How come this series wasn't as popular as Big City Greens or Miraculous Ladybug for Disney? I'm well aware that Miraculous is an acquired show from France
I knew from the first several months that Molly McGee wouldn't last too long. They were hardly rerunning the series on Disney Channel compared to Big City Greens and Miraculous
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>They were hardly rerunning the series on Disney Channel compared to Big City Greens and Miraculous
Thats your answer. Also the hiatuses killed the hype
up against yellow marketable creatures
Speaking as someone who has cable still, the inconsistency of airing kills this, and the Owl House and Amphiba, imo. It’s like when I scroll the channel, it doesn’t come up on a weekly schedule, more so like I see it’s airing on a Monday and have to wait two weeks to see it again.
They just push these series out and sprinkle them throughout the month on cable and shut it down because it “didn’t get enough viewers” then proceed to dumb its corpse on D+ not even telling anybody it’s on there
That's just the thing though, the recent DTVA cancellation train is a symptom of a larger problem: cable is dead and streaming hasn't really found its footing yet
Pirating has been a thing forever yet many popular cartoons in the 2010s somehow managed to last a good while despite easily accessible pirates floating around... Almost as if people still hadn't quite gotten rid of cable yet.
Can't find a single pirate website where this show gets big numbers though.
At kiss it's pathetically low. Then the spice knockoff, it's actually high but the website counts total visits. So if there are 20 episodes and I watched each there, the counter for ALL increases by 20, not 1. I'm pretty sure it's the one Bill whined that it had 1M views for the season finale. No, lol, it's 1M views between all episodes of both seasons, which is a pretty garbage per episode number.
I think he was talking about a latino TGAMM pirate site, part of the dark web as he called it, that had like 2M visitors.
Yes, when I said spice knockoff, that was my phone being politically correct with the spell checker. I meant Hispanic knockoff, which is indeed that Latino website.
Makes you wonder how much that reatard actually knows about marketing when he thinks some streaming website you access by plainly inputting the URL in the browser is the dark web.
Although I did hear he was selling his production team merchandise? Didn't give it a couple months before he started butchering the show lol.
I dunno, I got co-workers who call Cinemaphile the dark web.
Why would you except a creator to know anything about marketing in the first place? In fact, why would you take a twitter rant as facts? Stop giving showrunners so much credit, moron.
Tell that to Disney, the network basically makes the creators do the marketing and merchandising themselves as if they know how (they don't)
Why would I expect what the creator said on his Twitter account to be a fact on what the creator said?
Man that moron doesn't know what the dark web is, but this moron doesn't know what a fact is. Hilarious.
You're the one using twitter
Who's more moronic?
Because people don't want cartoony stuff anymore. It's too scary and threatening.
Good. That shitty style of animation only appeals to autistic morons.
Then it's right up your alley, have a nice day.
Case in point: Ruby Gillman box office.
The big reason according to show creator Bill Motz was that the show was getting pirated, and Disney has been pinching major pennies. Every cartoon is funded by it's streaming service/cable time and view share, and Molly wasn't bringing in enough paid views.
Great show, until the pirates ruined it.
Oh, if only there were other ways for shows to make money despite the pirates.
I have never seen tgamm merch. Never heard of a game like KP had 3 of. Never saw a graphic novel.
>Never saw a graphic novel
They almost had a book, and it was the most terrible waste of money you can imagine.
The only official produced merchandise are the Scratch plush (cast and crew gift) ans the Amazon print on demand shirts/pillows. Semi-official are the ambassador badges. There's also a mug design which was released by Bill and apparently is what was used for cast mugs, so I guess that kinda counts? But other than that everything is entirely unofficial.
Somebody said the Amazon prints aren't great quality, but I've never seen them in person so I don't know. Probably a decent chance they'll even discontinue those at some point now that the show has ended.
People only pirated because Disney was moronic and didn't put new episodes on D+ til months later so if you don't have cable or missed the airing you would have to find a rip if you wanted to watch it when it aired. So piracy had an effect but it's Disney's fault.
My friend, this site has a board which exists SOLELY because people around the world who got curious about why a certain TV show was being referenced everywhere could check it out on youtube. I appreciate the internet was a different place back then but his argument has a hole you can ride a horse through.
The whole aesthetic and philosophy was developed in the johnkstuff art community and they can't acknowledge that anymore and so the production process is schizophrenic
He's just being a child
They did have a lot of crazy expressions and a flexibility with the character models, especially for a show with character rigs.
