Who cares, their movies were always just a tech demo in advances in 3d for investors and now that we reach the heigh of film cgi they're no longer needed.
>Who cares, their movies were always just a tech demo in advances in 3d for investors and now that we reach the heigh of film cgi they're no longer needed.
This. I'm actually getting kinda bored with the hyper realistic animation paired with goofy as frick designs. There's no reason why a boring Buzz Lightyear movie cost more to make than Top Gun. It doesn't help they peaked with the writing in their movies years ago. They're all so predictable.
This. The fricking movies where never good but just to flex "these new fancy 3d graphics" reminds me of the fricking video game bit wars where companies where caring in the graphics rather on the game play which is why I think 3d films from pixar and Disney suck because they always advertise "look at these new graphics and how realistic it is and the enviroment-" if the story isn't good then the graphics doesn't mean jack shit!
>I pity Pixar
I don't. They had their chance to leave Disney and go independent (οr at least find a better producer to buy them) but they decided to stay instead because of their greediness.
Red
I can give you the other ones as a matter of personal taste, but no one likes turning red except contrarians and those on disney's payroll. Or maybe I should include the brainless in that list? But twitter was ragging on it to so maybe not
It was the final dorm of disney's decay. Art is shit corprate assembly line style, story is boring and unambitious because creativity is too hard, and people like you act as a defence force claiming people only don't like it because it's "woke", because countering people's criticisms is impossible as they're all objectively true.
I haven't watched it nor do I plan on watching it, but I've generally heard positive things from friends and family that watched it. Most of them were women though, so I assume in some regards, the story felt more relevant/relatable to them.
I'm sorry but you're not just going to hide behind the fact that Cinemaphile is a cesspool of autistic men in defense of Turning Red, which was a shit movie all around.
>It's a rehash of the second one
How? There is actual development to the story and the ending was touching as hell (and that comes from a person who never cried/shed tears with Lion King).
It actually just implies that Cars was made in Pixar's golden age, since Ratatouille (arguably their best film) and Wall-E (arguably their 3rd-best film) came directly after it.
I’m going to be upfront, I haven’t seen most of these. The ones I have seen were Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and Frozen
Those three are better than anything Pixar’s put out since Toy Story 3
>50-52
Pretty high quality, though WtP isn’t really the same kind of thing as everything else. Certainly better than Pixar at the time >53-55
Frozen and Zootopia got huge, but I think in retrospect the amount of attention and praise both received was overblown. BH6 is pretty shit aside from GoGo’s ass >56
Moana’s great. Best thing they’ve done on that list. Shining highpoint. If you’re going to watch anything do this. >57
RBtI is terrible. Shits on anything that made the original good and is mostly an insulting sponsored ad. The worst thing here >58-60
Mediocre films, and that’s a stretch for Raya. Encanto is the best of them, but taking like, 5 minutes to think about the story ruins it. But the animation is at least very pretty. By this point Pixar has been beating them for several years in terms of quality , though Lightyear is probably the end of that unless Disney’s next thing is another failure.
Overall - immediately after Disney was much better, but aside from Moana I think they’ve failed to keep that up. Pixar has less high highs, but they keep an average standard above that of Disney. However, even the films that I’m saying aren’t great have all been massively financially successful (and critically, but no shit Disney owns the critics) - frozen, zootopia, enchanto have had way more cultural impact despite being average films at best
>Best Disney
Moana
Tangled
Wreck-it-Ralph >Best Pixar
Coco
Luca
Inside-Out
Most of these threads are "it was a flop because I didn't like it" tbf. Disney in general is one of the more egregious topics on this board as most of the people on Cinemaphile don't realise that execs are looking for films that appeal to their core demographic of shiny-loving kids without stirring up shit with their parents/investors, not a bunch of 25+ year old unemployed men.
Monsters Inc., Incredibles, Coco, and arguably Ratatouille and Wall E are the only good Pixar movies. All others are Disney lite bullshit. Arguing otherwise is either being blinded by nostalgia or just having general shit taste tbh.
Barring Inside Out and Coco (TS3 should be the last one on The Golden Age, not where it is) what you have as “the decline” is a lot worse than “the decomposing corpse”.
Lightyear is the only real stinker in that section, even Onward is passable
>Wall-E, Up >Golden Age
Wall-E was the first Pixar film I remember outright thinking was boring shite it was the beginning of them relying on 'muh feels' instead of actually good storytelling UP just doubled down on it even more but had an even more nonsensical plot and had some cringiest attempts at humor ever.
Wall-E and UP are undeniably super creative and unique movies unlike literally everything made by Pixar after it other than Inside Out and Soul(and even soul is not that unique)
I resent this implication that quality declined linearly with release. And this grouping. Toy Story 3 was amazing, and no way is Inside Out on the same level as Cars 2 or fricking Good Dinosaur.
