This. One of the few things I don't like about films is that made Gimli a bumbling moron to the point Aragorn just looks annoyed he's even there most of the time. In the books he's badass, more so than legolas iirc
I think people who complain about the Jackson trilogy not being faithful enough are generally morons with no sense of perspective, but Gimli really is the one place where those movies seriously stumble and fail. Movie Gimli just isn't 1/5th the character book Gimli is and unlike most other changes there's no real argument that he had to be like this to fit a cinematic structure or anything like that.
He's pretty much straight up the reverse of his book version whose most defining trait is his sense of dignity.
Wrong. Gimli was actually in the neuroscience program at the University of Moria, but got expelled for insensitive comments towards orcs during a drunken tirade
humour and romantic love scenes is really what ruined these films. it's an anti-epic and modernist in spirit. lotr was a poetry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_(genre)
well it's translated into modern english, duh. He would have said a dwarven word for skull but they wanted to keep it modern.
"He" is also not a pronoun in Dwarvish.
The Greeks knew about the nervous system like two thousand years ago. In a fantasy setting it's easy to imagine they did the same specifically the elves.
>Elves can just use magic to xray inside homies brain
The Greeks knew about the nervous system like two thousand years ago. In a fantasy setting it's easy to imagine they did the same specifically the elves.
How can this happen? They can see 15 miles away with their naked eye. But nothing about Electromagnetic Radiation.
He does elaborate. He doesn't sing a song about being the oldest: >Eh, what? Don’t you know my name yet? That’s the only answer. Tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless? But you are young and I am old. Eldest, that’s what I am. Mark my words, my friends: Tom was here before the river and the trees; Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn. He made paths before the Big People, and saw the little People arriving. He was here before the Kings and the graves and the Barrow-wights. When the Elves passed westward, Tom was here already, before the seas were bent. He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from Outside.
He is what came before and he is what will remain after. The ring is nothing worth his attention.
I remember having this girl at my office hours back in my TA days. She told me she majored in Medieval History. I started sperging out with her and then she outed herself as a dumb Stacy when started mumbling about how people back in those times were just too stupid. She didn’t know about the fall of Rome…
homie how can you be in your senior year of a medieval history major and not know about the literal fricking origins of it? These are the people I had to compete with in my undergraduate applications ffs. Insane.
First of all I highly doubt there's a "medieval history" major because that's a grad level focus. But like I said, they solely focus on women and gays within those societies.
Bro there is literally an island full of gods who can create life and manipulate pure matter just a short boat ride aways I’m pretty sure people can figure out what a nerve is
Sauronmans tower is clearly a walking distance from the king theodons city. We know this because when the king sent sir wormtongue away, he traveled by foot and was already at sauronmans in the next scene.
So that means that wormthongue could have easily serve sauronman his menu meal every day
>pain aux asticots
I hate that I googled this and it's a real thing. What the frick, French people?
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>pain aux asticots
NTA, but I've tried searching for it and it doesn't really yield much, it seems to be a mix-up of things like French breads and the (fricked-up) Italian "casu marzu" (which *is* real).
Well, you see there are no orcish "restaurants" but there are cafeteria-type eating-houses, generally providing a cauldron full of a food to be shared among "patrons." So they would be familiar with the concept of a menu. Certainly orcish menus won't overwhelm you with choices... They're more of an overview of what's available to put in your face. Like a high school cafeteria menu.
For example: >WELCOME TO GLOB-GLAGZ'S CARNARIUM >THIS WEEK'S MENU >MONDAY: BRAISED HOBBIT WITH SEASONAL ROOT VEGETABLES >TUESDAY: LEG OF MAN >WEDNESDAY: GENERAL SAURON'S CHICKEN >THURSDAY: PULLED ELF SANDWICHES >FRIDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD >SATURDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD >SUNDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD
i think you have to keep in mind that whatever the orc is saying is translated from orcish and then given some poetic license to make it entertaining and convey the general sentiment
so if the orc says 'meat's back on the menu' it's to convey the whimsical revelry an orc has towards the idea of eating humans/elves as presumably they've run out, and also conveys the presumptuousness and confidence of the orc expecting to win the battle
also the level of sophistication implied by the term menu is purely part of the poetic license, like imagine if we were subtitling footage of gorillas, and used 'king' to refer to the leader of the pack - that's the subtitlist trying to match the sentiment of the gorilla but unavoidably adding a thin layer of comedy due to the connotation of 'king' with a relatively advanced medieval civilization.
It was cut for a reason. Merry and pippin getting drunk on ent cum was fricking moronic.