Shill Botz was taking the easy way out and blaming the fans / lack of engagement / the notorious hacker John Jacob Chan IV, for his show's untimely demise, and not just acknowleding that him and his staff of Loud House writer rejects collapse their show in on itself with a series of ill-advised and unnecessary changes:
>adding a Cousin Oliver (both in a titular sense with Ollie and literal sense with Emmie)
>killing the show's central villain without ever really building him up as a proper villain / showing his motivations / show him do something other than cast useless ghosts into the Ghost Zone or brood over a geiger counter
>unfunny running joke where bull queer ghost threatens kids over his homolust
>glib "very special" episodes about mutt identity, periods, and deadbeat dads that are written inferior to season 1's two parters and ultimately came across as vanity projects by the writers to win animation awards (which they didnt kek)
>dreadful Halloween episode with loads of recycled content
>Brandon Huang's barely disguised muscle growth fetish
>Sam King's not at all disguised fat fetish self insert gets paired off with the show's most popular side character
I actually thought the latter part of season 2 made somewhat of a recovery (other than Jinx vs the Thai/Chinese/israeli and no other characters World, which was ass) but the loss of goodwill early on doomed this show from ever making a recovery.
>other than Jinx vs the Thai/Chinese/israeli and no other characters World, which was ass
What was so bad about it? I barely remember it
>I barely remember it
you just answered your own question
Ok so what were the actual problems with it?
Jinx, she's supposed to be the main antagonist but she only appears in 3 episodes, and outside of those, no one gives a frick about her. And neither does anything in those Jinx-free episodes matter to her "character arc", and vice versa. Then come the season finale, where we were supposed to care about how much of a big deal this villain was? Frick off.
>Jinx is just overall an uninteresting villain even if her song was cool
>more budget is spent on Brandon Huang's muscle growth fetish ghosts than the ghost friend's wraith forms
>no funny moments with the Todd-ified versions of the ghost friends either
>its an even shittier, emptier version of Weirdmageddon, which was already kinda shitty and empty
>some parts are just really awkward conveyed (I didnt even realize a ghost council guy got thrown into the Not Ghost Zone until he got freed kek)
>its Darryl of all people that saves the day and traps Jinx in the Fenton Thermos where she is to remain for all eternity
>traps Jinx in the Fenton Thermos where she is to remain for all eternity
Where she will presumably be gangraped into literal oblivion by the Frightmares that for some reason weren’t in this episode even though they were established as being super spooky ghosts that followed the chairman’s orders. Pretty much the single most generic way for a ghost to be defeated anyway.
It was coming off Amphibia and Owl House, which were both action shows. TG&MM was slice-of-life with musical breaks and no actual stakes compared to Anne wanting to save her friends or Luz training to be a witch with weird and colorful characters.
>blaming piracy for your failed show
Gloved mousey hands wrote this post.
Miraculous has been running on Netflix far more than it has on Disney platforms. BCG seems to be doing something right, even if it's non-syndicated slice-of-life.
>BCG seems to be doing something right
It did something right which is not premiering too close to 2020.
how many threads you need, fricking pedos?
how many times are you going to seethe?
I also wonder if the show didn't give off enough of a "this is something I can plop my five year old in front and let them watch alone" feel.
Neither of those shows are especially popular.
Doesn't Disney run BCG on repeat?
Getting reran isn't the same as being popular. No one talks about Big City Greens or even cares about it online. But it clearly gets plenty of views from it's reruns so it gets more and more time slots. It's successful but not popular, which is a weird place to be in but it seems like the creators enjoy the quiet so it's probably for the best.
>online
Maybe it's really popular with the actual child demographic?
children don't watch cartoons anymore, and much less on the disney channel
>No one talks about Big City Greens or even cares about it online
ADULTS
ARE
WORTHLESS
I don't know a popular kids show that's being ignored by adults on and off the internet. You'd see more grown ups talking about toddlershit and the numbers don't lie.
>know a popular kids show that's being ignored by adults on and off the internet.
Teen Titans Go
Less that it's ignored and more how adults fricking seethed over it despite kids liking it
>Getting reran isn't the same as being popular.
At least it's getting a fair amount of airtime and it got 4 seasons (with some possibility of getting a 5th) and tv movie, which is at least better than some of the currently aired or ended shows did.
>No one talks about Big City Greens or even cares about it online. But it clearly gets plenty of views from it's reruns so it gets more and more time slots.
Previously explained from the previous threads that it's only doing well because of the viewing data it receives from rerunning episodes but only does fairly to poorly in episode premieres. And you also have to remember that they also collect viewership data from D+, which holds more than what on cable collects.
