Sith recruit useful idiots to their cause by promising them that they can use the Dark Side to achieve some overall greater good. This is, of course, bullshit since power for its own sake is all the Dark Side is about. A useful idiot who realizes this and plays ball is worthy of becoming an apprentice. A useful idiot who doesn't realize this is discarded.
if you pay attention a little bit neither side is good, one side wants to control the universe with an iron fist, round table, state religion and emperors, the other side wants democracy but has no qualms with killing children.
The prequels are really bad but Dooku only turned to the dark side out of a sense of idealism, and the dark side twists what you want and desire into something horrible, often without you realizing it. Dooku hated corruption and lawlessness, and he hated how the order wasn't doing anything about it. Once he fell under Palpatine and to the dark side, he still believed he was right. The fact that he was right about it is what blinded him to how awful he otherwise was becoming and how the things he did were terrible and advancing someone else's goals and not him. The dark side makes you forget.
The biggest problem with the prequels was that George Lucas was unironically trying to do way too much with them. Each of the films would have needed to be 7-8 hours long to properly convey all the plot threads he was trying to weave together. That's why they ended up feeling so rushed and awkward, even though if you write out the basic narrative on paper they sound amazing.
The biggest problem with the prequels was that George Lucas was unironically trying to do way too much with them. Each of the films would have needed to be 7-8 hours long to properly convey all the plot threads he was trying to weave together. That's why they ended up feeling so rushed and awkward, even though if you write out the basic narrative on paper they sound amazing.
Dooku and Qui Gon should have been the same character.
Finding Anakin should have been a sequence in the first act of the first movie.
Then the first movie is Anakin and Obi Wan both being padawans under Qui Gon who is increasingly disillusioned and then is pulled to the dark side out of that kind of idealism. Then when he turns, Obi Wan is promoted and Anakin moved under his tutelage, making their grated relationship in 2 have more depth by seeing him as a contemporary given only a formal authority over him.
Then the lead up to the Clone Wars being the latter half of the first movie with the second being all out war would have been better and allowed a whole lot more being unpacked in the second movie to make the third feel less rushed
The biggest problem with the prequels was that George Lucas was unironically trying to do way too much with them. Each of the films would have needed to be 7-8 hours long to properly convey all the plot threads he was trying to weave together. That's why they ended up feeling so rushed and awkward, even though if you write out the basic narrative on paper they sound amazing.
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Dooku and Qui Gon should have been the same character.
Finding Anakin should have been a sequence in the first act of the first movie.
Then the first movie is Anakin and Obi Wan both being padawans under Qui Gon who is increasingly disillusioned and then is pulled to the dark side out of that kind of idealism. Then when he turns, Obi Wan is promoted and Anakin moved under his tutelage, making their grated relationship in 2 have more depth by seeing him as a contemporary given only a formal authority over him.
Then the lead up to the Clone Wars being the latter half of the first movie with the second being all out war would have been better and allowed a whole lot more being unpacked in the second movie to make the third feel less rushed
None of these rewrites are ever good. George new what he was doing.
Making Obi Anakin's age kills the central story element of Anakin choosing between the good father vs the father who offers him the quick fix.
George never had a plan. When they were shooting ANH, "Darth Vader" was literally his name and he really wasn't Luke's father, both of those things were made up when they were writing ESB
5 months ago
Anonymous
I love when you morons claim he didn't plan for him to be his father because of a random script for Empire. Wow, he didn't want the biggest plot twist in cinema to be leaked by a bunch of homosexual interns? Crazy, next you are going to tell me the German word for father being vater is just a coincidence and he didn't plan that, despite the numerous references to German history starting in a New Hope. The empire definitely wasn't modeled after the Third Reich, the fact their troops are literally called storm troopers was definitely just random, the storm troopers weapons on tatooine definitely weren't just MG-42s, Vader's design definitely isn't based on Nazi and Japanese war helmets. Totally all a coincidence and everyone at Lucas Film's is a hack and they just got lucky.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>vader >sidious >maul >tyrannus
no there's no pattern here at all, clearly this was planned all along because vader looks vaguely similar to vatar (is not pronounced remotely similarly btw)
5 months ago
Anonymous
Vader is literally dutch for father.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's also short for invader moron.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>there can't be more than one meaning to a name
You have the mind of an enslaved moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
sounds like you want to be in vader, buddy
5 months ago
Anonymous
NOOO SHUT UP CHUD, LUCAS IS A HACK FRAUD AND RLM PROVED IT
5 months ago
Anonymous
>sidious wasn't named in the original movie >maul wasn't in the original >tyranaus wasn't in the original
Wow! Totally a completely logical argument, definitely not completely moronic! There is a scene in a new hope where Luke asks about his father and his connection with obi wan, and Lars tells him not to think about it and gives Luke's aunt a stern look. Sorry Red Letter Media rotted your brain
I never said he murdered them randomly. Palpatine's set up the military to be corrupt, on purpose, so there's usually at least one loser who's failed upwards into Vader's force choke on a weekly basis.
This is honestly the only scene the prequels undeniably ruined. There is no way for a man of Motti's age and his position in the Imperial ranks to think the force/jedi were a myth. You can't tell me that's the case when just under 20 years prior there were some hundred or thousand jedi all over the place and the Emperor's inaugural speech is 90% about turning them into bloody paste. I love those movies to death but there is simply no way to reconcile this.
Why wouldn't he? Jedi fricked everything up according to the propaganda. He'd probably never seen one other than Vader. Vader by that point was indeed some weirdo dinosaur.
The prequels should have had the Jedi already in a state of decline and the Clone Wars were the final nail in the coffin instead of the Jedi being at the peak of their influence and just getting killed en masse over the course of a single day.
