You don't need a hunting licence to own a gun, you just need a £60 piece of paper, a gun safe, and signatures from two people who know you to say you aren't insane. Assumptions about nogunzuk are propagated entirely by ignorant Americans who know absolutely nothing about anything outside of their own borders unless there's a Family Guy reference about it.
>You don't need a hunting licence to own a gun
What kind of guns? >you just need a £60 piece of paper, a gun safe, and signatures from two people who know you to say you aren't insane
Takes me a 20 minute trip to bass pro shop and a NICS background check that takes about 5-10 minutes to fill out and clear and I'm walking out the store with a firearm
>What kind of guns?
Don't own any myself but IIRC you've got a shotgun licence which is obviously shotguns only, which is "shall issue" so basically they need a good reason not to give you one. Then there's a firearm certificate which covers everything else, but really just rifles, which is "may issue" and you need a valid reason to be allowed one, usually either hunting/stalking, pest control, or target shooting as part of a club who give you the OK.
The only semi-auto stuff allowed is a .22 rifle. Handguns are basically completely banned anywhere but Northern Ireland unless you want a muzzle loader. IFAIK there's a limit on how large magazines can be too. I don't think there's a limit on calibre however, so there's nothing specifically stopping you from using a punt gun or a 50cal sniper rifle, they're treated the same as any other gun.
Suppresors are the opposite of the US, you can get them cheap and easy and are considered the polite thing to use.
Really getting a gun isn't that hard, it's just that nobody is interested in them.
>you've got a shotgun licence which is obviously shotguns only
What kind of shotguns? I'm guessing you can't get a 590m with a 20 round detachable magazine >The only semi-auto stuff allowed is a .22 rifle
gay >Handguns are basically completely banned anywhere but Northern Ireland unless you want a muzzle loader
super gay considering pistols are one of the best tools for self defense and easily concealable >Suppresors are the opposite of the US, you can get them cheap and easy and are considered the polite thing to use.
Not exactly hard to get them in the states but they are expensive as frick for good ones and it takes months to go through the gay as frick ATF NFA bullshit
This dickhead really splitting hairs on Christmas of all days?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ain't no tree in my home stranger. Cuz I don't live in the fricking woods. Like an animal. I also know the difference between a shell and a round isn't splitting fricking hairs. You go ahead and order "rounds" when you expect shells. See how much hair gets split.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Order
like off the internet so I have to pay like 50 bucks just to have the shit shipped to my house?
They also do make "rounds" for shotguns you fricking know it all moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round
>What kind of shotguns
On an SGC, can be any breech/tube loaded smoothbore with max capacity of 2+1. You can get UK models with factory limited mag lengths to only take 2 shells, or buy a mag limiter (which will need to be permanently installed).
If you want unlimited capacity or a magloaded gun, it needs to be declared on an FAC which is many more hoops to jump through.
Practical shotgun in the UK will typically have divisions for maglimited / unlimited guns.
(overall length limit applies to all shotguns regardless of certificate)
A random quirk of the system is that your certificate has iirc 15 "slots" on it, and you have to write in the guns you want into each slot. A suppressor counts as a gun and costs one "slot". It's also cheaper to make an alteration to a slot than to fill an empty slot, so new certificate holders are typically told to fill every slot with suppressors when they first apply, and then when they buy a new gun you need only submit an cheaper alteration to swap out a suppressor (that you never bought) in one slot for the gun you just did
It's a moronic system built upon about a century of moronic systems by people who know nothing about firearms, of course
5 months ago
Anonymous
This shit sounds like a nightmare
Why would they go through so much bullshit over a firearms platform that has a max effective range of maybe 50-100 yards even with rifled slugs in a rifled barrel?
>super gay considering pistols
See what you dont realize because you are a moron who thinks its a good thing tha civilians can readily as easily gain access to military weaponry, that handguns are illegal here because we had a schools shooter in the 90s.
1 shooter, handgun banned. There is no need for civilians to have these weaponry at all.
How msny school shootings do you think we have had since then.....none.
How many school shootings has your country had this year alone!?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>how many school shootings do you think we had since then
Not enough, teaBlack person
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's clearly a prank video.
5 months ago
Anonymous
a paragraph of homosexualry defending being disarmed
I'm pretty sure that you can get semi auto shotguns, the clay pigeon club I used to shoot at had one, although kinda meh because they can only be like 2+1 cartridges max anyway.
Weirdly you cannot have pump action even though semi auto is ok. Although it's been well over a decade now since I've been shooting so maybe all that has changed
IIRC .50 cals are limited to single shot only, or at least i've never seen one for sale that wasn't. Don't think there are limits on mag size if you have a firearms licence but the shotgun licence only let's you have one with 3 shots or less.
Do you have to renew that paper? Do the laws/difficulty of getting the paper apply in cities (AKA where you'd need a gun to defend yourself from insane criminals and immigrants)? Americans don't give a frick about gun ownership for hunting we care about having guns for self defense (mostly on our own property) and being able to shoot trespassers. Can you do that without going to jail in the UK?
You have to renew your certificate every 5 years (the current main objective of gun rights activist groups is getting this upgraded to 10 years lol)
"Self defence" is not considered a valid reason to own any firearm (or any device, item or thing whatsoever in the UK) and any applicant who mentions it will be denied immediately
Sidenote: in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, self defence is a valid reason to own a firearm, handguns and concealed carry is theoretically legal. One part of the UK having completely different laws than another part of the UK is one of several hints that the entire system is nonsense and utterly unlawful and a house of cards that would collapse with the slightest provocation, but I digress.
The laws around self defence on the whole are excellent and leniency is generally given to the defender. The issue is weapons - you may only use "incidental" weapons and the slightest hint of preplanning will frick you in court. If you happen to have a baseball bat by the door because you sometimes go to the park and hit balls with your son, and you just happen to brain a paki kicking your door down with it, that's fine. But if the cop interviewing you asks you why it was there and you dared to suggest it was there specifically so you can hit someone with it, you're fricked. Cops will be sneaky scum like this which is why you should never talk to the police except through a lawyer.
1/2 >when I say "legal" I mean without a "section 5" certificate which is only issued by the Home Office to certain people who the british government likes and not to random members of the public, technically handguns are perfectly legal in the UK (but only IF you have a sec5 which you don't unless you're a dealer) but in practice not legal
You have to renew your certificate every 5 years (the current main objective of gun rights activist groups is getting this upgraded to 10 years lol)
"Self defence" is not considered a valid reason to own any firearm (or any device, item or thing whatsoever in the UK) and any applicant who mentions it will be denied immediately
Sidenote: in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, self defence is a valid reason to own a firearm, handguns and concealed carry is theoretically legal. One part of the UK having completely different laws than another part of the UK is one of several hints that the entire system is nonsense and utterly unlawful and a house of cards that would collapse with the slightest provocation, but I digress.
The laws around self defence on the whole are excellent and leniency is generally given to the defender. The issue is weapons - you may only use "incidental" weapons and the slightest hint of preplanning will frick you in court. If you happen to have a baseball bat by the door because you sometimes go to the park and hit balls with your son, and you just happen to brain a paki kicking your door down with it, that's fine. But if the cop interviewing you asks you why it was there and you dared to suggest it was there specifically so you can hit someone with it, you're fricked. Cops will be sneaky scum like this which is why you should never talk to the police except through a lawyer.
