The style looks horrible to start with, so even if we were to discuss the racial stuff it's already shit beforehand.
Those kids look like they're from two different cartoons. The left one looks like something from a very caricatured ad while the boy actually looks normal.
Both of this. But I have another problem which is the presence of endless OCs and absence of bots we know save for three that will most likely just function as their "parents" and Bee as the big brother. It reeks of generic show that starts with a whole new cast of "kid" transformers because that's what they believe kids would be into when most of them would actually prefer cool adult warrior bots like everybody else.
I am not in for this if half of the show is literal babysitting and if the plot can be summarized with "mcguffin causing stuff on earth" again.
>I am not in for this if half of the show is literal babysitting and if the plot can be summarized with "mcguffin causing stuff on earth" again.
anon this is a toy comerical show on nickoledeon. What are you expecting out of the plot. Just look at all the TMNT shows made for Nick and there's your answer.
Not that guy, but almost nobody collects the show toys, old fricks only buy CHUG. You can hardly discuss show toys on /toy/ at all because nobody gives a shit
And most of them move to 3P(i.e., not lining Hasbro's pocket). Besides that, kids are just a bigger market . Pretty much every boy will get one transformers toy one, but only a fraction of those kids will grow up to keep buying toys. Hasbro's been better at targeting collectors, but its firmly as a nostalgia thing, not for current lines. When RiD 14 was coming about, they basically said the toys weren't going to be as good as the Generations stuff, because the idea was that kids who grew up with it would get homage toylines 10-20 years down the road.
>every kid will get at least 1 transformer toy
Yes and man children will buy at least 10 and even buy the "premium highgrade" or what ever the frick line for 200$ more
Objectively speaking, the new designs do seem better rendered(and that Prime pic was probably touched up.)
The designs are just bad though, and I say that as someone who didn't care for Prime's Bayverse Animated mashup style. Humans are just uncanny and the Transformers look really generic.
is transformable robot toys that niche that no other company has decent molds to make a contract with and get licensing with???
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. Plus you still can't call them Autobot/Decepticon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Plus you still can't call them Autobot/Decepticon.
Could they not get away with using the latin america faction naming when the G1 toyline was released over there unofficially?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Beastbox is great though. Most companies making exclusives plan around TFcon these days. Maybe if this con does well there's be Botcon exclusives from companies like MMC again
From where do you get the idea that all Rise staff can do is Rise art style when most of them already worked on various 3d shows, including many that worked on the TMNT 2012 3D show?
I keep hearing this criticism about RID15 being a bad sequel, yet I don’t see it, TFP barely worked as a show, RID15 didn’t really do anything bad and the fact that Megatron stayed exiled showed that there was respect to the show that came before since they made that exile mean something.
Not really, RID was a bad sequel that retcon shit from Prime and the books, also doesint help that the show had a complete tone shift that was nothing like Prime. dont forget the deception's designs made no fricking sense and were a lot of times pure garbage, the show was mostly hated cause it was a bad sequel to a show that many people loved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
See this guy is the average tfp fan angry about RID for no real reason.
Its a bit of a connection not many people might get, but at least one other anon agreed with me;Prime is like Zeta Gundam, RID14 is like Gundam ZZ. Prime is the serious, lore heavy one, RiD is a more breezy, lighthearted series, but does build up to serious moments organically. Prime wraps up its central conflict enough that RiD trying to undo it would have made it worse.
is like Gundam ZZ. Prime is the serious, lore heavy one, RiD is a more breezy, lighthearted series, but does build up to serious moments organically. Prime wraps up its central conflict enough that RiD trying to undo it would have made it worse.
And this is an intellectual. People should be thankful that RID15 functions as an epilogue of sorts that doesn’t really mess up what was done in the prior series.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>See this guy is the average tfp fan angry about RID for no real reason.
Wha I have made my reasons why I dont like the show that much.
>And this is an intellectual. People should be thankful that RID15 functions as an epilogue of sorts that doesn’t really mess up what was done in the prior series.
moron they retconed the whole fallen shit and fricked up on resurrecting Optimus
2 years ago
Anonymous
> moron they retconed the whole fallen shit and fricked up on resurrecting Optimus
Holy shit hilarious. Look, historically most crap involving the 13 is shit so they didn’t even try. Megatronus was there so they wouldn’t have to use Megatron as Hasbro wanted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>remove the melodramatic Megatronus origin created for the Aligned continuity and instead just return him to being straight up evil
seems fine to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the whole fallen shit
But Fallen wasn't in Prime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He was in the expanded media Ie, The Covenant of Primus which gave him detailed backstory different from the dreamwave comics. but instead RID made him a boring one note villain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Isn't constantly on fire >Optimus Prime doesn't take his face
What was the point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eh, Prime mostly didn't care for expanded media so I don't see why RiD had to either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Alligined continuity was fricked from day 0. No wonder they stopped using binders.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Prime mostly respected the books as the books were went to be Prequels for the show unlike the games. my main problem with the fallen in RID was that he was boring and ROTF Fallen was more entertaining.