I like to compare it to the headphone jack. It was a ubiquitous feature in smartphones for over a decade. Now it's been largely phased out by the major players within the industry while slapping on the narrative that it's old and worthless, and how nobody needs nor wants it. It's not even been a decade, yet I bet the general attitude towards this feature is exactly the same as Motti's attitude towards the Force. Now extrapolate this scenario to a galaxy. It only seems unbelievable because we're still thinking within the confides of our singular planet.
absolute nonsense
event if you just go by prequel logic. he sees and listens to countless council members and collegues
there's a reason it was a council
>One of the most powerful Jedi looks at the big picture and refuses to focus on these micro-aggressions
it's such a stupid argument from the beginning that it doesn't even warrant a response
Approximately how many more weeks would it have been until Yoda got off his ass and fixed the Senate that had done nothing but get worse and worse for 800 straight years?
>Obi-Wan, I need your help, a literal Satanist is secretly influencing the Republic! >My plan to stop him, why, helping him install himself as dictator of course!
Prequelgays will defend this writing.
>Eventually, Sidious became so powerful that the only thing he feared was losing his power, which, of course, he did. One day, his apprentice, Darth Tyranus, killed him in his sleep. Its ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
>don't actually kill him when you have the opportunity, you have an entire interstellar military at your disposal and you even don't try and have him assassinated or anything, literally have him sitting bound and defenseless in a chair right in front of you and you still don't kill him >don't even do anything to undermine him this whole time, just spend years loyally following his orders to the letter up to the point where he's virtually a dictator and his plan has effectively played out already >turns out he was smarter than you were and murks you like a b***h >yfw
That's the thing. Dooku had multiple opportunities to kill Sidious, he could also have ratted him out to the Jedi with a boatload of incontrovertible proof at literally any time, but didn't, because he felt he still needed him, and because he mistakenly believed his relationship to him was not really master-apprentice but on more equal terms, which of course it wasn't.
>Dooku had multiple opportunities to kill Sidious
In the novelization, Palpatine actively tries to limit his direct interactions with Dooku during the Clone Wars precisely because he was afraid that if Dooku were to try and fight him, he'd probably lose.
>oh btw Kenobi, I just told you that the entire Senate is being puppet mastered by the Sith, you should probably idk, blood test everyone including the Chancellor, I'm basically giving you all the information you need btw, I'm probably even going to let you go because it serves no purpose to my plans if I kill you, but you're a smart Jedi and all. I'm sure you understand that when you make it out of here you should make of this front page news, it will make Sidious go to ground- what? Yes, I know his name. He's my master..thought that was obvious. Anyway, his plan is- yes moron, Naboo was him. All him, I...didn't you know that? He sent Maul-yeah...YES, the whole thing dude. Wtf. How are you on the council? Well-yeah, he was the one who tried to kill padme you could prob use that info and tell Anakin, that's who he-how is this confusing you? What the frick is a Dexter?
>alright Anakin, now that we have the element of surprise it's time to enact the great plan of- what? Well, yeah I know the entire reason for betraying the Jedi was to save padme, I got that. But why aren't we doing that now? Look man, give me a day or two to fix the Jedi stuff and-yes, it was pretty impulsive to chop his arm off and let me murder Windu, you prob should have thought about it but-what do you mean? Well, yeah I guess if you want to get granular it was technically me that tried to kill her- oh, is that a dealbreaker? Well where the frick you gonna go, idiot? I've got cameras all over the place, frankly I'm surprised nobody heard any of that noise already, or looked at any data tapes up until this point....look man, you're really not going to vibe with this next pitch about the kids you gotta kill if this is your attitude. Ye-yes, I was behind the Clone Wars, what the frick did you think, they all look like Jango Fett, didn't that tip you off? I'm aware of the sand thing, thanks.
>ah, general Kenobi, now that I have you surrounded I'm just going to let every droid here blast the complete frick out of you, since we all knew this was a trap to ..hmm, actually help me out here, you know we can SCAN for ships, right? We just had a meeting that you were coming to this planet to attack. Like, five minutes ago. I'm fairly aware there's an attack coming on Utapau. W-what? Why would I duel you? How does that help me at all? Wtf is that bird thing you came on? Are those native to this planet? We heard it squawking like a moron ten miles away, you were just standing up there looking at me, like-no, you weren't "disguised" you are the most notorious Jedi next to that other whinging homosexual, everyone knows what you look like. No, I'm not going to duel you, that's stupid. You're stupid, what even is the plan here? Bud, even if...NO I'm not dueling will you listen? Even if I didn't know you were coming, any one of these thousands of droids could have just shot you, point blank. They still could, right now. You are wearing a bathrobe.
They'd be the same, you can't rule an empire made up of thousands of worlds, the corruption and misery would continue with a new coat of paint everywhere they Emperor visited.
Yeah you could mass murder every criminal and corrupt official on a planet and things would be back to the way they were as soon as you leave, it's a sisyphean task .
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just come back the next day and kill them again 4head t. Darth Vader
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Every American nation building attempt post Japan and Korea summarized
I mean yoda did show up immediately with an army of clones to a fight that didn't need to happen and started an intergalactic war and then led it as a general for like 8 years all while obeying orders from Palpatine himself and not realizing what was wrong until it was too late so yeah, Yoda is kind of shit.
tatooine wasn't part of the republic moron, they don't even accept their currency. by that logic ANYONE who doesn't devote their ENTIRE LIFE to helping others and nothing else is corrupt
they're clearly senate-adjacent or at least beholden to the government of the republic. if they started extra-judically travelling to non-republic worlds and trying to mess with shit that would have consequences for the republic. perhaps this has a real world allegory
They are part of the Republic's judicial branch, yes. It's why they travel in Judicial ships marked red for diplomatic immunity. Hutts aren't part of the Republic, they have their own personal stellar empire.
Dooku was a neat character I think. Jedi supremacist playing both sides as a double-traitor wishing for his preferred religion to go back to the old days of conquest and utilizing their power rather than being passive. Dooku is the sorta guy to post deus vult memes on /misc/ while sock puppeting as a moronic liberal on twitter.
