Truth is, not everyone wants to watch what's practically a vanity project
Anyone who says it's specifically because of the lesbians is wrong
It's not a bad movie because it has lesbians in it, it's a bad movie because it's boring as hell
Here's a rule of mine, if your film needs to peddle politics in order sell tickets, it's probably not a good film. It's the same reason that Christian fundamentalist films like God's Not Dead and Dinesh D'Souza documentaries consistently fail at the box office. They're fundamentally bad films that use ideological appeal to compensate for fundamentally bad filmmaking.
The question is since we're all sure Disney hires competent marketing executives and researchers, they already know this and yet do it anyway. Why are they like that?
I stand by my statement.
I don't get it. Kinda like how I don't get how kids find ear-rape funny. And I don't mean the "I made some poor fool listen to ear-rape" tormenting aspect, I mean the "I will knowingly and repeatedly listen to ear-rape and laugh every time" aspect.
Minions is on that level for me.
Then the Minions movies aren't for you, just like how you don't like the Lightyear movie.
You're beginning to understand that they don't make movies for you personally, but the woke crowd are self-centered egotists and firmly believe everything should adhere to their views.
At this point, I'm pretty sure that Ari Folman's Anne Frank vaporware movie would be more financially successful if they actually bothered to release in the US than Lightyear albeit entirely because it would be getting free press in the form /misc/ REEEEEEing and Cinemaphile flooding the internet with pregnant Anne Frank porn
>I'm not a fan but isn't despicable me/minions somehow one of the highest grossing film franchises of all time?
And Disney Pixar isn't? >That's like asking how Through A Scanner Darkly got mogged by Star Wars
No, that's asking why Annoying Orange (Minions) mogged Star Wars (a disney pixar product)
Minions have been a thing nonstop for like a decade now, it's to a point where they're a meme about a meme about a meme. Toy Story, while much better doesn't have that level of cultural cache.
>while much better
Toy Story was fantastic, though its effects have been a disaster on animation. Toy Story 2 was great. Toy Story 3 was alright. Toy Story 4 was bad. We Wuz Star Command is trying to draw water from an empty well.
Illumination's entire deal is lowest denominator mass appeal.
Pixar, for better or worse, make whatever shit they want, even if it ends up shit.
Pixar didn't forget. Pixar isn't "making what it wants." This all implies current Pixar is the same group of people as original Pixar, which just isn't the case.
Current Pixar isn't Pixar. It's ideologues who wormed their way into power by displacing the original creators through struggle sessions and purity tests.
>dark and gritty art direction for a lighthearted space adventure >crappy art direction that doesn't even take advantage of Buzz's retro futurism >shitty interstellar rip off >no fun aliens >shitty twist villian again >pales in comparison to the straight to video Buzz Lightyear cartoon and its series >black lesbians shoved in to push an agenda rather than interesting characters >shitty side characters >Buzz acts like a moron instead of a hero
Gee I wonder how it could have ever failed...
when lightyear was first shown i thought it was a weird practical joke someone made. at no point did it ever click as an actual film that was going to be in cinemas. hearing that it's a fricking interstellar style sci-fi movie, i still don't believe it exists.
>I’m a lone wolf man who must do everything and has no friends and must complete the mission! >oh hey black girl who I’ve been working with for years and trust
Didn’t give buzz chance to grow, it’s so sloppily pasted together I feel like they rewrote it several time. If you want a loner to grow and accept people don’t show him being part of a team. Was that too sigma/toxic? I get what you were going for but you couldn’t make it work for some reason. Don’t matter if the black b***h was white with big tiddy and knocked up by buzz’s dumber hick brother, it still be shit.
Also this movie a 10 year old saw and liked it so much he wanted to get the toy?
Disney pretty much had a blank canvas to do a story and settled for no tone nonsense.
Ditch the stupid time bullshit and get crystal from alien queen or some cheesy cliché journey. Do the twist aliens are not mindless bugs but tribe hive and the bugs got the crystal crown from robots threat. mention buzz dad got lost in this sector and don’t reveal its future buzz.
It'd have done worse tbh. For all its flaws, Lightyear at least had brand recognition to get asses in theater seats. Now imagine it's a new IP and word of mouth is as it currently goes and worse still because there's no in-built affection for the property to rely on.
It’s funny right, Pixar has ther own “minions” right there but they were like “nuh uh, those are the Pizza Planet Aliens, they have nothing to do with Buzz” despite Buzz getting frequently paired with them in merch and even the Astro Blasters ride at the parks, not to mention that cartoon that they love to ignore.
Complete tonal whiplash, the movie has zero connection to the beloved toy version. His new design sucks too, it was clearly meant to capture the adult audience that watched the Toy Story movies but the character had 0 likeability compared to TS Buzz.