1/2 >when I say "legal" I mean without a "section 5" certificate which is only issued by the Home Office to certain people who the british government likes and not to random members of the public, technically handguns are perfectly legal in the UK (but only IF you have a sec5 which you don't unless you're a dealer) but in practice not legal
2/2
Shooting someone in self defence is legally no different to hitting them with a stick, because the test is if you "had reasonable cause to believe the level of force you used was necessary to defend yourself", and the type of force or item used to deliver it is basically irrelevant (so long as it was incidental)
The way they people from shooting burglars is by mandating that guns must be locked up in safes at all time, and ammunition locked up separately.
So you have to claim that simultaneously >I was woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of glass breaking and had no time to call the police
yet >I had enough time to unlock my safe and grab my shotgun, then unlock my inner safe and grab my ammunition, then load my shotgun then shoot the guy
Or you claim that you were already up and just happened to be cleaning your shotgun at 3am and your main safe was already open (hope you don't have multiple guns or you're fricked) so it was dead quick to grab the ammo from the mini safe. Which the police forensics scum will go to great lengths to disprove >sidenote: the police ballistics intelligence lab in england is known to frick around with the climate control in their underground range when they need to prove that, say, an air rifle had sufficient muzzle energy to be too powerful to be legal >sidenote: britain is one of the largest arms manufacturing nations in the world, and exports an incredible amount of ammunition for foreigners to shoot, but not its own people of course >sidenote: an elderly lawyer once faced charges because his wife happened to know where he kept the keys to his safe, and this was considered by the police to constitute him allowing non-certificate holders access to his guns
Basically, shit's fricked
what's the punishment for not locking up the gun? Could you just say "yeah so my gun wasn't locked up" and get a misdemeanor with a fine? Or is that a serious crime?
In Germany, you either need a hunting liscense, be a member of a registered shooting sport club, have a spotless police record.
Getting a hunting liscence is harder, more expensive and requires more effort - but it allows you to own rifles AND handguns.
A membership in a shooting club only allows you to own handguns / sidearms.
OR you could get a job that have guns in the job description - like the police, border agents, some security firms.
Under nazi germany gun control from the weimar era was done away with. Self defense was encouraged for the common man. A law was passed in 1938 where ordinary citizens could obtain firearms and licenses with very little trouble. Age limits for gun ownership lowered and limits on permits extended. Party members were expected to buy guns, and party officials were given a pistol
Yet while in weimar germany gangs would literally have shootouts on the streets everyday, in nazi germany crime fell to an all time low. Courts had very little to do, all day.
>Scotland
Muslim leader of the Scottish National Party & First Minister (leader of SNP, unelected)
Muslim leader of the Scottish Labour Party
White male leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party
He had a loicense
If this guy was incel, we’re in trouble
That's just a very flattering photo. The dude was a fat ogre.
Fat yank Cinemaphile poster and incel
Nah, the farmer who shot that pikey got sent down for shooting him and then fricking off for the night leaving the thief to bleed out on his lawn.
It was Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school and then Blair emotionally manipulated the tories into rushing through anti-gun laws.
>Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school
Quick primer on Dunblane >scout master for a small scottish town >long rumoured to be a boyloving pedophile >possesses a firearms certificate and several pistols >local community hates him >community complains enough that police send a senior detective to keep an eye on him >detective observes pedo take boys on a swimming & camping trip to a lake >detective sees pedo wrestle with boys in swimsuits and take boys into his tent at night >detective discovers he is taking explicit photographs of boys >detective submits a report declaring his findings, that he should be charged, access to children removed, and that his firearm certificate revoked and his pistols confiscated >pedo is removed from scouts and has his firearms taken >local politician suddenly appears and demands senior police chief to reinstate scout master's firearm certificate and return his pistols immediately >chief orders his men to return certificate & firearms >police detective baffled and registers complaint, ignored >shortly afterward pedo goes to local school and shoots boys & teachers at random, then himself >this occurs shortly before UK general election >guns become political issue >tories in power ban all handguns but .22s >not enough and labour wins general election, bans .22s as well >judge orders all casefiles sealed for 100 years
Absolute glow op
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I meant Dunblane. I also don't know how much emotional manipulation you need when little kids are being killed. That's more than enough reason to get rid of guns.
Collective punishment is unlawful and a violation of your human rights >one guy does one thing with his item >therefore everybody who also owns similar items must have them confiscated by force without compensation >and nobody may ever be permitted to purchase these items in future
Outrageous
UK is a parliamentary democracy. You vote for a party, not a person. The party decides who to put in what positions, and they can recall and replace people in those positions at any time.
The country lost its balls when we convicted that farmer bloke for blasting a pikey thief
Vernon should have gatted hagrid in the back as well for breaking in and causing a magical ruckus
Nah, the farmer who shot that pikey got sent down for shooting him and then fricking off for the night leaving the thief to bleed out on his lawn.
It was Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school and then Blair emotionally manipulated the tories into rushing through anti-gun laws.
Guns were first restricted in the UK around WW1 to stop people from open-carrying pistols in urban areas. The banning of automatic weaponry, concealed carry, and unlicensed firearm purchases happened in 1967 after some psycho woman murdered her boyfriend in broad daylight in London with a pistol. Dunblane was the last in a long line of bans.
Nah, the farmer who shot that pikey got sent down for shooting him and then fricking off for the night leaving the thief to bleed out on his lawn.
It was Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school and then Blair emotionally manipulated the tories into rushing through anti-gun laws.
I meant Dunblane. I also don't know how much emotional manipulation you need when little kids are being killed. That's more than enough reason to get rid of guns.
Disarming a populace is the single best way to ensure that you can do whatever you want with them, the Soviets quickly disarmed the Russian populace after they took over for instance. If your government wants to line you all up and execute you they could, all because you were manipulated into giving up your rights to self-defense.
Why didn't US citizens rise up after they discovered they'd been poisoned with lead for decades then? Why did the perpetrators face no consequences from the armed populace?
Because sane people don't just go around shooting people even if they've wronged you, you only shoot people if your life is directly threatened. In your country someone can threaten your life and you can do nothing to stop them.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but how is getting poisoned with lead not a threat to your life?
5 months ago
Anonymous
After it has been discovered it is no longer an immediate threat because whatever is causing the lead poisoning will be recalled and the matter can then be settled in courts. People get massive pay-outs all the time when companies frick up and accidentally cause health damage, there are lawyers that specifically work in these fields because those cases are very profitable.
5 months ago
Anonymous
How come Americans get so absolutely fricked by medical insurance companies and don't do anything about it then? Those vultures steal so much money from you and can actively deny you treatment if they feel like it. They need shooting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Let me tell you about your country
Hospitals are by law required to treat you if it is an emergency. Even if they know you won't pay. Old people have a habit of calling 911 for innocuous shit and racking up huge medical bills that they never pay on, but they have to keep treating them because it's a federal crime to not do so. It's also why the bills are higher for everyone else; we're paying for the people who don't.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No man, guns will allow you to do peaceful civil disobedience. Just march into Big Leads offices and occupy the lobby with rifles on your back.
homie, you do nothing. Even when you thought the election was stolen and your daddy urged you to "take it back" you did nothing. Guns are just an enlarger for your mutilated tiny dicks, it's incredibly sad when you try to present them as some kind of freedom tool.