Hell, I'd watch Luca before I ever touch Monsters University or Finding Dory. At least it was a fresh IP.
This pic is surprisingly accurate although Coco is when they really start to use the the "generic self insert kid in generic adventure" like an anime studio
>What will it take for them to close?
Several heavily-promoted commercial flops in a row. Not sure how many. I can't be bothered to look at the public details of their finances to have a guess.
It'd be easier to make the go under if there was someone else doing this sort of film better, but the rest of Hollywood's creatively bankrupt too.
The first Cars was the start of the decline. That was such a mediocre paint by the numbers movie that completely felt like it was made to sell cheap toys.
The first Cars mostly stemmed from Lasseter's love for cars and Route 66 nostalgia so I'll give it a pass, but considering the merchandise bonanza that came after that movie the other two are obviously just made to print money for the other Pixar films.
>The first Cars was the start of the decline.
More like the last movie that felt like Pixar. >Selling toys is le bad
Money too spicy, those toys probably keep Pixar from closing due to 19 million dollar box office movies like Turning Red
Why is Toy Story 3 in the second row? I always thought of that as the end of the Golden Age (even fits with the themes of the movie) instead of the beginning of what came after.
It's not fair to call everything under the last part a decomposing corpse. The more nu-Pixar films are actually better than them trying to keep Toy Story on life support. Turning Red is polarizing but I loved it, Soul was a hit with certain cultures (like the Chinese, oddly enough), Luca I haven't seen but also haven't heard anything bad about. Just looks like Pixar's take on Ghibli.
I'll take some of those over Cars 2, Brave, and The Good Dinosaur any day.
>I'll take some of those over Cars 2, Brave, and The Good Dinosaur any day.
t b h even i'd take those over the current tv landscape, even if just for technical prowress.
Nothing. They're Disney, outside of an atomic bomb there's nothing that can stop their exec decisions, even if all their movies are shit. Plus, a lot of people like them despite what Cinemaphile says. I don't personally, but it's going to take a lot more than fans b***hing about it to get any change. Just need the right pitch and the right people at the right time.
They become a legacy brand for their old shit once everything starts bombing
Kind of like Hanna Barbera
Have Disney sell them or spin them off so they become independent again
The Disney buyout in 2006 was the worst thing to happen to Pixar. That and Joe Ranft dying.
It was going to shit long before that
We might start seeing that kind of thing soon.
Probably not Pixar right away though.
If Pixar keeps flopping they just might.
LOL Disney never sells anything. They'd just mothball the whole company and roll it into WDA.
>Have Disney sell them or spin them off so they become independent again
They will close it
Who cares, their movies were always just a tech demo in advances in 3d for investors and now that we reach the heigh of film cgi they're no longer needed.
damn you're right
>Who cares, their movies were always just a tech demo in advances in 3d for investors and now that we reach the heigh of film cgi they're no longer needed.
This. I'm actually getting kinda bored with the hyper realistic animation paired with goofy as frick designs. There's no reason why a boring Buzz Lightyear movie cost more to make than Top Gun. It doesn't help they peaked with the writing in their movies years ago. They're all so predictable.
This. The fricking movies where never good but just to flex "these new fancy 3d graphics" reminds me of the fricking video game bit wars where companies where caring in the graphics rather on the game play which is why I think 3d films from pixar and Disney suck because they always advertise "look at these new graphics and how realistic it is and the enviroment-" if the story isn't good then the graphics doesn't mean jack shit!
All 3d is inherently shite
Don't care how much trash they make from here on out, their first 10 or so films were kino and always will be
Skydance is the new Pixar.
I pity Pixar.
It's has been very clear in the last few years that they have been the victim of a bad relationship with Disney.
>I pity Pixar
I don't. They had their chance to leave Disney and go independent (οr at least find a better producer to buy them) but they decided to stay instead because of their greediness.
how else would they fund their in-house kitchen and chefs?
>They had their chance to leave Disney and go independent
when?
Soul, Luca and Turning Red were good
>>>>>
Red
I can give you the other ones as a matter of personal taste, but no one likes turning red except contrarians and those on disney's payroll. Or maybe I should include the brainless in that list? But twitter was ragging on it to so maybe not
How was it bad beyond you being triggered by cartoon twerking?
It was the final dorm of disney's decay. Art is shit corprate assembly line style, story is boring and unambitious because creativity is too hard, and people like you act as a defence force claiming people only don't like it because it's "woke", because countering people's criticisms is impossible as they're all objectively true.
I haven't watched it nor do I plan on watching it, but I've generally heard positive things from friends and family that watched it. Most of them were women though, so I assume in some regards, the story felt more relevant/relatable to them.