I'd say I'm pretty normie for someone who posts here.
I think the main issue is no one cares about it, it just looks dull. Anyone with kids is just going to watch it on Disney+, and that seems to be the demographic. Yeah, I liked Toy Story as a kid, I don't give a shit about the backstory of the toys outside of how it directly impacts the actual characters we know (ala Woody in 2).
Fellow "pretty normie for a Cinemaphile poster," and I completely agree. I can't imagine bringing my kid to it if they were old enough (they're not yet), and it seemed too boring for me to watch on my own. My spouse loved Toy Story growing up and didn't seem to care either. It's hard to know who the audience is for.
Lightyear was an inevitable flop all together. The movie was barely marketable, like from October when the "Starman" trailer was released to in near it's release date, I have barely see anything more than a TV Spot, and then, on top of that, it was Father's Day weekend. This felt like a Valerian-situation. It LOOKED good but beyond that, it failed on everything else. I guess the "cherry-on-top" was the conservative crowd who was turned off by the kiss.
The movie looked visually uninteresting, the connection to Toy Story confused lots of people, and early reviews called it mid. Minions is very upfront about the kind of stupid "brain off" bullshit fun it is, so people gravitated towards that.
Seriously, is it such a fricking mystery to you guys?
One can literally look at this poster, and be immediately turned off by unattractiveness. In an animated film, where they can have the best performers look as good as they want. This is simply unacceptable.
Despicable Me as a franchise still has plenty of life left in it and is actually culturally relevant.
Toy Story was already creatively played out and the IP had essentially been dead for over a decade with its cultural relevance reduced to cheap 9/11 jokes.
e-celebs who kvetch about Lightyear being wokeshit are right, but they're only seeing 1/10th of the problem. People don't hate Lightyear because it's woke, they hate Lightyear because it's a fundamentally bad film that no one wanted and didn't ask for. It was an overpriced attempt to revive a franchise that had already been put to rest and fell flat on its ass.
Two things,
One, Tim Allen did it better
Two, I'm a dinosaur, so I am suppose to just die off. Remember that the next time you expect people to show up to your sh!t show.
Lightyear doesn't look that fun, lesbians aside. They took what should have been a cool idea, the supposed in-universe movie the toy is based on, and made it look drab and bland. It doesn't help that we were already given an example of it being done well in the animated series. Now that's something I can imagine having a cool and marketable toy. It's funny how much this movie, which is meant to be the original inspiration for the toy, looks like it would really be a modern reboot of the actual in-universe movie that inspired the toy. That would be pretty meta.
The average person doesn't want to watch woke trash. The average woketard doesn't watch Disney.
Pretty obvious tbo
Here's a rule of mine, if your film needs to peddle politics in order sell tickets, it's probably not a good film. It's the same reason that Christian fundamentalist films like God's Not Dead and Dinesh D'Souza documentaries consistently fail at the box office. They're fundamentally bad films that use ideological appeal to compensate for fundamentally bad filmmaking.
The question is since we're all sure Disney hires competent marketing executives and researchers, they already know this and yet do it anyway. Why are they like that?
Define woke trash
Nothing about Lightyear sounded good.
That being said, nothing about Minions sounds good to me, but I never understood their appeal.
>but I never understood their appeal.
>yellow beans speak gibberish and make jokes
I stand by my statement.
I don't get it. Kinda like how I don't get how kids find ear-rape funny. And I don't mean the "I made some poor fool listen to ear-rape" tormenting aspect, I mean the "I will knowingly and repeatedly listen to ear-rape and laugh every time" aspect.
Minions is on that level for me.
Then the Minions movies aren't for you, just like how you don't like the Lightyear movie.
You're beginning to understand that they don't make movies for you personally, but the woke crowd are self-centered egotists and firmly believe everything should adhere to their views.
Sing 2 was more successful than Encanto, Turning Red, and Lightyear (and more to come).
Lots of things were more successful than Budget Red.
I never understood this post. The 19 million USD revenue was from countries where they don't have Disney+, right?
You realize it was only released in a couple theaters because it was mainly a Disney+ release right?
>thinking the modern equivalent of straight to DVD is not an Instant failure
>our movie was a financial failure, just less of one than that!
This industry is in a state of decay, increasing ever so slightly by the day.
At this point, I'm pretty sure that Ari Folman's Anne Frank vaporware movie would be more financially successful if they actually bothered to release in the US than Lightyear albeit entirely because it would be getting free press in the form /misc/ REEEEEEing and Cinemaphile flooding the internet with pregnant Anne Frank porn
Illumination's entire deal is lowest denominator mass appeal.
Pixar, for better or worse, make whatever shit they want, even if it ends up shit.
first: the film was average
second: the 'big bad' of lightyear was a letdown and there were writing inconsistencies
third: sci-fi is dead
What was the last good sci do film? The last one I can remember was Oblivion.