They have all this futuristic technology, yet they are ruled by literal monarchies and crime syndicates. There is some kind of authoritarian regime on every world and every world is overpopulated with scum and villainy. Some manage to eek out a 19th century standard of living "moisture farming" or somesuch, but many sink even lower into slavery, and no one gives a shit. There is no real "democracy" except between high aristocracy, which is what Padme meant and the only people she considered real humans. No wonder Anakin turned to the dark side, molested by the female Epstein as a kid with her attractiveness and his teenage hormones convincing him she loved him, only to discover his "wife" as well as his mentor and father figure viewed him as a mere tool, all while letting his mother die in slavery, slavery which at any time the elite could have ended on Tatooine which was just a backwater world full of criminals they had ample means and justification to oust.
When the Empire landed on Tatooine, what do you think Darth Vader ordered be done first? When he b***hed slapped spoiled aristocrats on all these worlds and put Imperial order. He knew he could not afford to frick around with these "people" who would gladly torture him for 1000 years in a Sarlacc pit on a whim in this horrifying universe. He endured only a little of the suffering and he was well aware he was not the only one and arguably even one of the more fortunate. This is why he killed the jedi kids and blew up Alderaan, they were dangerous, the Empire had to achieve total victory to spare countless billions from this nightmare galaxy.
>the Empire had to achieve total victory to spare countless billions from this nightmare galaxy.
Sheev's empire would have made all that shit literally 100x worse, anon. The more nightmarish the galaxy, the stronger the Dark Side gets. Making the Empire a corrupt, barely-functional piece of shit IS THE POINT. Vader never "got" the Dark Side like Palpatine wanted him to.
I get mad that books use a line spacing of 2, that's just legacy from mechanical typewriter era, there's no reason to stick to it as it actually hurts reading.
Unfortunately, High Republic retcons Yoda as not actually being "Grand Master" until the end of that era, so he only held the job for a century and as we see in the movies he's already turning over the job to Mace Windu.
On top of that, Yoda didn't even want the GM position, he was an old teacher who got mostly forced into it because the other two candidates both died and the Jedi were hurting for leadership.
I wouldn't, from a purely logical standpoint the Sith are ideologically correct about the nature of power. It's only the moronic corrupting influence of the Dark Side (read; plot considerations) that subsequently turns intelligent and logical Sith into raging evil morons.
>Sith >Correct about the nature of power
The >Dude backstab literally everyone lmao
Is actually a moronic way of gathering and holding power and it only works for the Sith because they're space wizards who can choke out whole armies with their minds.
>Dude backstab literally everyone lmao
That isn't part of the Sith code and only comes about because the Dark Side(tm) turns everyone into jealous paranoid morons who feel threatened by anyone who might challenge them.
That being said I will grant you that the Sith code does kind of create a situation where ultimately only one person can wield power. But it's still a better code than "lmao just hide your emotions and stop caring about stuff bruh."
The Sith code is almost 100% bullshit cope that the Sith master uses to sucker in the Sith apprentice. The Dark Side is literally and physically a drug, and the Sith are literally and physically junkies. The only rule is to achieve unlimited power, and the only reason the rule of two even persists is because the Sith are aware that it's physically impossible to achieve unlimited power within their lifetimes so they need to leave successors if any hope of vengeance is realistic. Hell, in the EU, Palpatine admits that the rule of two was obsolete after he became Emperor and that he'd be instituting a new policy called "the rule of one" (he rules forever as an immortal God-Emperor). And because of how the Dark Side works, "unlimited power" means "force literally everyone else to be as miserable as possible."
Again, everything you posted is only because the Force is a moronic fricking concept to being with and the Dark Side (tm) acts as an actual living entity that changes people's will.
As I initially posted, the Dark Side magically turns people into raging evil morons for it's own inscrutable purposes.
But from a purely ideological standpoint the Sith ARE correct.
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.
I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.
I never said Hutts were criminals, I called the israeli hypercapitalists.
From a purely ideological standpoint the Sith are NOT correct because their ideology is "betray literally everyone because their suffering powers up your space magic" which is a fricking stupid way to go about life when you don't have pain-based wizard powers.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to keep repeating myself and clearly you have no reading comprehension. Go back and read my posts and learn to separate ideology from practice.
If the Hutts arent the most evil species in the galaxy, who is?
The Sith, not the force users but the actual race. They actually simply enjoy being hilariously evil and destructive and killing everyone and everything.
The Hutts are literally the israelites of the SW setting. Their primary hub world, Nar Shadaa, is literally a hyper-capitalist shithole with insane wealth stratification and a poisonous atmosphere.
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.
I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.
Kill hutts. Behead hutts. Roundhouse kick a hutt into the duracrete. Feed hutt elders to the sarlacc. Salt hutt women. Leave hutt babies on the hot pavement. Burn down hutt palaces. Bomb hutt temples. Glass Nar Shadaa. Regulate the pod racing industry. Annex the Outer Rim into the Republic. Legalize the enslavement of hutts. Ban all other forms of slavery. Hire privateers to seize hutt spice shipments. Feed hutts to rancors. Give hutts over to Jabba's creepy torture droid. Force choke hutts to death. Crash hutt barges with them still inside. Declare that hutts are non-sentient. Legally revoke all lands and titles belonging to hutt clans. Settling ex-slaves on hutt lands. Forcing hutts to be slaves to their ex-slaves. Putting a standing bounty on every member of the hutt species (with disintegrations). TOTAL HUTT DEATH.
Because while Hutts have a lot of fat, underneath that fat they are all muscle. They're slugs, and just to move around their entire body needs to be muscled.
In the past, before the Hutts turned to economic domination, they were known as warriors. Hardcore ones too.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry bro, but seeing a drawing of a hutt gigachad is so funny I cannot take it seriously
So they aren’t mafia crime bosses but Talmudic israelites who look out for their own and consider everything they do moral and legal in their own twisted way. They’re above the law of other species.