Having guns didn't stop the government taking all rights away and making America lockdown like the filthy Chinese commies. Didn't stop by burn loot murderers burning down cities either.
lmao your only response is "well why haven't you shot anyone yet??"
homie do you want us to form an ARMED REBELLION every time the government does something we don't like
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Half of US adults exposed to toxic levels of lead >Kids still getting poisoned to this day >Something you don't like
5 months ago
Anonymous
The lead came from gasoline, at the time it was thought to be harmless but when people discovered that it could cause harm laws were put in place to reduce the lead content. I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with this issue, it was fixed in courts like it should have been and nobody needed to get shot.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's not fixed if 80,000+ kids still get poisoned each year. It wasn't just gasoline either, it was in paint, in pipes and all kinds of other building materials. The problem is lots of states don't actually check for lead anymore, they just wait until kids get ill or come out moronic too often, and use them like canaries in a coal mine.
I'm not aware of the government currently knowingly poisoning anyone with lead. But regardless, it's really bizarre that you're implying that armed insurrection is the appropriate response to a health and safety issue
I'm invested because shit like that pisses me off. Governments and big business get away with too much.
5 months ago
Anonymous
This is still a health issue that's best left to courts and elected officials to fix, do you think that if people start shooting because of this that the lead content in the pipes will go down?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ok. Still not sure why you think this particular matter warrants armed insurrection
like aren't you guys normally making fun of our gun culture, now here you are asking why we aren't more trigger happy lmao
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because if your guns are only used for killing kids, why do you still have them? What is the kid to injustice ratio that you're willing to tolerate?
5 months ago
Anonymous
You know that guns are also sometimes used to kill home invaders right?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Guns are the leading cause of death for children in the US. If you can't quantify "sometimes", then it doesn't seem worth it to me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
That is such a bullshit statistic. It includes everyone under the age of 18 so that means any hoodrat in Chicago that gets popped is a "child" killed by guns. No one actually cares about those deaths (which is fricked up but whatever).
5 months ago
Anonymous
>car accidents outstrip gun deaths by a WIDE margin >still claim guns are the leading cause of death because 4 in every 100,000 minors die from them instead of 3.89 from a malignant neoplasm.
Okay. If I was in the Tour de France, and came in second, a solid ten minutes behind the leader, with third place a nose length behind me, would you say that I won the Tour de France?
5 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair he probably wants to ban private car ownership, too
5 months ago
Anonymous
>What is the kid to injustice ratio that you're willing to tolerate?
The reason people say 'all of them' as a joke is because we know if there was some magical tolerance of dead children to make us give up our guns for self defense, corrupt people within the government would gladly murder that amount of children to ensure a disarmed populace. It's literally happened in australia, they kneejerked over 1 mass shooting.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not aware of the government currently knowingly poisoning anyone with lead. But regardless, it's really bizarre that you're implying that armed insurrection is the appropriate response to a health and safety issue
5 months ago
Anonymous
What about the cigarette companies actively lying about health benefits while giving you cancer, in full knowledge of the government? Or the oil companies that found out about climate change before anyone else and covered it up? The Vietnam War? Lockdowns? Where is the concerned populace? Armed citizens are just as easily cowed as unarmed ones, the only difference is that it's easier for them to pretend otherwise.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because if your guns are only used for killing kids, why do you still have them? What is the kid to injustice ratio that you're willing to tolerate?
good lord this is the definition of copium >haha you brits don't have guns and we do, u mad >WELL what about when this bad thing happened, why didn't you start shooting the government then?? checkmate!!
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Guns good because no government oppression >Government oppresses you anyway >How dare you point this out???
5 months ago
Anonymous
This. Look at Waco. If you do anything the government doesn't like you could kill a few grunts before it's over. A well armed militia means nothing to a federal agency let alone the army or air force. And if you legitimately defend yourself on the street using a gun it's probably going to be from the criminal 13% so you'll end up in jail for life for muh raycism anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, remember how the US military completely dominated the Viet Cong with its vastly superior equipment and manpower? Also the Taliban
5 months ago
Anonymous
Good point.
Collectively refusing to pay taxes would be much more effective in leveling the playing field than stockpiling rifles for a revolution that can’t physically target anything. Imagine Waco if they showed up with revolvers and town cars instead of a small army. The rights and lives of the people inside that compound would have still been intact today.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, there is a reason they go after tax issues the hardest. Ever since Regan everything's run on debt anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure you understand the severity and consequences of open armed rebellion
5 months ago
Anonymous
So you understand that its moronic then?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Do you understand that armed rebellion is the nuclear option? Do you not see how ridiculous it is that you think we should use it basically every time the government does anything bad?
5 months ago
Anonymous
So an armed population is meaningless because the government will do what it wants anyway? That's really all you had to say.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The government doesn't do what it wants. We have an imperfect but fairly effective system for keeping it in check. Guns are the last resort. Stop being silly
5 months ago
Anonymous
People used to do that shit, like the Coal Wars.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>le evil cigarette companies
Most tobacco companies are British, and people voluntarily chose to smoke anyway.
Climate change is not real.
Vietnam War was based and the only people who opposed it were peacenik communists.
Lockdowns didn't exist in conservative areas.
Try again
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's a good point when you brag about your guns while being raped.
When do Americans ever do anything? For an entire Summer blacks burned and destroyed their cities and they did nothing. They started it up in the UK and men were out on the streets with cricket bats boshing nogs and protecting their statues from being torn down. Even Canadians staged a massive Frick You with the vax passport shit. Americans do nothing, ever, they just sit at home stroking their guns (only semi-auto, of course, with shortened magazines, removed bump stocks, and the proper tax forms filled out and moneys paid to be allowed to have a specific foregrip on specific rifles - but THEY'LL NEVER TAKE 'EM, AMIRITE?) and mumbling abut how they're going to do something. The US is the consummate boiling frog.
homie, you do nothing. Even when you thought the election was stolen and your daddy urged you to "take it back" you did nothing. Guns are just an enlarger for your mutilated tiny dicks, it's incredibly sad when you try to present them as some kind of freedom tool.
Not my problem to fight for Trump, he was a moron who put the wrong people under him and it turned around and bit him. Life is definitely worse with Biden in charge, but it's not bad to the point where I would need to shoot someone. If it gets to that point though, at least I have a means of defending myself, you do not.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you do not.
I have a gun. It isn't illegal to own one. That's been the point of the thread.
Are all americans illiterate or are you a special case?
Having guns didn't stop the government taking all rights away and making America lockdown like the filthy Chinese commies. Didn't stop by burn loot murderers burning down cities either.
Did you visit any red states during the lockdown? Guess what, aside from some public services being closed things were mostly normal, you didn't need to wear masks when going shopping like you did in blue states. Even in blue states the lockdowns were much less intense compared to Euro countries. The more guns that are present, the less the government is willing to frick with its people.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sauce: your pozzed butthole
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Even in blue states the lockdowns were much less intense compared to Euro countries
We didn't even have any lockdown in Sweden and I've never wore a face mask in my life.