Dune came out last year, where the frick were you?
>Dune came out last year, where the frick were you?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were living in 1985. How are the Soviets doing in Afghanistan?
Imagine making the minions part of your political platform
So is yours Buzz Lightyear then? I don't get it.
wokies started using movies as culture war battlegrounds first
At no point did the OP get political, Lightyear was a letdown of a movie and paid the price.
I'm not a fan but isn't despicable me/minions somehow one of the highest grossing film franchises of all time?
That's like asking how Through A Scanner Darkly got mogged by Star Wars
>I'm not a fan but isn't despicable me/minions somehow one of the highest grossing film franchises of all time?
And Disney Pixar isn't?
>That's like asking how Through A Scanner Darkly got mogged by Star Wars
No, that's asking why Annoying Orange (Minions) mogged Star Wars (a disney pixar product)
Minions have been a thing nonstop for like a decade now, it's to a point where they're a meme about a meme about a meme. Toy Story, while much better doesn't have that level of cultural cache.
>while much better
Toy Story was fantastic, though its effects have been a disaster on animation. Toy Story 2 was great. Toy Story 3 was alright. Toy Story 4 was bad. We Wuz Star Command is trying to draw water from an empty well.
Looked boring.
Pixar forgot the core foundation of their films, rock solid scriptwork,
Pixar didn't forget. Pixar isn't "making what it wants." This all implies current Pixar is the same group of people as original Pixar, which just isn't the case.
Current Pixar isn't Pixar. It's ideologues who wormed their way into power by displacing the original creators through struggle sessions and purity tests.
>dark and gritty art direction for a lighthearted space adventure
>crappy art direction that doesn't even take advantage of Buzz's retro futurism
>shitty interstellar rip off
>no fun aliens
>shitty twist villian again
>pales in comparison to the straight to video Buzz Lightyear cartoon and its series
>black lesbians shoved in to push an agenda rather than interesting characters
>shitty side characters
>Buzz acts like a moron instead of a hero
Gee I wonder how it could have ever failed...
>that twist villain
That was almost insulting
Shit I didn't consider the other Chris plot twist time travel villain
I know Lost in Space did it too (somewhat). But Rex is more recent
It's honestly confusing how they fricked up such a simple concept so badly.
Dune was a pleasant surprise to be sure.
This. at this point, I just wanted to watch Buzz Light Year of Star Command.
Hard turn off when we saw the promo/trailer
Man it should have been epic space battles like what we saw at the beginning of toy story 2.
Who the hell is this character and why should I care?
this. they saw this and immediately knew what to expect.
Idk it just looked really boring from promotional materials, so I didn't want to see it
You, that type of Pixar boring, like Cars 3 or Toy Story 4
Rating/popularity wars are The discussion equivalent of eating clay, it makes you artificially full but you just long For real food
when lightyear was first shown i thought it was a weird practical joke someone made. at no point did it ever click as an actual film that was going to be in cinemas. hearing that it's a fricking interstellar style sci-fi movie, i still don't believe it exists.
A prequel for the fictional story for a fictional toy just didnt grab me
>I’m a lone wolf man who must do everything and has no friends and must complete the mission!
>oh hey black girl who I’ve been working with for years and trust
Didn’t give buzz chance to grow, it’s so sloppily pasted together I feel like they rewrote it several time. If you want a loner to grow and accept people don’t show him being part of a team. Was that too sigma/toxic? I get what you were going for but you couldn’t make it work for some reason. Don’t matter if the black b***h was white with big tiddy and knocked up by buzz’s dumber hick brother, it still be shit.
Also this movie a 10 year old saw and liked it so much he wanted to get the toy?
Disney pretty much had a blank canvas to do a story and settled for no tone nonsense.
Ditch the stupid time bullshit and get crystal from alien queen or some cheesy cliché journey. Do the twist aliens are not mindless bugs but tribe hive and the bugs got the crystal crown from robots threat. mention buzz dad got lost in this sector and don’t reveal its future buzz.
The whole time dilation ruined the movie.
Lightyear was banking on being carried by Buzz's marquee value alone
didn't use the damn cast he had in the cartoons.I can believe Andy grew up loving and watching the kid show. The movie not so much.
It’s like Godzilla or Stargate where they made a much better TV show off a shitty movie.
The reason is right there in your poster OP.
Friend of mine said that all this would have been avoided if this were a new IP and NOT Toy Story/Lightyear related.
It'd have done worse tbh. For all its flaws, Lightyear at least had brand recognition to get asses in theater seats. Now imagine it's a new IP and word of mouth is as it currently goes and worse still because there's no in-built affection for the property to rely on.
