No, it was fan service garbage. Vince is such a coward creatively that he admitted to tailoring it with a fan reaction in mind. It was gutless and ultimately meant nothing.
Then again, that makes sense. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are cheeto dust. They are lazy cliche-ridden thrillers dressed up as art house. Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America. They think in terms of "good guys" (the DEA and the rest of the bureaucratic scum that profit off the disastrous drug war) and "bad guys" i.e. criminals who have the gall to flout the righteous laws of the United States government. Oh yes, what a deep morality play BB and BCS are.
This is "high brow" entertainment for the Marvel generation. For Reddit moralists and man children. Good riddance to these series that, along with GoT, drove the stake into the heart of the television golden age. We traded real human stories (The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire) for cheap thrills and shock value. For the "OMG" moments like Howard getting his head blown off. Of course, lazy viewers eat up this lazy entertainment.
>good guys" (the DEA
Breaking Bad consistently portrayed the DEA as dehumanising as the cartel, and at least some of the addicts and dealers were portrayed sympathetically.
>Consistently portrayed the DEA as dehumanizing as the cartel
What show are you watching? Seriously. Hank Schrader is the consummate DEA agent and he's portrayed as a paragon. Ditto for Gomez. Hank's coworkers are all shown to be decent people doing their job. The cartel, on the other hand, are murderous degenerates. It is sad the way you lie to yourself. The Breaking Bad universe has the same moral complexity as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
>Hank Schrader is the consummate DEA agent and he's portrayed as a paragon
He's shown as vain, dehumanising, racist, volatile and dirty. What did you think of him beating Jesse, posing for a picture with a corpse, getting the grill of the guy he killed and trying to illegally collect evidence? He does have a human side - how he acts around his family and colleagues is largely positive - but he also has an inhuman side.
What about how they portray Jesse and his friends? Misunderstood, downtrodden, making mistakes and breaking the law but generally sympathetic.
>Hank's coworkers are all shown to be decent people doing their job.
Who give a cartel member whatever he wants and practically suck him off for information, then laugh at him being decapitated, and ogle the guy dying in hospital, and generally treat addicts, dealers, gangsters, etc. as subhumans.
>The cartel, on the other hand, are murderous degenerates.
They are IRL too.
Honestly if you think it's black and white that the DEA are good it says more about you. If you thought the DEA were portrayed wholly positively then you must think all the wrong things they did were OK.
>Vain, dehumanizing, racist, volatile, etc.
Perhaps to you, the viewer. I'm talking about the position of the creator and writers of the show. Hank is the epitome of moral righteousness and good in the Breaking Bad universe. That is constantly beaten over the head of the viewer. Beating Jesse was arguably a justified response to learning that a drug dealer has intimate details about his wife. Posing for the picture was comic relief and just a way for the writers to make Walt aware of Tuco's henchman's death. The grill was gifted to Hank by his employees and he is disgusted by it and throws it away.
>Jesse and his friends
Jesse put through hell because he needs to "atone" for his drug dealing (the horror!). His friends are comic relief. Besides, one of them is killed for his very short stint in the drug trade.
>Who give a cartel member whatever he wants
The cartel member was an informant. Do you know what an informant is? The DEA's treatment of addicts is never portrayed as being morally questionable. Hank's tactics with people like Huell are treated as comic relief at best and smart policing at worst.
>They are IRL too
Here we agree. The cartels are vicious scum but they have also been created by the drug war. Without drug prohibition the cartels would quickly go extinct.
You have been watching a different show if you believe the DEA have been portrayed as anything but the "good guys".
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Anonymous
>I'm talking about the position of the creator and writers of the show.
How do you know what that is?
>Hank is the epitome of moral righteousness and good in the Breaking Bad universe. That is constantly beaten over the head of the viewer
Please relate evidence in the source material.
>Beating Jesse was arguably a justified response to learning that a drug dealer has intimate details about his wife
That's how you see it. How do you know the writers thought it was justified?
>Posing for the picture was comic relief and just a way for the writers to make Walt aware of Tuco's henchman's death.
How do you know?
>he is disgusted by it and throws it away.
Only after the bombing IIRC.