Its a bit of a connection not many people might get, but at least one other anon agreed with me;Prime is like Zeta Gundam, RID14 is like Gundam ZZ. Prime is the serious, lore heavy one, RiD is a more breezy, lighthearted series, but does build up to serious moments organically. Prime wraps up its central conflict enough that RiD trying to undo it would have made it worse.
I mean the only thing RID15 undid from Prime was Optimus's sacrifice at the end of Predacons Rising with instead him being teleported to the Realm of the Primes instead but I wouldn't really call that a serious retcon as all it does is let Optimus Prime come back
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah that’s a very dumb complaint since Optimus would return in any other sequel show they made. It’s unthinkable that they wouldn’t revive Optimus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean the only thing RID15 undid from Prime was Optimus's sacrifice at the end of Predacons Rising with instead him being teleported to the Realm of the Primes instead but I wouldn't really call that a serious retcon as all it does is let Optimus Prime come back
Optimus sacrifice in prime had meaning, he gave up his life to bring cybertron back and start a new era of peace and it was up to team Prime to help lead Cybertron without a Prime. But in RID they undid that brought him back to fight the Fallen who in Universe makes no sense, Prime should have stayed dead cause his death had meaning again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Optimus Prime dying so he can come back later is a meme. Like maybe you could claim the 86 movie death is important, but that one gets undone as the end of the series. Meanwhile his first death in the comic is killing himself because he violated his principles on accident in a battle simulation, and then again so he can get NEW TOY, setting up a pattern going forward. In particular that is why Animated frontloaded it to the pilot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is mentally moronic. His sacrifice, like everything in Prime, was a last minute asspull to write off a solution to a problem the writers introduced themselves. That doesn't even make fricking sense since Unicron literally says he can feel the Allspark and should've been able to tell the energy was coming from Optimus and not from the little box.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe it was just a general feeling?
2 years ago
Anonymous
That still would make no sense since the Allspark was flat out glowing inside of the box before it was taken out of it, so for the plot to work, Unicron needs to somehow have forgotten he can feel where the allspark is AND be blind at the exact same time.
This isn't even the first or the worst time the show went full moronic to solve it's melodrama too. Season 3 literally begins with an insane logical leap that contracts what happened on-screen. Ratchet was the last person to leave the base after Smokescreen had come and went and the bridge portal had already closed on him, and the episode's very "PREVIOUSLY ON TRANSFORMERS PRIME" montage shows it. But then the writers act like Smokescreen was the last one to leave the base just so he could come back and save Optimus, mysteriously intact despite the base blowing up as soon as he came back.
It lacks a coherent plot, characters and plot developments are infuriating. For some strange reason their Megatron is based but that’s about all its pros.
If they really have Nick Roche designing the characters and not just putting a popular person on the team in a "supervising" role to make it sound legitimate, then the GC team must be awful.
I watch Pluto TV a lot and all the live action nick shows are stuff like "That Girl Lay Lay", "Young Dylan", and "Side Hustle", all of which sound like parodies of UPN shows from the Proud family and all with black kids.
Ugliness aside, why even have primary human characters... they always seem unnecessarily inserted, i don't care about them and just want robot drama/violence.... tey're super advanced robot they don't need (really really ugly) humans help
Humans sell the premise. They're alien robots disguised as Earth vehicles. A lot of the human stuff in Transformers can get pretty bad, but when done well there's a lot you can get out of it, and having a human or two as a main character helps connect it all.
That’s what makes Beast Wars so great. No human subplot filler and only focusing on the robots. Only episode that sucked were the ones that featured the anthropoid kids.
That’s probably why they will never reboot BW cause they can’t shill any human characters there.
Beast Wars could get away with it because animals can be anthropomorphized, and the robots themselves were smaller in scale. Witht he G1/Classic style giant vehicle robots, you need points of relation withtheir alt-mode and size to really sell them.
This is why in so many of the comics, they end up never transforming or its a few panels. without humans, the vehicle alt-modes become nothing more than transport every few issues.
Too bad I hate Elita in every series she was in and Optimus looks really dumb here. I cannot fathom how they didn't care to give the most iconic character of this franchise a proper look.
>Optimus just shakes his head at the anons in this thread. >Wheeljack, Ironhide, Ratchet and Prowl all silently agree with the anons. >Jazz is pissed at how they act and what they say, casually smashes up a scrapyard. >Dinobots sit around eating the cybertron-equivalent of glue.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEIR FRICKING FACES!? It is like they are trying to avoid having lewds made of their characters by making them the least appealing creatures imaginable.
You know Sari was a Paj, right?
She was also the best Transformers sidekick. The issue is that these little niglets look like monsters. If they had more of a Wolf from Kipo look or something they would be just fine.
Black boy in the back there looks like one of the old minstrel figures my gran has. One of those shrivelled up fruit ones with the big frick-off sunglasses.
TFP was already childish am I really the only one that feels like this? Unless it got dark later. Maybe, I gave up after episode 6.
That said I have no hope for the new series. Bee looks good at least and has a nose and I kinda like that one Roche character, but literally everything else sounds bad and looks bad imo.
