How are women an underrepresented minority in voice acting? If anything, they're overrepresented.
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How are women an underrepresented minority in voice acting? If anything, they're overrepresented.
did you wait three years to post this? fricking homosexual
He didn't even wait a single day, dude keeps reposting this same fricking thread over and over like a homosexual.
Doing it because of the Grey Delisle shit probably and is too lazy to dig for VAs saying stupid shit on twitter.
>because of the gre delisle shit
What did my wife do??
A guy made an animation in Blender that looked like Rankin Bass made an episode of Scooby Doo. He used AI for almost all of the voices. It got some attention and ended up causing a major uproar in the VA and animation community with several voice actors publicly expressing their dismay. Grey DeLisle said that she would never work with this person and would be sure to share his name with all of her friends so they could also make sure to never work with him.
Pushback was so heavy that the animator issued an apology and is now working with some actors he found on twitter to redub the animation using real voices.
>make a cartoon with AI voices
>voice actors get mad and say they will never work with him
>apologizes instead of going LOL wasn't planning on it and going right back to making cartoons without overpaid failed live action actors
>overpriced
actors are a dime a dozen, extremely hungry for opportunities and willing to work for cheap or even free. If you go on twitter you just need to say "looking for a voice actor for a low budget indie animation" and you'll get your inbox flooded with demo reels.
This image was posted in a voice actor thread yesterday he probably got it from there.
Twitter threads should be punishable by death
true, many boy characters are voiced by women but girls are never voiced by men
Tina Belcher.
It's way less common but it does happen.
Tina Belcher, Lynn Belcher, Gretchen, Ms. LaBonz, Edith, Edna Mode (the incredibles), a bunch of side characters on Home Movies...
Still missing the point, moron
>girls are never voiced by men
>never
nope
have a nice day you pedantic mouthbreather
have a blessed day you charming individual
>Gretchen
from recess? that's ashley johnson, she's been in loads of stuff
>from recess?
no
DW
Phil's a dumbass.
None of this stuff is based on facts or evidence. It's just like religious belief. They have faith that the devil(underrepresentation) is hurting us and Jesus(diversity) will save mankind.
>OPs thread
This was in response to homies using Phil Lamar as an example of a black homie voicing a yellow homie (Samurai Jack, a Jap). A valid point as many voice actors don't always look like their characters.
Men voice women, women voice men. Blacks voice whites. Whites voice blacks. And it is not limited to these simple black and white examples. I respect his work, but he is truly an industry cuck.
Dude just needs to get the frick off Twitter, just like everyone else. Nothing good has ever come from public figures communicating directly with millions of mentally unstable morons on the internet.
Yes it is. It’s like alcohol. It doesn’t make you do anything, just reveals who you are. The Hollywood movie star archetype has always been cringe. It’s good how much truth and reality is being revealed by the internet. We will be a much healthier culture in the end.
I'm not saying getting off Twitter will make them less moronic, I'm just saying being on Twitter is moronic and we'd all be better off if they all just deleted their accounts. They'd have less of a chance of being randomly cancelled because they accidentally implied that rape is bad when a brown person does it, and we wouldn't be subjected to moronic threads like this one.
>Muhh le cancel culture
Not reading that, /misc/tard schizo
I mean, the whole anime industry is japanese people voicing black/white/asian/blue/alien/robot/arab characters and no one gives a shit. It doesn't affect the lack of quality of the product.
So claiming the animated characters need voice actors that have near-equivalent levels of melanin is completely insane, no matter how much time passes.
Best amerimutt characters were made by the nips as well.
People don't dare criticize grorious nippon because it's their mythical ideal of a supposedly socialist utopia because it's got socialized healthcare and citizens are performatively polite due to a deeply ingrained sense of subservience to authority. Ironically they're one of the most openly racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, nationalistic countries on earth and if you tried to tell an anime director they needed to consider racial authenticity when casting VAs they'd probably call you a Black person.
To clarify
, I mean people saying that Phil voiced someone that’s not like him is a valid point, not that Phil had a valid point.
Devilman Crybaby had a american japanese VA voice an american, Ping Pong had a chinese japanese VA voice a Chinese person
I hate the pajeet who started this upswing in voice acting.
Twitter screengrabs should be a bannable offense. Literally choke on a giant dick, OP.
yep I fully support voice acting segregation
white roles for whites
black roles for blacks
it's a cartoon voice utopia
finally we'll have genuine sounding voices for all characters of all races
hooray!
>white roles for whites
whoa, cool it with the antisemitism there
I advocate for blind auditions. The casting director shouldn't know the applicant's name or what they look like. They should just listen to demos or readings or whatever and choose the voice that best fits the character. Let the chips fall where they may.
Woah, cool it with the antisemitism
>I advocate for blind auditions
yeah, blind people need more representation in voice acting
I mean, Trixie Tang's VA did pretty decent job
That's great, little blind kids really need people to look up to on TV
Lol, gay
Just noting that it's been done before
Why are you being so hostile? I genuinely think it's great that blind kids have representation, they deserve characters they can see themselves in.