Cope homosexual. People liked the movie, get over it.
I didn’t like it
That's ok, I forgive you.
>How to say "I'm scared of women" without saying i'm scared of women
I keep forgetting im on Cinemaphile.
I'm sorry but you're not just going to hide behind the fact that Cinemaphile is a cesspool of autistic men in defense of Turning Red, which was a shit movie all around.
When they mentioned pads, I was literally shaking too anon. I peed and pooed my pants right there. It was awful. We'll get through this.
Mmm, no.
>Toy Story 3
>Decline
Are you high, homie? 3rd movie was a great conclusion for that great trilogy. Also the only good Pixar movies along with Wall-e.
>3rd movie was a great conclusion for that great trilogy.
It's a rehash of the second one
Cope
>It's a rehash of the second one
How? There is actual development to the story and the ending was touching as hell (and that comes from a person who never cried/shed tears with Lion King).
I'm not him, but this timestamped section of the YMS review summarizes the plot similarities perfectly.
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I remember enjoying Toy Story 3 also, and I enjoyed the closure it gave, but it's far from one of the best Pixar movies.
FINALLY I video talking about it, when I realized they are the exact same story I felt like I was going crazy due to no one realizing it.
That’s because everyone is a sheep while YMS is based and redpilled
>It's a rehash of the second one
Please explain. They’re literally nothing alike
There isn't any difference between then and now, you just got old.
>There isn't any difference between then and now, you just got old.
You are going to need a bigger bait
The only Pixar movie I've seen since Brave was Onward, and it was meh.
From the looks of it, it looks like I've missed nothing.
From all movies Pixar made after Brave, why this?
My nephew wanted to watch it.
Literally the only reason.
I'm tired of pretending Toy Story 3 wasn't good
This homosexual chart you made is flawed because it implies Cars is better than Toy Story 3
It actually just implies that Cars was made in Pixar's golden age, since Ratatouille (arguably their best film) and Wall-E (arguably their 3rd-best film) came directly after it.
>Ratatouille (arguably their best film)
wrong. Annoying characters
Here is what Disney itself has released since Toy Story 3 (2010).
How does it compare vs. Pixar during the same period?
I’m going to be upfront, I haven’t seen most of these. The ones I have seen were Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, and Frozen
Those three are better than anything Pixar’s put out since Toy Story 3
>50-52
Pretty high quality, though WtP isn’t really the same kind of thing as everything else. Certainly better than Pixar at the time
>53-55
Frozen and Zootopia got huge, but I think in retrospect the amount of attention and praise both received was overblown. BH6 is pretty shit aside from GoGo’s ass
>56
Moana’s great. Best thing they’ve done on that list. Shining highpoint. If you’re going to watch anything do this.
>57
RBtI is terrible. Shits on anything that made the original good and is mostly an insulting sponsored ad. The worst thing here
>58-60
Mediocre films, and that’s a stretch for Raya. Encanto is the best of them, but taking like, 5 minutes to think about the story ruins it. But the animation is at least very pretty. By this point Pixar has been beating them for several years in terms of quality , though Lightyear is probably the end of that unless Disney’s next thing is another failure.
Overall - immediately after Disney was much better, but aside from Moana I think they’ve failed to keep that up. Pixar has less high highs, but they keep an average standard above that of Disney. However, even the films that I’m saying aren’t great have all been massively financially successful (and critically, but no shit Disney owns the critics) - frozen, zootopia, enchanto have had way more cultural impact despite being average films at best
>Best Disney
Moana
Tangled
Wreck-it-Ralph
>Best Pixar
Coco
Luca
Inside-Out
A few of these BTFO Neo-Pixar (if we ignore the latest flops like Raya and Encanto)
was encanto a flop? i thought it was pretty popular
or is this another one of those "it was a flop because people in this board didn't like it"
Most of these threads are "it was a flop because I didn't like it" tbf. Disney in general is one of the more egregious topics on this board as most of the people on Cinemaphile don't realise that execs are looking for films that appeal to their core demographic of shiny-loving kids without stirring up shit with their parents/investors, not a bunch of 25+ year old unemployed men.
Monsters Inc., Incredibles, Coco, and arguably Ratatouille and Wall E are the only good Pixar movies. All others are Disney lite bullshit. Arguing otherwise is either being blinded by nostalgia or just having general shit taste tbh.
This, but replace Coco with Toy Story.
Disney sure as shit wasn't doing 3D CG cartoons back when Toy Story was made.
All subjective you boomer piece of shit.
>t. seething cars zoomie
We can't let it lose the shekels
The Decline is worse than The decomposing Corpse. Onward, Soul, Luca and Turning Red are all good movies. Toy Story 4 isn't bad, just pointless.