>bro it was dark >bro actually its a kids show it can't be dark
bro make up your mind bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
Listen to what I said >not every episode is going grimdark
Prime has its dark episodes and its more light hearted episodes, Prime was made to be enjoyed by all ages but it was still a kid show with restrictions. Kinda like beast wars with its mixture of dark and light hearted episodes even more then prime did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What "light hearted episodes"?
Granted it's been awhile since I've watched Prime but I can't think of a single episode that could qualify.
2 years ago
Anonymous
From what I remember since it was also been a while since I watched prime, from season 1 I remember con job, metal attraction and T.M.I being the light hearted ones of season 1.
>God damn it, when will they learn the humans are the least interesting part of Transformers
Ah but you see this iteration HAD to have humans, because we had to shove in your face BLACK representation thanks to the legacy of Saint George Floyd. They weren't going to get the woke-points if they just had "black-coded" Transformers.
Transformers can't survive on its indoctrinated fandom alone, it needs the casual audience, meaning kiddies, to buy all those Bumblebee and Evergreen figures nobody wants.
TFP homosexuals keep getting upset at RID15 but the fact is that show was far more cost effective while still having more robot variety and even more humans, who were even less of a focus (and were useful far more often than not).
>humans, who were even less of a focus (and were useful far more often than not).
I hated how the dad would just put on a different hat and pretend to be some ranger or officer and everyone would believe him
Pre-9/11 that happened all the time. Maybe 9/11 didn’t happen in the Aligned continuity.
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Anonymous
It's still just a really dumb. Agent Fowler from Prime at least had high level government clearance as an excuse to have areas evacuated. In RID the guy just puts on a police hat while wearing a Hawaiian shirt and tells everyone he's a cop and they better leave and not call the police cause he's a cop and he already called it in
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think Bee actually does ask Fowler for clearance offscreen one episode so the connection is still there. I guess everyone just finds Denny doing his thing more amusing.
I know a lot of anon on here shit on the Netflix trilogy's stiff movement and dark coloring. But lets not forget about Machinima's train wreck of a trilogy
Please, IDW shat on them the worst, at least Earthrise had them be heroes that helped the save the day rather then minions of unicron that committed genocide against their own kind.
>show basically kills off or writes out all of the expensive star voice actors >keeps Ernie Hudson all the way through
Can’t really say they made the wrong choice.
Eh, If I’m 100% honest, Prime and the shows after it (barring Prime Wars and War For Cybertron which are outright trash) are better shows than most Western animation from their era.
Which does not do current Western animation any favors but eh, that’s how bad things are.
I enjoyed it more than Prime, but that's just my personal opinion. Jeff Bennet voices every other character, animation can be a bit wonky (but overall its pretty charming), there's a strange amount of human villains that look more at home in Ben 10 than Transformers (that isn't to say they're awful, some are just weird, and Wyatt did designs for both shows), and while the show does have a great ending there was a 4th season planned but it got cut. I'd say give it a shot, I enjoyed it a ton on re-watch and there's a lot to like about it.
At the very least, we've gone back to the classic Bumblebee head
I enjoyed it more than Prime, but that's just my personal opinion. Jeff Bennet voices every other character, animation can be a bit wonky (but overall its pretty charming), there's a strange amount of human villains that look more at home in Ben 10 than Transformers (that isn't to say they're awful, some are just weird, and Wyatt did designs for both shows), and while the show does have a great ending there was a 4th season planned but it got cut. I'd say give it a shot, I enjoyed it a ton on re-watch and there's a lot to like about it.
Yeah the showrunner for that series had this really stupid idea of focusing on the Autobots fighting human villains and being more superhero like. He actually didn't like focusing on the Decepticons so much. It's so bizarre given that show has one of the most interesting Cybertronian societies on screen. It makes me wonder how much we missed due to his weird choices to pad much of early season 1 with those bizarre and pointless human characters. For gods sake, how do you make such an interesting Blackaracnia story and just forget about it?
If this was made by anyone else but Dobson I would think the joke was that the Geewun fans are just as delusional as the prime fans.
Like:
Optimus is cool because he plays basket ball.
Bumblebee has pink seats in his alt mode.
Starscream sounds like a whiny b***h.
Carly is a nothing of character who uses black slang.
Those positives are so weak as to why the originals were better. You'd think it was parody. But since it was Dobson who did it...well it's obvious he thinks those justifications are valid.
Modern Transformers is missing fresh inventive designs and fun gimmicks like powerlinking.
And ever since the 2007 bay movies they've been limiting their starting casts to those 5 or bots that are similar to them in design.
Also the hype as frick anime style action is gone.
It is funny how Prime's starting cast was basically "RotF: The Animated Series" with just slight tweaks, but with Bulkhead recycled from Animated because Ironhide dies in the next movie, but spreads out. You could probably say the same about RiD15 to AoE, but they also had some original characters in the starting group and it followed trends from Generations as well. Cyberverse has a much bigger cast pulling from different sources, but it also is the worst offender in just recycling designs to the point until the halfway point of season 3 you only have 1.5 that could reasonably be called new (and then Hammerbyte, Meteorfire, and Wildwheel only have a notable role in one episode, being MIA or group filler after that point).