>don't know a popular kids show that's being ignored by adults on and off the internet. You'd see more grown ups talking about toddlershit and the numbers don't lie.
If it's mostly about Bluey and Paw Patrol, since they generate appeal for general audiences as a whole and can generate conversations based on theories and things related to the episode topic, which it can go on and on or these shows harbours the relatable and grounded feel. Big City Greens doesn't exactly generate any ongoing conversation or anything to talk about.
Honestly BCG is still only alive because it came out and got popular enough before the total cartoon death era, same goes for long runners like Miraculous and Teen Titans Go. If it released a year later, it would've been cancelled after three seasons. Now is not a good time for new IPs.
Andrea
Im not even kidding. When S1 beat it over your head that Andrea is the only character that matters then you tell her to take a back seat for S2 you wonder why people stop watching
Its literally the poochie meme
>OK. When Andrea isnt on screen everyone including Molly and Libby should be asking "Where is Andrea?"
>S1 beat it over your head that Andrea is the only character that matters
What? Pretty sure that was Libby.
Funnily enough, if you read the rejected S3 scripts, S3 was going to be like 70% Libby focused.
Makes sense as a return to form considering season one had a lot of Libby in it.
However, Andrea apparently has even less screentime then she did in S2. They also completely phase out whatever friendship that was planned for these 2 characters. Molly's purpose for Andrea in the final season was just to thumbs up whenever possible because Andrea would spend all her time with her new GF instead
they were gonna turn Andrea into a writer's wish fulfillment fantasy and token LGBT rep, if that was where things were headed, then I'm glad the show was cancelled early
I think the more noteworthy thing to me reading those scripts is that there is zero negative will between Andrea and her father
Theyre not exactly bonding but there is no indication that they hate each other. It kinda just makes Davenports on Demand seem pointless because Andrea is not a charitable person she just wants to convince poor people and Molly that she is
Also checks out. Andrea felt more and more like an after thought throughout the series even in the first season.
she was a leftover from the pilot so it makes sense, Andrea was just a symptom of the bigger problem of the show which is not taking advantage of its supporting cast and setting
Andrea had way more potential as a foil to Molly then she did as a friend.
But Scratch was already the foi- Oh, wait.
What?
Wouldn't Ollie be the poochie?
Genuinely why are all Andreagays like this? I haven't seen this level of delusion, cope, bitterness, and just naked jealousy in fans of a character in a long time. Your waifu wasn't a main character. I'm sorry. Get over it.
They were desperate for Pacifica the Squeakquel.
It’d be closer to Pacifica: Road Chip
It also doesnt help how Maxwell and Andrea's Mom look like tweaked up versions of Preston and Pacifica's Mom.
It feels like all of Molly McGee felt like "Lets make a whole series based around the Ep where people started shipping Pacifica with Dipper but lets drag it out and make it worse."
>make a whole series based around the Ep
Delusional.
That was actually Star vs.
The dates even match.
You're indeed delusional to see Pacifica in Andrea. Pacifica was pure neutral, maybe unlawful neutral. Andrea is on the good row.
I read that in JFK's voice
>No one likes the Toothpaste Haired Lesbian.
>How come this series wasn't as popular
boring as frick
No
It was very good but flew under the kids radar since I guess Big City Greens already filled their comedic needs. I think it got more traction online than their other series, but Disney had no faith in it and just got rid of it. Like they're gonna get rid of Hailey's On It and Moon Girl.
I bet it's cuz new execs came in and want to swipe the slate clean, that's usually why shows get canceled nowadays. The shows live and die depending on what executives are in charge, and if they like the show or not. A show can be a flop and keep going just because a higher-up likes it. Why else do you think Victor and Valentino lasted for as long as it did?
>Why else do you think Victor and Valentino lasted for as long as it did?
The situation is a bit different since CN was about to be on the verge of the great execution, with WB division as whole. That show alone wasn't great and they really wanted to go for one more season to resolve the cliffhanger that never got resolved.
AT&T did and help further the damage even more which lead to giving WB in the hands of the man that's only willing to slash majority of the producer's project in any form as a form of a tax-write to lower WB's decades long of debt.
One should note of what happened in 2022, which goes down as amongst the worst year for animation as whole, which side effect affected for 2023 with the writer strikes.
The show started really strong but was undermined by its own core premise.
