How come Cartoon Network didn't treat this show very well? Even though it had 40 episodes, it only ever aired a few times a week during it's run and later in it's run, only usually airing once or twice a week at most
Even when the show was first premiering, while it came out before Camp Lazlo, Cartoon Network had much more faith in Lazlo and hyped that one up more. Lazlo ended up being considered a success for the network and aired a lot. Juniper was promoted a lot early on, though not nearly as much as Lazlo, but it didn't take long for Cartoon Network to treat the show poorly and the last two episodes were exclusive to CN Video. I never even really saw the show when it was on aside from one episode, because neither me or my sibling knew when it was on really
One could say it was because it had a female protagonist, but considering Cartoon Network was still airing Totally Spies and treating it pretty well, I wouldn't say that was why
Totally Spies was cheaper to run because it was an import from France.
How would a show they acquire be cheaper to run? Wouldn't they have to pay royalties out the ass to France? Meanwhile Juniper is a show they made, they just have to advertise it.
All they have to do is pay once for the rights to air it and that's that. For June, they have to pay multiple times and multiple people for its entire production.
It's the difference between renting a car vs buying each part wholesale and putting it together in your garage
I kept wondering why anime VHS tapes with translated subtitles were more expensive than dubbed anime VHS.
>but considering Cartoon Network was still airing Totally Spies and treating it pretty well
Spies was like "hey lets watch hot high schoolers go on missions and experience weird fetish shit". IIRC Juniper Lee was a bit more grounded and leaned in more on the whole asian-american experience
>"hey lets watch hot high schoolers go on missions and experience weird fetish shit".
I thought they were collegials, the layer seasons surprised me
The executives probably heard the opening theme song and took that as a challenge.
I also remember Juniper Lee being hyped up but never seeing it on TV. No re-runs either. Then one day it just disappeared and was never mentioned again. I watched it a year ago out of curiosity because I wanted to watch it back then. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. It was just kind of wasted potential. CN had better action shows and better comedies.
Cartoons from that era (My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Squirrel Boy, Puffy Ami Yumi, Camp Lazlo) didn't have the staying power of the stuff before. Maybe Foster's was the only one that managed to get popular other than Ben 10. It was probably cheaper to run imported cartoons and anime.
It feels like Ed, Edd n Eddy, Billy and Mandy, and Kids Next Door are considered the three best shows that were having new episodes during the era that the shows you mentioned were new
EEnE was premiered in 1999. Billy and Mandy was 2001 if you don't count Grim and Evil and KND was 2002. The "new" wave of shows I was talking about premiered in 2004 - 2006 during the CN City era.
I miss when CN cartoons back then all looked different from one another. Now it's all the same tumblr twitter shit.
I can almost smell them now.
And what does Ray Ray's feet smell like?
Best scene in the show.
Shame he didn't rub June's face with those meats
He should’ve been barefoot more often.
Glad he was on a growth scene
Cartoon Network had this weird thing for feet.
Then wait till you hear about Nickelodeon
They didn't seem to have faith in. It was roughly comparable to Jake Long American Dragon because the protagonist is asian (except Jake is half asian) except ones male and other is a female. Plus you have another show that focused on a musical duo that the network tried to hype it up as the next big thing
Yeah, I noticed that Cartoon Network seemed to want Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi to have a lot of merchandise. Not long after they started merchandising the show with costumes, toy lines, DVDs, and video games, the show ended up getting cancelled and they haven't really done anything with it since, not even reruns or anything
HHPAY was Sam Register's pet project after Teen Titans and he was the only reason it got made. He thought it was going to be the next big thing but it wasn't. Register ended up leaving CN for WB and there's probably rights issues with the Puffy music they used in the show too.
Don't forget they also top it up with a parade float display based on the show, along with the irl musical duo at the 2005 thanksgiving parade.
Jake Long and Juniper Lee were borderline the same show
>Magical Asian fights forces of evil
>Mentored by grandparent
>Annoying younger sibling
>Talking dog
>In a band
>Sassy friend and dimwit guy in a beanie
>San Francisco
Both shows were in production at the same time and came out a month or two apart, if I recall correctly. Perhaps the Asian American collective unconscious is very insync
They also had the thing where magic skipped a generation, for Jake it was his mom and for Juniper it was her dad. While they both claim it was a coincidence I've never bought that, I feel like one either eavesdropped on the other or they both were inspired from a third party source that never had their proposal made into a TV show.
From what I've heard, Juniper Lee was pitched to Disney first before going to Cartoon Network. So good old fashioned "Networks stealing each others ideas"
https://archives.starbulletin.com/2005/05/29/features/story4.html
It was pitched to Noggin before Cartoon Network actually. It was going to be an educational show originally. I'm not even joking
>"The Life and Times of Juniper Lee" started as a development for Noggin (now The N), Nickelodeon's educational channel.
>Winick said earlier that the idea for the character came about when "my wife and I went out one night, and fueled by hamburgers and vodka, talked about creating a girl who had adventures like 'Hellboy' and 'Buffy the vampire Slayer,' with the kids talking like grownups, and magic would be involved.