It is funny how Prime's starting cast was basically "RotF: The Animated Series" with just slight tweaks, but with Bulkhead recycled from Animated because Ironhide dies in the next movie, but spreads out. You could probably say the same about RiD15 to AoE, but they also had some original characters in the starting group and it followed trends from Generations as well. Cyberverse has a much bigger cast pulling from different sources, but it also is the worst offender in just recycling designs to the point until the halfway point of season 3 you only have 1.5 that could reasonably be called new (and then Hammerbyte, Meteorfire, and Wildwheel only have a notable role in one episode, being MIA or group filler after that point).
I think it's interesting how the bayformers ended up boosting G1's influence on the brand in the long run.
Like, we could still have Hot Shot and Red Alert as the resident kid and medic characters instead of Bumblebee and Ratchet if not for the movies.
That's true, though I don't think it matters that much given how different the various iterations can be. Hot Shot has more in common with G1 Bumblebee than Prime or RiD '15 Bumblebee does.
Depends on the situation. Skilled at writing and characterization, but it has been established that waifushit sells more than being a monogender society.
Has there been an actual good Transformers series since Prime ended? Seems like they're all kiddy crap like RID15 or Cyberverse or Botbots. People crap on the Netflix trilogy but at least Siege had cool designs and a nice toyline.
Explain how Cyberverse is more kiddy than Prime. >at least Siege had cool designs and a nice toyline.
That's not how it works, the toyline had an animated series, not the other way around brah
In case you didn't get the memo, Transformers is primarily a toy franchise aimed at kids. If you want mature Transformers for mature people such as yourself then stick to the comics and whatever garbage Machinima or Rooster Teeth is shitting out.
Prime was aimed at kids, or else it wouldn't have had kid companions.
Jake was the oldest at 16. The difference is it just took it's audience more seriously.
to this???
You know Sari was a Paj, right?
what does that have to do with the goblinoids in earthspark?
The one on the left looks like one of the cliche grey aliens. It looks less human than the literal aliens he's standing next to.
The style looks horrible to start with, so even if we were to discuss the racial stuff it's already shit beforehand.
Those kids look like they're from two different cartoons. The left one looks like something from a very caricatured ad while the boy actually looks normal.
I somehow didn't see the boy until you mentioned him.
Or did he actually not exist, and you mentioning him retroactively brought him into existence? Quick, mention other weird uncanny valley characters!
Both of this. But I have another problem which is the presence of endless OCs and absence of bots we know save for three that will most likely just function as their "parents" and Bee as the big brother. It reeks of generic show that starts with a whole new cast of "kid" transformers because that's what they believe kids would be into when most of them would actually prefer cool adult warrior bots like everybody else.
I am not in for this if half of the show is literal babysitting and if the plot can be summarized with "mcguffin causing stuff on earth" again.
>I am not in for this if half of the show is literal babysitting and if the plot can be summarized with "mcguffin causing stuff on earth" again.
anon this is a toy comerical show on nickoledeon. What are you expecting out of the plot. Just look at all the TMNT shows made for Nick and there's your answer.
Executives don't want Transformer shows for teenagers that don't collect toys. They re pitching it to babies and children.
moron go check out /m/ or /toy/. There's millions of man children (with a much greater income than an 8 year old) buying these toys
Not that guy, but almost nobody collects the show toys, old fricks only buy CHUG. You can hardly discuss show toys on /toy/ at all because nobody gives a shit
Tbf Cyberverse toys were bad. Like insultingly bad. A healthy franchise caters to both demos. Hence why John Warden was a homosexual.
And most of them move to 3P(i.e., not lining Hasbro's pocket). Besides that, kids are just a bigger market . Pretty much every boy will get one transformers toy one, but only a fraction of those kids will grow up to keep buying toys. Hasbro's been better at targeting collectors, but its firmly as a nostalgia thing, not for current lines. When RiD 14 was coming about, they basically said the toys weren't going to be as good as the Generations stuff, because the idea was that kids who grew up with it would get homage toylines 10-20 years down the road.
>every kid will get at least 1 transformer toy
Yes and man children will buy at least 10 and even buy the "premium highgrade" or what ever the frick line for 200$ more
I don't even mind black characters but what the hell are those designs
Those are some ugly human characters.
Objectively speaking, the new designs do seem better rendered(and that Prime pic was probably touched up.)
The designs are just bad though, and I say that as someone who didn't care for Prime's Bayverse Animated mashup style. Humans are just uncanny and the Transformers look really generic.
In that pic the TFP bots seems to be painted instead of CGI rendered.
At the very least, we've gone back to the classic Bumblebee head
It’s a thing ever since Hasbro wanted to go with “Evergreen” designs.
Cyberverse did that already. This one has nothing notable going on for design.
but not beetle car :/
Having liscenced vehicle modes is too costly for a TV show.