CARLOS YOU LITTLE SHIT WE CAN TELL YOU’RE THE ONE WHO KADE THESE POSTS
whoever gives the best blowjobs to the producers gets the part
Finally , an industry I can succeed in
>Watch a show anon's auditioned for
>Little Susie sounds like Barry White
You keep away from cartoons!
Unless you do actually sound like Barry White, then audition for male roles.
Sam Register is happy now
god she is so hot
Wasn't that a problem in Australia or something?
They stripped job applications of any racial-identifiers (ex: name) and white people kept getting the job, so they stopped doing that so that they could hire people with an eye towards race again?
yeah, that's happened with orchestras too. They got rid of names and had people audition behind a screen (and eventually had to make sure there was carpet too because the sound of high heels on hard floors was a "tell"). While orchestras did become more diverse as a result of blind auditions, some people felt like it wasn't enough so they're advocating to get rid of them again.
This is controversial even within liberal circles. I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but I think that blind auditions were the correct way to do things. The best should get the gig.
Meritocracy always seemed like the ideal.
Too bad social considerations always seem to take priority (ex: nepotism, or 'diversity' in this case.)
It's especially worrisome in stuff like the medical field. Because you know about racial quotas in higher education, you can't help but worry if your surgeon isn't white/asian.
I just want the doctor to be the best, I don't care about his skin colour. But quotas make me doubt some doctors. If he was black in a world without quotas, that'd be fine.
Getting into school doesn't mean you will pass. If someone is able to successfully receive a medical degree, passes the grueling gauntlet that is residencies, and is licensed to practice, that actually means something. It's like passing the bar in law...the level one must surpass to succeed is color blind. It IS a meritocracy.
>If someone is able to successfully receive a medical degree, passes the grueling gauntlet that is residencies, and is licensed to practice, that actually means something
You're not wrong here, but it's worth mentioning that diversity-manipulation is not in anyway way exclusive to admissions. The people who make a big stink about admission rates also tend to look at success rates and call foul if there are discrepancies, so in less stringent fields it's not out of the question to believe that graduation rates are also being manipulated.
That's a lot of speculation. The same could be said about the opposite - it's not out of the question to believe that graduation rates are being manipulated to DISfavor minorities. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
Without concrete evidence, it's only speculation that anyone gets it easier than anyone else. Ivy League schools are chock full of rich kids with important parents who make very generous donations. Their ability to pass classes could also be looked at critically but that isn't as politically bankable. In the end, the problem is that biases DO exist (both positive and negative) for a myriad of demographics, and there's no quick, easy answer to solving that problem.
>graduation rates are being manipulated to DISfavor minorities
That would be immensely surprising give the heavy pro-diversity bias that's sought out in teachers and personnel working in higher education.
Possible, but would be surprising.
again, you're speculating and it seems biased by your views on diversity. There is historical precedence for minorities being barred from attending schools or holding certain positions. Laws had to actually be changed to allow schools to be integrated. We know that for a fact.
We also know for a fact that rich parents were buying their kids way into college. The actor from Full House was busted a few years ago and sent to prison as part of a sting operation that uncovered it.
If those numbers are "fudged", that exists on both sides, and one could argue those success rates are being further manipulated for both sides too. Ivy league schools are chock full of rich kids and one could argue that the university would be under immense pressure to make sure they pass or they can kiss their donations goodbye.
I've worked in higher education.
Promoting diversity is something that's talked a lot about and promoted.
That being said, I admit my sample size is limited to the place I worked.
I wasn't working in a department that influences the student's odds of passing though. Just some archival stuff
Come to think of it, even with my former out-of-the-way job, I can actually say something about students, but it's largely irrelevant to race or any of that jazz.
A lot of them are remarkably bad at research.
Just 'find shit you want in this database' level research.
You'd think they'd have that shit figured out during high school. I was pretty surprised by it.
Again, this isn't a racial thing, just a modern student thing.
yes, diversity is talked about a lot and promoted because it's historically been problematic. I do not think that affirmative action is a good permanent solution, but it's a reasonable temporary bandaid to give kids a fighting chance while we try to figure out how to stop giving a shit about what people look like.
For the record, I think the voice actor stuff is ridiculous. Making rules about who can play what character based on the color of their skin seems racist to me. Whether doing actual impersonations of another race is okay or not however is a delicate issue with a lot of nuance that exceeds the scope of a message board largely dedicated to jerking off. I guess in my current opinion, regional accents are okay, but racially stereotypical accents are not? eg impersonating someone from england or the south is fine since is not racially exclusive, but impersonating a Chinese or Puerto Rican person is not.
>but it's a reasonable temporary bandaid to give kids a fighting chance while we try to figure out how to stop giving a shit about what people look like.
I'm a fan of moving toward brute meritocracy: strip identifiers from applicants, make them a number, and then the best applicant gets it.
That being said, I can also see the problem of unequal grading from one school to the next, so a standardized system between the lot would be best. It's not a huge problem in shit like science where the right answer is the right answer, but there's a lot of subjective classes like english or history (when you write your paper about an event).