>"It then went into development with Noggin for about a year, and then the network passed on it, which was good, because 'Juniper Lee,' as an educational piece, didn't work out. It would mean taking out some adventure in order to play along. So I was thrilled that I could now make it a straight-up action-adventure-comedy."
Juniper Lee being inspired by Buffy mixed with Hellboy and Kim Possible makes more sense than people just calling it an American Dragon ripoff.
>tfw you'll never make a cartoon with your gf
Magic skipping a generation
>fights forces of evil
>Mentored by grandparent
>Annoying younger sibling
>Talking dog
>In a band
>Sassy friend and dimwit guy in a beanie
Those are kinda cliche.
Jake Long took place in NYC.
I should have taken the express train
How can you watch her show now a days anyway? Is it on any streaming sites? There a mega or something?
I believe it's on the boomerang app for majority of the series worth of episodes.
Anon, have you forgot the best dicky in show?
I always liked her design. Very underated.
Rare to see female slapstick.
I remember a very somber moment in the series where her grandma told her she could never leave her city. Imagine your whole life ahead of you and you are trapped in one place against your will.
Also just gonna put this out here when she was a lemur for that one episode it was a cute as hell design. Drawgays, please draw more of that if you are lurking.
Thanks for reminding me I still have no idea how her hair works
>no idea how her hair works
https://www.pillowfort.social/bigdad/tagged/gaz (NSFW)
I guess it's something like that. Nice sketch, by the way- I mean it.
Thanks! And hm, Gaz has a much more symmetrical/spiky Alt Bob thing going on, but I see what you mean
Juniper was the Anti-(Hi)Kari
Voicecest potential lost
Damn, knew the voice was familiar but didn't find out who it was until now
Made for ryona
Very rare to see this specially from a female child character.
I legitimately think this show failed because of the theme song. It was extremely corny even for the time, and the singer saying "YOU CAN'T STOP THE GIRL" repeatedly in that voice was just grating. It really wasn't that bad, but I personally knew a lot of people that couldn't get past the theme song.
>the theme song
I’m glad someone brought that up. I put that shit on mute after the first episode.
Idk what you're talking about but she was my crush.
IIRC the magical protector role means you're unable to leave Dan Francisco. I hope they changed that later in the show because otherwise it's fricked
I don't think that they changed it.
Poor girl. I bet Jake Long grows up to travel the word and frick all sorts of exotic b***hes while she just gets to watch the homeless crisis get worse by the year
It is a pretty terrible fate to be stuck in San Fransisco.
It's a pretty emotional scene when she finds out
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Ah, that was it. Can't help but wonder if there was some sort of generational trauma baggage the creator was trying to work out with that one
The plot point doesn't even make sense. Magical creatures can leave the city just fine, they joke about visiting other states and have dragon airports flying around the country and shit.
Any evil monster could just sneak out of the city, carry out their evil plot literally anywhere else and June would be prevented from doing her job.
Also, how did the lineage of protectors manage to stay 100% chinese over the centuries when they're bound to a small landmass in America?
Uh oh logic police!
But yeah I get it.
I don't know why the guardians of magic or whatever thought restricting the te xuan ze to one specific area would be a good idea. Maybe they explained it? I doubt it considering the show got cancelled. If Juniper was in a plane would she just phase through the whole thing or would everyone inside get crushed by the barrier?
>Any evil monster could just sneak out of the city, carry out their evil plot literally anywhere else and June would be prevented from doing her job.
Thankfully all the evil villains in this show were massively incompetent and barely even a threat to June in any way, which is a problem with the whole show.
I would assume that might have been why it was cancelled and the viewers who watched from the beginning, later realized that Juniper was unable to leave the area because of some magical spell preventing her from leaving, may have killed any continuing interest on seeing what happen next to the show. And the network looked at it as a wasted potential.
Characters like Spider-Man operates in New York just fine so I don't think being restricted to the city would mean they can't make up good stories, plus she ended up just going to the magic realm most of the time anyways. Her grandma did say she was looking for a way to reverse the spell but the show was canned so it never happened. Still I wouldn't have written it at all since it probably did turn off a lot of people watching.
I haven't watched this scene in years.
I guess it hits me a little less emotionally now that im older, it kinda feels like its really trying to have a moment, sort of hampered by the choppy animation. Grandma's bland voice acting here isn't helping it either. I mean why wait so long to tell her this? Why didn't her parents tell her sooner? I forget the reasons why she got stuck with living there, was anyone else stuck before her?
Then how grandma really tries to sell it, being stuck there, its kinda pathetic. "but bro youve seen so much, others could only dream of seeing the stuff you have!". Really grandma? I doubt any other kids are dreaming of that stuff, seeing monsters and shit.
And man this frame...caught me off guard lol.
Just hijacking this thread to ask if this is a fan made scene. I managed to determine who the characters are, but can't find an episode.
I like RayRay and the scottish dog is fun too. Plus a cute girl MC. Animation is before things got so cheap rigged garbage and Calfarts took over.
If you guys actually watched this shit, name your favorite/recommended episodes
Episode where she gets tf'd into a lemur.