>BotCon 2022
When did that get revived? Just scoped out the convention exclusive boxset and wtf is this shit?
No Hasbro, so they have to go with different robot toylines like BeastBOX.
is transformable robot toys that niche that no other company has decent molds to make a contract with and get licensing with???
Yes. Plus you still can't call them Autobot/Decepticon.
>Plus you still can't call them Autobot/Decepticon.
Could they not get away with using the latin america faction naming when the G1 toyline was released over there unofficially?
Beastbox is great though. Most companies making exclusives plan around TFcon these days. Maybe if this con does well there's be Botcon exclusives from companies like MMC again
Kind of a waste to get the Rise of the TMNT people and not do a similar art style and animation.
Wait, it's the Rise of TMNT people? It makes no sense for it to be CGI instead of 2D like Rise and Monkie King.
From where do you get the idea that all Rise staff can do is Rise art style when most of them already worked on various 3d shows, including many that worked on the TMNT 2012 3D show?
I like the girl's "How to draw Manga" sugoi anime eyes
Give it a chance anon, this is the same reaction people had to beast wars and Animated, and those turned out great and beloved by the fanbase.
It has the same showrunner as Rescue Bots and designs by Nick Roche. I’m just like “we’ve been here before, watch the damn show first”.
The Machinima/Rooster Teeth shows are aberrations unleashed on this Earth by an angry God, though.
Resque bots from what I remember was pretty good so I have some hope, plus unlike RID 2015 its not going to be a sequel to anything so theres that.
I keep hearing this criticism about RID15 being a bad sequel, yet I don’t see it, TFP barely worked as a show, RID15 didn’t really do anything bad and the fact that Megatron stayed exiled showed that there was respect to the show that came before since they made that exile mean something.
Not really, RID was a bad sequel that retcon shit from Prime and the books, also doesint help that the show had a complete tone shift that was nothing like Prime. dont forget the deception's designs made no fricking sense and were a lot of times pure garbage, the show was mostly hated cause it was a bad sequel to a show that many people loved.
See this guy is the average tfp fan angry about RID for no real reason.
is like Gundam ZZ. Prime is the serious, lore heavy one, RiD is a more breezy, lighthearted series, but does build up to serious moments organically. Prime wraps up its central conflict enough that RiD trying to undo it would have made it worse.
And this is an intellectual. People should be thankful that RID15 functions as an epilogue of sorts that doesn’t really mess up what was done in the prior series.
>See this guy is the average tfp fan angry about RID for no real reason.
Wha I have made my reasons why I dont like the show that much.
>And this is an intellectual. People should be thankful that RID15 functions as an epilogue of sorts that doesn’t really mess up what was done in the prior series.
moron they retconed the whole fallen shit and fricked up on resurrecting Optimus
> moron they retconed the whole fallen shit and fricked up on resurrecting Optimus
Holy shit hilarious. Look, historically most crap involving the 13 is shit so they didn’t even try. Megatronus was there so they wouldn’t have to use Megatron as Hasbro wanted.
>remove the melodramatic Megatronus origin created for the Aligned continuity and instead just return him to being straight up evil
seems fine to me
>the whole fallen shit
But Fallen wasn't in Prime.
He was in the expanded media Ie, The Covenant of Primus which gave him detailed backstory different from the dreamwave comics. but instead RID made him a boring one note villain.
>Isn't constantly on fire
>Optimus Prime doesn't take his face
What was the point?
Eh, Prime mostly didn't care for expanded media so I don't see why RiD had to either.
Alligined continuity was fricked from day 0. No wonder they stopped using binders.
Prime mostly respected the books as the books were went to be Prequels for the show unlike the games. my main problem with the fallen in RID was that he was boring and ROTF Fallen was more entertaining.
Its a bit of a connection not many people might get, but at least one other anon agreed with me;Prime is like Zeta Gundam, RID14 is like Gundam ZZ. Prime is the serious, lore heavy one, RiD is a more breezy, lighthearted series, but does build up to serious moments organically. Prime wraps up its central conflict enough that RiD trying to undo it would have made it worse.
I mean the only thing RID15 undid from Prime was Optimus's sacrifice at the end of Predacons Rising with instead him being teleported to the Realm of the Primes instead but I wouldn't really call that a serious retcon as all it does is let Optimus Prime come back
Yeah that’s a very dumb complaint since Optimus would return in any other sequel show they made. It’s unthinkable that they wouldn’t revive Optimus.
Optimus sacrifice in prime had meaning, he gave up his life to bring cybertron back and start a new era of peace and it was up to team Prime to help lead Cybertron without a Prime. But in RID they undid that brought him back to fight the Fallen who in Universe makes no sense, Prime should have stayed dead cause his death had meaning again.
Optimus Prime dying so he can come back later is a meme. Like maybe you could claim the 86 movie death is important, but that one gets undone as the end of the series. Meanwhile his first death in the comic is killing himself because he violated his principles on accident in a battle simulation, and then again so he can get NEW TOY, setting up a pattern going forward. In particular that is why Animated frontloaded it to the pilot.