It was a stock morality play plot where Molly learns to do the right thing, but flipped around so that the one telling her to do the right thing was a stupid, obnoxious dick who mostly wanted her to do it because it was funny to watch Molly suffer, which is a great take on the captain planet whiner-is-always-wrong type psychology. It let the writers be as preachy as they wanted but since the mouthpiece character was Master Shake it never FELT especially preachy.
The problem is this dynamic only works when Scratch has the moral high ground and he only has the moral high ground with Molly for the most part. Every new character introduced into Scratch's ecosystem watered down the dynamic and made the show less directed and you can see a steady decline across the whole of the show because of this.
That and hurriedly boxing every plot thread at the end of S1 because they were afraid of getting shitcanned which left nothing to springboard off in S2.
Then ironically they actually got shitcanned in season 2 when they still had a lost lest unresolved
The takeaway was more that a lot of times Molly wound up doing something silly, got in over her head, had her big plans backfire, etc, but the net result of her putting herself out there, sometimes failing and sometimes not, was that things worked out for the better and she had a net positive impact. Scratch's mentality of always choosing the safe, bare minimum option with low chances of failure resulted in him living a solitary, boring, and ultimately unfulfilled life with very little joy.
I had a really silly idea for something the show could do where it starts off with Andrea becoming disconnected from her father so Molly goes to Andrea and asks her to find something you both can agree upon and expand from there
It then later gets revealed that with Andrea and her dad bonding again, Maxwell now has an easier time corrupting Andrea to think more selfishly even more so then she normally does
The joke being how Molly giving the easiest and simplest advice possible ends up making the town worse for everyone. Like the idea is that Molly didnt consider the idea that Andrea would be so dumb and so bold to twist her phrasing where it would doom everyone involved.
It's uninteresting. Everything from the premise to the art steel have no sense of whimsy to it..
>I knew from the first several months that Molly McGee wouldn't last too long.
W-wuh… ?
This is the same company that rejected Katz Cafe for Primos and cucked Wander out of a third season. Nothing is a shock anymore. They blame people for not watching it when they themselves stopped the advertising for TGAMM once it no longer was the new show of the channel and sent it out on random ass days for Disney+ drops.
Shut the frick up about your stupid stillborn cat show already.
I am just pointing out the bigger problem of how Disney cannot stop making bad decisions. Katz Cafe getting cucked so Primos could exist is one of many examples
Primos looks good.
how
Tater's voice is good, art style as a whole is nice enough (though yes some of the character designs are not very appealing - except for Tater), theme song is catchy, premise sounds like it could be fun.
woy didn't need another season. it was a thin/lame premise from the get go.
>and cucked Wander out of a third season
I’m still mad
This makes me realize that if it weren't for the pity finale we'd never know for sure that Scratch was Todd despite how obvious it was.
The entire global population of people interested in this show consisted of 3 autists on Cinemaphile
I knew from before it even started airing that it wouldn't last long
And they were all Andrea simps.
Just saw "Out of House and Home"/"Home is Where the Haunt Is" for the first time.
>Scratch is supposed to be a lazy screw-up that's in bad ties with the Ghost Council for being a lousy scarer.
>Here he actually works really hard maintaining the house and taking care of Pete, and then he's shows he's actually pretty good at scaring.
How about the fact that were suppose to believe that Andrea gives a shit that Molly is homeless and their explanation for this sudden and completely inorganic character shift was about how Andrea is like a Geode. On the outside she's hard but on the inside she's way more pleasing
If Andrea already hates the poor on a surface level she shouldnt care at all if the McGees are sleeping in their car. If they were adamant about Andrea getting Molly her house back what they should have done was have Andrea buy back the house but put her name under the land deed title. This creates the conflict where Molly never has to worry about paying for rent or mortgage for the house but since the name of the house is in Andrea's name, Molly's servitude towards Andrea has to be enforced unless Andrea suggests otherwise
That way you can have a partial redemption where Andrea did a good thing but it wasnt for the purpose of doing a good thing it was a selfish thing pretending it was something nuanced
Considering how they pushed Libby as a conspiracy theorist in the first season, I think she should've figured out Molly's issue. Then Andrea could've chimed in like "Do you know how many followers I'm gonna get for this charity work!? It's gonna be huge! Quick, say on camera how sad you were to be homeless, and how glad you are I helped you get your place back!" rather than a pulled out of the ass "Molly! We made a movie together and you helped me coverup the cookie scam thing! Of course we're best friends!!"
But you know, this is written by moronic women and directed by old men not paying it any attention to keep the consistency in check, so stuff like this is bound to happen.
