>Most mangaka has its own assistant
Not really, most mangaka work on their own.
The highly-paid ones who can afford to hire assistants are not the norm.
Miura's assistants did something like 9% of the work.
Only the best selling mangakas have assistants, mangaka is a poorly paid profession
>Most mangaka has its own assistant
Not really, most mangaka work on their own.
The highly-paid ones who can afford to hire assistants are not the norm.
nah bro how most assisstants tell it they usually are like a intern most people seem to assist for mangakas while waiting for there manga to take off it's like being a painting assistant you rarely really paint unless the painter makes a huge piece you mostly just prime canvas and mix and put away paint it's the same with mangaka they mostly do lettering and help with scanning and transferring to digital and getting rid of the scan errors it's rare they do something like actually draw a whole page or let alone plan a page mangakas are worked hard they really do it all themselves 9 times out of ten
It varies, I'm pretty sure most of the backgrounds with the big elaborate cityscapes in Akira were done by an assistant while Otomo did the characters.
Being an assistant can be a whole career in itself if you really specialize in one thing like really badass screen tones or hyper realistic backgrounds
I've heard that the process for comic book production is overly complicated but ffs is it really THIS bad? A writer/artist duo is already prone to issues considering the extremely delicate dance that's performed between written word and illustration for a comic to properly utilize it's unique way of storytelling, and then you go and make it even MORE superfluous by divvying up the artist aspect into pencillers, inkers, and colorists, each of which is important enough that just one of them being shit at their job could completely squander the talent of the others; I'll also just assume that letters are some form of grunt work for interns, along with maybe some inking as well. This doesn't even mention the hit or miss nature of editors as well, and i bet the cherry on top is that a sizeable amount of these guys work away from each other also. This is like when screenplays for movies get passed around to so many writers/directors that the end result is a messy amalgamation of multiple different people's wildly differing writing styles/ideas. I've never heard of this in manga, anytime assistants are involved they're relegated to grunt work like backgrounds and tones, even then they're probably working side-by-side with the author since Japan is super anal about bonds between coworkers.
I'm intrigued at what kind of context makes a full page of a character gushing about lesbians in the clunkiest and most reader-appellate way possible "good"
homie, this shit was storytimed to hell and back. Frick, anons went and fricking storytimed this abomination to derail random threads. Everyone knows about the Bobby Hill-looking author self-insert in page one, everyone knows about the "White Energy being" killed with "a brown fist", everyone knows about the interdimensional chicano university named after some chicano supreme justice, everyone knows about the Holy Mestruation, everyone knows about the author self-insert no. 2 and her Fifth Element-themed dance squad. And that's just from first issue. Only newbies that came after Multiverse of Wanda are ignorant of this... thing. Everyone knows about that anon that send a joke letter and got it published making a complete fool of marvel.
Don't remember the full letter (it ended up becoming a sticky) but basically anon said "he and his group of friends (aka. Cinemaphile) enjoy it as much as The Room" or something like that.
Good lord this is literally like a talking heads strip
What's the fricking point in a visual medium if you're just gonna tell instead of show 90% of the time anyway
I think the difference is that Manga is more *consistent* when it's moronic, since you don't have situations where a character is being written by one competent writer in one story, then written by an absolute ponce who doesn't understand them in another story, often happening concurrently with one another. If a manga is moronic it all comes down to one person's brand of lunacy.
>I think the difference is that Manga is more *consistent* when it's moronic, since you don't have situations where a character is being written by one competent writer in one story, then written by an absolute ponce who doesn't understand them in another story, often happening concurrently with one another. If a manga is moronic it all comes down to one person's brand of lunacy.
You might be on to something there.
This right here.
Being moronic in a fun way is FAAAR more interesting than just being moronic in a moronic way.
It's why something like Ajin is so great, it's basically just an 80s action movie in manga form.
Even on the comic side, Demon is also solidly in the "moronic-in-a-fun-way" camp, and that's what makes it great.
Nothing like a comic about a body-hopping immortal dude who escapes prison by slitting his own throat with a paper-mâché knife made with his dried cum.
This. As much as I generally loath most manga and anime I’ll still admit that Japan’s unashamedly sincere commitment to writing strange, dumb, fun stuff is what gives them the edge over every uncreative hack modern comic writer trying to be “ironic” and “subversive”.