Its dumb anyway, if you really wanted guns you can get them ask the irish or the french, a fat lard with a loaded glock stuffed in his belt isn't going to be a threat to tyranny.
Lol it did. States like Wyoming and Florida had no lockdowns whatsoever, and in my town specifically there was an attempted BLM protest that got shut down day one by half the county sheriff's department along with a dozen private citizens marching on them with rifles.
BLM riots were in about 6 cities, all of them deeply left-wing shitholes like SF and Chicago.
If they had a legal right to get their own food (hunt) it would be different. But yeah, banning self defense is a surefire way to ban firearms generally.
Would you be saying that if a family member or loved one was killed at say a Xmas market buy an ISIS gunman because the local beat bobbys drafted in to police the event stood by doing nothing (as they are trained to do) waiting the 15 - 20 minute armed response time?
Whats the name of the bong who did a rambo in the 80s? Shot people and hid in their houses. He hid in the woods and a survivalist army advisor had to hunt him down.
>it's good we have guns in case the government tries to frick us in the ass >*government fricks them in the ass constantly* >well, THAT doesn't count
Americans are so dumb, Jesus Christ. You like guns because they make boom boom and because you're brainwashed into thinking you'll be able to face the army or something (LMAO).
can you come up with another method of coping that you don't have the same level of freedom we do? this same "why haven't you started another civil war yet" argument you keep making is tiresome
Your the one who said that having guns means the government doesn't tread on you. We are pointing out that it treads on you anyway. Stop trying to move the goalposts.
And they haven't, not in any meaningful way. Our basic rights have not been infringed. We save armed rebellion for ACTUAL oppression, not some brief annoying covid lockdowns
But I'm Euro and can get a gun and it's similar in probably all European countries. Americans are just ignorant fats and know nothing. I bet they don't know we don't get our dicks mutilated when we're born and we get 4-5 weeks paid leave guaranteed by law. Truly a nightmare existence.
Americans understand that the civil war was fought between two standing armies right?
They don't think that they can just rise up one day and topple the US if only they tried hard enough right?
I don't think they really do. They think they'll get Billy Ray and cousin Beau and they'll form a freedumb platoon fighting against the tyranical librul army.
>be britoid >someone breaks into your home >not only can you not defend yourself but you are legally required to inform him where your valuables are
kinda cringe innit
Shotguns can be legally purchased in Great Britain by any holder of a valid Shotgun Certificate (SGC). This was created by the Gun Control Act of 1968, to differentiate sporting & farming shotguns from the pre-existing Firearm Certificate (FAC). The SGC is "shall-issue" i.e. will be issued by default unless there is discovered some particular reason to indicate that it should not be issued (in contrast to the FAC, which is "may-issue" i.e. will only be issued if sufficient good reason for it is provided)
In the book Mr Dursley is noted as having gone to a Post Office and returned with a long brown parcel (which is later revealed to contain a shotgun).
This implies that he ordered it by mail, but also serves as a neat nod to the historical fact that the original FAC was a perfunctory certificate which carried no legal standing and was not required to own or purchase a firearm at all. It was merely a promissory note; that he would voluntarily purchase the certificate indicated he was of good character and a firearm dealer need have no qualms about selling arms to him. The FAC could be purchased by filling out & submitting a form at your local Post Office. It was much later that the FAC came to become a defacto "license" issued by the Police.
Mr Dursley's shotgun is a contrivance. The necessary time delay for an SGC application to be processed upon Police services makes it simpler to imagine that Mr Dursley was already in possession of an SGC prior to the beginning of the story, though this doesn't much fit with his comfortable middleclass suburbanite character. Perhaps Mr Dursley was an occasional grouse shooter? Truly Mr Dursley was a man of many hidden depths
>Scotland
Muslim leader of the Scottish National Party & First Minister (leader of SNP, unelected)
Muslim leader of the Scottish Labour Party
White male leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party
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Fat yank Cinemaphile poster and incel
[...] >Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school
Quick primer on Dunblane >scout master for a small scottish town >long rumoured to be a boyloving pedophile >possesses a firearms certificate and several pistols >local community hates him >community complains enough that police send a senior detective to keep an eye on him >detective observes pedo take boys on a swimming & camping trip to a lake >detective sees pedo wrestle with boys in swimsuits and take boys into his tent at night >detective discovers he is taking explicit photographs of boys >detective submits a report declaring his findings, that he should be charged, access to children removed, and that his firearm certificate revoked and his pistols confiscated >pedo is removed from scouts and has his firearms taken >local politician suddenly appears and demands senior police chief to reinstate scout master's firearm certificate and return his pistols immediately >chief orders his men to return certificate & firearms >police detective baffled and registers complaint, ignored >shortly afterward pedo goes to local school and shoots boys & teachers at random, then himself >this occurs shortly before UK general election >guns become political issue >tories in power ban all handguns but .22s >not enough and labour wins general election, bans .22s as well >judge orders all casefiles sealed for 100 years
Absolute glow op
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Collective punishment is unlawful and a violation of your human rights >one guy does one thing with his item >therefore everybody who also owns similar items must have them confiscated by force without compensation >and nobody may ever be permitted to purchase these items in future
Outrageous
I watch the geowizard videos and according to him, the most dangerous place you can find yourself in is trespassing on a welsh person's farm. They shoot on sight.
>guns are banned in the UK
Only Americans say this, because you can't just walk into Wal-Mart to buy an AR. There's not a single European country that banned guns.
Despite what /misc/ tries to claim, most European countries have perfectly reasonable gun laws and getting access to firearms is quite easy if you aren't a Black person with a criminal record and don't have the Tiktok fried attention span of a zoomer.
SWISS have relaxed gun laws and you don't hear abaut shootings there. ANd the recent shooting has been proven to be made from Illegally purchased gun (Then again That guy was propably CIA psyop)
On Sunday, 26 August 1990, six years after the fire and four years after the stabbing of Antonio Cabanillas by Jerónimo Izquierdo, his two brothers, Emilio and Antonio Izquierdo, aged 56 and 52 respectively, said goodbye to their sisters, Ángela and Luciana Izquierdo in their house in Monterrubio de la Serena, assuring that "We are going to hunt turtledoves". Dressed as hunters and armed with 12 gauge shotguns, they hid at nightfall in an alley in town and then came out and shoot cartridges against numerous members of the Cabanillas family who were there, they were specifically looking for Antonio Cabanillas Rivera. Subsequently, the shooting would result against anyone who accidentally came across them in the street. The incident resulted in 9 people dead, two little girls who were sisters of the Cabanillas family among them, Encarnación and Antonia Cabanillas (daughters of Antonio), aged 13 and 14 respectively, who were playing in the square and were brutally shot at short distance by the Izquierdo brothers. There were over 12 wounded people with different degrees of severity. Some ended up paraplegic and in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives. The third sister of Encarnación and Antonia, María del Carmen Cabanillas, avoided the massacre since she was at the time at her cousin's home. A six-year-old-child, Guillermo Ojeda Sánchez, was hit in the head, and left in a coma.
The UK is lenient on double barrel shotguns and muzzle loaders, almost as easy to get as it is in the US. And it could be a family heirloom from before the gun lockdowns.
