How do you feel about "subverting" and "deconstructing" cartoon tropes?
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How do you feel about "subverting" and "deconstructing" cartoon tropes?
I hate them because it results in characters undeserving or un-needing of redemption arcs getting redeemed even tho it actively destroys their core character motivations
People who worship ESG are in too deep with the whataboutism kool-aid they shouldn't be argued with they should be ignored, blacklisted and never allowed near this profession until time and reality falls to pieces
Whataboutism is the ultimate tool of the lefists. Things are the way they are for good reason
If the "subversion" is not better than the "non-subverted" thing, you did even worse than just doing what everybody already expected from you.
He's not entitled to pussy.
yes he is. he is a big aryan warrior
It can work, but many times it can feel like creators are doing it because that’s what they think they’re supposed to do. A good subversion can be fresh and interesting, but I’ll take something good and by-the-book over poorly thought out, compulsory subversion.
I tried to talk about this back when HBO's Watchmen was airing, and it was deleted for being too political.
The subversion is the new norm. A literary cliche from the victorian age would be more subversive these days than any deconstruction.
We reached dangerous high levels of what if "the good guys were the bad guys all along" that I started to enjoy the straightforward hero vs bad guy stories again.
TV Tropes was a mistake.
>TV Tropes was a mistake.
Zoomer gay here, what the frick is TV tropes?
This: https://tvtropes.org/
>gets link
>goes quite
Poor zoomer’s probably still in the rabbithole
Only when it’s for comedic purposes, like when South Park used to mock media by exaggerating them such as the Jonas brothers and Disney.
When done today sometimes it can still be good when it relates to something in the real world but when it tries to take a common trope in writing for a new spin then it’s not as one of a kind as the writers think and they expect to the audience to grace it with hours in YouTube essays on why it’s so great.
Subversion for the sake of subversion is moronic.
Subversion for the sake of telling a more unique but equally good (or just funny) story is cool.
The problem is bad writers that want something different so badly that any shitty nonsensical thing will do.
And like with most things, anime does it better. There's no shortage of anime cleverly trying to do something new, and most of them don't take themselves too seriously, which is good.
I don't think it's bad in itself. subverting and deconstructing tropes are tools just as the tropes themselves are. It can be done in good ways. it can be done in bad ways.
Also Finn needs to impregnate HW.
i feel like the millennial cathedral has been going on long enough so that it can be subverted itself.
for example, the "bad guy has backstory so everything they do is cool" idea, how about a villain that expect no pity of you, but also doesn't want any fricking pity. and tells you straight-up that it probably won't stop him.
Gay, or at least the way they’re normally done where instead of trying to tell a new and interesting story they just make it cynical horseshit that’s full of edgelord bait.
Is the Finn boy here is going to be ok?
To meaningfully do either, you have to intimately know and understand the "construct" first, and many writers are eager to skip that step.
Finn's arc was just your standard bildungsroman. It's not really a deconstruction of anything.
I like it when they deconstruct tropes I don't like
Good. The best stories deconstruct tropes.
it's fine and can be done well if not too ham-fisted
but it's even better if media leans into some tropes in a creative or clever way and is self-aware about it.
not necessarily subverting or deconstructing a trope, but having a trope appear in a unique way that assists in making the story more engaging.
tropes are tropes for a
reason, most of them are usually impactful events that are very effective at making an interesting story, because they are so effective they have been used by everybody and their mother and are a bit stale when used the same way.
tropes are fine if it's impactful enough that the story would be less without it, or if the trope is used in an original way/under strange circumstances.
I think some subversions and deconstructions have become so popular that they themselves have become tropes so it’d be nice to see these new tropes be deconstructed and subverted
Here's the thing. A good writer wouldn't do that. It is a great way to show the audience how moronic and poor one's writing is.
I'm all for it as long as it doesn't detract or distract from the story.
Deconstruction is a tool to achieve a good story.
If you deconstruct for the sake of deconstructing you're the same as ISIS; who broke shit because they are fanatics.
If you have an actual idea to express, something to explore through the deconstruction, go and fricking do it. If the hero ignores the "you'll be just like him" and kills the mass murderer, because the author wants to emphasize a more practical mindset, go ahead with it. Express yourself.