One of the batgirl solo comics.
One of the main characters is a troony, she fricks black guys, and the main villain is some stereotypical "rich, white bro" (direct quote)
You tell him that "you will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."
I haven't read anything involving Gwenpool since Christopher Hastings was writing it, is this supposed to be taken completely seriously or was this presented as a fricking laughably moronic thing to say that the reader should be laughing at?
Because I really hope it's the latter.
Make each word of dialogue over an agreed limit deduct money from the writer's paycheck. Force the writers to understand the art of brevity (characters like Spider-Man and Deadpool are exempt).
Better pay and royalties for things you create.
No good writers are going to write for Marvel or DC long-term. They pay like shit and you own nothing you create. If you want to do comics, you'll go to some creator-owned imprint, but usually they'll write in some other medium.
Additionally, Marvel and DC's parent companies need to shell out the money to have a robust editorial department again. People whose job it is to pour over a book and say "how can we make this the very best version of what you're trying to do?" But again, that would require more money.
You get what you pay for.
Start writing comics to appeal exclusively to straight males ages 8 to 16 again. For two main reasons first being because that was when comics used to be good. The moment they tried to appeal to "serious adult collectors" the comics got too self-serious and stopped being fun, and then after that when they tried appealing to everyone else (read women) they lost their focus and identity.
The second is it will piss off women who endlessly complain about inclusivity, yet seem to think it's fine to have a focused space for specific groups that no-one else is allowed to join (women only, minority only, gay only, trans only) but the second you say you want to make something specifically for straight, white males only, then it becomes a problem.
Also the art is better than what is in OP's image. It's like Ramon Villalobos thought "How can I draw so it looks like Frank Quietly's art, but even more shit?"
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this application of WORDSWORDSWORDS, because it's a roll call in a single panel.
"here is every character you need to know, and here's what they do. congrats gay, you're now all caught up."
That is significantly different than "here is my master's thesis on why penises can be feminine".
Why would anybody be horrified at this? Have you never seen Ren and Stimpy or Looney Tunes? This is what self serious and pretentious capeshit does to a MF.
Oh, I would pay money to see the first day on the job when he has all the writers come in to his office for a little talk
And them staggering out again like beaten dogs
You tell him that "you will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."
broke marvel and dc, share copyrights between creator and studio, value independent creators, stop gatekeep on what half a dozen homosexual... as long as comics are synonymous with decades old franchises nothing will ever change, because at the end of the day no matter how well be the comic, you'll have to suck DC or Marvel
Hire good writers who like comics and aren't grifters groomers and hacks looking for avway into hollywierd. Oh and government agents who's task us to destroy heroes positive ideals and sew discord and a sense of helplessness and self hatred.
See, that would be good writing. We get that Kate's lonely and jealous. No need for a rant about how great lesbians are. Plus the line itself is kinda cute.
The point the writer was trying to make is that lesbians are amazing and great and pretty and amazing and we should all be literally intrigued and in awe of them. Aren't lesbians the best?
PS: If you don't think that's good writing, I'll call you a homophobe on twitter
>The matriarch of the bonobo clan summons her kin through a distinct hooting call. Every bonobo has its own distinct call, recognizable to its kin immediately.
This.
This would fix so much terrible, awful dialogue if writers were forced to read the dialogue they've written in a room of 20 randomly-selected people.
>the two girls would be out of sight by her end of the first sentence >made one of the girls look like the most stereotypical sheboon ever >that fricking car
This will never not be funny
Make it manga style, as in 1 man writes and draws everything.
This would solve the woke moron problem, since none of them will put in the time to actually learn how to draw.
>woke moron
Confirmed for knowing fricking nothing.
>as in 1 man writes and draws everything.
Most mangaka has its own assistant
Example: miura sensei
Miura's assistants did something like 9% of the work.
Only the best selling mangakas have assistants, mangaka is a poorly paid profession
>Most mangaka has its own assistant
Not really, most mangaka work on their own.
The highly-paid ones who can afford to hire assistants are not the norm.