Probably a "hunting gun". You can easily bypass the no-gun law in most European countries by just getting a hunting license.
>Hunting
>UK
Oi I shot me some FOOKIN' pigeons I did we is eatin' good tonight we is Nigel.
We are fricking overrun with deer, it's not hard to get a hunting license.
It was just a joke, bb. Ironically in my hometown in Texas deer are a menace around the lake and you can't shoot them ever.
Problem is mate, we already hunted absolutely everything hundreds of years ago
That's not true, there are plenty of game birds and endless deer.
You don't need a hunting licence to own a gun, you just need a £60 piece of paper, a gun safe, and signatures from two people who know you to say you aren't insane. Assumptions about nogunzuk are propagated entirely by ignorant Americans who know absolutely nothing about anything outside of their own borders unless there's a Family Guy reference about it.
cope
>You don't need a hunting licence to own a gun
What kind of guns?
>you just need a £60 piece of paper, a gun safe, and signatures from two people who know you to say you aren't insane
Takes me a 20 minute trip to bass pro shop and a NICS background check that takes about 5-10 minutes to fill out and clear and I'm walking out the store with a firearm
>What kind of guns?
Don't own any myself but IIRC you've got a shotgun licence which is obviously shotguns only, which is "shall issue" so basically they need a good reason not to give you one. Then there's a firearm certificate which covers everything else, but really just rifles, which is "may issue" and you need a valid reason to be allowed one, usually either hunting/stalking, pest control, or target shooting as part of a club who give you the OK.
The only semi-auto stuff allowed is a .22 rifle. Handguns are basically completely banned anywhere but Northern Ireland unless you want a muzzle loader. IFAIK there's a limit on how large magazines can be too. I don't think there's a limit on calibre however, so there's nothing specifically stopping you from using a punt gun or a 50cal sniper rifle, they're treated the same as any other gun.
Suppresors are the opposite of the US, you can get them cheap and easy and are considered the polite thing to use.
Really getting a gun isn't that hard, it's just that nobody is interested in them.
>you've got a shotgun licence which is obviously shotguns only
What kind of shotguns? I'm guessing you can't get a 590m with a 20 round detachable magazine
>The only semi-auto stuff allowed is a .22 rifle
gay
>Handguns are basically completely banned anywhere but Northern Ireland unless you want a muzzle loader
super gay considering pistols are one of the best tools for self defense and easily concealable
>Suppresors are the opposite of the US, you can get them cheap and easy and are considered the polite thing to use.
Not exactly hard to get them in the states but they are expensive as frick for good ones and it takes months to go through the gay as frick ATF NFA bullshit
>round
This dickhead really splitting hairs on Christmas of all days?
Ain't no tree in my home stranger. Cuz I don't live in the fricking woods. Like an animal. I also know the difference between a shell and a round isn't splitting fricking hairs. You go ahead and order "rounds" when you expect shells. See how much hair gets split.
>Order
like off the internet so I have to pay like 50 bucks just to have the shit shipped to my house?
They also do make "rounds" for shotguns you fricking know it all moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round
>What kind of shotguns
On an SGC, can be any breech/tube loaded smoothbore with max capacity of 2+1. You can get UK models with factory limited mag lengths to only take 2 shells, or buy a mag limiter (which will need to be permanently installed).
If you want unlimited capacity or a magloaded gun, it needs to be declared on an FAC which is many more hoops to jump through.
Practical shotgun in the UK will typically have divisions for maglimited / unlimited guns.
(overall length limit applies to all shotguns regardless of certificate)
A random quirk of the system is that your certificate has iirc 15 "slots" on it, and you have to write in the guns you want into each slot. A suppressor counts as a gun and costs one "slot". It's also cheaper to make an alteration to a slot than to fill an empty slot, so new certificate holders are typically told to fill every slot with suppressors when they first apply, and then when they buy a new gun you need only submit an cheaper alteration to swap out a suppressor (that you never bought) in one slot for the gun you just did
It's a moronic system built upon about a century of moronic systems by people who know nothing about firearms, of course
This shit sounds like a nightmare
Why would they go through so much bullshit over a firearms platform that has a max effective range of maybe 50-100 yards even with rifled slugs in a rifled barrel?
>super gay considering pistols
See what you dont realize because you are a moron who thinks its a good thing tha civilians can readily as easily gain access to military weaponry, that handguns are illegal here because we had a schools shooter in the 90s.
1 shooter, handgun banned. There is no need for civilians to have these weaponry at all.
How msny school shootings do you think we have had since then.....none.
How many school shootings has your country had this year alone!?
>how many school shootings do you think we had since then
Not enough, teaBlack person
That's clearly a prank video.
a paragraph of homosexualry defending being disarmed
I'm pretty sure that you can get semi auto shotguns, the clay pigeon club I used to shoot at had one, although kinda meh because they can only be like 2+1 cartridges max anyway.
Weirdly you cannot have pump action even though semi auto is ok. Although it's been well over a decade now since I've been shooting so maybe all that has changed
IIRC .50 cals are limited to single shot only, or at least i've never seen one for sale that wasn't. Don't think there are limits on mag size if you have a firearms licence but the shotgun licence only let's you have one with 3 shots or less.
>you just need a £60 piece of paper,
AKA your loicense
Do you have to renew that paper? Do the laws/difficulty of getting the paper apply in cities (AKA where you'd need a gun to defend yourself from insane criminals and immigrants)? Americans don't give a frick about gun ownership for hunting we care about having guns for self defense (mostly on our own property) and being able to shoot trespassers. Can you do that without going to jail in the UK?
You have to renew your certificate every 5 years (the current main objective of gun rights activist groups is getting this upgraded to 10 years lol)
"Self defence" is not considered a valid reason to own any firearm (or any device, item or thing whatsoever in the UK) and any applicant who mentions it will be denied immediately
Sidenote: in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, self defence is a valid reason to own a firearm, handguns and concealed carry is theoretically legal. One part of the UK having completely different laws than another part of the UK is one of several hints that the entire system is nonsense and utterly unlawful and a house of cards that would collapse with the slightest provocation, but I digress.
The laws around self defence on the whole are excellent and leniency is generally given to the defender. The issue is weapons - you may only use "incidental" weapons and the slightest hint of preplanning will frick you in court. If you happen to have a baseball bat by the door because you sometimes go to the park and hit balls with your son, and you just happen to brain a paki kicking your door down with it, that's fine. But if the cop interviewing you asks you why it was there and you dared to suggest it was there specifically so you can hit someone with it, you're fricked. Cops will be sneaky scum like this which is why you should never talk to the police except through a lawyer.
1/2
>when I say "legal" I mean without a "section 5" certificate which is only issued by the Home Office to certain people who the british government likes and not to random members of the public, technically handguns are perfectly legal in the UK (but only IF you have a sec5 which you don't unless you're a dealer) but in practice not legal
2/2
Shooting someone in self defence is legally no different to hitting them with a stick, because the test is if you "had reasonable cause to believe the level of force you used was necessary to defend yourself", and the type of force or item used to deliver it is basically irrelevant (so long as it was incidental)
The way they people from shooting burglars is by mandating that guns must be locked up in safes at all time, and ammunition locked up separately.