It should have been a much bigger deal that Andrea actually willingly wanted to spend the night at Molly's house. The same house she got back for Molly in a random act of charity
I was also banking on the idea that Sharon couldnt subsist off of Gig Pig forever even tho that plotline is also dropped because even Bill and Bob realized how boring Molly's family were
They should have done an Ep where Sharon has no other option and gets a job at Davenports and Andrea becomes her supervisor.
Then the conflict comes from either Sharon debating which is worse, being unemployed and not providing for the family or humiliating herself for the Davenports
Of course they'd never consider this because Sharon is a colored woman and they would never have a white capitalist family emasculate the ESG class.
Speaking of big city sneeds, Is any of this footage new?
https://twitter.com/DisneySchedules/status/1578093077910126603
What are all of the unique non-series TGAMM animations? I know there's the
>pilot animation with the earlier designs
>the two Broken Karaokes
>Chibiverse shit
>3 theme song takeovers
>Libby in that Anxious song
>Scratch calls the Haunted Mansion
>Molly and Scratch hosting the spring Disney shorts compilation with Libby as their audience
I know the animation in the shorts isn't up to par with the series, but whatever.
The show could've gotten twenty seasons and Andrea would never be a ghost friend
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
What the frick do they even mean by this. The whole point of Davenports exisiting was that it was the sole reason why Brighton became an impoverished shithole. Even Maxwell knew that his super store would allow him to buy up huge areas of Brighton for virtually nothing that way he could build more Davenports
The last thing people would want Andrea to be is a Pro Small Business Owner because that defeats the whole point of her character
That's not even a coherent response.
Boys
don't
watch
girly
garbage
Men do, evidentially.
Pedophiles downloading MEGAs didn't save this flop either
I wouldn't say TGAMM was particularly girly. But yes, I could see a boy not watching it.
I can't see any kids watching it, really. Seems like kids these days don't go out of their way to watch cartoons.
>kids these days don't go out of their way to watch cartoons
that's been the case for years now yet industry and talking heads are still in denial about the dwindling relevance of cartoons in kids entertainment
It's too bad that they gave Patty a cameo in "The End." Of all the S3 bits to consider canon, her death would've been near the top of my list.
I don’t understand. Does Cinemaphile hate Patty or something?
Yes.
Well I don't hate her at all. Their plan of having her die (for real, no ghost) after Molly helped her reconnect with Linda would've been nice closure for one of the show's longest running secondary characters and a good way to demonstrate the concept of the Ghost World as a purgatory for those who died with regrets/unfinished business. Her death in season 3 was probably something they had in mind since they first introduced the character.
Crazy how we were robbed of the one episode that would've made sense of The Ghost World, a setting that honestly felt like an afterthought throughout Season 2. I love the idea of it functioning as a sort of purgatory for deceased people with unfinished business. Feels like a pivotal bit of worldbuilding for the series to be missing.
Molly fans should be lucky their show actually got made and wasn't a rejected pitch like the cat cafe one that should've been made instead of Primos
Why are you hating on Primos? It's not even out yet.
>racist af
>Loud House again but hispanic
>ugly ass animation and art style, a surprise for DTVA
>doesn't even get its culture right
>now was recently revealed that it cucked us of the ideal companion piece to Hilda/Molly that would've formed modern western animation's perfect little trilogy, salt to an open wound
>now was recently revealed that it cucked us of the ideal companion piece to Hilda/Molly that would've formed modern western animation's perfect little trilogy, salt to an open wound
Katz Cafe looked boring as frick, you b***hes only ever like things you don't have.
>Katz Cafe looked boring as frick
perhaps, but it certainly deserved to exist over Primos
>its culture
Well the creator is a mixed race woman who admittedly grew up knowing very little Spanish, so in that sense I guess it is faithful.
It's like that meme image of two cartoonists creating latino inspired shows, with the first having no knowledge of south american culture
"Hola amigos! My name is Sergio and I like to eat tacos and today is cinco de mayo!
>x show is the reason we didn't get y show!
You're starting to sound like owlgays talking about molly
Unlike most cases, you literally can't make a genuine argument about why Primos was a better pitch to greenlit then Katz Cafe
Well, based on the versions presented as part of the leak, Primos had a better produced pitch bible. Granted Katz Cafe still had a version number so that might've just been a rough WIP.
>racist af
South America doesn't matter to North (Best) America.
Who knows if one would've really been better than the other. The premise of Katz Cafe is certainly more fantastical than Primos, but I don't personally feel that makes it inherently better.
A middle aged guy "ghost" staying in the bedroom of a little girl is just outlandish