That is mentally moronic. His sacrifice, like everything in Prime, was a last minute asspull to write off a solution to a problem the writers introduced themselves. That doesn't even make fricking sense since Unicron literally says he can feel the Allspark and should've been able to tell the energy was coming from Optimus and not from the little box.
Maybe it was just a general feeling?
That still would make no sense since the Allspark was flat out glowing inside of the box before it was taken out of it, so for the plot to work, Unicron needs to somehow have forgotten he can feel where the allspark is AND be blind at the exact same time.
This isn't even the first or the worst time the show went full moronic to solve it's melodrama too. Season 3 literally begins with an insane logical leap that contracts what happened on-screen. Ratchet was the last person to leave the base after Smokescreen had come and went and the bridge portal had already closed on him, and the episode's very "PREVIOUSLY ON TRANSFORMERS PRIME" montage shows it. But then the writers act like Smokescreen was the last one to leave the base just so he could come back and save Optimus, mysteriously intact despite the base blowing up as soon as he came back.
why the Machinima show is so hated? I never watched it
It lacks a coherent plot, characters and plot developments are infuriating. For some strange reason their Megatron is based but that’s about all its pros.
If they really have Nick Roche designing the characters and not just putting a popular person on the team in a "supervising" role to make it sound legitimate, then the GC team must be awful.
Wait, are the kids turning into transformers or do they just have a kind of pair bond thing going with those minicons?
So now instead of white people everywhere, now it's black people everywhere. How is that diversity? It's just another extreme
Seems to be the Nickolodeon way
I watch Pluto TV a lot and all the live action nick shows are stuff like "That Girl Lay Lay", "Young Dylan", and "Side Hustle", all of which sound like parodies of UPN shows from the Proud family and all with black kids.
are those 2 nigglets even from the same series?
its like 2 different art styles.
ugly nog creatures
why is her head so big
Ugliness aside, why even have primary human characters... they always seem unnecessarily inserted, i don't care about them and just want robot drama/violence.... tey're super advanced robot they don't need (really really ugly) humans help
Humans sell the premise. They're alien robots disguised as Earth vehicles. A lot of the human stuff in Transformers can get pretty bad, but when done well there's a lot you can get out of it, and having a human or two as a main character helps connect it all.
That’s what makes Beast Wars so great. No human subplot filler and only focusing on the robots. Only episode that sucked were the ones that featured the anthropoid kids.
That’s probably why they will never reboot BW cause they can’t shill any human characters there.
Cyberverse had only one living human appear and it was a split second appearance in the back of a car passing by in the first season.
Beast Wars could get away with it because animals can be anthropomorphized, and the robots themselves were smaller in scale. Witht he G1/Classic style giant vehicle robots, you need points of relation withtheir alt-mode and size to really sell them.
This is why in so many of the comics, they end up never transforming or its a few panels. without humans, the vehicle alt-modes become nothing more than transport every few issues.
oh shit, they're back again
nogbots
It's like those Scott pilgrim "AAA MY FACE" edits but that's the actual character design
I heard Elita-1 was in this, is she in the picture? I only recognize Optimus, Bumblebee, and... I think that's a Junkion?
Here's your Elita-1, anon.
Honestly, I will watch this show just for Elita.
Okay, they didn't frick up her design. Good.
That's a nice looking Elita-1, hopefully she isn't written as poorly as she usually is.
Oh, is Elita Black in this one?
They haven't announced her voice actress yet, but Bumblebee is Indian though.
Too bad I hate Elita in every series she was in and Optimus looks really dumb here. I cannot fathom how they didn't care to give the most iconic character of this franchise a proper look.
So, who's the Micronauts-looking one?
Wheelie more than likely.
This looks like it was designed by a racist forced to add in black characters
The era of the Black folk is here . Black folk are everywhere.
the articles talking about why this failed due to racist audiences have already been written.
Yeah well with all the freaking out in this thread alone I can believe it.
Sometimes I wonder how anons would react to Optimus Prime or even just Peter Cullen seeing how racist they are. They would disappoint Optimus Prime.
>Optimus just shakes his head at the anons in this thread.
>Wheeljack, Ironhide, Ratchet and Prowl all silently agree with the anons.
>Jazz is pissed at how they act and what they say, casually smashes up a scrapyard.
>Dinobots sit around eating the cybertron-equivalent of glue.
Cinemaphile is a well known Decepticon sympathizer board. Soundwave fangirls and Sentinal fanboys have the run of it.
>Decepticons stand in direct opposition of your freedom and safety! Stop supporting them!
>But they are cooler
>Why can't we turn into cool stuff like jets?
>Are the aerialbots not enough?
>I wonder how anons would react to Optimus Prime or even just Peter Cullen seeing how they don't like another human character.
don't post this fake frick paraplegic fricker
Just because it looks that way in the animation doesn't mean it is actually that. Like how Optimus Prime cannot summon an identical looking stand.
those are animation errors but that was intentional
They didn’t write articles about Rise of the TMNT.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEIR FRICKING FACES!? It is like they are trying to avoid having lewds made of their characters by making them the least appealing creatures imaginable.