So you have to claim that simultaneously
>I was woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of glass breaking and had no time to call the police
yet
>I had enough time to unlock my safe and grab my shotgun, then unlock my inner safe and grab my ammunition, then load my shotgun then shoot the guy
Or you claim that you were already up and just happened to be cleaning your shotgun at 3am and your main safe was already open (hope you don't have multiple guns or you're fricked) so it was dead quick to grab the ammo from the mini safe. Which the police forensics scum will go to great lengths to disprove
>sidenote: the police ballistics intelligence lab in england is known to frick around with the climate control in their underground range when they need to prove that, say, an air rifle had sufficient muzzle energy to be too powerful to be legal
>sidenote: britain is one of the largest arms manufacturing nations in the world, and exports an incredible amount of ammunition for foreigners to shoot, but not its own people of course
>sidenote: an elderly lawyer once faced charges because his wife happened to know where he kept the keys to his safe, and this was considered by the police to constitute him allowing non-certificate holders access to his guns
Basically, shit's fricked
what's the punishment for not locking up the gun? Could you just say "yeah so my gun wasn't locked up" and get a misdemeanor with a fine? Or is that a serious crime?
In Germany, you either need a hunting liscense, be a member of a registered shooting sport club, have a spotless police record.
Getting a hunting liscence is harder, more expensive and requires more effort - but it allows you to own rifles AND handguns.
A membership in a shooting club only allows you to own handguns / sidearms.
OR you could get a job that have guns in the job description - like the police, border agents, some security firms.
Under nazi germany gun control from the weimar era was done away with. Self defense was encouraged for the common man. A law was passed in 1938 where ordinary citizens could obtain firearms and licenses with very little trouble. Age limits for gun ownership lowered and limits on permits extended. Party members were expected to buy guns, and party officials were given a pistol
Yet while in weimar germany gangs would literally have shootouts on the streets everyday, in nazi germany crime fell to an all time low. Courts had very little to do, all day.
>he said, nogunzingly
Yeah but using them in self defense is completely forbidden, Mr. Dursley would go to prison for a long time if he actually shot an intruder with it.
I go to Scotland. Far away from Sadiq Kahn jurisdiction.
ENOUGH OF THE KILT
>Nobody tell him
Did they really? I know Ireland's a lost cause. How's Wales doing?
currently a white man but this is the guy thats likely to take over
unironically whiter than tom jones
Why don't they put a corgi in charge? Lots of American towns have dogs as mayors. How hard can it be?
>Scotland
Muslim leader of the Scottish National Party & First Minister (leader of SNP, unelected)
Muslim leader of the Scottish Labour Party
White male leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party
Fat yank Cinemaphile poster and incel
>Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school
Quick primer on Dunblane
>scout master for a small scottish town
>long rumoured to be a boyloving pedophile
>possesses a firearms certificate and several pistols
>local community hates him
>community complains enough that police send a senior detective to keep an eye on him
>detective observes pedo take boys on a swimming & camping trip to a lake
>detective sees pedo wrestle with boys in swimsuits and take boys into his tent at night
>detective discovers he is taking explicit photographs of boys
>detective submits a report declaring his findings, that he should be charged, access to children removed, and that his firearm certificate revoked and his pistols confiscated
>pedo is removed from scouts and has his firearms taken
>local politician suddenly appears and demands senior police chief to reinstate scout master's firearm certificate and return his pistols immediately
>chief orders his men to return certificate & firearms
>police detective baffled and registers complaint, ignored
>shortly afterward pedo goes to local school and shoots boys & teachers at random, then himself
>this occurs shortly before UK general election
>guns become political issue
>tories in power ban all handguns but .22s
>not enough and labour wins general election, bans .22s as well
>judge orders all casefiles sealed for 100 years
Absolute glow op
Collective punishment is unlawful and a violation of your human rights
>one guy does one thing with his item
>therefore everybody who also owns similar items must have them confiscated by force without compensation
>and nobody may ever be permitted to purchase these items in future
Outrageous
*INCREASE ALL YOUR INCOME TAXES*
Nothing Personally Whiteoids
Does anyone actually vote for these shitskins or are they just installed?
Khan was voted the others got in after the previous ones resigned.
Take a guess
UK is a parliamentary democracy. You vote for a party, not a person. The party decides who to put in what positions, and they can recall and replace people in those positions at any time.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha its over
I look forwards to seeing their heads adorn a skull pyramid
You can't go to pre Dunblane Scotland
You can with a time turner.
It's pretty easy to get a shotgun licence if you live out in the countryside, as long as you're not a criminal or anything.
He had a loicense
If this guy was incel, we’re in trouble
That's just a very flattering photo. The dude was a fat ogre.
There’s a large crossover between incels and bodybuilders.
Imagine being a britoid and having to get a license just to watch kino. And then having to pay mandatory television taxes
You pay yours through your taxes moron. At least we have a chance of avoiding ours.
The first book took place in 91 so there may have been a handful of real men left in the countryside where this scene takes place
The country lost its balls when we convicted that farmer bloke for blasting a pikey thief
Vernon should have gatted hagrid in the back as well for breaking in and causing a magical ruckus
Nah, the farmer who shot that pikey got sent down for shooting him and then fricking off for the night leaving the thief to bleed out on his lawn.
It was Dunblane, where a glowie shot up a primary school and then Blair emotionally manipulated the tories into rushing through anti-gun laws.
Guns were first restricted in the UK around WW1 to stop people from open-carrying pistols in urban areas. The banning of automatic weaponry, concealed carry, and unlicensed firearm purchases happened in 1967 after some psycho woman murdered her boyfriend in broad daylight in London with a pistol. Dunblane was the last in a long line of bans.
When did Lockerbie happen?
I meant Dunblane. I also don't know how much emotional manipulation you need when little kids are being killed. That's more than enough reason to get rid of guns.
>That's more than enough reason to get rid of guns
And that's why your country is a joke
If stopping kids from being shot is a joke, then I'm laughing with a clear conscience.
>laws stop criminals from shooting people
Disarming a populace is the single best way to ensure that you can do whatever you want with them, the Soviets quickly disarmed the Russian populace after they took over for instance. If your government wants to line you all up and execute you they could, all because you were manipulated into giving up your rights to self-defense.
Why didn't US citizens rise up after they discovered they'd been poisoned with lead for decades then? Why did the perpetrators face no consequences from the armed populace?
Because sane people don't just go around shooting people even if they've wronged you, you only shoot people if your life is directly threatened. In your country someone can threaten your life and you can do nothing to stop them.
Not him but how is getting poisoned with lead not a threat to your life?
After it has been discovered it is no longer an immediate threat because whatever is causing the lead poisoning will be recalled and the matter can then be settled in courts. People get massive pay-outs all the time when companies frick up and accidentally cause health damage, there are lawyers that specifically work in these fields because those cases are very profitable.
How come Americans get so absolutely fricked by medical insurance companies and don't do anything about it then? Those vultures steal so much money from you and can actively deny you treatment if they feel like it. They need shooting.
>Let me tell you about your country
Hospitals are by law required to treat you if it is an emergency. Even if they know you won't pay. Old people have a habit of calling 911 for innocuous shit and racking up huge medical bills that they never pay on, but they have to keep treating them because it's a federal crime to not do so. It's also why the bills are higher for everyone else; we're paying for the people who don't.