>miura sensei
kys
nah bro how most assisstants tell it they usually are like a intern most people seem to assist for mangakas while waiting for there manga to take off it's like being a painting assistant you rarely really paint unless the painter makes a huge piece you mostly just prime canvas and mix and put away paint it's the same with mangaka they mostly do lettering and help with scanning and transferring to digital and getting rid of the scan errors it's rare they do something like actually draw a whole page or let alone plan a page mangakas are worked hard they really do it all themselves 9 times out of ten
It varies, I'm pretty sure most of the backgrounds with the big elaborate cityscapes in Akira were done by an assistant while Otomo did the characters.
Being an assistant can be a whole career in itself if you really specialize in one thing like really badass screen tones or hyper realistic backgrounds
I've heard that the process for comic book production is overly complicated but ffs is it really THIS bad? A writer/artist duo is already prone to issues considering the extremely delicate dance that's performed between written word and illustration for a comic to properly utilize it's unique way of storytelling, and then you go and make it even MORE superfluous by divvying up the artist aspect into pencillers, inkers, and colorists, each of which is important enough that just one of them being shit at their job could completely squander the talent of the others; I'll also just assume that letters are some form of grunt work for interns, along with maybe some inking as well. This doesn't even mention the hit or miss nature of editors as well, and i bet the cherry on top is that a sizeable amount of these guys work away from each other also. This is like when screenplays for movies get passed around to so many writers/directors that the end result is a messy amalgamation of multiple different people's wildly differing writing styles/ideas. I've never heard of this in manga, anytime assistants are involved they're relegated to grunt work like backgrounds and tones, even then they're probably working side-by-side with the author since Japan is super anal about bonds between coworkers.
Did you actually read this comic or are you just posting this panel for the millionth time because it triggers you?
Because if you read it, surely you have complaints.
>I'm literally intrigued
Not OP, but the writing is REALLY bad. Objectively bad.
I don't doubt it, I do however doubt whether OP knows what he's complaining about.
>my interest is proverbially piqued
I'm intrigued at what kind of context makes a full page of a character gushing about lesbians in the clunkiest and most reader-appellate way possible "good"
Sure, I bet this panel definitively doesn't makes justice to the whole context and its actually a perfectly good comic
America is a SoP staple so almost everybody on this board has read it.
Always the brides best archer and never the archer bride X'D
homie, this shit was storytimed to hell and back. Frick, anons went and fricking storytimed this abomination to derail random threads. Everyone knows about the Bobby Hill-looking author self-insert in page one, everyone knows about the "White Energy being" killed with "a brown fist", everyone knows about the interdimensional chicano university named after some chicano supreme justice, everyone knows about the Holy Mestruation, everyone knows about the author self-insert no. 2 and her Fifth Element-themed dance squad. And that's just from first issue. Only newbies that came after Multiverse of Wanda are ignorant of this... thing.
Everyone knows about that anon that send a joke letter and got it published making a complete fool of marvel.
>"White Energy being" killed with "a brown fist"
But anon, that only worked because white is the absence of color!
>"White Energy being" killed with "a brown fist"
Holy based, I need to read this comic
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/124626036/#124626036
Here, knock yourself
Five. Somehow this lasted twelve issues
>Let's give her a little bit of the brown fist!
Holy shit anon thank you, this is even better than I thought it'd be
What was the joke letter ?
Don't remember the full letter (it ended up becoming a sticky) but basically anon said "he and his group of friends (aka. Cinemaphile) enjoy it as much as The Room" or something like that.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/95000647/#95000647
Is actually surprising how little sticked posts this board has
comic book writing is mostly fine if you ignore superhero comics
>First of all, I'm a black woman surfing champion who also runs her own successful small business in America.
Good lord this is literally like a talking heads strip
What's the fricking point in a visual medium if you're just gonna tell instead of show 90% of the time anyway
basically the "left cant meme" joke with them always writing paragraphs
I wonder why manga sells several times as much as comics it's a mystery
Hot girls, mostly. The writing in manga isn't in anyway better. In fact, it can get down right moronic.
I think the difference is that Manga is more *consistent* when it's moronic, since you don't have situations where a character is being written by one competent writer in one story, then written by an absolute ponce who doesn't understand them in another story, often happening concurrently with one another. If a manga is moronic it all comes down to one person's brand of lunacy.