She was also the best Transformers sidekick. The issue is that these little niglets look like monsters. If they had more of a Wolf from Kipo look or something they would be just fine.
That's clearly aimed to the american, brit and french audience.
Trying to build extra fans and shit
Weird. Usually things are designed to appeal to Chinese audiences.
Not to say the new show doesn't look awful, I mean look at it
But after rewatching it Prime's human designs were pretty shit too, and frankly none of the human stuff really contributed anything
Black boy in the back there looks like one of the old minstrel figures my gran has. One of those shrivelled up fruit ones with the big frick-off sunglasses.
The California raisins? That’s way past the minstrel era.
If the aesthetic is the issue, that means we've learned nothing from the Beast era, Animated, Rescue Bots, or even the Bayformers.
It does look a bit generic but I think people are more worried about it being a human-centric show
>more worried about it being a human-centric show
But isnt this a young kids show like Rescue Bots?
Idk
TFP was already childish am I really the only one that feels like this? Unless it got dark later. Maybe, I gave up after episode 6.
That said I have no hope for the new series. Bee looks good at least and has a nose and I kinda like that one Roche character, but literally everything else sounds bad and looks bad imo.
I THINK it turned into a 'chase the macguffin' show in season 2.
It had some nice designs, but the writing was bad.
>TFP was already childish
Bro Clifjumper got fricking murdered, turned into a Zombie and cleaved in two, Idk why you think it wasint dark.
The show rarely gets any more graphic than the miniseries. It gets inmediately kiddified thanks to Miko.
Bro its a kid show, of course not every episode is going grimdark with characters dying.
>bro it was dark
>bro actually its a kids show it can't be dark
bro make up your mind bro
Listen to what I said
>not every episode is going grimdark
Prime has its dark episodes and its more light hearted episodes, Prime was made to be enjoyed by all ages but it was still a kid show with restrictions. Kinda like beast wars with its mixture of dark and light hearted episodes even more then prime did.
What "light hearted episodes"?
Granted it's been awhile since I've watched Prime but I can't think of a single episode that could qualify.
From what I remember since it was also been a while since I watched prime, from season 1 I remember con job, metal attraction and T.M.I being the light hearted ones of season 1.
God damn it, when will they learn the humans are the least interesting part of Transformers unless it's a G.I. Joe crossover.
Animated's humans were fun.
They even had humans villains that weren't annoying to watch
>God damn it, when will they learn the humans are the least interesting part of Transformers
Ah but you see this iteration HAD to have humans, because we had to shove in your face BLACK representation thanks to the legacy of Saint George Floyd. They weren't going to get the woke-points if they just had "black-coded" Transformers.
n-word !
Transformers can't survive on its indoctrinated fandom alone, it needs the casual audience, meaning kiddies, to buy all those Bumblebee and Evergreen figures nobody wants.
okay but why does the 3d from 10 years ago look better then the newest show?
Transformers Prime was a really expensive show, too expensive actually....so ever since it they don't go balls out on the CGI
TFP homosexuals keep getting upset at RID15 but the fact is that show was far more cost effective while still having more robot variety and even more humans, who were even less of a focus (and were useful far more often than not).
>humans, who were even less of a focus (and were useful far more often than not).
I hated how the dad would just put on a different hat and pretend to be some ranger or officer and everyone would believe him
Pre-9/11 that happened all the time. Maybe 9/11 didn’t happen in the Aligned continuity.
It's still just a really dumb. Agent Fowler from Prime at least had high level government clearance as an excuse to have areas evacuated. In RID the guy just puts on a police hat while wearing a Hawaiian shirt and tells everyone he's a cop and they better leave and not call the police cause he's a cop and he already called it in
I think Bee actually does ask Fowler for clearance offscreen one episode so the connection is still there. I guess everyone just finds Denny doing his thing more amusing.
Because the creators of tf prime put every dollar on the cgi but it wasn't rental so
New and poor cgi=less lost
I know a lot of anon on here shit on the Netflix trilogy's stiff movement and dark coloring. But lets not forget about Machinima's train wreck of a trilogy
The saving grace is that because it was limited to restricted format, less people watched it.
I will NEVER forgive them for what they did to my boys
Please, IDW shat on them the worst, at least Earthrise had them be heroes that helped the save the day rather then minions of unicron that committed genocide against their own kind.
Two things being shitty doesn't make the other shitty thing okay.
>posts the show where the best human is a black guy
>show basically kills off or writes out all of the expensive star voice actors
>keeps Ernie Hudson all the way through
Can’t really say they made the wrong choice.
>Hudson
>Expensive
my man you can set up a convention in your backyard and he'll start walking there with his ratty old ghostbusters uniform and a table and set up shop.
The last Transformers show I enjoyed was Animated, and I'm not even sure if Animated was all that good since I haven't seen it in over a decade.
The glaring issues in the plot become more obvious. But do try to watch the first two seasons in 4:3, it’s more charming that way.
I believe it. Transformers shows really don't have a great track record. Better than something like MOTU, but not great.
