or self inflicted, accidental harm due to poor gun usage would be seen as an appropriate death for someone that was feared for it. Those are my theories, anyway.
>I think the Poacher was shot by accident by one of his own during the chaos and became the dead body they found
Yeah, that's possible. They seemed a bit too trigger-happy earlier in the book. I can imagine them accidentally shooting one of their own. And if they were poaching, that would explain why they left the body there. If they had taken his body and reported the death to the authorities, they'd get caught for both poaching and accidentally killing someone. So maybe they panicked and ran away from the scene.
>If they had taken his body and reported the death to the authorities, they'd get caught for both poaching and accidentally killing someone. So maybe they panicked and ran away from the scene.
Exactly, and he was alone without any sign of a camp or a dog with him.
>Bambi was special to him and one he wanted to impart his wisdom to before he passed away.
My heart.
What are ya looking at ya big moose
he did literally nothing wrong
Discussion here has been pretty peaceful
Flower is such a qt
I bet he's really soft
he is
What do you think he smells like
flowers
I hope so, not a stinky boi
only if he gets brave
brap.gif would be the perfect filename for that
haha
Top 10 threads
Bambi is handsome
these gays better not derail the thread
The thread is nearly over time to post furry porn
No we can keep it alive without, we must have hope
No way
cute
Thumper had the cutest voice in the movies
Thumper is a chad
The original buck
So cute
Man the people behind the sequel did a really good job with the backgrounds, almost looks like it's from the original 1942 film
Most of the time I'm only interested in character art and don't really care for background art or landscapes, but Bambi is one of the exceptions. Tyrus Wong's landscape paintings that served as inspiration for the movie's art design looked so soft and gorgeous.
The sequel did a pretty good job mimicking the look of the first movie, too. I think the people working on that movie must've had huge respect and love for Bambi as a pioneer of Disney animation. They really wanted to make sure that if the movie must get a sequel, it has to be something worthwhile instead of just another cheap cashgrab.
>They really wanted to make sure that if the movie must get a sequel, it has to be something worthwhile instead of just another cheap cashgrab.
This, seems like they did the sane for 101 Dalmatians 2 as well
OP here, once this thread is canned I will make a new Bambi thread
It's really not a good movie and it's not one of the best, the jokes are more kiddy and annoying, the bully character is lame, Flower is a lot worse than the original, and a lot of it doesn't even feel connected to the original.
But HOLY FRICKING SHIT this scene. This scene is the fricking real shit.
The colors, the use of sound, the character, the sense of dread they're able to instill with a fricking GLINT. The dogs looked like they were the real threat and it expertly moved in to the real gut punch with just an implication of a reflection. That it came after the dream sequence and it doesn't need to spell out that he's using a deer call is just perfect. It doesn't need to tell you anything, it just shows you everything and lets the scene speak for itself with it's brilliant use of colors, setting and implications.
This scene right here is on par with anything in the original classic and whoever made this scene deserves a pat on the back because they brought their A game and got an A Plus.
>the jokes are more kiddy and annoying
Even in the original 1942 film, the jokes were "Kiddy", idk if you could tell
>Flower is a lot worse than the original
Flower didn't really have much of a character in the original, he appeared a few times and his speaking roles were short. The sequel developed him a lot
But yes, I agree with wat you said about the scene. It is expertly made, and the usage of colors are amazing
>the sense of dread they're able to instill with a fricking GLINT
Yes, and the note they used for when the glint is seen definitely gives you a sense of urgency, as in "Gtfo RIGHT NOW"
What I like about the glint is that's the perfect "For the adults" kind of implication. I doubt many kids were thinking that's a gun but if you're a parent watching you probably recognize they're implying that's a reflection off a scope of a rifle and they're about to get shot. But they didn't spell it out and trusted the audience got that if the Prince is freaking the frick out that it's bad and they need to go, the kids understand the situation and the adults can actually get something out of it as well. It's one of the rare times a Disney movie, not just a sequel but just a Disney movie in general past 2000, held back on dumbing it down and just let it breathe. This had to have been a passion project and if so there's no doubt they had this scene in mind for a while.
It's also very well animated to boot, not just in the look and feel but every movement is very deliberate, pretty damn perfect.
I mean, there was a gunshot sound as they were fleeing into the woods, so I think even kids would be able to deduce what the glint was
Yeah, the use of colors in that scene is neat. It's very early morning and the sky has all kinds of blue, purple and red shades, even some black night sky, but there's yellow morning light too. Together they create this surreal contrast as Bambi is petrified out of fear.
Finally the Prince knocks Bambi to shake him out of his stupor. This abruptly turns off the yellow highlight as Bambi comes back to his senses. And when they reach safety in the deep forest, their surroundings turn into calm (although somewhat eerie) blue, green and grey tones.
During the fight in particular, the colors seemed to take inspiration from the fight between Bambi and Ronno in the first movie.
I think the sequel mainly diverged from the first movie by being more dialogue- and character-driven. The first movie had the animals acting a bit more like animals. A lot of the time they didn't bother with verbal communication. It made the movie feel kinda like a nature documentary, whereas the sequel was a story about a father bonding with his son. (It might fit okay with the source material, though. The great prince is a distant and elusive character in the first half of the book, but this changes when Bambi ends up staying in his company and learning a lot from him towards the end of the story.)
Addtitionally, the sequel's animation was more polished and clean than in the first one. Animation techniques had advanced between the release of these movies, and movies from the digital era tend to have a different feel to them than movies from the cel animation era.
Anon are you okay
Just correcting grammar errors lmao, sorry