The ones with Lila.
well at least she's loved by Mister-D
It seems like during that era, the only original series that the network considered successes were Foster's, Ben 10, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's a Monkey. Some might disagree with Gym Partner, but Cartoon Network did consider it a success, even if not to the same amount as Billy and Mandy and Ed, Edd n Eddy, which were still having new episodes during this era, even if they came before 2004-2006
Did any of you guys actually talk about these shows with other people irl? I can't remember having an actual conversation with anyone about this or any of the other shows from that era as a kid. Nobody watched them even though they were the only cartoons on most of the time. Everyone I know just talked about Toonami or the shit that came before or after the 2004-2006 era.
You didn't even have a conversation with people about Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends or Ben 10? Those two were really successful shows
ah you're right, I meant the other shows nobody watched
Nobody ever seemed to talk about any cartoon or videogame what so-ever up until a certain Call of Duty came out
To be fair we were always too busy playing tag or 4 square to talk other than b***hing about losing or talking shit
When I was a kid, after elementary liking cartoons was uncool. Kids just gravitated towards anime and vidya to fit in. Eventually I stopped giving a frick and started watching western cartoons again.
By the time most of these shows came out majority of anons where either in high school or late middle school. When it comes to being a nerd you either become a weeb, gamer or theater kid obsessed Harry Potter. If you didn't keep to the nerdom then you stopped watching cartoons till the MCU took off.
My memory’s hazy on both of them but I remember liking Juniper Lee more than American Dragon
Isn't Owl House the same thing? Magical girl, talking pet? Remember Star vs?
I dunno I feel in another timeline Juniper might have been a bigger show if released later in the 2010s.
Does anyone have the HD widescreen of the show?
I recall it aired on Boomerang at some point.
Its still on the Boomerang app
would people cry she looks too asian these days? or not voiced by an asian?
Cinemaphile would claim its woke diversity because the MC is asian (even though Judd Winnick based her on his irl wife) and twitter would b***h because she's voiced by a white woman instead of a strong POC. Amazing nobody gave a frick about shit like this back then.
Alot changed in 16 years, and not for the better.
They'd cry over the hair streak.
This was from the same creator as Batman: Under the Hood...
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johnny?
Because it sucked.
Nah, it was good
Visually it was good but:
1. It was hard to like the main characters, they are annoying most of the time.
2. The antagonists were usually dumb and always incompetent.
3. There was no tension most of the time, it was mostly caused and solved by magic.
4. The title sucks, the intro sucks, the only big story element (Juniper is trapped in Orchid Bay) fricking sucks.
>Juniper is trapped in Orchid Bay
Did the writers not realize how horrifying that is?
They did, that was the entire point. It was done for cheap drama. The problem was the logistics behind it, as
said.
*as
said
Sorry.
>2. The antagonists were usually dumb and always incompetent.
>3. There was no tension most of the time, it was mostly caused and solved by magic
>the only big story element (Juniper is trapped in Orchid Bay) fricking sucks.
bro it was for kids. One episode was 20 minutes long and there was no continuity pretty much. Chill out. What did you expect? Award winning thriller with multiple plot twists?
>1. It was hard to like the main characters, they are annoying most of the time.
I don't know. I haven't seen the show in over 16 years I think but I remember liking it. It was just fun and very modern.
>bro it was for kids
how does a fricker like you hang out on a place like Cinemaphile
Jake Long's bad copy
nah even as a kid i liked it just as much as jake long, way better than the later jake long seasons with the redesigns and shit
>juniper lee was one of the first Cinemaphile characters to give me those fuzzy feelings
Other way around. Juniper Lee was pitched to Disney first before going to CN.
When I was a kid I made a tuxedo mask- esque OC thay was always trying to seduce Juniper
Oh You.
we need drawgays. where smeet.
here I'm over here right now
Have you ever drawn characters from this show? Wouldn't mind seeing you draw Junipers punk friend
, or Juniper herself in human or animal form.
>Have you ever drawn characters from this show?
nah,
seems like fun tho.
remember, it's not amputee, just lazy
https://files.catbox.moe/n6vj0v.png
vid - https://files.catbox.moe/7dbm8v.mp4
>remember, it's not amputee
Nope cant unsee
I vaguely remember a episode where while everyone is at a party a side character slashes all the tires of the cars in the parking lot since they weren't invited. Outside of that it's a blank.
Probably because it sucked and like all race baiting shows had nothing actually going for it other than "look the MC isn't white!"
why did Jake long become successful and this didn’t? does sexism really hurt this much?
Jake Long was a better show. It's as simple as that.
Jake Long turns into a sexy dragon. It's as simple as that.
Thats a pretty clean screenshot of that, was it upscaled? Would be a shame if someone nude edited it
It was a 1080p release from another country, I don't think America ever got a 1080p release of the third season only the first 2 and even then every release is missing the easter episode for some reason
Thats moronic. Its an American show, cant even get its own hi def release for all seasons. People wonder why people pirate.
Her feet are too small in that scene.
Imagine if she was caught and thrown into a monster orgy
>scottish bunny milf
thiccccccccccc