>Look, Anakin: we've had this conversation a few dozen times now, not sure what you can't follow...everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knows you killed those sand kids. W-what? You told Padme you schizo, what did you think would happen? -well of course she told us, she's not a psychopath, probably was just worried she's upset you into another columbine rage if she spooked you. No, she's filing for divorce man, did-did you just think nobody here would react to that? That breaks, idk...a few thousand Jedi codes, the big one being don't fricking murder children. -a promotion? Dude, it took three hours to convince Yoda not to press charges, we've packed all your stuff already, which wasn't hard, you don't really have much back at our apartment, basically I bought everything. -I really don't know bro, maybe you could work in construction or something? We thought about just moving you around like when dolphins murder guests, but the logistics alone. Just easier to kick you out. The prophecy? Man, we don't even really know what that even is, that's not going to unfire you.
>Separating Anakin from his mother instead of freeing her >Forcing him to keep his marriage to Padme secret >Telling him he should be glad his mother's dying >Having him and his apprentice go undercover as slaves, knowing his background >Ironically pretending that his master was killed in action >Throwing his apprentice under the bus and kicking her out of the order >Ordering him to spy on his father figure >Putting him on the council but not making him a master
Which of these was the council's biggest frickup concerning Anakin?
Not freeing his mother. Unironically pants on head moronic. There was zero reason why Obiwan or some other random Jedi couldn't go back and free her. I get the whole detachment from family but that kind of thing doesnt just go away in your psyche especially with how old he was when he left. They were trying to make him into a sociopath best they could.
They literally can't. They're a part of the Republic and Tatooine is controlled by the Hutts, a separate empire.
It would be like the FBI unilaterally walking into Hong Kong or Tokyo or Johannesburg, shooting up the place, and stealing/kidnapping someone when making their escape.
They literally can. Show up, give Watto an offer he can't refuse, leave Tatooine with a million less hutbux and with mommy in tow, set her free once they're in Republic space, and then give her to Anakin as a birthday present. Literally the only reason they didn't do it at the time is because Qui Gon was broke, but that's no excuse for not going back and just paying for her later.
So pay some mercenaries to go there and shoot watto in the head.
Padme is also a princess and I'm assuming her planet would be wealthy enough to buy Shmi legally as far as Tatooine rules go. I very much doubt Watto would turn down 350 acres of real estate on Naboo and a lifetime pension and Padme owed Anakin big time for the control ship run he made as a little boy. She could've easily arranged Shmi's purchase.
They literally can. Show up, give Watto an offer he can't refuse, leave Tatooine with a million less hutbux and with mommy in tow, set her free once they're in Republic space, and then give her to Anakin as a birthday present. Literally the only reason they didn't do it at the time is because Qui Gon was broke, but that's no excuse for not going back and just paying for her later.
>word gets out that Republic representatives are blowing taxpayer dollars in what the Republic considers the galactic third world
Who cares what Padme does? She wasn't even a senator in TPM. You mean to tell me Queen Amidalla would be so thoroughly audited she can't arrange one purchase from Tatooine for political reasons? Anakin secured her peoples' future and saved their entire fricking planet.
Hire a bounty hunter or some shit, goddamn this isn't hard and you're just nitpicking easily-solved problems. The Jedi didn't do it because their code is super autistic, simple as.
5 months ago
Anonymous
> so you see we hired a queen to hire a bounty hunter to hire a toydaryan to fire a slave
What the frick are the Hutts going to do? This was at the height of the Republic's power. They could've bombed all of Tatooine and no Hutt would've done jackshit about it.
It was nowhere near the height of the Republic, the prequel movies are near its nadir. Gigantic diplomatic incident and declaration of war, followed by the Hutts cutting off the not!oil pipelines and actually using their own armies and fleets (which they have but keep near their core worlds), simultaneously starving the Republic of resources and conquering a not unreasonable chunk of them. It subsequently climaxes in the Republic paying monstrous reparations that it can't afford, contributing to the gridlock.
People sleep on the Hutts, but they are, genuinely, a considerable power. Shit, in the Clone Wars when the Republic needed access to hyperlanes and routes for their fleets, they didn't just do it and wave their dick at the Hutts. They came, hat in hand, and asked permission.
>free the slaves >piss off the hurts >cause another giant Civil War but this time the Hutt Saudis keep all the resources that they previously were selling that kept the republic afloat
It doesn't even need to be a "freeing" thing just buy her freedom. Wato obviously didn't giv a frick at a point since he sold her to a dirt farmer. I really doubt he paid much.
This was the principle issue at play. Watto is too cartoonish and also apathetic. If he'd been characterized as being legitimately pissed beyond the point of rationality it'd make sense to say he'd never relinquish Shmi as a warped form of punishment against Anakin. They also couldve done a better job explaining how powerful the Hutts were at that point because as it stands Tatooine barely seems under anyone's control let alone under such influence someone like Watto could even get any kind of protection.
As it stands Watto has no reason to not just sell Shmi for a lot of money. He's so uninterested in the transaction.