>His friends are comic relief.
They're still sympathetic and shown to stick together through tough times.
>The DEA's treatment of addicts is never portrayed as being morally questionable. Hank's tactics with people like Huell are treated as comic relief at best and smart policing at worst.
This just means you don't have a problem with that behaviour. It is left for the viewer to decide and you're deciding it's ok.
>The cartels are vicious scum but they have also been created by the drug war.
This is shown in how Gus loses his lover/friend, and appears to harden afterwards (there's not much to go on but he comes across as much less menacing in that scene).
>and generally treat addicts, dealers, gangsters, etc. as subhumans.
they are though......
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not human
2 years ago
Anonymous
So cartels who butcher people in the most vile ways, drug dealers who push their drugs on children, gang bangers who kill hundreds of innocent bystanders are all great people, but someone on a Mongolian Alpaca fan forum is not human?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You painted a broad brush and now you're being specific. The broad claim is the sinister one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Drug dealers who push their drugs on children
Who are you talking about? Most drug dealers are users themselves and 99.99% of the time they are dealing to adult consumers who want the product. The drug war (which you evidently support) has created cartels, gang bangers, etc. You are a sheltered child. Leave your room and learn about the world a little bit, kid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You sound like an ex drug junkie who is probably vaping while posting on Cinemaphile. drugs aren't a postive thing in peoples lives, get out of the trap house and become productive with your life
2 years ago
Anonymous
When did I say drugs were a positive? Drugs are a reality. The vast majority of people you meet in the world (I know that is rare for you anon) consume multiple drugs every single day.
I'm in favour of harm mitigation. I'm against your militant and childish view of drug prohibition that destroys lives and leads to the proliferation of violent gangs and cartels. Unfortunately, your small-minded view remains popular and you remain a useful tool for the profit-driven prison industrial complex and the massive police bureaucracy and its unions that feast on these backwards laws.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the majority of people use mulitple illegal drugs every single day. So you honestly believe that over 50% of people use multiple illegal drugs everyday? you have got to be high right now, or so completely out of tough that you seem high.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you struggle with reading comprehension? I'm serious, did you graduate high school?
I said drugs, not illegal drugs. Coffee, alcohol, tobacco, anti-anxiety medication, anti-depressants, etc. You can stack the illicit drugs on top of that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
okay dude, you are clearly a fricking idiot. this is pretty clear. so have fun being an absolute fricking trash idiot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>drugs are... LE BAD >except the ones i use myself
grow a chin & gain height
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your parents did a shitty job raising you.
>Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America >Breaking Bad only exists because of how shitty and third world America's health care is
holy speedwatcher
No, BB happens because Walt refuses to have his treatment paid for by his rich friends. His cancer is just a plot device to get him into the drug game. Breaking Bad has nothing to say about the American health care system. Name me one scene that explicitly challenges the American health care system.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You sound like an ex drug junkie who is probably vaping while posting on Cinemaphile. drugs aren't a postive thing in peoples lives, get out of the trap house and become productive with your life.
literal drone mentality kek
the majority of the replies are saying they agree yet you still pretend like your opinion is so brave and controversial
yeah please post more about how this show's ending sucked on the website where 90% of people agree with you, you're so BRAVE willing to get challenged like this
>No, it was fan service garbage. Vince is such a coward creatively that he admitted to tailoring it with a fan reaction in mind. It was gutless and ultimately meant nothing.
>Then again, that makes sense. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are cheeto dust. They are lazy cliche-ridden thrillers dressed up as art house. Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America. They think in terms of "good guys" (the DEA and the rest of the bureaucratic scum that profit off the disastrous drug war) and "bad guys" i.e. criminals who have the gall to flout the righteous laws of the United States government. Oh yes, what a deep morality play BB and BCS are.
>This is "high brow" entertainment for the Marvel generation. For Reddit moralists and man children. Good riddance to these series that, along with GoT, drove the stake into the heart of the television golden age. We traded real human stories (The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire) for cheap thrills and shock value. For the "OMG" moments like Howard getting his head blown off. Of course, lazy viewers eat up this lazy entertainment.