Eh, If I’m 100% honest, Prime and the shows after it (barring Prime Wars and War For Cybertron which are outright trash) are better shows than most Western animation from their era.
Which does not do current Western animation any favors but eh, that’s how bad things are.
It has the BEST Megatron
He ties with Prime Megatron and BW Megatron is better.
The best Megatron isint even a real Megatron
You leave Galavar alone.
You mean Gnashteeth?
>Not All Megatrons
Man, Beast Wars Uprising is almost complete shit outside of Transmutate and a few other things.
I thought it was good but it has been a while since I read it.
i'm curious, i've never read it. what makes it so shit?
Well, if you look at the titles of the chapters, they all have SJW terms on them.
"Megatron" is a state of mind.
I enjoyed it more than Prime, but that's just my personal opinion. Jeff Bennet voices every other character, animation can be a bit wonky (but overall its pretty charming), there's a strange amount of human villains that look more at home in Ben 10 than Transformers (that isn't to say they're awful, some are just weird, and Wyatt did designs for both shows), and while the show does have a great ending there was a 4th season planned but it got cut. I'd say give it a shot, I enjoyed it a ton on re-watch and there's a lot to like about it.
>Jeff Bennett voices every other character
Aside from using the same voice for Fanzone and Mixmaster, he did okay
Yeah the showrunner for that series had this really stupid idea of focusing on the Autobots fighting human villains and being more superhero like. He actually didn't like focusing on the Decepticons so much. It's so bizarre given that show has one of the most interesting Cybertronian societies on screen. It makes me wonder how much we missed due to his weird choices to pad much of early season 1 with those bizarre and pointless human characters. For gods sake, how do you make such an interesting Blackaracnia story and just forget about it?
Tbf this motherfricker was co-showrunner in Beast Machines.
Beast. Machines.
Aka: the closest we’ve been to the whole franchise going down in flames.
If this was made by anyone else but Dobson I would think the joke was that the Geewun fans are just as delusional as the prime fans.
Like:
Optimus is cool because he plays basket ball.
Bumblebee has pink seats in his alt mode.
Starscream sounds like a whiny b***h.
Carly is a nothing of character who uses black slang.
Those positives are so weak as to why the originals were better. You'd think it was parody. But since it was Dobson who did it...well it's obvious he thinks those justifications are valid.
> giant signature that says Silas Zee
> must be Dobson!
Rent free
I miss the Brave series aesthetic, even if it was plagued with QUALITY.
>obvious samegayging going with the main characters
Come the frick on, I know they look uncanny but no need to act so underage about it
Frick Optimus and frick autobots.
You robotsexuals disgust me.
Modern Transformers is missing fresh inventive designs and fun gimmicks like powerlinking.
And ever since the 2007 bay movies they've been limiting their starting casts to those 5 or bots that are similar to them in design.
Also the hype as frick anime style action is gone.
It is funny how Prime's starting cast was basically "RotF: The Animated Series" with just slight tweaks, but with Bulkhead recycled from Animated because Ironhide dies in the next movie, but spreads out. You could probably say the same about RiD15 to AoE, but they also had some original characters in the starting group and it followed trends from Generations as well. Cyberverse has a much bigger cast pulling from different sources, but it also is the worst offender in just recycling designs to the point until the halfway point of season 3 you only have 1.5 that could reasonably be called new (and then Hammerbyte, Meteorfire, and Wildwheel only have a notable role in one episode, being MIA or group filler after that point).
I think it's interesting how the bayformers ended up boosting G1's influence on the brand in the long run.
Like, we could still have Hot Shot and Red Alert as the resident kid and medic characters instead of Bumblebee and Ratchet if not for the movies.
That's true, though I don't think it matters that much given how different the various iterations can be. Hot Shot has more in common with G1 Bumblebee than Prime or RiD '15 Bumblebee does.
Armada Hot Shot always gave me G1 Hotshot vibes moreso than G1 Bumblebee. I'd even say that Armada Hot Shot was G1 Hotshot with Season 1 BW Cheetor.
We were robbed. Repeatedly.
Simon Furman was right
Depends on the situation. Skilled at writing and characterization, but it has been established that waifushit sells more than being a monogender society.
Has there been an actual good Transformers series since Prime ended? Seems like they're all kiddy crap like RID15 or Cyberverse or Botbots. People crap on the Netflix trilogy but at least Siege had cool designs and a nice toyline.
Explain how Cyberverse is more kiddy than Prime.
>at least Siege had cool designs and a nice toyline.
That's not how it works, the toyline had an animated series, not the other way around brah
I've never watched it but it just looks kiddier and the toys suck.
>he doesn't know about the high kill count in the series
In case you didn't get the memo, Transformers is primarily a toy franchise aimed at kids. If you want mature Transformers for mature people such as yourself then stick to the comics and whatever garbage Machinima or Rooster Teeth is shitting out.
Prime was aimed at kids, or else it wouldn't have had kid companions.
Jake was the oldest at 16. The difference is it just took it's audience more seriously.