That's a bad idea. See teachers are real people, and everyone does things differently. While still in line with the strict standards in place on the school, my teacher's grading system was so broken I actually made better much better grades by not showing up (except to take tests). There goes my love of mathematics, now I'm just here to game the system and get out.
People need to be able to work together to get things done. A bad attitude lowers productivity with everyone they come across. People who just show up to get paid, will bail the minute things get tough. The whole world will fall to pieces that way.
>eg impersonating someone from england or the south is fine since is not racially exclusive
You can just say it's okay because they're white.
are you seriously suggesting that only white people have southern accents?
Yes. How do you feel about things like dutch or swedish accents? Those are racially exclusive.
If they're racially exclusive, then don't do them if you're not that race. Simple as.
At least you're consistent. But I go by the rule of accents are okay if it's funny.
Dumbass. All are okay.
good argument. pack it up, everyone.
I accept your concession.
Bandaid solutions like that over such big issues usually worsen problems. Progressives tend to do that.
>again, you're speculating and it seems biased by your views on diversity
It's all speculation dude, nobody is saying otherwise. What you're saying about it being just as likely that schools might be actively sabotaging the students they specifically admit to fill diversity quotas makes no logical sense though, even within the framework you're setting about nepo admissions. If anything, the idea that they would fudge the numbers in favor of the rich white children of donors/alumni actually further supports the idea that they'd also be more lenient on the diversity kids, since it would reflect poorly on their schools if they accidentally skewed the numbers to make the ones they let in on affirmative action less successful than everyone else, they'd be likely to do the same for them just to keep everything in line.
Again, yes it's all speculation, but the point is that they are openly, admittedly favoring minority admissions, which means any/all results from those admissions are automatically suspect. If they're willing to manipulate admissions numbers to hit quotas there's zero reason to believe they wouldn't also be willing to manipulate grades to meet quotas.
>Again, yes it's all speculation, but the point is that they are openly, admittedly favoring minority admissions, which means any/all results from those admissions are automatically suspect. If they're willing to manipulate admissions numbers to hit quotas there's zero reason to believe they wouldn't also be willing to manipulate grades to meet quotas.
If they're willing to manipulate admissions numbers to curry political or financial favor, there's zero reason to believe they wouldn't also be willing to manipulate grades for the same reason.
There is no affirmative action for graduating. It's all "dude, you can tell".
It is a lot of speculation, but because we know for a fact that admissions are being manipulated that makes it harder to say whether success rates are being further manipulated. At least if admissions were fully blind, you could definitively look at any discrepancies between admission and graduations controlling for race and say that something was going on there, but if you're fudging the numbers from the get-go then it's all out the window.
We actually have concrete evidence. See the Holder rule for an example. Also the legacy admission thing has been examined. The super rich aren't just giving money to the college foundation. They're buying an entire tutoring and support system for their child, even BEFORE college. Eg, having a secretary, editor and proofreader for your jr high school essays.
The schools who's employees have openly said they intend to break the rules on affirmative action getting rid of the standardized testing requirements is a sign of how this is going.
I think respect shouldn't even be a requirement. Comedy baby!
Asians statistically cheat the most in college so think about that the next time you go to your Asian surgeon
got a source?
I know it's a big problem in China, but is it brought over to asian people living in the west?
The funniest thing is that the Futurama revival (which he is a part of) recasted Billy West as Amy's dad because he isn't Asian
Yet Phil is still doing a deliberately comical impression of a Jamaican man.
Cringe
Nuke LA already, this shit is idiotic and is spreading like a disease.
>DVD is called "the COMPLETE collection"
>It's missing "Shake Like Me" because "Muh blackface"
False advertisement
Didn't he pretend to play a Japanese guy?
>How are women underrepresented in anything?
If they don't have at least 51% of representation in any sector then it's considered underrepresentation. If they have underrepresentation in a sector they don't care about it's okay, if they have excess representation in any sector they like it's also okay.
A big sign of this is both college enrollment and graduation heavily favoring women, but all the folks who're supposedly all about gender equality ignoring it.
Voice acting is acting, I as a white guy can voice an Asian character as long as I'm being respectful to the culture. Its a fricking cartoon.
Yeah, the beauty of voice acting is that you can voice anything regardless of how you look. Plus the whole idea of "stick to voicing your race" is racist itself. Have they applied this logic to anime dub actors too? They voice a lot of Asian characters.
Because rich white women working comically easy, 6 figure jobs in Los Angeles will forever assume and scream about how they are the most underrepresented, oppressed, tortured minority in any time period.
I guess based on like 4 women getting 99% of all the roles maybe. They might be right in that.
yeah, I'm not doubting that people cheat, but I was asking for anon's source that specifically states "Asians statistically cheat the most in college".
>but I was asking for anon's source that specifically states "Asians statistically cheat the most in college".
For me it's an anecdote because I held them in much higher regard than other people, before seeing they're just repressed normies.
There's probably zero source for that statistic though.
you only mentioned one asian kid in your anecdotal evidence.
I don't think he is focusing on white women
he is