Honestly, it’s like a westgoy version of why Kiryu had to go to prison multiple times. It’s because it was “the right thing to do” by the yakuza standards
I really think if Todd had survived the BB ending and drove off into the sunset to make perfect meth, the ending would have been okay.
but no, the focus group of normies needed to get absolutely fricking everything they could possibly ask for.
This man is absolutely right and if you disagree there's a 100% chance your understanding of morality is something along the lines of "there's a difference between black people and Black folk"
>Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America >Breaking Bad only exists because of how shitty and third world America's health care is
holy speedwatcher
It was ok but they portrayed Walt as if he was evil and that his family was right for cutting ties with him. Walt also forgave that moronic useless junkie homosexual Jesse for no reason but killed all the "nazis" who were nicer and fairer to him than any other criminals because they continued to sell his meth? Why does he even care about that?
woke reddit era
>iphone poster
into the trash it goes
Breaking bads ending was fantastic, don’t know what you are talking about
No, it was fan service garbage. Vince is such a coward creatively that he admitted to tailoring it with a fan reaction in mind. It was gutless and ultimately meant nothing.
Then again, that makes sense. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are cheeto dust. They are lazy cliche-ridden thrillers dressed up as art house. Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America. They think in terms of "good guys" (the DEA and the rest of the bureaucratic scum that profit off the disastrous drug war) and "bad guys" i.e. criminals who have the gall to flout the righteous laws of the United States government. Oh yes, what a deep morality play BB and BCS are.
This is "high brow" entertainment for the Marvel generation. For Reddit moralists and man children. Good riddance to these series that, along with GoT, drove the stake into the heart of the television golden age. We traded real human stories (The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire) for cheap thrills and shock value. For the "OMG" moments like Howard getting his head blown off. Of course, lazy viewers eat up this lazy entertainment.
>good guys" (the DEA
Breaking Bad consistently portrayed the DEA as dehumanising as the cartel, and at least some of the addicts and dealers were portrayed sympathetically.
>Consistently portrayed the DEA as dehumanizing as the cartel
What show are you watching? Seriously. Hank Schrader is the consummate DEA agent and he's portrayed as a paragon. Ditto for Gomez. Hank's coworkers are all shown to be decent people doing their job. The cartel, on the other hand, are murderous degenerates. It is sad the way you lie to yourself. The Breaking Bad universe has the same moral complexity as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
>Hank Schrader is the consummate DEA agent and he's portrayed as a paragon
He's shown as vain, dehumanising, racist, volatile and dirty. What did you think of him beating Jesse, posing for a picture with a corpse, getting the grill of the guy he killed and trying to illegally collect evidence? He does have a human side - how he acts around his family and colleagues is largely positive - but he also has an inhuman side.
What about how they portray Jesse and his friends? Misunderstood, downtrodden, making mistakes and breaking the law but generally sympathetic.
>Hank's coworkers are all shown to be decent people doing their job.
Who give a cartel member whatever he wants and practically suck him off for information, then laugh at him being decapitated, and ogle the guy dying in hospital, and generally treat addicts, dealers, gangsters, etc. as subhumans.
>The cartel, on the other hand, are murderous degenerates.
They are IRL too.
Honestly if you think it's black and white that the DEA are good it says more about you. If you thought the DEA were portrayed wholly positively then you must think all the wrong things they did were OK.
>Vain, dehumanizing, racist, volatile, etc.
Perhaps to you, the viewer. I'm talking about the position of the creator and writers of the show. Hank is the epitome of moral righteousness and good in the Breaking Bad universe. That is constantly beaten over the head of the viewer. Beating Jesse was arguably a justified response to learning that a drug dealer has intimate details about his wife. Posing for the picture was comic relief and just a way for the writers to make Walt aware of Tuco's henchman's death. The grill was gifted to Hank by his employees and he is disgusted by it and throws it away.
>Jesse and his friends
Jesse put through hell because he needs to "atone" for his drug dealing (the horror!). His friends are comic relief. Besides, one of them is killed for his very short stint in the drug trade.
>Who give a cartel member whatever he wants
The cartel member was an informant. Do you know what an informant is? The DEA's treatment of addicts is never portrayed as being morally questionable. Hank's tactics with people like Huell are treated as comic relief at best and smart policing at worst.