>I think the difference is that Manga is more *consistent* when it's moronic, since you don't have situations where a character is being written by one competent writer in one story, then written by an absolute ponce who doesn't understand them in another story, often happening concurrently with one another. If a manga is moronic it all comes down to one person's brand of lunacy.
You might be on to something there.
Manga is moronic for fun reasons. Comics are moronic for moronic reasons. Clearly leading to very different outcomes.
This right here.
Being moronic in a fun way is FAAAR more interesting than just being moronic in a moronic way.
It's why something like Ajin is so great, it's basically just an 80s action movie in manga form.
Even on the comic side, Demon is also solidly in the "moronic-in-a-fun-way" camp, and that's what makes it great.
Nothing like a comic about a body-hopping immortal dude who escapes prison by slitting his own throat with a paper-mâché knife made with his dried cum.
This. As much as I generally loath most manga and anime I’ll still admit that Japan’s unashamedly sincere commitment to writing strange, dumb, fun stuff is what gives them the edge over every uncreative hack modern comic writer trying to be “ironic” and “subversive”.
I actually want to read this, that’s what comics are supposed to do you c-words
Holy frick I'm glad I switched over to DC
>Holy frick I'm glad I switched over to DC
I hope you're being ironic, they're just as bad.
>he misgendered me
man we've got it so good they literally have to look for reasons to be offended
also wtf is this from
One of the batgirl solo comics.
One of the main characters is a troony, she fricks black guys, and the main villain is some stereotypical "rich, white bro" (direct quote)
I don't know if you've noticed, but "rich, white bro" is 80% of the villains of the past 7 years.
No, usually it's "fat, balding businessman".
really activates the ol almonds
How do you misgender someone at fertility clinic?
You tell him that "you will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."
That's a long ass essay for some right wing opinions. I thought it was the left that couldn't meme.
I love how they’re looking at her like she just told them her mother is dying.
DC is garbage 2000 ad is the best
do (you)?
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: why aren't these authors breaking these speeches into more panels?
the saddest part is you can shoehorn this stuff in if you just DONT USE SO MANY WORDS
I haven't read anything involving Gwenpool since Christopher Hastings was writing it, is this supposed to be taken completely seriously or was this presented as a fricking laughably moronic thing to say that the reader should be laughing at?
Because I really hope it's the latter.
>first of all
And second of all? What was the second thing you had to say?
Make each word of dialogue over an agreed limit deduct money from the writer's paycheck. Force the writers to understand the art of brevity (characters like Spider-Man and Deadpool are exempt).
Gabby's got a severe white girl fetish, so I'm always surprised here that she's rescuing a black chick.
Gabby IS a white girl.
Well, woman. She's 40.
She larps as a latina chick though.
Pardon me, I mean a "latinx person".
People LARPing as a so called minority for the grift and clout is hoe l of these sociopathic scumbags get their bag.
Better pay and royalties for things you create.
No good writers are going to write for Marvel or DC long-term. They pay like shit and you own nothing you create. If you want to do comics, you'll go to some creator-owned imprint, but usually they'll write in some other medium.
Additionally, Marvel and DC's parent companies need to shell out the money to have a robust editorial department again. People whose job it is to pour over a book and say "how can we make this the very best version of what you're trying to do?" But again, that would require more money.
You get what you pay for.
Start writing comics to appeal exclusively to straight males ages 8 to 16 again. For two main reasons first being because that was when comics used to be good. The moment they tried to appeal to "serious adult collectors" the comics got too self-serious and stopped being fun, and then after that when they tried appealing to everyone else (read women) they lost their focus and identity.
The second is it will piss off women who endlessly complain about inclusivity, yet seem to think it's fine to have a focused space for specific groups that no-one else is allowed to join (women only, minority only, gay only, trans only) but the second you say you want to make something specifically for straight, white males only, then it becomes a problem.
>Start writing comics to appeal exclusively to straight males ages 8 to 16 again.
IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL IS IT STEVE
I meam, this was a blatant toy commercial. Not the best example.
Yet that wall of text is still easier to read than "I'm literally intrigued and in awe of both of them."
Also the art is better than what is in OP's image. It's like Ramon Villalobos thought "How can I draw so it looks like Frank Quietly's art, but even more shit?"
I know it's dumb but I love this
Early Marvel Transformers reads like something from the dawn of creation.