If ent water makes you a giant, why dont everyone drink it and win the war like that?
I literally watched that last night and wondered that exact thing. I suppose it's possible some high councils of middle earth medicine have performed dissections and experiments over the millenia.
or it's just some corny comic relief
Clearly everyone in LOTR has some knowledge of genetics and medicine. Here in The Hobbit 2, Legolas displays some understanding of genetic aberrations that could arise during breeding.
It's bad writing, they thought it sounded pithy, but really it's just out of place. Nerds are like that, they've just read too much Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett.
Because Gimli's lines are all comedy relief garbage written by that bearded hack Jackson.
This. One of the few things I don't like about films is that made Gimli a bumbling moron to the point Aragorn just looks annoyed he's even there most of the time. In the books he's badass, more so than legolas iirc
I think people who complain about the Jackson trilogy not being faithful enough are generally morons with no sense of perspective, but Gimli really is the one place where those movies seriously stumble and fail. Movie Gimli just isn't 1/5th the character book Gimli is and unlike most other changes there's no real argument that he had to be like this to fit a cinematic structure or anything like that.
He's pretty much straight up the reverse of his book version whose most defining trait is his sense of dignity.
Wrong. Gimli was actually in the neuroscience program at the University of Moria, but got expelled for insensitive comments towards orcs during a drunken tirade
>tfw you call your lab partner a dumb orcBlack person...
humour and romantic love scenes is really what ruined these films. it's an anti-epic and modernist in spirit. lotr was a poetry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_(genre)
they teach that kinda thing in school
biology class in dwarf school
well it's translated into modern english, duh. He would have said a dwarven word for skull but they wanted to keep it modern.
"He" is also not a pronoun in Dwarvish.
He went to Dwarfward
*looks at camera*
What was the tuition rate for dwarf medical school?
too damn high
Nice fake sub. He actually said "He's got my axe embedded in this nerd, this is dumb!"
>who was Pete and what did Boromir know of him?
>how did Orcs know about a menu?
>did Theodin have alzheimers?
He clearly says "For pity's sake"
Please shitpost more accurately
n-no
Who was Pity? Is she related to Pate?
>tomatoes
>potatoes
>oliphaunts
Tolkien's a hack
D&D 5e rules
The Greeks knew about the nervous system like two thousand years ago. In a fantasy setting it's easy to imagine they did the same specifically the elves.
Elves can just use magic to xray inside homies brain and learn about the nourvous system. Some of the elves propably told gimli about the nerves
>Elves can just use magic to xray inside homies brain
How can this happen? They can see 15 miles away with their naked eye. But nothing about Electromagnetic Radiation.
wtf that pepe?
They studied dead people, duh
I blame Hackson
what a merry fellow
He does elaborate. He doesn't sing a song about being the oldest:
>Eh, what? Don’t you know my name yet? That’s the only answer. Tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless? But you are young and I am old. Eldest, that’s what I am. Mark my words, my friends: Tom was here before the river and the trees; Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn. He made paths before the Big People, and saw the little People arriving. He was here before the Kings and the graves and the Barrow-wights. When the Elves passed westward, Tom was here already, before the seas were bent. He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from Outside.
He is what came before and he is what will remain after. The ring is nothing worth his attention.
Mine axe hath struck the phlegm, and yet moves the limbs, though the beast lives not
the 2nd and 3rd movie really went to shit
I hate how modern "people" think our ancestors were morons. In fact, it's the opposite.
I hate how modern "people" think our ancestors weren't morons. In fact. it's the opposite.
modern "people" can't survive three days outside of a city.
I remember having this girl at my office hours back in my TA days. She told me she majored in Medieval History. I started sperging out with her and then she outed herself as a dumb Stacy when started mumbling about how people back in those times were just too stupid. She didn’t know about the fall of Rome…
Anon, women in history fields are there to learn about dumb "intersectional" shit, not actual history.
homie how can you be in your senior year of a medieval history major and not know about the literal fricking origins of it? These are the people I had to compete with in my undergraduate applications ffs. Insane.
First of all I highly doubt there's a "medieval history" major because that's a grad level focus. But like I said, they solely focus on women and gays within those societies.
Bro there is literally an island full of gods who can create life and manipulate pure matter just a short boat ride aways I’m pretty sure people can figure out what a nerve is
How do Orcs know what a menu is?
You think Saruman is going to go get his own roast chicken?