>They are IRL too
Here we agree. The cartels are vicious scum but they have also been created by the drug war. Without drug prohibition the cartels would quickly go extinct.
You have been watching a different show if you believe the DEA have been portrayed as anything but the "good guys".
>I'm talking about the position of the creator and writers of the show.
How do you know what that is?
>Hank is the epitome of moral righteousness and good in the Breaking Bad universe. That is constantly beaten over the head of the viewer
Please relate evidence in the source material.
>Beating Jesse was arguably a justified response to learning that a drug dealer has intimate details about his wife
That's how you see it. How do you know the writers thought it was justified?
>Posing for the picture was comic relief and just a way for the writers to make Walt aware of Tuco's henchman's death.
How do you know?
>he is disgusted by it and throws it away.
Only after the bombing IIRC.
>His friends are comic relief.
They're still sympathetic and shown to stick together through tough times.
>The DEA's treatment of addicts is never portrayed as being morally questionable. Hank's tactics with people like Huell are treated as comic relief at best and smart policing at worst.
This just means you don't have a problem with that behaviour. It is left for the viewer to decide and you're deciding it's ok.
>The cartels are vicious scum but they have also been created by the drug war.
This is shown in how Gus loses his lover/friend, and appears to harden afterwards (there's not much to go on but he comes across as much less menacing in that scene).
>and generally treat addicts, dealers, gangsters, etc. as subhumans.
they are though......
You're not human
So cartels who butcher people in the most vile ways, drug dealers who push their drugs on children, gang bangers who kill hundreds of innocent bystanders are all great people, but someone on a Mongolian Alpaca fan forum is not human?
You painted a broad brush and now you're being specific. The broad claim is the sinister one.
>Drug dealers who push their drugs on children
Who are you talking about? Most drug dealers are users themselves and 99.99% of the time they are dealing to adult consumers who want the product. The drug war (which you evidently support) has created cartels, gang bangers, etc. You are a sheltered child. Leave your room and learn about the world a little bit, kid.
You sound like an ex drug junkie who is probably vaping while posting on Cinemaphile. drugs aren't a postive thing in peoples lives, get out of the trap house and become productive with your life
When did I say drugs were a positive? Drugs are a reality. The vast majority of people you meet in the world (I know that is rare for you anon) consume multiple drugs every single day.
I'm in favour of harm mitigation. I'm against your militant and childish view of drug prohibition that destroys lives and leads to the proliferation of violent gangs and cartels. Unfortunately, your small-minded view remains popular and you remain a useful tool for the profit-driven prison industrial complex and the massive police bureaucracy and its unions that feast on these backwards laws.
the majority of people use mulitple illegal drugs every single day. So you honestly believe that over 50% of people use multiple illegal drugs everyday? you have got to be high right now, or so completely out of tough that you seem high.
Do you struggle with reading comprehension? I'm serious, did you graduate high school?
I said drugs, not illegal drugs. Coffee, alcohol, tobacco, anti-anxiety medication, anti-depressants, etc. You can stack the illicit drugs on top of that.
okay dude, you are clearly a fricking idiot. this is pretty clear. so have fun being an absolute fricking trash idiot.
>drugs are... LE BAD
>except the ones i use myself
grow a chin & gain height
Your parents did a shitty job raising you.
No, BB happens because Walt refuses to have his treatment paid for by his rich friends. His cancer is just a plot device to get him into the drug game. Breaking Bad has nothing to say about the American health care system. Name me one scene that explicitly challenges the American health care system.
You sound like an ex drug junkie who is probably vaping while posting on Cinemaphile. drugs aren't a postive thing in peoples lives, get out of the trap house and become productive with your life.
>The Breaking Bad universe has the same moral complexity as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
based and accurate.
also why its so popular. I appreciate the compromised-despite-good-intentions FBI agents in the Sopranos more and more.
We watched a different show then.
Being a contrarian doesn't make you look smart or cool, troony
Very intelligent rebuttal. The average mentally ill troony can probably still run circles around your dumb ass.