No man, guns will allow you to do peaceful civil disobedience. Just march into Big Leads offices and occupy the lobby with rifles on your back.
lmao your only response is "well why haven't you shot anyone yet??"
homie do you want us to form an ARMED REBELLION every time the government does something we don't like
>Half of US adults exposed to toxic levels of lead
>Kids still getting poisoned to this day
>Something you don't like
The lead came from gasoline, at the time it was thought to be harmless but when people discovered that it could cause harm laws were put in place to reduce the lead content. I'm not sure why you're so obsessed with this issue, it was fixed in courts like it should have been and nobody needed to get shot.
It's not fixed if 80,000+ kids still get poisoned each year. It wasn't just gasoline either, it was in paint, in pipes and all kinds of other building materials. The problem is lots of states don't actually check for lead anymore, they just wait until kids get ill or come out moronic too often, and use them like canaries in a coal mine.
I'm invested because shit like that pisses me off. Governments and big business get away with too much.
This is still a health issue that's best left to courts and elected officials to fix, do you think that if people start shooting because of this that the lead content in the pipes will go down?
Ok. Still not sure why you think this particular matter warrants armed insurrection
like aren't you guys normally making fun of our gun culture, now here you are asking why we aren't more trigger happy lmao
Because if your guns are only used for killing kids, why do you still have them? What is the kid to injustice ratio that you're willing to tolerate?
You know that guns are also sometimes used to kill home invaders right?
Guns are the leading cause of death for children in the US. If you can't quantify "sometimes", then it doesn't seem worth it to me.
That is such a bullshit statistic. It includes everyone under the age of 18 so that means any hoodrat in Chicago that gets popped is a "child" killed by guns. No one actually cares about those deaths (which is fricked up but whatever).
>car accidents outstrip gun deaths by a WIDE margin
>still claim guns are the leading cause of death because 4 in every 100,000 minors die from them instead of 3.89 from a malignant neoplasm.
Okay. If I was in the Tour de France, and came in second, a solid ten minutes behind the leader, with third place a nose length behind me, would you say that I won the Tour de France?
To be fair he probably wants to ban private car ownership, too
>What is the kid to injustice ratio that you're willing to tolerate?
The reason people say 'all of them' as a joke is because we know if there was some magical tolerance of dead children to make us give up our guns for self defense, corrupt people within the government would gladly murder that amount of children to ensure a disarmed populace. It's literally happened in australia, they kneejerked over 1 mass shooting.
I'm not aware of the government currently knowingly poisoning anyone with lead. But regardless, it's really bizarre that you're implying that armed insurrection is the appropriate response to a health and safety issue
What about the cigarette companies actively lying about health benefits while giving you cancer, in full knowledge of the government? Or the oil companies that found out about climate change before anyone else and covered it up? The Vietnam War? Lockdowns? Where is the concerned populace? Armed citizens are just as easily cowed as unarmed ones, the only difference is that it's easier for them to pretend otherwise.
good lord this is the definition of copium
>haha you brits don't have guns and we do, u mad
>WELL what about when this bad thing happened, why didn't you start shooting the government then?? checkmate!!
>Guns good because no government oppression
>Government oppresses you anyway
>How dare you point this out???
This. Look at Waco. If you do anything the government doesn't like you could kill a few grunts before it's over. A well armed militia means nothing to a federal agency let alone the army or air force. And if you legitimately defend yourself on the street using a gun it's probably going to be from the criminal 13% so you'll end up in jail for life for muh raycism anyway.
Ah yes, remember how the US military completely dominated the Viet Cong with its vastly superior equipment and manpower? Also the Taliban
Good point.
Collectively refusing to pay taxes would be much more effective in leveling the playing field than stockpiling rifles for a revolution that can’t physically target anything. Imagine Waco if they showed up with revolvers and town cars instead of a small army. The rights and lives of the people inside that compound would have still been intact today.
Well yeah, there is a reason they go after tax issues the hardest. Ever since Regan everything's run on debt anyway.
I'm not sure you understand the severity and consequences of open armed rebellion
So you understand that its moronic then?
Do you understand that armed rebellion is the nuclear option? Do you not see how ridiculous it is that you think we should use it basically every time the government does anything bad?
So an armed population is meaningless because the government will do what it wants anyway? That's really all you had to say.
The government doesn't do what it wants. We have an imperfect but fairly effective system for keeping it in check. Guns are the last resort. Stop being silly
People used to do that shit, like the Coal Wars.
>le evil cigarette companies
Most tobacco companies are British, and people voluntarily chose to smoke anyway.
Climate change is not real.
Vietnam War was based and the only people who opposed it were peacenik communists.
Lockdowns didn't exist in conservative areas.
Try again
It's a good point when you brag about your guns while being raped.
When do Americans ever do anything? For an entire Summer blacks burned and destroyed their cities and they did nothing. They started it up in the UK and men were out on the streets with cricket bats boshing nogs and protecting their statues from being torn down. Even Canadians staged a massive Frick You with the vax passport shit. Americans do nothing, ever, they just sit at home stroking their guns (only semi-auto, of course, with shortened magazines, removed bump stocks, and the proper tax forms filled out and moneys paid to be allowed to have a specific foregrip on specific rifles - but THEY'LL NEVER TAKE 'EM, AMIRITE?) and mumbling abut how they're going to do something. The US is the consummate boiling frog.
better lead than dead
I see you received an extra large dose.
homie, you do nothing. Even when you thought the election was stolen and your daddy urged you to "take it back" you did nothing. Guns are just an enlarger for your mutilated tiny dicks, it's incredibly sad when you try to present them as some kind of freedom tool.
Not my problem to fight for Trump, he was a moron who put the wrong people under him and it turned around and bit him. Life is definitely worse with Biden in charge, but it's not bad to the point where I would need to shoot someone. If it gets to that point though, at least I have a means of defending myself, you do not.
>you do not.
I have a gun. It isn't illegal to own one. That's been the point of the thread.
Are all americans illiterate or are you a special case?
Having guns didn't stop the government taking all rights away and making America lockdown like the filthy Chinese commies. Didn't stop by burn loot murderers burning down cities either.
Did you visit any red states during the lockdown? Guess what, aside from some public services being closed things were mostly normal, you didn't need to wear masks when going shopping like you did in blue states. Even in blue states the lockdowns were much less intense compared to Euro countries. The more guns that are present, the less the government is willing to frick with its people.
Sauce: your pozzed butthole
>Even in blue states the lockdowns were much less intense compared to Euro countries
We didn't even have any lockdown in Sweden and I've never wore a face mask in my life.
Its dumb anyway, if you really wanted guns you can get them ask the irish or the french, a fat lard with a loaded glock stuffed in his belt isn't going to be a threat to tyranny.
Fair point. It’s embarrassing.
Not an argument to disarm yourself though.
Lol it did. States like Wyoming and Florida had no lockdowns whatsoever, and in my town specifically there was an attempted BLM protest that got shut down day one by half the county sheriff's department along with a dozen private citizens marching on them with rifles.
BLM riots were in about 6 cities, all of them deeply left-wing shitholes like SF and Chicago.
Shotguns are ez to get a licence for.