I don't know, I feel like the Hutts were given fairly good explanation to close attention, they just aren't the focus. >looking for where they're going to go, Tatooine has no Trade Federation presence because "controlled by the Hutts" (so it is clearly both economically powerful enough that the TF can't strongarm its way in and when what's his name shits a brick shouting about not taking Amidala there it implies that they have a lot of power and are dangerous, probably infamous reputation) >when buying parts, Watto says "Republic credits are no good here" so Tatooine is clearly working with the Hutts' own currency, and the Republic influence is clearly also either weak or nonexistent entirely, this isn't like going from NYC to the ass end of Iowa, you are in Doha, Qatar >when Qui-Gon threatens to bring Watto's reneging on a deal up with the Hutts, bluff or no, Watto immediately backs down, so it is also reasonable to think that they will take a very unfavorable position on ANYBODY trying to welch an agreed on deal, as well as that Watto does not want to get on their bad side
I don't know, I feel like the Hutts were given fairly good explanation to close attention, they just aren't the focus. >looking for where they're going to go, Tatooine has no Trade Federation presence because "controlled by the Hutts" (so it is clearly both economically powerful enough that the TF can't strongarm its way in and when what's his name shits a brick shouting about not taking Amidala there it implies that they have a lot of power and are dangerous, probably infamous reputation) >when buying parts, Watto says "Republic credits are no good here" so Tatooine is clearly working with the Hutts' own currency, and the Republic influence is clearly also either weak or nonexistent entirely, this isn't like going from NYC to the ass end of Iowa, you are in Doha, Qatar >when Qui-Gon threatens to bring Watto's reneging on a deal up with the Hutts, bluff or no, Watto immediately backs down, so it is also reasonable to think that they will take a very unfavorable position on ANYBODY trying to welch an agreed on deal, as well as that Watto does not want to get on their bad side
REMINDER: The Republic, for all its claims to legitimacy as a “galactic” government (which really just means the Core, Inner Rim, and some Mid Rim in typical arrogance) fell apart over half a dozen times, lending blatant instability to their domain and their control and regulation of finance among the constituents of galactic banking. Naturally the Republic currency is strong within the Core worlds, grown bloated and fatter than the most indolent Hutt, but their credit is only good while the underlying governmental system backing the currency remains stable. This is a laughable notion, given the clear evidence of multiple refoundings, reorganisations, reformations, and crisis events affecting the function of Republic space, and that is without mentioning the corrupt Banking Clan. As a result, we can say, confidently, that the disaster that is Republic crisis management clearly lends the Republic credit/datary an inherent instability.
But not all is lost. Unlike its significantly more volatile fellow, Huttbux are backed by the governing body of literally the oldest contiguous civilisation ever to exist within the confines of the galaxy, reigning unconquered in the realm of the Greater Bootana Hutta for, as of The Phantom Menace, over twenty-five thousand years (which is also longer, I might add, than even the oldest date of the Republic's founding), and doing so while commanding soft and hard power in their own territory as well as across the Outer Rim (and much of the Mid Rim as well). Truly, the Hutt peggat is more stable than land or even gold.
Watto wasn't being a dick when he denied Qui-Gon a trade in Republic credits. He was a prescient understander and investor in his own financial security, knowing that the republic-of-the-day coins pushed by the tourist cannot stand against a currency that has maintained its validity for a thousand generations without surcease.
Watto went broke somewhere between TPM and AOTC, he goes from a fancy shop and betting big on podracing to running a stand in the street. He probably had no choice but to sell her.
>free the slaves >piss off the hurts >cause another giant Civil War but this time the Hutt Saudis keep all the resources that they previously were selling that kept the republic afloat
The whole Trade Federation (which is primarily an interstellar shipping corporation) came about in the first place because a bunch of rich Republic billionaires wanted to exploit the Outer Rim regions for resources and ship them back to the Republic.
The Republic needs the Outer Rim for resources to fuel the rich Core World regions.
I've been saying it for years and got called a Nazi: Yoda's parochialism and longevity on the Council is what made the Jedi passive and indolent servants of the Republic's heavily-corrupt Senate. That green turd is almost as big an architect of the Order's destruction as Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious were.
I love the concept of Dooku thinking he is only pretending to be a Sith while scheming to betray and kill Palpatine, without realizing that that is exactly Sith behavior. It's very poetic.
Him and Sifo Dyaz having the foresight to kickstart the Clone Army also 'rhymes' in the grand scheme of things: it wasn't just the revenge of the Sith, but the Mandolorians, and Dooku as well.
Lards.
If the Whills control the Force and the Force transcends space and time, that means they determine everything and if the Sith can use the same Force for their own ends against the Whills, how are the Sith evil?
Star Wars is unironically a blight on civilization. It takes complex conflicts and just boils everything down into two dimensions, where the two sides are either ontologically good or evil. It's ruined generations of children's minds and destroyed their ability to reflect or think critically.
KOTOR 1 and 2 is the only thing from it to break that mold. And even it is plagued with a lot of that issue. But there is some more nuance of "not all evil jedi are sith, some are just shitheads"
>kill him.
>kill him now.
I shouldn't. It's not the Jedi way.
Hey genocidal evil emperor, this other guy is really corrupt dude
Why is he, a sith, saying this moralgay shit to another sith?
Sith recruit useful idiots to their cause by promising them that they can use the Dark Side to achieve some overall greater good. This is, of course, bullshit since power for its own sake is all the Dark Side is about. A useful idiot who realizes this and plays ball is worthy of becoming an apprentice. A useful idiot who doesn't realize this is discarded.
Well besides, the dark side of the Force is metaphysically evil, it makes the users look like demons, give negative thoughts, pollutes the ground etc.
>it makes the users look like demons
I thought that Sheev's face was starting from his reflected lightning
>A useful idiot who doesn't realize this is discarded.
So Dooku would have been discarded?
He was discarded like 10 minutes into ROTS. Him being merely a stepping stone for Anakin's fall was all he was ever good for.
Yes, that's literally what Palpatine does. He has the new apprentice he's groomed deal with Dooku.
Did you watch the movie?
if you pay attention a little bit neither side is good, one side wants to control the universe with an iron fist, round table, state religion and emperors, the other side wants democracy but has no qualms with killing children.
>the other side wants democracy but has no qualms with killing children.
Is this an allegory for israelites vs muslims: golems revenge in the desert?
The prequels are really bad but Dooku only turned to the dark side out of a sense of idealism, and the dark side twists what you want and desire into something horrible, often without you realizing it. Dooku hated corruption and lawlessness, and he hated how the order wasn't doing anything about it. Once he fell under Palpatine and to the dark side, he still believed he was right. The fact that he was right about it is what blinded him to how awful he otherwise was becoming and how the things he did were terrible and advancing someone else's goals and not him. The dark side makes you forget.
The biggest problem with the prequels was that George Lucas was unironically trying to do way too much with them. Each of the films would have needed to be 7-8 hours long to properly convey all the plot threads he was trying to weave together. That's why they ended up feeling so rushed and awkward, even though if you write out the basic narrative on paper they sound amazing.