Certainly Sauronman has his own personal assistant to take care of that, not some low level grunt
Wormtongueman is his cook and a servant
Grimy liarface didn't always live with him, Saurman definitely had some orc bring him food at some point
Sauronmans tower is clearly a walking distance from the king theodons city. We know this because when the king sent sir wormtongue away, he traveled by foot and was already at sauronmans in the next scene.
So that means that wormthongue could have easily serve sauronman his menu meal every day
He takes a horse, moron.
Fact: Saruman had human servants at Orthanc long before he recruited an orc army
>being this dumb
Wizards like Saruman and Gandalf don't eat food. They are Maiar. Never do you see them eat food.
Once they take physical form they need to eat and sleep
And have sex
Why wouldn't they know what a menu is
Are there Orc restaurants?
No but they have have a choice in what they eat, just because they don't order it from a waiter and pay after eating doesn't make it not a menu
In fact more things are menus to orcs than they are to us
Like a human female is an orcish rape-menu
Orc menu
>1. pain aux asticots
>chair d'homme
End of menu
>pain aux asticots
I hate that I googled this and it's a real thing. What the frick, French people?
>pain aux asticots
NTA, but I've tried searching for it and it doesn't really yield much, it seems to be a mix-up of things like French breads and the (fricked-up) Italian "casu marzu" (which *is* real).
Menu wasnt a thing untill the french revolution
It's a 19th century word.
They raid human villages and inns.
So they can read, let alone read human writing?
The leaders probably do. It's easy to see how it would spread among them.
We saw like one or two higher level Orcs, absolutely no indication Joe Orc would have any clue.
Orcs are corrupted humans and elves and they do retain some of their original skills and knowledge.
Aren't orcs mortal? So they'd be born and die quickly without inherited knowledge, same as humans.
They have Waffle Houses in Mordor
Even though Orcs are technically white people???
Well, you see there are no orcish "restaurants" but there are cafeteria-type eating-houses, generally providing a cauldron full of a food to be shared among "patrons." So they would be familiar with the concept of a menu. Certainly orcish menus won't overwhelm you with choices... They're more of an overview of what's available to put in your face. Like a high school cafeteria menu.
For example:
>WELCOME TO GLOB-GLAGZ'S CARNARIUM
>THIS WEEK'S MENU
>MONDAY: BRAISED HOBBIT WITH SEASONAL ROOT VEGETABLES
>TUESDAY: LEG OF MAN
>WEDNESDAY: GENERAL SAURON'S CHICKEN
>THURSDAY: PULLED ELF SANDWICHES
>FRIDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD
>SATURDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD
>SUNDAY: MAGGOTY BREAD
How would they know what a menu is if there's a single cauldron of slop?
i think you have to keep in mind that whatever the orc is saying is translated from orcish and then given some poetic license to make it entertaining and convey the general sentiment
so if the orc says 'meat's back on the menu' it's to convey the whimsical revelry an orc has towards the idea of eating humans/elves as presumably they've run out, and also conveys the presumptuousness and confidence of the orc expecting to win the battle
also the level of sophistication implied by the term menu is purely part of the poetic license, like imagine if we were subtitling footage of gorillas, and used 'king' to refer to the leader of the pack - that's the subtitlist trying to match the sentiment of the gorilla but unavoidably adding a thin layer of comedy due to the connotation of 'king' with a relatively advanced medieval civilization.
there's so many dumb "comedy" scenes in the two towers extended.
It was cut for a reason. Merry and pippin getting drunk on ent cum was fricking moronic.
If ent water makes you a giant, why dont everyone drink it and win the war like that?
The ents most powerful defence is being so slow and dull people forget they exist
Be honest. You'd drink Ent jizz to get taller.
You know you can see nerves from a corpse, right? They're not invisible.
>How did Gimli know about the 'Nervous System'?
Dissecting orcs with his axe.
dwarves dig deep into the earth for radiated metals
I literally watched that last night and wondered that exact thing. I suppose it's possible some high councils of middle earth medicine have performed dissections and experiments over the millenia.
or it's just some corny comic relief
I dunno man, why don't you go ask the 10 year old reddit post you stole this from.
moron people knew about nervous systems in ancient greece
>What's this? Goblin Mutant?
Clearly everyone in LOTR has some knowledge of genetics and medicine. Here in The Hobbit 2, Legolas displays some understanding of genetic aberrations that could arise during breeding.
Menugays there's a tavern/inn within the first hour of the first movie
Plenty of Greeks and Romans studied stuff like that. Why wouldn't a knowledgeable Dwarf at higher tech level know?
It's bad writing, they thought it sounded pithy, but really it's just out of place. Nerds are like that, they've just read too much Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett.