At this point no. The opportunity to, somewhat, recover it was with the early popularity The Mandalorian enjoyed however, they squandered that. There has also been no mass revaluation of the Sequels - due to both them being that bad and a lack of supportive popular games/cartoons/novels/comics. Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy or some trilogy far past the Sequels however, 1) there is no reason to believe it would be good, 2) that there would be actual interest, and 3) it seems difficult considering how fractured people are about Star Wars at this point.
>Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy or some trilogy far past the Sequels
They would never do that because that would be appealing to the old white straight male demographic, which is toxic and the enemy.
>Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy
You mean the prequels. The Republic in the prequels IS the Old Republic. EU writers ignored that fact and did their own thing, unnecessarily muddling up the lore.
If you want to split hairs, at least do it right. The OLD republic is considered to be the Republic from 25000 to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin.
>The OLD republic is considered to be the Republic from 25000 to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin.
Again, that's the EU. The Republic in the prequels was intended to be the actual Old Republic. Before it, was 1000 years of a Sith-ruled galaxy. The Sith having been formed 2000 years before the movies, by a rogue Jedi Knight and his followers.
The EU existed before the prequels, my very young Padawan.
Lucas did not allow stories to be set before ANH before TPM was released, but once in production he allowed it and let the EU be fleshed out in that temporal direction.
Unless you can specifically show me a citation where he mentioned that they were separate canons even back then, I will have to call BS. Lucas specifically forbade “prequel” stories, because he wanted to keep continuity straight. So him producing the prequels and suddenly throwing caution to the wind in that regard does not make too much sense.
It makes fine enough sense. Licensed material being disbarred from doing certain shit is standard. The material needed to sell, and they wouldn't if fans didn't think it mattered. That ban was there to keep everything consistent for the fans who'd buy it. Lucas wasn't beholden to the EU, the EU was beholden to him and him only.
I was talking to my litte brother who's 9. He was telling me that the other kids don't even know what star wars is. I've tried having him watch the OT but he legit doesn't care.
Don't be sad it's over - be happy it happened. Also maybe remaster the original cuts and do a re-release, it's the one thing the fans want and would probably put Disney back in their good graces
>Don't be sad it's over - be happy it happened.
It sounds gay as frick but its true. We had some good movies and games that we can still go back to when feeling nostalgic. Don't even pay attention to nu-wars let it die and move onto something less pozzed.
I consider myself lucky that I was a kid/teen at the sweet spot when Star Wars was getting fleshed out in the 90s and 00s. A lot of great expanded universe stuff that lived up to the potential of the SW setting. It felt like SW rather than all the sad hollow interpretations Disney puts out.
Yeah, the IP going down the tubes is a huge opportunity cost because there was so much you could do in that universe but at the same time, a lot of people already did a lot with it. Between the six Lucas films, the comics, the novels, the games and everything else Star Wars has a about as much content available as any franchise ever created. Even if you ignore the Disneyshit entirely there's more than enough already existing content And if it's not enough, hell, just move along to a related adjacent IP. I moved on to the Aliens franchise after my childhood obsession with Star Wars and that's its own rabbit hole. There's always something else to get into.
I kinda feel the same about capeshit now, too. If they're going to bastardize or kill off all the OG characters I like, well I I still have everything from the 60's through the 90's and that's a lot. I have 50+ years of Peter Parker comics, I don't need to put up with this Miles Morales bullshit
Well it was done "happening" in 1983. And thats now over 40 years.
I wanted some quality entertainment.
Not even nostalgia. I dont like nostalgia. And I hate any product or service that offers it. I just wanted something fun to watch.
Disney wanted money.
Its not bullshit. they care about money, they just got stupid. A shitload of "analysts" told them that perusing the woke agenda and pandering to extreme political groups would get the more money. For some reason they never questioned these claims and made a bunch of shit movies and actually for a while did make profit. Now they are losing money and too entrenched in their current path to deviate.
they need better leadership. Kathleen has proven she cant make good decisions.
Including gays in your movies is fine.
Telling potential customers that all straight white males are evil is just a losing game plan. Most of them ARE straight white males.
I consider myself lucky that I was a kid/teen at the sweet spot when Star Wars was getting fleshed out in the 90s and 00s. A lot of great expanded universe stuff that lived up to the potential of the SW setting. It felt like SW rather than all the sad hollow interpretations Disney puts out.
The revan series could save it. But, it would have to be given to someone not at disney. Its clear disney has been forcing interracial and lgbt propaganda.
>The revan series
The single most reddit, overrated character in all of Star Wars. Literally videogame self-insert power fantasy, who is either a goody two shoes nun, or edgelord worse than Hitler, who kills puppies for fun. And if you do make him an actual character, character with weaknesses, character who isn't all powerful mary sue that is wanked 24/7 by everyone on the screen, Cinemaphileermin manchildren will just b***h and moan.
Yeah, but she is rightfully hated by the majority of the people. So she's not overrated. She's rated accordingly. Whereas Revan is wanked, because he is a videogame character, and people feel investment and ownership over him and his story. He is literally you, and you like it when you are a power fantasy all powerful mary sue of galactic importance. More so, most videogame fans are moronic children or manchildren, making them doubly insufferable.
>The revan series
The single most reddit, overrated character in all of Star Wars. Literally videogame self-insert power fantasy, who is either a goody two shoes nun, or edgelord worse than Hitler, who kills puppies for fun. And if you do make him an actual character, character with weaknesses, character who isn't all powerful mary sue that is wanked 24/7 by everyone on the screen, Cinemaphileermin manchildren will just b***h and moan.
Gay mary sue self insert from an overrated videogame. Tales of the Jedi was better than KOTOR ever was, which was "The Force Awakens" of its time, which took cool and interesting and new aesthetics and opted out for creatively bankrupt rip offs to score familiarity and nostalgia points. KOTOR babies are low IQ manchildren.
I love Revan more than any other Star Wars character and the best thing they could do is never touch him or the KotOR era ever again. They even started ruining him with that god-awful Drew Karpyshyn book.
There is no fixing since Lucas retired, and that hack Filoni is surely no replacement. Even if you resetted the status quo to pre-Clone Wars CGI cartoon state, there is no one with talent left to do anything good with it, although I'm sure whatever they could come up with would be better than the purposely bad Yidsney goyslop.
the first star wars movies were mid at best. everything that came afterwards is shit. what is there to fix? it was never good in the first place. darth vader and lightsabers are cool, thats all.
Stop making any star wars content for 20 years, then make a movie set far enough into the future that there's no possible way for it to be tied to the previous trilogies. You can have the jedi and the sith evolve over time, explore new philosophies, etc
Real fans have gone through all stages of grief, settled on complete apathy for a while, and are now just enjoying the schadenfreude, watching it all crash and burn. Georgie's backstabbing was the icing on the cake. Star Wars is dead. There's no going back.
Pretend anything that came out after 2005 never happened and just start making some movies based on the EU books. There are literally thousands of them to pick from and a lot of them are great stories that doesn’t have to involve any characters from the OT or PT.
Unironically this. Say what you will about the Sequels but they left the Galaxy as pretty much a blank slate. Every major power has been reduced by a century of constant warfare setting the stage for smaller independent alliances. No Republic, no Empire.
The people in hollywood are not more likely to make a good new franchise because they lack all forms of creative talent. They are physically unable to make good movies now.
One of the big problems of nu-Wars is that no one involved in it wants to make anything original because they're too afraid of losing the thin thread that keeps the new content united to the Star Wars series, and for good reason since below the superficial none of the new movies and shows feel like they belong to the same saga as the OT or PT.
Until Episode 9 Disney was full in OT wankery mode so everything was a facsimile of things from the OT or a "bigger and better" version (Starkiller base). When that well ran dry they started doing the same thing with the Clone Wars era.
Star Wars is a perfect Shonen anime template anyway, it belongs to that medium more. Or at least with their lax copyright, I hope some Jap comes up with a totally-not-Star Wars IP so Star Wars fans flock to that. I used to love Star Wars so much, I fricking loved it. I checked out opening night of TFA and never bothered to watch a single second of anything that came after. The prequels were great and we caused this by being spoiled fricks.
>Or at least with their lax copyright, I hope some Jap comes up with a totally-not-Star Wars IP so Star Wars fans flock to that.
Gundam has existed since 1979.
the Japanese already did it. it was called Lensman. unfortunately it takes a licensed IP, and from what i hear the rights holders won't license it anymore.
>The prequels were great and we caused this by being spoiled fricks.
Fricking have a nice day. You had the perfect post until you got to that point. Or rather, even if what you said outside of my quote is true, your entire post is underminded/undermined by the last sentence.
Cope b***h, people like you are the reason why Lucas sold the franchise to Disney and are directly responsible for nu wars, I remember you morons flinging shit and celebrating when TFA came out as if that committee driven re-write of ANH was some sort of victory
Star Wars is a perfect Shonen anime template anyway, it belongs to that medium more. Or at least with their lax copyright, I hope some Jap comes up with a totally-not-Star Wars IP so Star Wars fans flock to that. I used to love Star Wars so much, I fricking loved it. I checked out opening night of TFA and never bothered to watch a single second of anything that came after. The prequels were great and we caused this by being spoiled fricks.
How high would their power levels increase under anime rule?
>How do they fix it?
Retcon the sequel trilogy and give Luke an ending that fans actually want to see. >Or is it doomed forever?
Since disney are incapable of admitting they made a mistake, yes.
>Retcon the sequel trilogy and give Luke an ending that fans actually want to see.
Like letting him actually score for once. New Canon gave him ZERO b***hes.
The same type of people who ran Star Wars into the ground have been doing the same thing to Star Trek for the past few years. They both need to be put out of their misery.
>Fire Kennedy or tell her to shut up >Clear the slate for at least 3 years (can every film, shows have one year to finish and release) >Commit to full transparency of the brand >Find a decent director and writer >Put out a TOR film in 4-5 years
Haha as if.
You grew up with Star Wars. That's all it takes to be obsessed for life.
The moment they churn out something good ya'll will flock to it and just forget that the bad things existed. It's a very human behavior.
Fortunately for you, the israelites, feminists and talentless hacks would rather die and take the entire industry with them before they ever give up their golden goose so you won't have to make that choice.
>golden goose
they're still in the hole 10 years later on their purchase and it's unbelievable they've had films associated like Solo actually bomb at the box office. no one gives a shit about star wars anymore.
What is there? You move on. You find another series or even write one yourself. This series is clearly dead. What realistic option is there in reviving it? Why bother being hung up on something that doesn't resemble what you once loved and never will again? Take the memories and passion you once had for it and invest them somewhere else.
I stand firm in the belief that the prequels created a much more interesting world for Star Wars than the OT ever did.
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The Prequels did do much more extensive world building so makes sense. Didn't have as compelling an adventure or characters though. Everything Disney has done has shrunk or regressed that world though or just sucked the life out of it.
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>Didn't have as compelling an adventure or characters though
I disagree. I for one find Anakin much more interesting than Luke.
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Each to their own, I guess. I find Luke a much more compelling character and I'm much more invested in his journey.
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Luke's pretty lame compared to his dad. He doesn't have that leading man look to him that Hayden had. His personality's pretty lame too.
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The Prequels themselves shrunk the world by making the character relationships unfathomably moronic for the sake of cheap pandering and audience familiarity. But yes, the characters are mostly pigswill too.
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>The Prequels themselves shrunk the world by making the character relationships unfathomably moronic for the sake of cheap pandering and audience familiarity
And yet OT purists throw a fit because they didn't get the OT rehash they wanted.
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The prequels aren't a rehash. They are nevertheless filled with nonsensical connections and lazy writing, though.
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>They are nevertheless filled with nonsensical connections and lazy writing
Such as?
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Are you going to pretend Chewbacca knowing Yoda isn't lazy, nonsensical pandering?
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He never meets him in the OT so it's fine.
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Kek.
Can't imagine getting my panties in a twist over that.
It's just an example. I was asked to provide one, so I did. You can go back to your routine endless wienersucking now.
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Can't imagine getting my panties in a twist over that.
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>bro prequels have such a kino """worldbuilding"""!!!!
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It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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Jango's cool. Quit being a gay nerd.
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>the common fashion of humans on Tattooine circa BBY 0 just happens to be the same fashion as the Jedi of the Old Republic on Coruscant, right down to the belt buckles
What a funny coincidence!
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Yoda wore robes on Dagobah and the force ghosts had them too, even Anakin. Clearly, its standard Jedi garb.
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They did. Shit like C-3PO being built by Anakin did nothing but shrink the world in exchange for a wink to the audience. It's a big galaxy. Not everyone and think needs to be connected.
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You can't have Star Wars without R2 and C-3PO.
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Yes, you could've.
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Not according to Lucas.
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He may have went too far in a few places.
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You can. The idea of the droids being the consistent lens through which we see this large story is interesting but it isn't something the movies actually do. They just feel shoehorned in the prequels.
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The EU has always been the main driver for lore in Star Wars. As Plinkett pointed out, a lot of stuff was not explained in the movies, it just existed as a backdrop or background character. The settings, the various Jedi we saw but never knew even the names of, etc. But I do prefer the environs and characters of the prequels, overall.
The real issue with the OT trilogy and prequels is that they are only separated by like 20 years when they operate as if they are centuries apart. Having Vader and Obi Wan be mortal caused this, and Luke / Leia didn't need to be Vader's children. Make the Jedi live super long, and make the OT trilogy about the remnants of Jedi led by Obi Wan / Yoda and the Rebellion led by Leia and whoever vs. Sith a la Vader and Sidious. Having the Jedi / force users in general live super long adds to the mysticism and power of the Force. Instead however we got the slop we got.
Star Wars still gets Cinemaphile threads and people raging about the sequels or TLJ all over online. Most other franchises vanish when they’re dead. I have to imagine that’s some kind of love
They can either do a reset and get rid of everything from the sequels or go back to the old republic. But they're not going to do either because then "the fans would win"
The only thing that lasts forever is a bad reputation. It doesn’t matter what they do because the last 15 years of shitty content will always haunt whoever owns the franchise
In time AI will save the day. You'll be able to replace any actor or dialog with one of your choice. Then your bootleg copy will out sell the hollyweird original.
the sequels being canon is pretty much a dead end route. the only smart thing they can do is either retcon them out or turning them into a dark timeline with some eventually moronic timetravel/multiverse crap. EP 9 is a literal blight on the whole franchise right now.
>either retcon them out or turning them into a dark timeline with some eventually moronic timetravel/multiverse crap
Or just ignore them like every other franchise does. Not everything has to have an autistic explanation for everything.
This is the only option as with everything. Like in the new James Bond they're going to do, yes they killed Bond and the last one was TLJ-levels of awful BUT they should just move on and that's it. This advice is the best for anything in life. Move on and that's it.
>EP 9 is a literal blight on the whole franchise right now
It is utterly amazing that JJ retconned Darth Vader killing the Emperor and no one stopped him.
I rewatched 9 recently for the first time since the theaters and it's utterly insane. And I don't care, I pretty much like all Star Wars series/movies "for what they are," I liked 7 and 8 a lot, but Jesus Christ is 9 just a rabid, unhinged dog. Some things I forgot:
-Palpatine using his super lightning attack and taking out all the rebel (but not his own) fleet
-The MCU "they fly now? They fly now" humor is one thing, but basically any time there's a joke, they do like, a triple joke, like they couldn't decide on which one to use, so they went with all of them. It's not reddit, it's fricking Channel Awesome tier
-How undeveloped the larger plot is. Like, characters will talk about "winning the war," but what's the war? "First order bad," sure, but what are the rebels going to replace them with if they win? There's like, 3 dozen proper rebels under Leia's command, are they going to be the new galactic government?
I understand the logic behind every SW movie, even the ones I don't especially enjoy. 9 is on an unmatched level of gibberish.
I like how the concept for the First Order was "what if the Nazis hiding in Argentina built an atomic bomb" so the whole Resistance thing made sense, in that nobody in the New Republic thought some Imperial remnant cult was a threat to anyone but humored Leia with a couple squadrons out of respect, but then Rian just decided they were the Empire again
but, of course the New Republic would have a huge navy, it's a galaxy full of smugglers and pirates and of course the government would have to police trade lanes
It's done. The bunch of corny pc amateurs that bought the thing have destroyed it. I used to love the OT and Lucas's stuff, now I cringe just thinking about what's become of it.
It's dead, as is any big franchise. Lotr, marvel, harry potter, all the others. Also these franchises limit the creativity of filmmakers since nothing new gets invented just cause viewers like the same old rehashed shit
rey creates a new jedi order,
jump 10 years ahead
rey is a background character, new jedis are the focus and they slowly begin to realise that rey is actually evil and power hungry
that would be a good start; would watch.
more 'rey is lovely because...' shallow adversity, convenient plot devices and style over substance is what we are going to get though
It's domed without a wipe. homosexual Filoni violating internal continuity with every project he touches has poisoned everything that made Star Wars a viable story.
It’s pretty much dead. If I was a Lucasfilm exec though, I would immediately cancel all other projects and develop an Episode 10. I’d find a way to bring the Skywalkers back, probably through Kylo and Rey’s child or something, and wait three years between movies and seven between trilogies. Basically try to turn it back into an event rather than a commodity which in the long run will bring in more dough. Also, Star Wars is nothing without Skywalkers and lightsabers. It’s a family saga. Nobody cares about anything else and making it a huge sandbox.
>take a 5 year hiatus >no movies or tv shows >maybe some animated shorts like Tales of the Jedi to keep people busy >keep making publishing and video games >come back, announce the sequels and all the dogshit D+ shows are being put into some containment canon like how EU was turned to Legends >effectively decanonize Empire 2 and all the other lore ruining garbage but put a positive spin on it >come out with a standalone movie set in the far future >new factions, new characters, no Filoni glup shitto cameos shoehorned in >have a main ship, fun crew, and have them go on adventures. Similar vibe to the Cal Kestis games >if it's good, make it a trilogy
I’ve already gone through all the stages of grief with this franchise, and I’m at peace now just declaring it finished. The story was completed with RotJ, there’s no need for anything more than that.
Early Mandalorian briefly moved the needle, but Boba Fett killed all that momentum, and Kenobi was the final nail in the coffin for me. It couldn’t have been any more obvious what little a shit that they actually give about the franchise’s legacy, and it’s all about feeding the egos of a small handful of people at the top now.
Dude, I watch the Hal9000 edits over the originals, and I fricking despise fanboys and their fandoms. Shit's zealotry and I refuse to subscribe to their nonsense. All I see is a bunch of whiny nerds b***hing that they're not getting their way like children. That they didn't get the movies they wanted ie a rehash of the OT but in the past. It's pathetic.
Doomed forever.
Star Wars sucked as far back as Return of the Jedi. The EU stuff was a wash, some really good stuff, but a lot of terrible stuff.
Prequels were mid, I don't hate them but I don't think they are very good movies either.
Sequels started out OK then TLJ shit the bed so hard I don't think Disney Wars will ever recover.
Its doomed unless they sell it off to somebody else entirely AND that new company has a completely different road map.
And sad as it is, even though you and me and all the sane people think its ruined, the truth is Disney somehow manages to make money off of Star Wars. They wont sell it for a very long time. So most of us will grow old and die before we see it returned to the former glory.
By the way I'm one of those buttholes who thinks the sequels suck donkey balls and no, 10 shitty movies and 5 shitty TV series do NOT redeem them. Thats not redemption. Its something else. "Grass is always greener" or whatever the frick.
A: Disney execs pull their heads out of their asses, purge their creative teams of DEI cultists, and hire some skilled writers that love and understand Star Wars. Probability: less likely than WW3.
B: Investors pull their heads out of their asses, replace execs, new execs follow A. Probability: Shareholders just voted to keep current execs so they have until next shareholders' meeting to unfrick themselves unless WW3 happens first.
C: Star Wars is a timeless story. If beings that can appreciate a good story exist after Disney has lost control of it, cheesy dragon apocalypse, and/or WW3 have ended it will be revived.
I think it's dead. The Sequel Trilogy didn't leave any room for interesting stories to be told. It's just the same Empire/Rebel redux. No new Jedi Order. No continuation of the Skywalker bloodline. No new concepts or factions.
The Prequels might have been shit, but they added a ton of new stuff to Star Wars through which writers have given us great stories. That's just impossible with this new canon.
>The Prequels might have been shit
Fanedits have proven that the story and characters are fine, but needed more time in the editing room. Hal9000's edits are basically the same movies, but polished up. Literally remove the crap, some trims to fix the pacing, add the plot-important deleted scenes in and you have legit good movies.
This is how Hal9000 edited the kiss scene in AotC.
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No dialogue, it's all on the characters' expressions and actions. Just add the dots where they need to be.
Give it to me.
No, seriously.
Give it to me.
Give the whole thing to me.
All of it.
I will fix it.
I will fix the whole damn thing.
I will right the course.
Yes, I am dead serious in my words.
I will return Star Wars to its remarkable glory.
I will ensure there are Star Wars toys flowing out of your kids Christmas stockings again.
I will ensure that there are five video games on the market at all times being hailed and voted as game of the year contenders for over a decade straight.
I will cast young and sexy up and coming stars that will have the quotable dialogue and fantastic jaw dropping moments for a captivating series of movies that will define and launch their careers to the point their great grandchildren will never not be rich.
I will get the greatest minds in cinema to fashion for me a film in such scale and grandeur, it will be studied in film schools for years.
I will write riveting romance that will cater to the women, heroics and bravery and jaw-dropping action to cater to the men, strong, memorable and lovable characters for families of all kinds. Stories about boys and girls in this universe with strange aliens from a thousand different worlds.
I will make films and cartoons of all the Legends stories, the good and the cheesy. All of it will receive cinematic and video game treatments, and toy and product lines accompanying them. New Jedi Order, Dark Empire, all of it.
I will work tirelessly for the rest of my life to deliver Star Wars to its apex; its TRUE potential. I will make it my life's mission to make and deliver Star Wars kino and demand nothing less than the absolute best from those who are creative and passionate about the universe that will work with me to do it.
We've seen what the "experts" did with Star Wars.
So...
Give the whole thing to me.
I used to think like you. I feel like I know Star Wars better than most people. I could probably do it. The problem is Star Wars means something different for everyone. Everyone has their own expectations for Star Wars. Every single piece of new content that comes out divides the already shattered fanbase into even smaller pieces.
I think it's over. Even if they make good stuff going forward, there's going to be a lot of problems with the brand. At this point I would like a new IP to replace it
it wasn't that great to begin with. I saw it in the theater in '77, when I was 11. it was cool, but that's it. Battlestar Galactica was a much better story.
It's literally as simple as getting rid of everything Disney or Filoni related and starting again from there.
I guarantee that sort of measure would fix Star Wars overnight.
In fifty years, the original 6 movies (sorry prequel seethers) are going to stand the test of time as hallowed Americana. Disney is going to continue to fumble with their ownership of the IP until it goes into public domain in 2072. Long before that point however, the public will regard the Disney contributions as -at best- apocrypha like the old EU or more likely a sad mostly-forgotten joke with minimal cultural impact.
The fandom is harder to predict. It's likely that the cultists of today will all die off/move on but there's a chance that Star Wars will turn into one of those things that young boys have phases of obsession towards like how some boys get into cowboys or knights for a few years. Sometimes those phases never end and those kids grow up to larp at renaissance fairs. There's a possibility something similar could happen for Star Wars. In which case you will see people playing dress-up as Stormtroopers until the day you die.
Every so often a filmmaker will produce a retelling of the original story like any other popular folk tale or classic story. Star Wars will be iterated upon ad nauseum and with variable quality like Frankenstein or Robin hood.
The only major caveat to all this is where tech goes in the next couple decades. It seems increasingly likely that you will be able to prompt an AI tool to generate the entirety of Return of the Jedi with Ewoks replaced by Wookiees and Leia is a nudist. If that happens, there's no predicting anything let alone the fate of Star Wars.
Star Wars isn't going to survive the zoom ziggers. There's a huge generational gap that cannot be bridged because of the few zoomers who have seen Star Wars have determined it is, in fact, cringe, and will never like Star Wars the way that you do and their peers will follow suit.
Even if you did throw out everything and start with the OG trilogy it's hopeless. Zoomers live in their own isolationist bubble and don't go outside, don't have dreams or aspirations and can only relate to their favorite streamer giving them a shout out on their birthday. There isn't anything out there that really appeals to them, certainly not pew pew space wizard.
And if not that then pretty much everybody in mass media is either a feminist, israelite or talentless nepo baby and they aren't going to leave politely. They'll rape the Star Wars corpse to squeeze every last DEI point and penny out of it until everybody outright hates it.
While Star Wars will likely float around occasionally popping up for the next century, nobody will ever be growing up with it, inculcated with the cultural craze. Meaning to them it'll just be a neat movie, but nothing special. Star Wars was released in a time when people cared about things like space and what the future will be like and were generally very happy so it makes sense that it could affect people deeply. Not so much anymore.
Star Wars is doomed to die with the 40 year old millennial manchildren.
All these ""Nerd Culture"" IPs and hobbies have utterly gone to shit with the corporate shift to broad appeal and you are worried that normie zoomers might think Star Wars is icky? THAT will kill Star Wars? If it becomes a niche interest for geeks?
WRONG.
>All these ""Nerd Culture"" IPs and hobbies have utterly gone to shit with the corporate shift to broad appeal
This all the way. Gamergate was the writing on the wall.
Step 1: Abandon ship! The Star Wars franchise has been reduced to rubble or you could say the life support is failing.
Step 2: Hire masculine writers who don't hate traditional families and sex roles. Have them make a new space fantasy.
Step 3: Slowly rebuild credibility by not hiring anyone who pushes woke bullshit.
Problem: You will need to gain control over many a central bank and lending institution to get enough money to make it big, so learning how banking works (at your local college,) and then creating a bank dedicated to crafting superior quality space stories that will be turned into films with a message should be your first step.
KK and the rest of Lucasfilm US more or less forgot it existed until the first season was written and almost done filming. It’s a genuinely good show that uses star wars as a setting. ISB scenes are the best, you'll know why when you watch them
The series needs to finally lay rest. Unfortunately, Disney tainted it. It was an incredible series and you should remember it for what it once was. Best advice.
all they have to do is put a straight white male character front and center in one movie, literally just one movie, and not a bait and switch like Solo where the female sidekick is the real main character
Immediately adapt George's Sequel Treatment with him as Creative Lead. Fire Kennedy & Filoni.
Immediately greenlight canceled LucasArts games and announce Battlefront 3. Full Clone Wars DLC partnerships with Helldivers 2 with delivery within 6 months (i.e. Christmas 2024).
Immediately cancel all High Republic fanfiction and related IPs without further elaboration. New print editions of 'Legends' Omnibuses, specifically a Rogue Squadron one-off film tie in (feat. Wedge Antilles as lead character, Mark Hamill de-aged/whatever) and a Splinter in the Mind's Eye film following it (original in-between Empire & ROTJ one off film that was almost made).
>Or is it doomed forever?
Depends whether George's Iger endorsement was just protecting his stock position in the company or because he's literally Epstein'd and compelled to; judging by Iger's memoirs laughing about fricking him over in sale negotiations, probably the latter. A Peltz/Perlmutter takeover without Iger in the picture is mandatory for any change of any kind at Disney and Lucas Film.
After a George Sequel film, an adaptation of the Mandalorian Wars in the Prequels style would 'rhyme'. Also 501st from late war to post-Order 66 training in COIN & combating Jedi without Vader babysitting them as the final clone-only units in the Imperial Army highlighting Vader's intention to overthrow Palps, and feeling betrayed by the reintroduction of slavery; set up Star Killer material should be the long term targets, if they had anything approaching vision creatively or financially.
You know the dialogue in Kingdom of Heaven with Orlando Bloom? bring it down that kind of level, focus on an apprentice learning from a Sith and its pretty much just lore into the world of the dark side.
Unfortunately, disney is too reliantly on quippy dialogue and comedic relief they'd never try a real kino-effort take.
I know most people would disagree, but it would honestly be pretty easy to salvage star wars. Just do a few quality, standalone movies or shows. The Jedi Apprentice or Rogue Squadron books would be good source material, or I guess inspiration would be a better word. An adventure of the week series starring a master and apprentice could be a big hit if the two characters were compelling enough, and a war drama a la Band of Brothers about the Rebellion pushing back the Empire system by system and becoming the new dominant power in the galaxy would be pure kino.
But of course they would never do this. Star Wars could be fixed, but it won't be because it's just not in good hands.
Disney spoiled the brand. It used to be universally acclaimed, now there is just division and culture war. Star wars ended with the scene in pic related anyway, so no loss. I'm just pissed that I have the image of hobo Luke drinking disgusting green alien tittymilk branded inside my brain
Understanding why people like it would go a long way to fixing it. Then understanding Lucas visual style as a director is another. Followed by writing that evolves past the pablum.
Werner Herzog should be heeded in his description of Star Wars, and begin to understand the weight and it’s worth the of what Star Wars means.
A space fairy tale, heavy on wonder and excitement, with a clear good vs evil message and actual heroes in the real sense of heroism, ie moral exemplars that you'd do well to emulate, as opposed to modern film "heroes" who are mostly just sociopaths who we're supposed to cheer because the horrible things they do are to Bad People (John Wick, James Bond etc)
>as opposed to modern film "heroes" who are mostly just sociopaths who we're supposed to cheer because the horrible things they do are to Bad People (John Wick, James Bond etc)
It's much more true to life though.
>It's much more true to life though.
Maybe, but there's also not glowing swords and magic and huge space battles in real life either. Maybe people would like to see cool stuff that doesn't happen in real life plus people who are better looking than real life people who are also morally better than real life people, and that's a good formula for an epic movie.
The weird thing is that when real life people do heroic stuff, charging into burning buildings to save strangers or whatever, there's news stories about it, because that really is the sort of stuff people want to see and hear about. All the studios have to do is write it! But they refuse.
Jarjar Binks wakes up from his dream. The prequels and everything after The Empire Strikes Back is revealed to be fantasy. People today forget that Ewoks were the beginning of the end. But now Ewoks are just a figment of Jarjar's imagination. Jarjar is Boba Fett's fantasy persona. That's who he is in his dreams. Real Star Wars starts here.
Showed a screenshot of this OP to my friend, huge Star Wars fan, and asked him "well?" and he said "fix what?". How do i respond without sounding mad ?
Retcons or prequels. The current universe has been shat on way beyond saving.
Either change core events or go to an era where they aren't relevant.
That being said, all I hope is they don't try to repeat the original trilogy's genres.
Meaning not another action-adventure hero's journey.
Disney tried doing this and its the exact reason it flopped. Too similar to the original and not even making it better.
disney's best chance for nonshit starswars is to let it be made by hired mercenaries instead of lucasfilm's main guys. lucasfilm's main guys make kenobi and the sequels, mercenaries make andor and the cal kestis games
1. Fire Kathleen Kennedey and all others of her kind
2. Acknoweldge that you made mistakes, explain what those mistakes were (wokeness, feminism, etc.) and condem those who made the mistakes and vow to do better going forward
3. Going forward, ADVERTISE future Star Wars content as being "all white" and let your producers and film crew PROUDLY declare that no non-whites were involved in the production of the movies. Make jokes about how the only women involved are just there to make sandwiches.
4. Do NOT release any kind of Star Wars content for at least another 5 years and Remove the Sequel triology, as well as all TV shows and Rogue one from all streaming services and stop the sale of the movies entirely. Offer a money-back program to anyone who sends back their physical copies of any Disney Star Wars product, so that they can be destroyed.
5. Write movies that are not only not woke or feminist but that are actively anti-woke and anti-feminist.
>Or is it doomed forever?
We'll see in a few years when Rey's New Jedi Order film comes out.
Does anyone have any stats for the shows? I know that "The Mandalorian" is very popular, but what about the other shows?
>Does anyone have any stats for the shows? I know that "The Mandalorian" is very popular, but what about the other shows?
Who cares? They're not making any money anyway.
The ST movies are just so fricking bad. I can live with the up and down quality of the shows because it's been like that since before Disney but those fricking movies are so goddamn bad.
The reality about Star Wars is that it was never more than a decent sci fantasy story, that captured the attention and autism of tons of young people when it came out because it was a forerunner for the genre. Same as Star Trek. There was never anything amazing about it, really. Just a unique setting.
Then somehow it got inflated into the best thing ever, likely thanks to Lucas's israelite-tier shilling of the prequels. Was that the first time a Hollywood franchise got shilled that bad? Anyway, ever since, the franchise has been all about appealing to every human being under the sun. That, plus the fact that the series was never that great to begin with, meant it was rushed into a grave from then onwards.
>Was that the first time a Hollywood franchise got shilled that bad?
Star Wars isn't Hollwood. From Empire to Revenge, they were indie films funded by Lucas. Disney Wars is 100% Hollywood though.
>Same as Star Trek.
Star Trek is influential but it's not like it was entirely unprecedented. A number of Outer Limits episodes could be tweaked into Star Trek episodes without too much hassle. Forbidden Planet is essentially a feature length Star Trek episode before Star Trek. What makes Star Trek lasting is that it's a great show. So too for the Star Wars OT (give or take RotJ).
>How do they fix it? Or is it doomed forever?
Honestly: Only way is to consider all Disney Wars non-canon and use their money to basically just bring the old EU to the screen. Not everything of course, but there are loads of SW books that blow the fricking Disney shit out of the water.
>let's repeat all the things that made the new trilogy shit >more women >more woke >sheboon director who only cares about putting in women and nogs
What could possibly go wrong?
Star Wars had 2 good movies and then muppets won in guerrilla warfare against an Empire. Then there were midichlorians and then somehow Palpatine returned. Just accept that it was never really good except for the video games.
Agreed. Like its inspirations, the OT has not aged well due to later works building on its formula and making the former obsolete. It's why the John Carter film never got its dues, because plenty other works already did it but better and bigger.
That's why a hypothetical OT reboot would need to change things rather than rehash the original story, because the OT's story is just too old hat to jive with future generations. The bones are fine, but it needs more meat and more spice to make it a meaningful watch.
Honestly, the only way to salvage SW, is to remake the sequel trilogy. What needs to happen, is to acknowledge the first iteration, as a dream. Rey wakes up and retraces her steps recalling the dream of the sequel trilogy. This makes the trilogy work as a shitty dream callback, while the new sequel trilogy fixes what went wrong. It’s literally the only way SW can be salvaged. There are so many sequences that only make sense if it had happened in a dream, so much nonsense. Let the sequel trilogy work as a guide for the new one.
>What needs to happen, is to acknowledge the first iteration, as a dream
There's no need to acknowledge it. Enough with this autism. Just ignore it like every other franchise does. You don't need a whole movie or scene to explain why things are different, they just are.
Fix what? There are three original Star Wars movies, three crappy sequels and a bunch of bullshit globalist propaganda pieces made by Disney.
You know that you don't have to consume this new bullshit just because you liked these movies from the 80's right? It has literally zero connection to the original material or its creators, if I make a Star Wars movie and it's just me sitting around in my pyjamas playing Vidya would you still buy it because it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it?
>if I make a Star Wars movie and it's just me sitting around in my pyjamas playing Vidya would you still buy it because it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it?
It wouldn't make any money, that's for sure.
>Luke and Leia hook up at Hoth which gets her pregnant. >Said pregnancy causes a great disturbance in the Force which is noticed by Yoda and Sidious. >Luke sense Leia's pregnant and as a result, refuses to go to Dagobah. >Obi-Wan pleads with him to go, but Luke refuses after finding out that Jedi aren't allowed to love and have families. >Sidious gets a hold of Luke and takes him to the Jedi Temple. >There, he shows him a vision of Vader killing the younglings. >Luke realizes that Vader is his father. >Luke chooses to become a Sith to gain all the resources and power he needs to find and protect Leia and their unborn child. >Sidious makes Luke his new apprentice and orders him to kill Vader. >Vader escapes and becomes Anakin once more to save his son. >Boba Fett captures Leia and Han. >Leia escapes and is found by Obi-Wan. >Obi-Wan has given up on Luke and instead trains Leia to become a Jedi.
>She sets out to rescue Han, but is intercepted by Boba Fett >Turns out, Lando hired him to bring her back to the rebel base. >She's not going anywhere without Han, so he helps her break him out. >Han's about to die by a miniature Death Star laser until Leia uses the dark side to destroy it. >She gets knocked out by the power and Han holds her. >Luke finds them and instantly gets jealous. >He force chokes Han but stops himself. >Luke takes Leia to Yavin where they could be alone and away from everything. >He tells her she's pregnant and the two spend some time there. >Boba Fett shows up and tells her that Luke's bad news and that she needs to leave. >Leia finds out Luke is a Sith, but he tells her it's all just temporary and he could overthrow the Emperor, that they'll rule the galaxy together. >Leia escapes with Boba Fett back to the rebel base. >Anakin goes to Dagobah and tells Yoda and Obi-Wan that the great disturbance was the conception of Luke and Leia's child. >Yoda and Obi-Wan freak out and tell Anakin that Leia is his daughter. >Anakin blows up at them for enabling all this to happen, for separating them at birth in the first place. >Anakin decides that the best way to fix this is to ensure that his kids get away from all this and live peacefully in Naboo. >Leia swears to save Luke and restart the Jedi Order. >Luke swears to use his new powers to find Leia at any cost. >Anakin confronts the Emperor, ready to fulfill his destiny and save his children.
There is no fixing. Just put it out of misery.
this
let some struggling writer re-discover it in 50 years and put a new spin on it
At this point no. The opportunity to, somewhat, recover it was with the early popularity The Mandalorian enjoyed however, they squandered that. There has also been no mass revaluation of the Sequels - due to both them being that bad and a lack of supportive popular games/cartoons/novels/comics. Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy or some trilogy far past the Sequels however, 1) there is no reason to believe it would be good, 2) that there would be actual interest, and 3) it seems difficult considering how fractured people are about Star Wars at this point.
>Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy or some trilogy far past the Sequels
They would never do that because that would be appealing to the old white straight male demographic, which is toxic and the enemy.
>Disney or whoever could try to do some Old Republic trilogy
You mean the prequels. The Republic in the prequels IS the Old Republic. EU writers ignored that fact and did their own thing, unnecessarily muddling up the lore.
You can be a pedantic cuck all you want on Reddit.
If you want to split hairs, at least do it right. The OLD republic is considered to be the Republic from 25000 to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin.
>The OLD republic is considered to be the Republic from 25000 to 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin.
Again, that's the EU. The Republic in the prequels was intended to be the actual Old Republic. Before it, was 1000 years of a Sith-ruled galaxy. The Sith having been formed 2000 years before the movies, by a rogue Jedi Knight and his followers.
The EU existed before the prequels, my very young Padawan.
Lucas did not allow stories to be set before ANH before TPM was released, but once in production he allowed it and let the EU be fleshed out in that temporal direction.
Unless you can specifically show me a citation where he mentioned that they were separate canons even back then, I will have to call BS. Lucas specifically forbade “prequel” stories, because he wanted to keep continuity straight. So him producing the prequels and suddenly throwing caution to the wind in that regard does not make too much sense.
It makes fine enough sense. Licensed material being disbarred from doing certain shit is standard. The material needed to sell, and they wouldn't if fans didn't think it mattered. That ban was there to keep everything consistent for the fans who'd buy it. Lucas wasn't beholden to the EU, the EU was beholden to him and him only.
Disney saved star wars from cultural irrelevancy
By cultural irrelevancy you mean manchildren not buying Star Wars funkos?
it saved Lego too, my Star Wars collection is worth $20k now
Millennials need a steady diet of plastic garbage or else they go more insane than they already are.
Can you blame with the state of the world they live in?
I think Disney saved cultural irrelevance more than they saved Star Wars at this point.
You should get off the internet and go outside. Meet people. Talk to them. You dont know shit about anything.
Disney MADE Star Wars culturally irrelevant. Now its just another thing shit out at regular intervals that means absolutely nothing.
morons
Star Wars is more irrelevant now than ever
I was talking to my litte brother who's 9. He was telling me that the other kids don't even know what star wars is. I've tried having him watch the OT but he legit doesn't care.
I don't watch movies for cultural relevancy
Don't be sad it's over - be happy it happened. Also maybe remaster the original cuts and do a re-release, it's the one thing the fans want and would probably put Disney back in their good graces
>implying I'm giving disney money ever again
lol
lmao even
I'd spend money on a decent release of the theatrical cuts done properly. That's it though
they're out there if you look hard enough.
It's all on the fricking internet, dude. Shit's free, so quit your b***hing.
>Disco Star Wars intensifies
Just get 4k77 4k80 and 4k83. You can even burn it to a bluray disc and it'll play in a standard UHD player.
>Don't be sad it's over - be happy it happened.
It sounds gay as frick but its true. We had some good movies and games that we can still go back to when feeling nostalgic. Don't even pay attention to nu-wars let it die and move onto something less pozzed.
Yeah, the IP going down the tubes is a huge opportunity cost because there was so much you could do in that universe but at the same time, a lot of people already did a lot with it. Between the six Lucas films, the comics, the novels, the games and everything else Star Wars has a about as much content available as any franchise ever created. Even if you ignore the Disneyshit entirely there's more than enough already existing content And if it's not enough, hell, just move along to a related adjacent IP. I moved on to the Aliens franchise after my childhood obsession with Star Wars and that's its own rabbit hole. There's always something else to get into.
I kinda feel the same about capeshit now, too. If they're going to bastardize or kill off all the OG characters I like, well I I still have everything from the 60's through the 90's and that's a lot. I have 50+ years of Peter Parker comics, I don't need to put up with this Miles Morales bullshit
Well it was done "happening" in 1983. And thats now over 40 years.
I wanted some quality entertainment.
Not even nostalgia. I dont like nostalgia. And I hate any product or service that offers it. I just wanted something fun to watch.
Disney wanted money.
>Disney wanted money.
Bullshit. If they cared about money, they wouldn't have done all the dumb shit they've been doing.
Its not bullshit. they care about money, they just got stupid. A shitload of "analysts" told them that perusing the woke agenda and pandering to extreme political groups would get the more money. For some reason they never questioned these claims and made a bunch of shit movies and actually for a while did make profit. Now they are losing money and too entrenched in their current path to deviate.
they need better leadership. Kathleen has proven she cant make good decisions.
Including gays in your movies is fine.
Telling potential customers that all straight white males are evil is just a losing game plan. Most of them ARE straight white males.
>Including gays in your movies is fine.
Ask me how I know you're not a parent.
Single motherhood is child abuse.
I consider myself lucky that I was a kid/teen at the sweet spot when Star Wars was getting fleshed out in the 90s and 00s. A lot of great expanded universe stuff that lived up to the potential of the SW setting. It felt like SW rather than all the sad hollow interpretations Disney puts out.
Shin Hati limited series, including her bath routine, meaning she has to go naked.
Stinky Sith Pussy
Wtf? Stinky????
Sweaty and hairy and musky
who gives a shit it's for children
Which means its too advanced for you.
Go touch grass. You aren't as cool, sophisticated, or intelligent as you believe yourself to be.
>how do they fix it
Same as with everything else; exterminating all israelites and all shit skins.
The revan series could save it. But, it would have to be given to someone not at disney. Its clear disney has been forcing interracial and lgbt propaganda.
>The revan series
The single most reddit, overrated character in all of Star Wars. Literally videogame self-insert power fantasy, who is either a goody two shoes nun, or edgelord worse than Hitler, who kills puppies for fun. And if you do make him an actual character, character with weaknesses, character who isn't all powerful mary sue that is wanked 24/7 by everyone on the screen, Cinemaphileermin manchildren will just b***h and moan.
>all powerful mary sue that is wanked 24/7 by everyone on the screen
Yeah, but she is rightfully hated by the majority of the people. So she's not overrated. She's rated accordingly. Whereas Revan is wanked, because he is a videogame character, and people feel investment and ownership over him and his story. He is literally you, and you like it when you are a power fantasy all powerful mary sue of galactic importance. More so, most videogame fans are moronic children or manchildren, making them doubly insufferable.
This.
Star Wars fandom used to be full of people who loved movies.
Now it's full of gamers. Gamers do not love movies, nor are they people.
Imagine sticking your throbber in that wet sloppy mouth
we're not talking about Ahsoka. most of revan's story is mired in mystery and embellishment from other characters.
That's right, we are talking about revan:
Gay mary sue self insert from an overrated videogame. Tales of the Jedi was better than KOTOR ever was, which was "The Force Awakens" of its time, which took cool and interesting and new aesthetics and opted out for creatively bankrupt rip offs to score familiarity and nostalgia points. KOTOR babies are low IQ manchildren.
big ass deal, all star wars main characters are power fantasy self inserts. let people have their fun.
I love Revan more than any other Star Wars character and the best thing they could do is never touch him or the KotOR era ever again. They even started ruining him with that god-awful Drew Karpyshyn book.
They would change their mind from the canon Revan book and go with female Revan
There is no fixing since Lucas retired, and that hack Filoni is surely no replacement. Even if you resetted the status quo to pre-Clone Wars CGI cartoon state, there is no one with talent left to do anything good with it, although I'm sure whatever they could come up with would be better than the purposely bad Yidsney goyslop.
Nothing can save it. Nothing can save hollywood in genera, let alone yidsney wars.
the first star wars movies were mid at best. everything that came afterwards is shit. what is there to fix? it was never good in the first place. darth vader and lightsabers are cool, thats all.
Stop making any star wars content for 20 years, then make a movie set far enough into the future that there's no possible way for it to be tied to the previous trilogies. You can have the jedi and the sith evolve over time, explore new philosophies, etc
Real fans have gone through all stages of grief, settled on complete apathy for a while, and are now just enjoying the schadenfreude, watching it all crash and burn. Georgie's backstabbing was the icing on the cake. Star Wars is dead. There's no going back.
Anything good about Star Wars can be attributed to Irvin Keshner and Marcia Lucas. George is a hack, and that's why the prequels are shit.
let George's son run Lucasfilm
Nah, Lucas has even bent the knee
Rey/Phasma sex scene.
pretend the sequels never happened
make heir to the empire and dark forces films
kyle can save us
Pretend anything that came out after 2005 never happened and just start making some movies based on the EU books. There are literally thousands of them to pick from and a lot of them are great stories that doesn’t have to involve any characters from the OT or PT.
>Pretend anything that came out after 2005 never happened
1983*
>revenge fantasies on a fictional character
god i hate the star wars fandom
they deserve disney wars
>Pretend anything that came out after 2005 never happened
Exactly, because anything after ROTS does not exist.
>How do they fix it?
Soft reboot. Galactic dark age with no central galactic authority but many competing powers.
Unironically this. Say what you will about the Sequels but they left the Galaxy as pretty much a blank slate. Every major power has been reduced by a century of constant warfare setting the stage for smaller independent alliances. No Republic, no Empire.
Yes it is completely fricked
The only way to "fix" it would be to make a movie as good as episodes 4/5
and that is not going to happen, would be easier to make a new popular franchise than to make a new good star wars movie
The people in hollywood are not more likely to make a good new franchise because they lack all forms of creative talent. They are physically unable to make good movies now.
It's been doomed for decades. Before and after Disney it's been the same mistakes over and over again.
Here's a radical idea: Write a fun sci-fi/fantasy adventure story with some new locations and vehicles, hire some good/attractive actors and film it.
This^^^ you want new?! Here's Hoth! PYSCHE! ITS ACTUALLY SALT NOT SNOW!! TOTALLY DIFFERENT. CONSUME MORE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS.
One of the big problems of nu-Wars is that no one involved in it wants to make anything original because they're too afraid of losing the thin thread that keeps the new content united to the Star Wars series, and for good reason since below the superficial none of the new movies and shows feel like they belong to the same saga as the OT or PT.
Until Episode 9 Disney was full in OT wankery mode so everything was a facsimile of things from the OT or a "bigger and better" version (Starkiller base). When that well ran dry they started doing the same thing with the Clone Wars era.
They wanked off the tech aesthetics, but got rid of all the classic alien species
Sell it to the Japanese.
first season of visions was great, second was unwatchable
Star Wars is a perfect Shonen anime template anyway, it belongs to that medium more. Or at least with their lax copyright, I hope some Jap comes up with a totally-not-Star Wars IP so Star Wars fans flock to that. I used to love Star Wars so much, I fricking loved it. I checked out opening night of TFA and never bothered to watch a single second of anything that came after. The prequels were great and we caused this by being spoiled fricks.
>Or at least with their lax copyright, I hope some Jap comes up with a totally-not-Star Wars IP so Star Wars fans flock to that.
Gundam has existed since 1979.
Not really the same thing.
Let's say we go by DBZ's standard, Anakin would be a good 7 million by the end of RotS
Also
>Or at least with their lax copyright
What? They're as anal or more about that than in America.
the Japanese already did it. it was called Lensman. unfortunately it takes a licensed IP, and from what i hear the rights holders won't license it anymore.
>The prequels were great and we caused this by being spoiled fricks.
Fricking have a nice day. You had the perfect post until you got to that point. Or rather, even if what you said outside of my quote is true, your entire post is underminded/undermined by the last sentence.
Take your fricking meds, freak.
Cope b***h, people like you are the reason why Lucas sold the franchise to Disney and are directly responsible for nu wars, I remember you morons flinging shit and celebrating when TFA came out as if that committee driven re-write of ANH was some sort of victory
>"What if thing but anime"
This trend needs to stop
How high would their power levels increase under anime rule?
Pretty much all the shit that Sora does in Kingdom Hearts. https://youtu.be/Q2KifhUlAac?si=vbciHCVyT0tRTqyh&t=425
>How do they fix it?
Retcon the sequel trilogy and give Luke an ending that fans actually want to see.
>Or is it doomed forever?
Since disney are incapable of admitting they made a mistake, yes.
>Retcon the sequel trilogy and give Luke an ending that fans actually want to see.
Like letting him actually score for once. New Canon gave him ZERO b***hes.
It's over, Anon. It's been over for a long time. Accept it and move on.
We will rather see a return of star trek.
The same type of people who ran Star Wars into the ground have been doing the same thing to Star Trek for the past few years. They both need to be put out of their misery.
>How do they fix it?
sell everything back to george lucas for $1.
Doomed
Because real talent isn't allowed to work on something like that
The real talent's retired or dead, by now.
Based on the stories I heard Georges first wife was the main reason Star Wars got made at all.
She's the one telling those stories, anon.
>Fire Kennedy or tell her to shut up
>Clear the slate for at least 3 years (can every film, shows have one year to finish and release)
>Commit to full transparency of the brand
>Find a decent director and writer
>Put out a TOR film in 4-5 years
Nothing short of the public executions of bob iger and the rest of disneys management will get me invested in anything they make ever again.
Haha as if.
You grew up with Star Wars. That's all it takes to be obsessed for life.
The moment they churn out something good ya'll will flock to it and just forget that the bad things existed. It's a very human behavior.
Fortunately for you, the israelites, feminists and talentless hacks would rather die and take the entire industry with them before they ever give up their golden goose so you won't have to make that choice.
>golden goose
they're still in the hole 10 years later on their purchase and it's unbelievable they've had films associated like Solo actually bomb at the box office. no one gives a shit about star wars anymore.
Doomed the moment it stopped being a trilogy
It's dead, incredible how quickly they murdered it but even more surprising is how little its fans truly cared about it.
They probably care but what option is there other than to not consume the slop produced?
>Can't think of any other options
Good god what have they done to you?
>Good god what have they done to you?
Made shit that I've had to avoid?
What is there? You move on. You find another series or even write one yourself. This series is clearly dead. What realistic option is there in reviving it? Why bother being hung up on something that doesn't resemble what you once loved and never will again? Take the memories and passion you once had for it and invest them somewhere else.
I am of the belief that the series is inseparable from Lucas as a person, and that what he did is extraordinary.
>I am of the belief that the series is inseparable from Lucas as a person, and that what he did is extraordinary.
Real talk, sir.
You may be right.
I stand firm in the belief that the prequels created a much more interesting world for Star Wars than the OT ever did.
The Prequels did do much more extensive world building so makes sense. Didn't have as compelling an adventure or characters though. Everything Disney has done has shrunk or regressed that world though or just sucked the life out of it.
>Didn't have as compelling an adventure or characters though
I disagree. I for one find Anakin much more interesting than Luke.
Each to their own, I guess. I find Luke a much more compelling character and I'm much more invested in his journey.
Luke's pretty lame compared to his dad. He doesn't have that leading man look to him that Hayden had. His personality's pretty lame too.
The Prequels themselves shrunk the world by making the character relationships unfathomably moronic for the sake of cheap pandering and audience familiarity. But yes, the characters are mostly pigswill too.
>The Prequels themselves shrunk the world by making the character relationships unfathomably moronic for the sake of cheap pandering and audience familiarity
And yet OT purists throw a fit because they didn't get the OT rehash they wanted.
The prequels aren't a rehash. They are nevertheless filled with nonsensical connections and lazy writing, though.
>They are nevertheless filled with nonsensical connections and lazy writing
Such as?
Are you going to pretend Chewbacca knowing Yoda isn't lazy, nonsensical pandering?
He never meets him in the OT so it's fine.
Kek.
It's just an example. I was asked to provide one, so I did. You can go back to your routine endless wienersucking now.
Can't imagine getting my panties in a twist over that.
>bro prequels have such a kino """worldbuilding"""!!!!
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Jango's cool. Quit being a gay nerd.
>the common fashion of humans on Tattooine circa BBY 0 just happens to be the same fashion as the Jedi of the Old Republic on Coruscant, right down to the belt buckles
What a funny coincidence!
Yoda wore robes on Dagobah and the force ghosts had them too, even Anakin. Clearly, its standard Jedi garb.
They did. Shit like C-3PO being built by Anakin did nothing but shrink the world in exchange for a wink to the audience. It's a big galaxy. Not everyone and think needs to be connected.
You can't have Star Wars without R2 and C-3PO.
Yes, you could've.
Not according to Lucas.
He may have went too far in a few places.
You can. The idea of the droids being the consistent lens through which we see this large story is interesting but it isn't something the movies actually do. They just feel shoehorned in the prequels.
The EU has always been the main driver for lore in Star Wars. As Plinkett pointed out, a lot of stuff was not explained in the movies, it just existed as a backdrop or background character. The settings, the various Jedi we saw but never knew even the names of, etc. But I do prefer the environs and characters of the prequels, overall.
The real issue with the OT trilogy and prequels is that they are only separated by like 20 years when they operate as if they are centuries apart. Having Vader and Obi Wan be mortal caused this, and Luke / Leia didn't need to be Vader's children. Make the Jedi live super long, and make the OT trilogy about the remnants of Jedi led by Obi Wan / Yoda and the Rebellion led by Leia and whoever vs. Sith a la Vader and Sidious. Having the Jedi / force users in general live super long adds to the mysticism and power of the Force. Instead however we got the slop we got.
Dude, just admit that you don't like Star Wars.
Star Wars still gets Cinemaphile threads and people raging about the sequels or TLJ all over online. Most other franchises vanish when they’re dead. I have to imagine that’s some kind of love
The final nail in the coffin will be a reboot of the original trilogy, Disney will do it if the Rey movie fails too hard.
George naively sold it to Disney. It's literally over
It was never good.
It was only "ok", but was cosy.
Doomed - forever.
They can either do a reset and get rid of everything from the sequels or go back to the old republic. But they're not going to do either because then "the fans would win"
The only thing that lasts forever is a bad reputation. It doesn’t matter what they do because the last 15 years of shitty content will always haunt whoever owns the franchise
Introduce a multiverse. Cope and seethe but it's the only way.
In time AI will save the day. You'll be able to replace any actor or dialog with one of your choice. Then your bootleg copy will out sell the hollyweird original.
I would like artist to make art for me.
But who will actually watch that shit? Indians?
Everyone. You just don't see what's coming.
the sequels being canon is pretty much a dead end route. the only smart thing they can do is either retcon them out or turning them into a dark timeline with some eventually moronic timetravel/multiverse crap. EP 9 is a literal blight on the whole franchise right now.
Pretty much this. They would have to retcon the sequels to move forward in any meaningful way. Star Wars has been murdered and its corpse desecrated.
>either retcon them out or turning them into a dark timeline with some eventually moronic timetravel/multiverse crap
Or just ignore them like every other franchise does. Not everything has to have an autistic explanation for everything.
This is the only option as with everything. Like in the new James Bond they're going to do, yes they killed Bond and the last one was TLJ-levels of awful BUT they should just move on and that's it. This advice is the best for anything in life. Move on and that's it.
>EP 9 is a literal blight on the whole franchise right now
It is utterly amazing that JJ retconned Darth Vader killing the Emperor and no one stopped him.
I rewatched 9 recently for the first time since the theaters and it's utterly insane. And I don't care, I pretty much like all Star Wars series/movies "for what they are," I liked 7 and 8 a lot, but Jesus Christ is 9 just a rabid, unhinged dog. Some things I forgot:
-Palpatine using his super lightning attack and taking out all the rebel (but not his own) fleet
-The MCU "they fly now? They fly now" humor is one thing, but basically any time there's a joke, they do like, a triple joke, like they couldn't decide on which one to use, so they went with all of them. It's not reddit, it's fricking Channel Awesome tier
-How undeveloped the larger plot is. Like, characters will talk about "winning the war," but what's the war? "First order bad," sure, but what are the rebels going to replace them with if they win? There's like, 3 dozen proper rebels under Leia's command, are they going to be the new galactic government?
I understand the logic behind every SW movie, even the ones I don't especially enjoy. 9 is on an unmatched level of gibberish.
I like how the concept for the First Order was "what if the Nazis hiding in Argentina built an atomic bomb" so the whole Resistance thing made sense, in that nobody in the New Republic thought some Imperial remnant cult was a threat to anyone but humored Leia with a couple squadrons out of respect, but then Rian just decided they were the Empire again
but, of course the New Republic would have a huge navy, it's a galaxy full of smugglers and pirates and of course the government would have to police trade lanes
Add a race of bikini wearing giant Scandinavian woman who have large breasts and turns out they invented the force as a big plot twist.
Make those women the Yuuzhan Vong with BDSM aspects intact and you've got yourself a deal.
pammich Black disney plus series
It's done. The bunch of corny pc amateurs that bought the thing have destroyed it. I used to love the OT and Lucas's stuff, now I cringe just thinking about what's become of it.
Hand it over to the Japanese to make animated anthologies like the first season of Visions.
It's dead, as is any big franchise. Lotr, marvel, harry potter, all the others. Also these franchises limit the creativity of filmmakers since nothing new gets invented just cause viewers like the same old rehashed shit
>since nothing new gets invented just cause viewers like the same old rehashed shit
Lucas made something new and people hated him for it.
time machine back to before TFA
Public domain is the only acceptable answer.
rey creates a new jedi order,
jump 10 years ahead
rey is a background character, new jedis are the focus and they slowly begin to realise that rey is actually evil and power hungry
that would be a good start; would watch.
more 'rey is lovely because...' shallow adversity, convenient plot devices and style over substance is what we are going to get though
It's over, OP. Let it go. Star Wars is a dead franchise
bring back the sexy slave girls
It's domed without a wipe. homosexual Filoni violating internal continuity with every project he touches has poisoned everything that made Star Wars a viable story.
It’s pretty much dead. If I was a Lucasfilm exec though, I would immediately cancel all other projects and develop an Episode 10. I’d find a way to bring the Skywalkers back, probably through Kylo and Rey’s child or something, and wait three years between movies and seven between trilogies. Basically try to turn it back into an event rather than a commodity which in the long run will bring in more dough. Also, Star Wars is nothing without Skywalkers and lightsabers. It’s a family saga. Nobody cares about anything else and making it a huge sandbox.
>probably through Kylo and Rey’s child
But...how?
>take a 5 year hiatus
>no movies or tv shows
>maybe some animated shorts like Tales of the Jedi to keep people busy
>keep making publishing and video games
>come back, announce the sequels and all the dogshit D+ shows are being put into some containment canon like how EU was turned to Legends
>effectively decanonize Empire 2 and all the other lore ruining garbage but put a positive spin on it
>come out with a standalone movie set in the far future
>new factions, new characters, no Filoni glup shitto cameos shoehorned in
>have a main ship, fun crew, and have them go on adventures. Similar vibe to the Cal Kestis games
>if it's good, make it a trilogy
I’ve already gone through all the stages of grief with this franchise, and I’m at peace now just declaring it finished. The story was completed with RotJ, there’s no need for anything more than that.
Early Mandalorian briefly moved the needle, but Boba Fett killed all that momentum, and Kenobi was the final nail in the coffin for me. It couldn’t have been any more obvious what little a shit that they actually give about the franchise’s legacy, and it’s all about feeding the egos of a small handful of people at the top now.
Star Wars ended in 2005.
It died in 1983, and it’s been permanently ruined since 1997.
You nerds are so fricking dramatic. It's not serious, dude. Grow up.
Your god Lucas is a hack.
Dude, I watch the Hal9000 edits over the originals, and I fricking despise fanboys and their fandoms. Shit's zealotry and I refuse to subscribe to their nonsense. All I see is a bunch of whiny nerds b***hing that they're not getting their way like children. That they didn't get the movies they wanted ie a rehash of the OT but in the past. It's pathetic.
If it doesn’t matter then why comment? You shouldn’t even be here, since you’re apparently so cool for having no standards and defending slop.
Doomed forever.
Star Wars sucked as far back as Return of the Jedi. The EU stuff was a wash, some really good stuff, but a lot of terrible stuff.
Prequels were mid, I don't hate them but I don't think they are very good movies either.
Sequels started out OK then TLJ shit the bed so hard I don't think Disney Wars will ever recover.
>in 50 years nothing that wasn't writen by george or endorsed direclty by him will be considered cannon
just let time do its thing, everything ends the same way
Doomed and no real way to fix it.
Star Wars will never not be a movie series for 12s and under.
>How do they fix it?
Add a midriff baring smuggler played by KStew who has an 8 minute sex scene with Daisy akin to Blue is the Warmest color.
Best I can do is a 2 minute BBC blacked sex scene
Have the empire as the protagonists for once.
You don't have to make them look like the good guys but also don't want them defecting.
>You don't have to make them look like the good guys
They were always the good guys...
explain why, chuddo
Could memes save Star Wars?
Give it back to george and have him make episode 7 and retcon everything disney did just like they did with the eu
I dont know but I hope they keep trying. The schadenfreude entertains me more than the movies have, and its been that way for a long time now.
Hey, is it just me or did that Snow White remake go ULTRA FRICKING QUIET? Kek, im sure theres a film that's on the right track.
Weird.
Its doomed unless they sell it off to somebody else entirely AND that new company has a completely different road map.
And sad as it is, even though you and me and all the sane people think its ruined, the truth is Disney somehow manages to make money off of Star Wars. They wont sell it for a very long time. So most of us will grow old and die before we see it returned to the former glory.
By the way I'm one of those buttholes who thinks the sequels suck donkey balls and no, 10 shitty movies and 5 shitty TV series do NOT redeem them. Thats not redemption. Its something else. "Grass is always greener" or whatever the frick.
A: Disney execs pull their heads out of their asses, purge their creative teams of DEI cultists, and hire some skilled writers that love and understand Star Wars. Probability: less likely than WW3.
B: Investors pull their heads out of their asses, replace execs, new execs follow A. Probability: Shareholders just voted to keep current execs so they have until next shareholders' meeting to unfrick themselves unless WW3 happens first.
C: Star Wars is a timeless story. If beings that can appreciate a good story exist after Disney has lost control of it, cheesy dragon apocalypse, and/or WW3 have ended it will be revived.
Star Wars: First Contact with Luke as Picard and the Vong as the Borg
I think it's dead. The Sequel Trilogy didn't leave any room for interesting stories to be told. It's just the same Empire/Rebel redux. No new Jedi Order. No continuation of the Skywalker bloodline. No new concepts or factions.
The Prequels might have been shit, but they added a ton of new stuff to Star Wars through which writers have given us great stories. That's just impossible with this new canon.
>The Prequels might have been shit
Fanedits have proven that the story and characters are fine, but needed more time in the editing room. Hal9000's edits are basically the same movies, but polished up. Literally remove the crap, some trims to fix the pacing, add the plot-important deleted scenes in and you have legit good movies.
>literally remake the movie and you have a legit good movie
moron.
I think what he means is the plot elements are good, but the dialogue and pacing is crap.
This is how Hal9000 edited the kiss scene in AotC.
https://files catbox moe/bx23kr mp4
No dialogue, it's all on the characters' expressions and actions. Just add the dots where they need to be.
let hollywood die
it's just judeoamerican slop social conditioning. always has been.
Make the Riankino trilogy.
Give it to me.
No, seriously.
Give it to me.
Give the whole thing to me.
All of it.
I will fix it.
I will fix the whole damn thing.
I will right the course.
Yes, I am dead serious in my words.
I will return Star Wars to its remarkable glory.
I will ensure there are Star Wars toys flowing out of your kids Christmas stockings again.
I will ensure that there are five video games on the market at all times being hailed and voted as game of the year contenders for over a decade straight.
I will cast young and sexy up and coming stars that will have the quotable dialogue and fantastic jaw dropping moments for a captivating series of movies that will define and launch their careers to the point their great grandchildren will never not be rich.
I will get the greatest minds in cinema to fashion for me a film in such scale and grandeur, it will be studied in film schools for years.
I will write riveting romance that will cater to the women, heroics and bravery and jaw-dropping action to cater to the men, strong, memorable and lovable characters for families of all kinds. Stories about boys and girls in this universe with strange aliens from a thousand different worlds.
I will make films and cartoons of all the Legends stories, the good and the cheesy. All of it will receive cinematic and video game treatments, and toy and product lines accompanying them. New Jedi Order, Dark Empire, all of it.
I will work tirelessly for the rest of my life to deliver Star Wars to its apex; its TRUE potential. I will make it my life's mission to make and deliver Star Wars kino and demand nothing less than the absolute best from those who are creative and passionate about the universe that will work with me to do it.
We've seen what the "experts" did with Star Wars.
So...
Give the whole thing to me.
I used to think like you. I feel like I know Star Wars better than most people. I could probably do it. The problem is Star Wars means something different for everyone. Everyone has their own expectations for Star Wars. Every single piece of new content that comes out divides the already shattered fanbase into even smaller pieces.
I think it's over. Even if they make good stuff going forward, there's going to be a lot of problems with the brand. At this point I would like a new IP to replace it
Disney do it give it to him
If Disney gives it to you, please hire me to do all the heavy lifting to fricking fix General Grievous.
I hate what they did to my boy Qymaen.
it wasn't that great to begin with. I saw it in the theater in '77, when I was 11. it was cool, but that's it. Battlestar Galactica was a much better story.
>58 years old on Cinemaphile
Yeah, nah.
Get a family old ass homie
It's literally as simple as getting rid of everything Disney or Filoni related and starting again from there.
I guarantee that sort of measure would fix Star Wars overnight.
Star Wars is fine.
In fifty years, the original 6 movies (sorry prequel seethers) are going to stand the test of time as hallowed Americana. Disney is going to continue to fumble with their ownership of the IP until it goes into public domain in 2072. Long before that point however, the public will regard the Disney contributions as -at best- apocrypha like the old EU or more likely a sad mostly-forgotten joke with minimal cultural impact.
The fandom is harder to predict. It's likely that the cultists of today will all die off/move on but there's a chance that Star Wars will turn into one of those things that young boys have phases of obsession towards like how some boys get into cowboys or knights for a few years. Sometimes those phases never end and those kids grow up to larp at renaissance fairs. There's a possibility something similar could happen for Star Wars. In which case you will see people playing dress-up as Stormtroopers until the day you die.
Every so often a filmmaker will produce a retelling of the original story like any other popular folk tale or classic story. Star Wars will be iterated upon ad nauseum and with variable quality like Frankenstein or Robin hood.
The only major caveat to all this is where tech goes in the next couple decades. It seems increasingly likely that you will be able to prompt an AI tool to generate the entirety of Return of the Jedi with Ewoks replaced by Wookiees and Leia is a nudist. If that happens, there's no predicting anything let alone the fate of Star Wars.
prequels sucked on release and they suck to this date, they're bad movies
Star Wars isn't going to survive the zoom ziggers. There's a huge generational gap that cannot be bridged because of the few zoomers who have seen Star Wars have determined it is, in fact, cringe, and will never like Star Wars the way that you do and their peers will follow suit.
Even if you did throw out everything and start with the OG trilogy it's hopeless. Zoomers live in their own isolationist bubble and don't go outside, don't have dreams or aspirations and can only relate to their favorite streamer giving them a shout out on their birthday. There isn't anything out there that really appeals to them, certainly not pew pew space wizard.
And if not that then pretty much everybody in mass media is either a feminist, israelite or talentless nepo baby and they aren't going to leave politely. They'll rape the Star Wars corpse to squeeze every last DEI point and penny out of it until everybody outright hates it.
While Star Wars will likely float around occasionally popping up for the next century, nobody will ever be growing up with it, inculcated with the cultural craze. Meaning to them it'll just be a neat movie, but nothing special. Star Wars was released in a time when people cared about things like space and what the future will be like and were generally very happy so it makes sense that it could affect people deeply. Not so much anymore.
Star Wars is doomed to die with the 40 year old millennial manchildren.
You old fricks really don't know a damn thing. TikTok isn't emblematic of all of Gen Z. Touch grass, for real.
All these ""Nerd Culture"" IPs and hobbies have utterly gone to shit with the corporate shift to broad appeal and you are worried that normie zoomers might think Star Wars is icky? THAT will kill Star Wars? If it becomes a niche interest for geeks?
WRONG.
>All these ""Nerd Culture"" IPs and hobbies have utterly gone to shit with the corporate shift to broad appeal
This all the way. Gamergate was the writing on the wall.
Step 1: Abandon ship! The Star Wars franchise has been reduced to rubble or you could say the life support is failing.
Step 2: Hire masculine writers who don't hate traditional families and sex roles. Have them make a new space fantasy.
Step 3: Slowly rebuild credibility by not hiring anyone who pushes woke bullshit.
Problem: You will need to gain control over many a central bank and lending institution to get enough money to make it big, so learning how banking works (at your local college,) and then creating a bank dedicated to crafting superior quality space stories that will be turned into films with a message should be your first step.
go back in time and make sure no one gets the rights
5 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 3 > 2
rest are shit, Rogue One was acceptable fite me
Andor was good. Other than that you’re spot on
Only I can fix it. Disney, seek me out and hire me. You will have infinite profit.
I think they should declare the sequels non canon
Going through the series chronologically
Gonna start andor soon
What am I in for
KK and the rest of Lucasfilm US more or less forgot it existed until the first season was written and almost done filming. It’s a genuinely good show that uses star wars as a setting. ISB scenes are the best, you'll know why when you watch them
A woman who works at the Half Price Books in my town said she hasn't watched any Star Wars since TPM came out.
In that moment, I envied her. Greatly.
Its done. They shot it again with that new Outlaws game.
$170 seriously??? And half the game is dlc. Star wars is done
The series needs to finally lay rest. Unfortunately, Disney tainted it. It was an incredible series and you should remember it for what it once was. Best advice.
Star Wars may be dead, but it lives on in our hearts. Remember the originals and the prequels if you like them. Here's a meme for consolation.
all they have to do is put a straight white male character front and center in one movie, literally just one movie, and not a bait and switch like Solo where the female sidekick is the real main character
I have to agree with this, actually. It would feel very nostalgic, like SW in the '70s/80s.
Just make this and don't insert random social crap
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit.
Fresh rewrite. Darth Vader is no longer Luke's father. No Death Star. No chicks unless they're sexy eyecandy. Better dialogue.
>Darth Vader is no longer Luke's father
That's moronic.
A Wookie actually ripping a man's arm out of its socket
Wookies vs Wampas
It already happened in Solo
A traveling Jizz band in a flying Dodge Monaco police car. 106 parsecs to Coruscant. A full tank of hyperspace gas. Half a pack of death-sticks.
>How do they fix it?
Immediately adapt George's Sequel Treatment with him as Creative Lead. Fire Kennedy & Filoni.
Immediately greenlight canceled LucasArts games and announce Battlefront 3. Full Clone Wars DLC partnerships with Helldivers 2 with delivery within 6 months (i.e. Christmas 2024).
Immediately cancel all High Republic fanfiction and related IPs without further elaboration. New print editions of 'Legends' Omnibuses, specifically a Rogue Squadron one-off film tie in (feat. Wedge Antilles as lead character, Mark Hamill de-aged/whatever) and a Splinter in the Mind's Eye film following it (original in-between Empire & ROTJ one off film that was almost made).
>Or is it doomed forever?
Depends whether George's Iger endorsement was just protecting his stock position in the company or because he's literally Epstein'd and compelled to; judging by Iger's memoirs laughing about fricking him over in sale negotiations, probably the latter. A Peltz/Perlmutter takeover without Iger in the picture is mandatory for any change of any kind at Disney and Lucas Film.
After a George Sequel film, an adaptation of the Mandalorian Wars in the Prequels style would 'rhyme'. Also 501st from late war to post-Order 66 training in COIN & combating Jedi without Vader babysitting them as the final clone-only units in the Imperial Army highlighting Vader's intention to overthrow Palps, and feeling betrayed by the reintroduction of slavery; set up Star Killer material should be the long term targets, if they had anything approaching vision creatively or financially.
>Immediately adapt George's Sequel Treatment with him as Creative Lead. Fire Kennedy & Filoni.
His sequel ideas didn't sound very good either.
>Mark Hamill de-aged/whatever
Just recast him. Dude didn't have the leading man look anyway.
You know the dialogue in Kingdom of Heaven with Orlando Bloom? bring it down that kind of level, focus on an apprentice learning from a Sith and its pretty much just lore into the world of the dark side.
Unfortunately, disney is too reliantly on quippy dialogue and comedic relief they'd never try a real kino-effort take.
Say "my bad, ignore the last decade" and just adapt the EU for the next 100 years
Any old republic comics worth reading? I'm particularly interested in Sith stories
I know most people would disagree, but it would honestly be pretty easy to salvage star wars. Just do a few quality, standalone movies or shows. The Jedi Apprentice or Rogue Squadron books would be good source material, or I guess inspiration would be a better word. An adventure of the week series starring a master and apprentice could be a big hit if the two characters were compelling enough, and a war drama a la Band of Brothers about the Rebellion pushing back the Empire system by system and becoming the new dominant power in the galaxy would be pure kino.
But of course they would never do this. Star Wars could be fixed, but it won't be because it's just not in good hands.
>doomed forever
>How do they fix it?
Two words: Slave. Jenny.
Her pale white skin is delicious, I want her to wrap her legs around me
Disney spoiled the brand. It used to be universally acclaimed, now there is just division and culture war. Star wars ended with the scene in pic related anyway, so no loss. I'm just pissed that I have the image of hobo Luke drinking disgusting green alien tittymilk branded inside my brain
based humiliation rituals
your heroes must not just be killed but humiliated in front of you first
>Disney spoiled the brand. It used to be universally acclaimed
no
we don't need to rewrite history like this just to shit on disney man
Understanding why people like it would go a long way to fixing it. Then understanding Lucas visual style as a director is another. Followed by writing that evolves past the pablum.
Werner Herzog should be heeded in his description of Star Wars, and begin to understand the weight and it’s worth the of what Star Wars means.
A space fairy tale, heavy on wonder and excitement, with a clear good vs evil message and actual heroes in the real sense of heroism, ie moral exemplars that you'd do well to emulate, as opposed to modern film "heroes" who are mostly just sociopaths who we're supposed to cheer because the horrible things they do are to Bad People (John Wick, James Bond etc)
>as opposed to modern film "heroes" who are mostly just sociopaths who we're supposed to cheer because the horrible things they do are to Bad People (John Wick, James Bond etc)
It's much more true to life though.
>It's much more true to life though.
Maybe, but there's also not glowing swords and magic and huge space battles in real life either. Maybe people would like to see cool stuff that doesn't happen in real life plus people who are better looking than real life people who are also morally better than real life people, and that's a good formula for an epic movie.
The weird thing is that when real life people do heroic stuff, charging into burning buildings to save strangers or whatever, there's news stories about it, because that really is the sort of stuff people want to see and hear about. All the studios have to do is write it! But they refuse.
Shouldn't be a series. In reality it ended in 1983, even if the last part was rather mediocre.
I agree. I like bits and pieces of the EU but not enough of it to care. The prequels and sequels are awful. Just let it go.
Jarjar Binks wakes up from his dream. The prequels and everything after The Empire Strikes Back is revealed to be fantasy. People today forget that Ewoks were the beginning of the end. But now Ewoks are just a figment of Jarjar's imagination. Jarjar is Boba Fett's fantasy persona. That's who he is in his dreams. Real Star Wars starts here.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Who cares? Now we have the superior Dune.
Showed a screenshot of this OP to my friend, huge Star Wars fan, and asked him "well?" and he said "fix what?". How do i respond without sounding mad ?
Retcons or prequels. The current universe has been shat on way beyond saving.
Either change core events or go to an era where they aren't relevant.
That being said, all I hope is they don't try to repeat the original trilogy's genres.
Meaning not another action-adventure hero's journey.
Disney tried doing this and its the exact reason it flopped. Too similar to the original and not even making it better.
disney's best chance for nonshit starswars is to let it be made by hired mercenaries instead of lucasfilm's main guys. lucasfilm's main guys make kenobi and the sequels, mercenaries make andor and the cal kestis games
1. Fire Kathleen Kennedey and all others of her kind
2. Acknoweldge that you made mistakes, explain what those mistakes were (wokeness, feminism, etc.) and condem those who made the mistakes and vow to do better going forward
3. Going forward, ADVERTISE future Star Wars content as being "all white" and let your producers and film crew PROUDLY declare that no non-whites were involved in the production of the movies. Make jokes about how the only women involved are just there to make sandwiches.
4. Do NOT release any kind of Star Wars content for at least another 5 years and Remove the Sequel triology, as well as all TV shows and Rogue one from all streaming services and stop the sale of the movies entirely. Offer a money-back program to anyone who sends back their physical copies of any Disney Star Wars product, so that they can be destroyed.
5. Write movies that are not only not woke or feminist but that are actively anti-woke and anti-feminist.
>Or is it doomed forever?
We'll see in a few years when Rey's New Jedi Order film comes out.
Does anyone have any stats for the shows? I know that "The Mandalorian" is very popular, but what about the other shows?
>Does anyone have any stats for the shows? I know that "The Mandalorian" is very popular, but what about the other shows?
Who cares? They're not making any money anyway.
The ST movies are just so fricking bad. I can live with the up and down quality of the shows because it's been like that since before Disney but those fricking movies are so goddamn bad.
The reality about Star Wars is that it was never more than a decent sci fantasy story, that captured the attention and autism of tons of young people when it came out because it was a forerunner for the genre. Same as Star Trek. There was never anything amazing about it, really. Just a unique setting.
Then somehow it got inflated into the best thing ever, likely thanks to Lucas's israelite-tier shilling of the prequels. Was that the first time a Hollywood franchise got shilled that bad? Anyway, ever since, the franchise has been all about appealing to every human being under the sun. That, plus the fact that the series was never that great to begin with, meant it was rushed into a grave from then onwards.
>Was that the first time a Hollywood franchise got shilled that bad?
Star Wars isn't Hollwood. From Empire to Revenge, they were indie films funded by Lucas. Disney Wars is 100% Hollywood though.
Star Trek had much more interesting writing, but on the surface was seen as being lame
>Same as Star Trek.
Star Trek is influential but it's not like it was entirely unprecedented. A number of Outer Limits episodes could be tweaked into Star Trek episodes without too much hassle. Forbidden Planet is essentially a feature length Star Trek episode before Star Trek. What makes Star Trek lasting is that it's a great show. So too for the Star Wars OT (give or take RotJ).
Hire the Fallout director. Yes yes I know I'm a genius. >:3
the prequel era was worse than it is now
Absolutely not.
yuh uh zoomer
Frick off, old frick.
adapt the expanded universe novels and retcon disney wars
>How do they fix it? Or is it doomed forever?
Honestly: Only way is to consider all Disney Wars non-canon and use their money to basically just bring the old EU to the screen. Not everything of course, but there are loads of SW books that blow the fricking Disney shit out of the water.
Fire Kathleen Kennedy.
Anonymous sources at Disney say it's going to be any day now.
Sell it back to George, make the sequels non canon, and let George's original sequel trilogy become the new canon
Nope
>let's repeat all the things that made the new trilogy shit
>more women
>more woke
>sheboon director who only cares about putting in women and nogs
What could possibly go wrong?
Don't forget the undisguised loathing these people have for the original audience.
Star Wars had 2 good movies and then muppets won in guerrilla warfare against an Empire. Then there were midichlorians and then somehow Palpatine returned. Just accept that it was never really good except for the video games.
>is the best protagonist/antagonist ever in nu-canon
Slopsoka and Shitolorian have nothing on him
He will SAVE star wars
He was only interesting while he was with the Empire. Him being a generic rebel kills the point of the character.
Name 1(ONE) ex-imperial Rebel. I'm waiting.
Anything before The Phantom Menace and after The Revenge of the Sith doesn't exist.
Agreed. Like its inspirations, the OT has not aged well due to later works building on its formula and making the former obsolete. It's why the John Carter film never got its dues, because plenty other works already did it but better and bigger.
That's why a hypothetical OT reboot would need to change things rather than rehash the original story, because the OT's story is just too old hat to jive with future generations. The bones are fine, but it needs more meat and more spice to make it a meaningful watch.
Honestly, the only way to salvage SW, is to remake the sequel trilogy. What needs to happen, is to acknowledge the first iteration, as a dream. Rey wakes up and retraces her steps recalling the dream of the sequel trilogy. This makes the trilogy work as a shitty dream callback, while the new sequel trilogy fixes what went wrong. It’s literally the only way SW can be salvaged. There are so many sequences that only make sense if it had happened in a dream, so much nonsense. Let the sequel trilogy work as a guide for the new one.
>What needs to happen, is to acknowledge the first iteration, as a dream
There's no need to acknowledge it. Enough with this autism. Just ignore it like every other franchise does. You don't need a whole movie or scene to explain why things are different, they just are.
Fix what? There are three original Star Wars movies, three crappy sequels and a bunch of bullshit globalist propaganda pieces made by Disney.
You know that you don't have to consume this new bullshit just because you liked these movies from the 80's right? It has literally zero connection to the original material or its creators, if I make a Star Wars movie and it's just me sitting around in my pyjamas playing Vidya would you still buy it because it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it?
>if I make a Star Wars movie and it's just me sitting around in my pyjamas playing Vidya would you still buy it because it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it?
It wouldn't make any money, that's for sure.
Does anyone really want them to fix it? Disney has already moved on to Doctor Who?
>Luke and Leia hook up at Hoth which gets her pregnant.
>Said pregnancy causes a great disturbance in the Force which is noticed by Yoda and Sidious.
>Luke sense Leia's pregnant and as a result, refuses to go to Dagobah.
>Obi-Wan pleads with him to go, but Luke refuses after finding out that Jedi aren't allowed to love and have families.
>Sidious gets a hold of Luke and takes him to the Jedi Temple.
>There, he shows him a vision of Vader killing the younglings.
>Luke realizes that Vader is his father.
>Luke chooses to become a Sith to gain all the resources and power he needs to find and protect Leia and their unborn child.
>Sidious makes Luke his new apprentice and orders him to kill Vader.
>Vader escapes and becomes Anakin once more to save his son.
>Boba Fett captures Leia and Han.
>Leia escapes and is found by Obi-Wan.
>Obi-Wan has given up on Luke and instead trains Leia to become a Jedi.
>She sets out to rescue Han, but is intercepted by Boba Fett
>Turns out, Lando hired him to bring her back to the rebel base.
>She's not going anywhere without Han, so he helps her break him out.
>Han's about to die by a miniature Death Star laser until Leia uses the dark side to destroy it.
>She gets knocked out by the power and Han holds her.
>Luke finds them and instantly gets jealous.
>He force chokes Han but stops himself.
>Luke takes Leia to Yavin where they could be alone and away from everything.
>He tells her she's pregnant and the two spend some time there.
>Boba Fett shows up and tells her that Luke's bad news and that she needs to leave.
>Leia finds out Luke is a Sith, but he tells her it's all just temporary and he could overthrow the Emperor, that they'll rule the galaxy together.
>Leia escapes with Boba Fett back to the rebel base.
>Anakin goes to Dagobah and tells Yoda and Obi-Wan that the great disturbance was the conception of Luke and Leia's child.
>Yoda and Obi-Wan freak out and tell Anakin that Leia is his daughter.
>Anakin blows up at them for enabling all this to happen, for separating them at birth in the first place.
>Anakin decides that the best way to fix this is to ensure that his kids get away from all this and live peacefully in Naboo.
>Leia swears to save Luke and restart the Jedi Order.
>Luke swears to use his new powers to find Leia at any cost.
>Anakin confronts the Emperor, ready to fulfill his destiny and save his children.
>Luke and Leia hook up at Hoth which gets her pregnant.
They don't have the balls.
We need to gas all Star Wars fans.
This won't fix Star Wars. Star Wars is fricked beyond repair. But we still need to gas every last Star Wars fan.
I moved on to Rebel Moon, sirs. I very much suggest you all do the same and have a good morning.