Dooku and Qui Gon should have been the same character.
Finding Anakin should have been a sequence in the first act of the first movie.
Then the first movie is Anakin and Obi Wan both being padawans under Qui Gon who is increasingly disillusioned and then is pulled to the dark side out of that kind of idealism. Then when he turns, Obi Wan is promoted and Anakin moved under his tutelage, making their grated relationship in 2 have more depth by seeing him as a contemporary given only a formal authority over him.
Then the lead up to the Clone Wars being the latter half of the first movie with the second being all out war would have been better and allowed a whole lot more being unpacked in the second movie to make the third feel less rushed
None of these rewrites are ever good. George new what he was doing.
Making Obi Anakin's age kills the central story element of Anakin choosing between the good father vs the father who offers him the quick fix.
>George new what he was doing.
*nu
Yes, he just executed it poorly
George never had a plan. When they were shooting ANH, "Darth Vader" was literally his name and he really wasn't Luke's father, both of those things were made up when they were writing ESB
I love when you morons claim he didn't plan for him to be his father because of a random script for Empire. Wow, he didn't want the biggest plot twist in cinema to be leaked by a bunch of homosexual interns? Crazy, next you are going to tell me the German word for father being vater is just a coincidence and he didn't plan that, despite the numerous references to German history starting in a New Hope. The empire definitely wasn't modeled after the Third Reich, the fact their troops are literally called storm troopers was definitely just random, the storm troopers weapons on tatooine definitely weren't just MG-42s, Vader's design definitely isn't based on Nazi and Japanese war helmets. Totally all a coincidence and everyone at Lucas Film's is a hack and they just got lucky.
>vader
>sidious
>maul
>tyrannus
no there's no pattern here at all, clearly this was planned all along because vader looks vaguely similar to vatar (is not pronounced remotely similarly btw)
Vader is literally dutch for father.
It's also short for invader moron.
>there can't be more than one meaning to a name
You have the mind of an enslaved moron
sounds like you want to be in vader, buddy
NOOO SHUT UP CHUD, LUCAS IS A HACK FRAUD AND RLM PROVED IT
>sidious wasn't named in the original movie
>maul wasn't in the original
>tyranaus wasn't in the original
Wow! Totally a completely logical argument, definitely not completely moronic! There is a scene in a new hope where Luke asks about his father and his connection with obi wan, and Lars tells him not to think about it and gives Luke's aunt a stern look. Sorry Red Letter Media rotted your brain
Canonically Count Dooku isn't a Sith, he is just a Jedi that rebelled against the council
He has a Sith name and title, he's Darth Tyranus
nazis operate like that
It was really funny it's like a sith joke
So you're freeing the slaves and fighting evil, right?
I wouldn't say a single word to him. I would listen to what he had to say, and that's what no one did.
Thank you for your service.
>Lemme antagonize the guy who can choke people with his mind and murders at least one officer per week, on average
What was he thinking?
He doesn't murder officers randomly, the movie doesn't give that impression.
I never said he murdered them randomly. Palpatine's set up the military to be corrupt, on purpose, so there's usually at least one loser who's failed upwards into Vader's force choke on a weekly basis.
>the guy... and murders at least one officer per week, on
do you have dementia?
Quote the part of my post where I said "randomly," dyslexia-kun
>randomly
now what
>-ukk!
>SHUT UP VADER YOU FRICKING DOUBLE NI-ACK
>COUNTING YOUR SHEKELS AGAIN, MR. GOLDSTEIN? YEAH I BET YOU LIKE THAT YOU FRICKING israelite
>even knowing what a bad idea it was to relax around blacks, he continued
starwarschuds... vindicated?
I always thought it was 'sorcerous' and now I like the line less
>sorcerer's
i thought it was sorcerous
>Even knowing what a bad idea it was to bait the man in black
This is honestly the only scene the prequels undeniably ruined. There is no way for a man of Motti's age and his position in the Imperial ranks to think the force/jedi were a myth. You can't tell me that's the case when just under 20 years prior there were some hundred or thousand jedi all over the place and the Emperor's inaugural speech is 90% about turning them into bloody paste. I love those movies to death but there is simply no way to reconcile this.
He's not calling them a myth in that scene, he's calling them useless and obsolete which is precisely the narrative Palpatine was trying to enforce.
Why wouldn't he? Jedi fricked everything up according to the propaganda. He'd probably never seen one other than Vader. Vader by that point was indeed some weirdo dinosaur.
The prequels should have had the Jedi already in a state of decline and the Clone Wars were the final nail in the coffin instead of the Jedi being at the peak of their influence and just getting killed en masse over the course of a single day.
I like to compare it to the headphone jack. It was a ubiquitous feature in smartphones for over a decade. Now it's been largely phased out by the major players within the industry while slapping on the narrative that it's old and worthless, and how nobody needs nor wants it. It's not even been a decade, yet I bet the general attitude towards this feature is exactly the same as Motti's attitude towards the Force. Now extrapolate this scenario to a galaxy. It only seems unbelievable because we're still thinking within the confides of our singular planet.
>I'll only be moronic until you choke me to death
>But you'll be mad forever
How hard is it to understand?
absolute nonsense
event if you just go by prequel logic. he sees and listens to countless council members and collegues
there's a reason it was a council
>One of the most powerful Jedi looks at the big picture and refuses to focus on these micro-aggressions
it's such a stupid argument from the beginning that it doesn't even warrant a response
Approximately how many more weeks would it have been until Yoda got off his ass and fixed the Senate that had done nothing but get worse and worse for 800 straight years?
>Approximately how many more weeks would it have been until Yoda got off his ass and fixed the Senate
3 weeks max.
3 earth weeks, 3 coruscant weeks, 3 standard weeks, or 3 sarlacc weeks?
>Obi-Wan, I need your help, a literal Satanist is secretly influencing the Republic!
>My plan to stop him, why, helping him install himself as dictator of course!
Prequelgays will defend this writing.
>Eventually, Sidious became so powerful that the only thing he feared was losing his power, which, of course, he did. One day, his apprentice, Darth Tyranus, killed him in his sleep. Its ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
>don't actually kill him when you have the opportunity, you have an entire interstellar military at your disposal and you even don't try and have him assassinated or anything, literally have him sitting bound and defenseless in a chair right in front of you and you still don't kill him
>don't even do anything to undermine him this whole time, just spend years loyally following his orders to the letter up to the point where he's virtually a dictator and his plan has effectively played out already
>turns out he was smarter than you were and murks you like a b***h
>yfw
That's specifically why Palpatine considered Dooku a total failure of a Sith who was only good for being a stepping stone to Anakin
The CIS would have easily won if he'd just outed Palpatine, causing the Republic to fall into civil war.
That's the thing. Dooku had multiple opportunities to kill Sidious, he could also have ratted him out to the Jedi with a boatload of incontrovertible proof at literally any time, but didn't, because he felt he still needed him, and because he mistakenly believed his relationship to him was not really master-apprentice but on more equal terms, which of course it wasn't.
>Dooku had multiple opportunities to kill Sidious
In the novelization, Palpatine actively tries to limit his direct interactions with Dooku during the Clone Wars precisely because he was afraid that if Dooku were to try and fight him, he'd probably lose.
And even in that cartoon that had like 8 seasons, they only met in person like twice! The rest were all Zoom calls.
>oh btw Kenobi, I just told you that the entire Senate is being puppet mastered by the Sith, you should probably idk, blood test everyone including the Chancellor, I'm basically giving you all the information you need btw, I'm probably even going to let you go because it serves no purpose to my plans if I kill you, but you're a smart Jedi and all. I'm sure you understand that when you make it out of here you should make of this front page news, it will make Sidious go to ground- what? Yes, I know his name. He's my master..thought that was obvious. Anyway, his plan is- yes moron, Naboo was him. All him, I...didn't you know that? He sent Maul-yeah...YES, the whole thing dude. Wtf. How are you on the council? Well-yeah, he was the one who tried to kill padme you could prob use that info and tell Anakin, that's who he-how is this confusing you? What the frick is a Dexter?
Obiwan being a blinded moron is very faithful to his character in the OT.
>alright Anakin, now that we have the element of surprise it's time to enact the great plan of- what? Well, yeah I know the entire reason for betraying the Jedi was to save padme, I got that. But why aren't we doing that now? Look man, give me a day or two to fix the Jedi stuff and-yes, it was pretty impulsive to chop his arm off and let me murder Windu, you prob should have thought about it but-what do you mean? Well, yeah I guess if you want to get granular it was technically me that tried to kill her- oh, is that a dealbreaker? Well where the frick you gonna go, idiot? I've got cameras all over the place, frankly I'm surprised nobody heard any of that noise already, or looked at any data tapes up until this point....look man, you're really not going to vibe with this next pitch about the kids you gotta kill if this is your attitude. Ye-yes, I was behind the Clone Wars, what the frick did you think, they all look like Jango Fett, didn't that tip you off? I'm aware of the sand thing, thanks.
>ah, general Kenobi, now that I have you surrounded I'm just going to let every droid here blast the complete frick out of you, since we all knew this was a trap to ..hmm, actually help me out here, you know we can SCAN for ships, right? We just had a meeting that you were coming to this planet to attack. Like, five minutes ago. I'm fairly aware there's an attack coming on Utapau. W-what? Why would I duel you? How does that help me at all? Wtf is that bird thing you came on? Are those native to this planet? We heard it squawking like a moron ten miles away, you were just standing up there looking at me, like-no, you weren't "disguised" you are the most notorious Jedi next to that other whinging homosexual, everyone knows what you look like. No, I'm not going to duel you, that's stupid. You're stupid, what even is the plan here? Bud, even if...NO I'm not dueling will you listen? Even if I didn't know you were coming, any one of these thousands of droids could have just shot you, point blank. They still could, right now. You are wearing a bathrobe.
if I had to guess he was probably going to try and kill Sideous once he had establisged the empire and become a benevolent ruler in his place
What would be less of a hellhole: Dooku's empire, or Vader's empire?
They'd be the same, you can't rule an empire made up of thousands of worlds, the corruption and misery would continue with a new coat of paint everywhere they Emperor visited.
You just don't have the willingness to mass murder your way through the corruption like Vader does.
Yeah you could mass murder every criminal and corrupt official on a planet and things would be back to the way they were as soon as you leave, it's a sisyphean task .
Just come back the next day and kill them again 4head t. Darth Vader
>Every American nation building attempt post Japan and Korea summarized
Dooku would've gotten cold feet about killing the Jedi so it's a non-starter anyways
>>My plan to stop him, why, helping him install himself as dictator of course!
wut
he asks obi-wan to help kill him
I mean yoda did show up immediately with an army of clones to a fight that didn't need to happen and started an intergalactic war and then led it as a general for like 8 years all while obeying orders from Palpatine himself and not realizing what was wrong until it was too late so yeah, Yoda is kind of shit.
tatooine wasn't part of the republic moron, they don't even accept their currency. by that logic ANYONE who doesn't devote their ENTIRE LIFE to helping others and nothing else is corrupt
Why does the Jedi Order's jurisdiction end with the Republic? Are they an official police force?
they're clearly senate-adjacent or at least beholden to the government of the republic. if they started extra-judically travelling to non-republic worlds and trying to mess with shit that would have consequences for the republic. perhaps this has a real world allegory
They are part of the Republic's judicial branch, yes. It's why they travel in Judicial ships marked red for diplomatic immunity. Hutts aren't part of the Republic, they have their own personal stellar empire.
"Why are we not acting to stop this?"
Speak for yourself buddy
Dooku was a neat character I think. Jedi supremacist playing both sides as a double-traitor wishing for his preferred religion to go back to the old days of conquest and utilizing their power rather than being passive. Dooku is the sorta guy to post deus vult memes on /misc/ while sock puppeting as a moronic liberal on twitter.