>Turning Red
Jake Long rip off
>Toy Story 4
Contradict the message of the previous movies
>Jake Long rip off
God I'd fricking kill for a third season.
Barring Inside Out and Coco (TS3 should be the last one on The Golden Age, not where it is) what you have as “the decline” is a lot worse than “the decomposing corpse”.
Lightyear is the only real stinker in that section, even Onward is passable
Nothing. You will continue to enjoy it. Now keep consuming and remember to vote Democratic in the mid-terms. It's what Lasseter would have wanted!
>Wall-E, Up
>Golden Age
Wall-E was the first Pixar film I remember outright thinking was boring shite it was the beginning of them relying on 'muh feels' instead of actually good storytelling UP just doubled down on it even more but had an even more nonsensical plot and had some cringiest attempts at humor ever.
Midwit
It goes to crap after they leave earth
Wall-E and UP are undeniably super creative and unique movies unlike literally everything made by Pixar after it other than Inside Out and Soul(and even soul is not that unique)
>i liked MU.
Toy Story 3 wasn't the decline, it was the end of the Golden Age.
You should watch every Pixar film up to Toy Story 3 (except Cars unless you really want to), then stop and never touch the rest.
third act of Monsters University and entirety of Inside Out are quality Pixar
I resent this implication that quality declined linearly with release. And this grouping. Toy Story 3 was amazing, and no way is Inside Out on the same level as Cars 2 or fricking Good Dinosaur.
Hell, I'd watch Luca before I ever touch Monsters University or Finding Dory. At least it was a fresh IP.
There are bumps of quality just like Cars was a bump of bad quality, but the overall trend is correct.
This pic is surprisingly accurate although Coco is when they really start to use the the "generic self insert kid in generic adventure" like an anime studio
Is this more 'go woke, go broke' bullshit?
>What will it take for them to close?
Several heavily-promoted commercial flops in a row. Not sure how many. I can't be bothered to look at the public details of their finances to have a guess.
It'd be easier to make the go under if there was someone else doing this sort of film better, but the rest of Hollywood's creatively bankrupt too.
Cars and Wall-E were generally shit movies. Coco and Soul are quite good.
>coco is better than wall-e
kys
The first Cars was the start of the decline. That was such a mediocre paint by the numbers movie that completely felt like it was made to sell cheap toys.
The first Cars mostly stemmed from Lasseter's love for cars and Route 66 nostalgia so I'll give it a pass, but considering the merchandise bonanza that came after that movie the other two are obviously just made to print money for the other Pixar films.
>The first Cars was the start of the decline.
More like the last movie that felt like Pixar.
>Selling toys is le bad
Money too spicy, those toys probably keep Pixar from closing due to 19 million dollar box office movies like Turning Red
opinions are like what again?
>Up
>Wall.e
Cringe, those movies were awful
The decomposing corpse starts at Cars 2
>OP
>i hate getting older
>i hate feelings
>i hate blacks
>i hate non-whites
>i hate women
>i hate gays
This. Why do people believe Pixar was ever good? Is it brainwashing or being paid off?
Why is Toy Story 3 in the second row? I always thought of that as the end of the Golden Age (even fits with the themes of the movie) instead of the beginning of what came after.
It sucked. YMS said so.
It's not fair to call everything under the last part a decomposing corpse. The more nu-Pixar films are actually better than them trying to keep Toy Story on life support. Turning Red is polarizing but I loved it, Soul was a hit with certain cultures (like the Chinese, oddly enough), Luca I haven't seen but also haven't heard anything bad about. Just looks like Pixar's take on Ghibli.
I'll take some of those over Cars 2, Brave, and The Good Dinosaur any day.
>I'll take some of those over Cars 2, Brave, and The Good Dinosaur any day.
t b h even i'd take those over the current tv landscape, even if just for technical prowress.
>Just looks like Pixar's take on Ghibli.
??
Nothing. They're Disney, outside of an atomic bomb there's nothing that can stop their exec decisions, even if all their movies are shit. Plus, a lot of people like them despite what Cinemaphile says. I don't personally, but it's going to take a lot more than fans b***hing about it to get any change. Just need the right pitch and the right people at the right time.
Just stop watching their movies lmao
Pixar movies are among the few modern animations I unironically enjoy, so I disagree.
i liked Cars 1 more than Ratatouille. Thought it had more warmth and entertainment value. Could've used a shorter runtime tho
PRIYA'S
TEENAGE
CHILD
BEARING
HIPS
I don't know or care what you morons are talking about. probably stupid culture war shit.
Now that I think about it, Up was the last Pixar movie I went out of my way to watch in theaters. Only ones on here I've seen after that I saw on TV