Even schizos like the guy who shot up Plymouth a couple of years ago was licenced.
Not as hard to get a gun in the UK as people make out, you just need a valid reason.
Being part of a gun club is one - you can get a handgun that way
Shotguns are everywhere in the countryside
>mutts think that just because you can't get a machine gun in your local supermarket that guns are banned
Yes.
If self defense is not a valid reason for owning and obtaining a gun, then they're pretty much banned, simple as.
If they had a legal right to get their own food (hunt) it would be different. But yeah, banning self defense is a surefire way to ban firearms generally.
shotguns are fairly easy to get if you have property outside of large cities.
A bloke I work with has some shotguns and some rifles. Likes to hunt and frickml.
frickml?
Its nice having unarmed police, probably the biggest benefit to not having a armed populous.
Would you be saying that if a family member or loved one was killed at say a Xmas market buy an ISIS gunman because the local beat bobbys drafted in to police the event stood by doing nothing (as they are trained to do) waiting the 15 - 20 minute armed response time?
Whats the name of the bong who did a rambo in the 80s? Shot people and hid in their houses. He hid in the woods and a survivalist army advisor had to hunt him down.
Lol serfs are fricking pathetic.
No (you)s for the subject.
Unfortunately in 2023 our governments could probably kill us before we even got out of bed if they wanted to.
There's a loophole if you're also using it as a dilator
>it's good we have guns in case the government tries to frick us in the ass
>*government fricks them in the ass constantly*
>well, THAT doesn't count
Americans are so dumb, Jesus Christ. You like guns because they make boom boom and because you're brainwashed into thinking you'll be able to face the army or something (LMAO).
can you come up with another method of coping that you don't have the same level of freedom we do? this same "why haven't you started another civil war yet" argument you keep making is tiresome
Your the one who said that having guns means the government doesn't tread on you. We are pointing out that it treads on you anyway. Stop trying to move the goalposts.
And they haven't, not in any meaningful way. Our basic rights have not been infringed. We save armed rebellion for ACTUAL oppression, not some brief annoying covid lockdowns
Ok rape u next week
>freedom = to have a gun while the government fricks you in the ass anyway
Americans literally can't cross the road or drink alcohol in public without being arrested.
>arrested
Unless they get shot because the policemen felt threatened and thought the guy is reaching for a gun.
But I'm Euro and can get a gun and it's similar in probably all European countries. Americans are just ignorant fats and know nothing. I bet they don't know we don't get our dicks mutilated when we're born and we get 4-5 weeks paid leave guaranteed by law. Truly a nightmare existence.
Americans understand that the civil war was fought between two standing armies right?
They don't think that they can just rise up one day and topple the US if only they tried hard enough right?
I don't think they really do. They think they'll get Billy Ray and cousin Beau and they'll form a freedumb platoon fighting against the tyranical librul army.
Look up what 'bushwhacking' is.
The US military lost against the taliban, and the taliban was on the other side of the planet from the US production/tax base.
Reminder that wizards really don’t have an answer for firearms and only have their epic secret society because we allow them to.
They were in the norf, everyone and their mum's packing
>be britoid
>someone breaks into your home
>not only can you not defend yourself but you are legally required to inform him where your valuables are
kinda cringe innit
Shotguns can be legally purchased in Great Britain by any holder of a valid Shotgun Certificate (SGC). This was created by the Gun Control Act of 1968, to differentiate sporting & farming shotguns from the pre-existing Firearm Certificate (FAC). The SGC is "shall-issue" i.e. will be issued by default unless there is discovered some particular reason to indicate that it should not be issued (in contrast to the FAC, which is "may-issue" i.e. will only be issued if sufficient good reason for it is provided)
In the book Mr Dursley is noted as having gone to a Post Office and returned with a long brown parcel (which is later revealed to contain a shotgun).
This implies that he ordered it by mail, but also serves as a neat nod to the historical fact that the original FAC was a perfunctory certificate which carried no legal standing and was not required to own or purchase a firearm at all. It was merely a promissory note; that he would voluntarily purchase the certificate indicated he was of good character and a firearm dealer need have no qualms about selling arms to him. The FAC could be purchased by filling out & submitting a form at your local Post Office. It was much later that the FAC came to become a defacto "license" issued by the Police.
Mr Dursley's shotgun is a contrivance. The necessary time delay for an SGC application to be processed upon Police services makes it simpler to imagine that Mr Dursley was already in possession of an SGC prior to the beginning of the story, though this doesn't much fit with his comfortable middleclass suburbanite character. Perhaps Mr Dursley was an occasional grouse shooter? Truly Mr Dursley was a man of many hidden depths
>Dumbledore bellowed calmly.
Bot posts
Based I wrote the first one to sound like a bot post although I got a bit bored toward the end
Second one nah
Because Mrs. Dursley worked for British Intelligence
I watch the geowizard videos and according to him, the most dangerous place you can find yourself in is trespassing on a welsh person's farm. They shoot on sight.
So is that HBO show happening or not?
>guns are banned in the UK
Only Americans say this, because you can't just walk into Wal-Mart to buy an AR. There's not a single European country that banned guns.
Vernon owned a company and had connections to the black market.
Despite what /misc/ tries to claim, most European countries have perfectly reasonable gun laws and getting access to firearms is quite easy if you aren't a Black person with a criminal record and don't have the Tiktok fried attention span of a zoomer.
Any gun law is unreasonable, you communist homosexual.
SWISS have relaxed gun laws and you don't hear abaut shootings there. ANd the recent shooting has been proven to be made from Illegally purchased gun (Then again That guy was propably CIA psyop)
Because no black people.
If your rec room doesn't look like this, you can't even call yourself free.
On Sunday, 26 August 1990, six years after the fire and four years after the stabbing of Antonio Cabanillas by Jerónimo Izquierdo, his two brothers, Emilio and Antonio Izquierdo, aged 56 and 52 respectively, said goodbye to their sisters, Ángela and Luciana Izquierdo in their house in Monterrubio de la Serena, assuring that "We are going to hunt turtledoves". Dressed as hunters and armed with 12 gauge shotguns, they hid at nightfall in an alley in town and then came out and shoot cartridges against numerous members of the Cabanillas family who were there, they were specifically looking for Antonio Cabanillas Rivera. Subsequently, the shooting would result against anyone who accidentally came across them in the street. The incident resulted in 9 people dead, two little girls who were sisters of the Cabanillas family among them, Encarnación and Antonia Cabanillas (daughters of Antonio), aged 13 and 14 respectively, who were playing in the square and were brutally shot at short distance by the Izquierdo brothers. There were over 12 wounded people with different degrees of severity. Some ended up paraplegic and in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives. The third sister of Encarnación and Antonia, María del Carmen Cabanillas, avoided the massacre since she was at the time at her cousin's home. A six-year-old-child, Guillermo Ojeda Sánchez, was hit in the head, and left in a coma.
The UK is lenient on double barrel shotguns and muzzle loaders, almost as easy to get as it is in the US. And it could be a family heirloom from before the gun lockdowns.
Farmers and farmers' mums are packing in the UK
>excited to shitpost in HP thread
>get /misc/shit instead
500 points from Griffindor
All the farmers are packing around here.
And farmers mums