I mean it was the first Transformers fiction ever. It was unaffected by anything. It was like walking in Eden: everything was new
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this application of WORDSWORDSWORDS, because it's a roll call in a single panel.
"here is every character you need to know, and here's what they do. congrats gay, you're now all caught up."
That is significantly different than "here is my master's thesis on why penises can be feminine".
Well they never hired her again so that's a thing.
Make a bunch of clones of Alan Moore and make them write anything.
Fire all gays, loud Democrat voters and women. There, fixed.
Yeah! At least we'll still have Jason Aaron, Donny Cates and Christopher Carntwell!
I want to die!
Well, Satan - it's basically twelve issues of that. Quality is consistent. It is mindbendingly bad.
Is that some kind of joke?
You could have just said Twitter users
Corporate owned IP encourages shit writing while being paid good.
Easy.
Holy frick
>Dog Man is a comic masterclass, perfect for the surreal sense of humour of the average six- to nine-year-old
That's horrifying
i prefer another dog man
although that thing can hardly be called a man
dog homie rather
Why would anybody be horrified at this? Have you never seen Ren and Stimpy or Looney Tunes? This is what self serious and pretentious capeshit does to a MF.
Make her frick Carol and make her a footgay
Fire blue hairs, hire fat neckbeards.
This goes for writers as well as editors.
Bring back Jim Shooter.
Ban Twitter
>Bring back Jim Shooter.
THIS
Oh, I would pay money to see the first day on the job when he has all the writers come in to his office for a little talk
And them staggering out again like beaten dogs
Yup, that'll do it
Rivera hasn't written a mainstream comic since, there's a reason for that.
Stop hiring people that only read comics and get actual writters.
Then you'd miss out on Mark Waid, Johns and other hacks that Cinemaphile loves.
broke marvel and dc, share copyrights between creator and studio, value independent creators, stop gatekeep on what half a dozen homosexual... as long as comics are synonymous with decades old franchises nothing will ever change, because at the end of the day no matter how well be the comic, you'll have to suck DC or Marvel
Holocaust 2: Zyklon Boogaloo
Hire good writers who like comics and aren't grifters groomers and hacks looking for avway into hollywierd. Oh and government agents who's task us to destroy heroes positive ideals and sew discord and a sense of helplessness and self hatred.
>Artists cannot write, with few exceptions.
Most writers can't write either, so it's kind of a moot point.
Seems fine to me just stop reading the big two. America isn't the be all end all of comic books. Go read Major Grom.
hire writers rather than minority tick boxes
This entire debacle proves the old saying.
"Bulldykes are only good for balls deep hatefricking and being breeding sows"
-Theodore Roosevelt
See, that would be good writing. We get that Kate's lonely and jealous. No need for a rant about how great lesbians are. Plus the line itself is kinda cute.
Why would she look at lesbians and get lonely and horny?
The point the writer was trying to make is that lesbians are amazing and great and pretty and amazing and we should all be literally intrigued and in awe of them. Aren't lesbians the best?
PS: If you don't think that's good writing, I'll call you a homophobe on twitter
All lesbians? What about the ones that are men? Translesbians are the best too right?
Too Short
Lol
nice Thog
Okay, whats the actual name of this comic ?
>The matriarch of the bonobo clan summons her kin through a distinct hooting call. Every bonobo has its own distinct call, recognizable to its kin immediately.
Seriously, what issue are these panels from ?
Finally found it. America (2017)
Generic ass name.
Also heres the storytime thread people did of it.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/98834732/
Stop letting the people who are egotistical bullies write stories about themselves.
anyone have that comic where they explain 'latinx' as a concept
Enjoy!
Is that a white girl explaining telling a hispanic person she's saying it wrong?
Yep.
Very inclusive!
>the woman explaining it is white, lecturing a hispanic woman on it
pottery
peanut head ass..
words words words words words
The writer must be able to read out their dialogue in front of a room of at least 10 people
This.
This would fix so much terrible, awful dialogue if writers were forced to read the dialogue they've written in a room of 20 randomly-selected people.
>the two girls would be out of sight by her end of the first sentence
>made one of the girls look like the most stereotypical sheboon ever
>that fricking car
This will never not be funny