>a "popular thing bad" npc thinks it deserves a meaningful reply
>le popular thing.... good
No television is high brow.
agreed, making walt victorious at the end was a cop-out, making walt redeem himself without actually atoning or suffering was a cop-out
have a nice day you moronic fricking homosexual
kino post has all the plebbitors seething
literal drone mentality kek
the majority of the replies are saying they agree yet you still pretend like your opinion is so brave and controversial
yeah please post more about how this show's ending sucked on the website where 90% of people agree with you, you're so BRAVE willing to get challenged like this
>No, it was fan service garbage. Vince is such a coward creatively that he admitted to tailoring it with a fan reaction in mind. It was gutless and ultimately meant nothing.
>Then again, that makes sense. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are cheeto dust. They are lazy cliche-ridden thrillers dressed up as art house. Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America. They think in terms of "good guys" (the DEA and the rest of the bureaucratic scum that profit off the disastrous drug war) and "bad guys" i.e. criminals who have the gall to flout the righteous laws of the United States government. Oh yes, what a deep morality play BB and BCS are.
>This is "high brow" entertainment for the Marvel generation. For Reddit moralists and man children. Good riddance to these series that, along with GoT, drove the stake into the heart of the television golden age. We traded real human stories (The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire) for cheap thrills and shock value. For the "OMG" moments like Howard getting his head blown off. Of course, lazy viewers eat up this lazy entertainment.
Honestly, it’s like a westgoy version of why Kiryu had to go to prison multiple times. It’s because it was “the right thing to do” by the yakuza standards
The US government is not your fricking friend.
I really think if Todd had survived the BB ending and drove off into the sunset to make perfect meth, the ending would have been okay.
but no, the focus group of normies needed to get absolutely fricking everything they could possibly ask for.
Holy based. Redditors seething
"this isn't wrong.....in fact it isn't at all wrong..... it's actually correct"
-Brad Dourif
Harsh, but I unironically agree. I actually thought they were going to be more daring with BCS’s ending
I'd think you'd have gotten bored by the 10th time replying to yourself
Take your meds, the Elden ring gays also didn’t believe in the dissent at first. You’ll get used to it
This man is absolutely right and if you disagree there's a 100% chance your understanding of morality is something along the lines of "there's a difference between black people and Black folk"
Based. Look at all those seething Plebbit replies
What shows would you recommend?
>Gilligan and Gould have nothing to say about contemporary America
>Breaking Bad only exists because of how shitty and third world America's health care is
holy speedwatcher
>It was a bad ending because fans of the show wanted it to end like that.
Oh, okay.
bump
When they quote his post with a soijak picture, you know he's righ.
It was ok but they portrayed Walt as if he was evil and that his family was right for cutting ties with him. Walt also forgave that moronic useless junkie homosexual Jesse for no reason but killed all the "nazis" who were nicer and fairer to him than any other criminals because they continued to sell his meth? Why does he even care about that?
Walt was evil though. He didn't set out to be evil, but his journey became evil.
jack and his crew killed hank, he doesn't even give a shit about jesse until walt saw him in chains
Both endings are good. Better call saul would be a solid show if you cut out half of it
Exactly, way too slow and too long
Better call Saul's ending sucked but breaking bads was good
BCS is entirely moronic.
Drop phones???????????? Kim being smart yet acts like a model who barely acts??????????????
Enjoy jail L glad your show is dead
That was a fricking masterpiece compared to BCS, holy shit.
Absolutely
It was garbage. Case closed.
Yeah, this episode was bad. Saul's confession couldn't help Kim from getting sued. Kim signed an affidavit explaining her involvement.
He wasn't trying to stop her from being sued, he just wanted her to see him in his moment of "redemption".
BB ending is literally the best television ending of all time
I blame the israelites
>Popular thing out
>Popular thing bad
>Popular thing almost as bad as previous popular thing that was bad
Anon, can I suck your dick? You're so contrarian it's impressive. I want to be your friend. I marvel at your awareness.
crime is LE BAD! my dead brother was le right, I should le TURN MYSELF IN!
Lets just say when you fighr the law... The law fights back... and wins!
Agreed. Ending was trash
Breaking Bad had a great ending, what are you talking about?