Ignore the chuds crying out "WoKe!11"
Truth is, not everyone wants to watch what's practically a vanity project
AI generated post
That’s not the sick burn you think it is.
Lightyear would have won if they had the claw aliens instead of the cat robot
It’s funny right, Pixar has ther own “minions” right there but they were like “nuh uh, those are the Pizza Planet Aliens, they have nothing to do with Buzz” despite Buzz getting frequently paired with them in merch and even the Astro Blasters ride at the parks, not to mention that cartoon that they love to ignore.
Man i remember when twatter was celebrated when they announced chris evans was cast as buzz
Complete tonal whiplash, the movie has zero connection to the beloved toy version. His new design sucks too, it was clearly meant to capture the adult audience that watched the Toy Story movies but the character had 0 likeability compared to TS Buzz.
It was just devoid of charm or imagination.
Because it wasn't pic related
Okay, this guy nailed it, we can go home now, thread's over
I'd say I'm pretty normie for someone who posts here.
I think the main issue is no one cares about it, it just looks dull. Anyone with kids is just going to watch it on Disney+, and that seems to be the demographic. Yeah, I liked Toy Story as a kid, I don't give a shit about the backstory of the toys outside of how it directly impacts the actual characters we know (ala Woody in 2).
The movie in just a stupid, half-baked concept.
Fellow "pretty normie for a Cinemaphile poster," and I completely agree. I can't imagine bringing my kid to it if they were old enough (they're not yet), and it seemed too boring for me to watch on my own. My spouse loved Toy Story growing up and didn't seem to care either. It's hard to know who the audience is for.
Kids want to see a dumb movie about yellow gremlins.
Minions is a movie for children whereas Lightyear isn't a movie for anyone.
Too boring for kids, too juvenile for adults, and parents get uppity over anything not "family friendly".
Anyone who says it's specifically because of the lesbians is wrong
It's not a bad movie because it has lesbians in it, it's a bad movie because it's boring as hell
Dude, even if Lightyear had been the best Pixar movie up to date, Minions is still Minions
Somewhere Tim Allen is laughing
Imagine if his reaction at seeing the Lightyear trailer was doing the Home Improvement noise.
Lightyear was an inevitable flop all together. The movie was barely marketable, like from October when the "Starman" trailer was released to in near it's release date, I have barely see anything more than a TV Spot, and then, on top of that, it was Father's Day weekend. This felt like a Valerian-situation. It LOOKED good but beyond that, it failed on everything else. I guess the "cherry-on-top" was the conservative crowd who was turned off by the kiss.
boring movie whose only highlight is a lesbian kiss
The movie looked visually uninteresting, the connection to Toy Story confused lots of people, and early reviews called it mid. Minions is very upfront about the kind of stupid "brain off" bullshit fun it is, so people gravitated towards that.
Seriously, is it such a fricking mystery to you guys?
One can literally look at this poster, and be immediately turned off by unattractiveness. In an animated film, where they can have the best performers look as good as they want. This is simply unacceptable.
Despicable Me as a franchise still has plenty of life left in it and is actually culturally relevant.
Toy Story was already creatively played out and the IP had essentially been dead for over a decade with its cultural relevance reduced to cheap 9/11 jokes.
e-celebs who kvetch about Lightyear being wokeshit are right, but they're only seeing 1/10th of the problem. People don't hate Lightyear because it's woke, they hate Lightyear because it's a fundamentally bad film that no one wanted and didn't ask for. It was an overpriced attempt to revive a franchise that had already been put to rest and fell flat on its ass.
It's a basic sci-fi film with none of the wit, charm or humor that made the Toy Story series and the original Buzz cartoon so good.
>How did Lightyear got mogged by Minions?
Dear Chris Evans,
Two things,
One, Tim Allen did it better
Two, I'm a dinosaur, so I am suppose to just die off. Remember that the next time you expect people to show up to your sh!t show.
>Disney dropped the ball and won't get the Oscar
They get the oscar every year except in rare cases of other animated movies being more progressive (Spiderverse)
It helped that Spiderverse was better than WiR2 and Incredibles 2
>WiR2
Oof that fricking shelf display if that piece of shit won.
I honestly don't even care if Spiderverse won bc "muh politics" Watching Disney lose is funny as shit.
Lightyear doesn't look that fun, lesbians aside. They took what should have been a cool idea, the supposed in-universe movie the toy is based on, and made it look drab and bland. It doesn't help that we were already given an example of it being done well in the animated series. Now that's something I can imagine having a cool and marketable toy. It's funny how much this movie, which is meant to be the original inspiration for the toy, looks like it would really be a modern reboot of the actual in-universe movie that inspired the toy. That would be pretty meta.
gay fatigue
plus its shit
why does he have an butthole on his chin
Also why are captcha's now 6 letters 🙁
Went: Woke
Gone: Broke
Simple as