>That pic
What is going through Padme's mind, here?
>i can't believe i've been out-groomed!
Padme is a groomer?
she's a /ss/ stacy
5 years age gap is not ss at all
Arguing about the definition of a variation of child porn is not on my agenda today sorry.
5 years age gap between a 13 year old and an 18 year old is a way bigger deal than between, say, a 30 year old and a 35 year old.
They have all this futuristic technology, yet they are ruled by literal monarchies and crime syndicates. There is some kind of authoritarian regime on every world and every world is overpopulated with scum and villainy. Some manage to eek out a 19th century standard of living "moisture farming" or somesuch, but many sink even lower into slavery, and no one gives a shit. There is no real "democracy" except between high aristocracy, which is what Padme meant and the only people she considered real humans. No wonder Anakin turned to the dark side, molested by the female Epstein as a kid with her attractiveness and his teenage hormones convincing him she loved him, only to discover his "wife" as well as his mentor and father figure viewed him as a mere tool, all while letting his mother die in slavery, slavery which at any time the elite could have ended on Tatooine which was just a backwater world full of criminals they had ample means and justification to oust.
When the Empire landed on Tatooine, what do you think Darth Vader ordered be done first? When he b***hed slapped spoiled aristocrats on all these worlds and put Imperial order. He knew he could not afford to frick around with these "people" who would gladly torture him for 1000 years in a Sarlacc pit on a whim in this horrifying universe. He endured only a little of the suffering and he was well aware he was not the only one and arguably even one of the more fortunate. This is why he killed the jedi kids and blew up Alderaan, they were dangerous, the Empire had to achieve total victory to spare countless billions from this nightmare galaxy.
exactly, frick the jedi order, and frick the elite
>the Empire had to achieve total victory to spare countless billions from this nightmare galaxy.
Sheev's empire would have made all that shit literally 100x worse, anon. The more nightmarish the galaxy, the stronger the Dark Side gets. Making the Empire a corrupt, barely-functional piece of shit IS THE POINT. Vader never "got" the Dark Side like Palpatine wanted him to.
yep, the Star Wars universe is pretty dark, needs a good old fashioned reign of terror or two.
>chav tea
that's not very cash money, innit?
>There were heroes on both sides.
But Jedi supported slavery? How could they be heroes?
Aren't the clones literally an army of child slave soldiers?
Truly, tube-baby lives matter. #AJAB
Lol yes
>heroes on both sides!
Very fine people.
Better than the Separatists, who openly ally with slaver races like the Hutts, Trandosians, and Zygerrians.
No not those ones the other very fine people.
Agree with him completely and smile.
What does corruption smell like?
The Senate.
I am the senate
Take a shower, go outside, and touch grass. The Senate smells awful.
I get mad that books use a line spacing of 2, that's just legacy from mechanical typewriter era, there's no reason to stick to it as it actually hurts reading.
Unfortunately, High Republic retcons Yoda as not actually being "Grand Master" until the end of that era, so he only held the job for a century and as we see in the movies he's already turning over the job to Mace Windu.
On top of that, Yoda didn't even want the GM position, he was an old teacher who got mostly forced into it because the other two candidates both died and the Jedi were hurting for leadership.
What the duck is the "High Republic," anon? I feel like you're saying things to deliberately upset me.
A Disney release that is set 100-150 years prior to the prequel movies.
What was Dooku's master plan, anyway? Kill Palpatine and rule the galaxy with an iron fist?
>muh slavery
why would some sith nobleman give a shit about slavery on some backwater?
I wouldn't, from a purely logical standpoint the Sith are ideologically correct about the nature of power. It's only the moronic corrupting influence of the Dark Side (read; plot considerations) that subsequently turns intelligent and logical Sith into raging evil morons.
>Sith
>Correct about the nature of power
The
>Dude backstab literally everyone lmao
Is actually a moronic way of gathering and holding power and it only works for the Sith because they're space wizards who can choke out whole armies with their minds.
>Dude backstab literally everyone lmao
That isn't part of the Sith code and only comes about because the Dark Side(tm) turns everyone into jealous paranoid morons who feel threatened by anyone who might challenge them.
That being said I will grant you that the Sith code does kind of create a situation where ultimately only one person can wield power. But it's still a better code than "lmao just hide your emotions and stop caring about stuff bruh."
The Sith code is almost 100% bullshit cope that the Sith master uses to sucker in the Sith apprentice. The Dark Side is literally and physically a drug, and the Sith are literally and physically junkies. The only rule is to achieve unlimited power, and the only reason the rule of two even persists is because the Sith are aware that it's physically impossible to achieve unlimited power within their lifetimes so they need to leave successors if any hope of vengeance is realistic. Hell, in the EU, Palpatine admits that the rule of two was obsolete after he became Emperor and that he'd be instituting a new policy called "the rule of one" (he rules forever as an immortal God-Emperor). And because of how the Dark Side works, "unlimited power" means "force literally everyone else to be as miserable as possible."
Again, everything you posted is only because the Force is a moronic fricking concept to being with and the Dark Side (tm) acts as an actual living entity that changes people's will.
As I initially posted, the Dark Side magically turns people into raging evil morons for it's own inscrutable purposes.
But from a purely ideological standpoint the Sith ARE correct.
I never said Hutts were criminals, I called the israeli hypercapitalists.
From a purely ideological standpoint the Sith are NOT correct because their ideology is "betray literally everyone because their suffering powers up your space magic" which is a fricking stupid way to go about life when you don't have pain-based wizard powers.
I'm not going to keep repeating myself and clearly you have no reading comprehension. Go back and read my posts and learn to separate ideology from practice.
The Sith, not the force users but the actual race. They actually simply enjoy being hilariously evil and destructive and killing everyone and everything.
Reminder that the Hutts are a longer-reigning and superior civilisation to the corrupt, decaying Republic and evil Empire.
The Hutts are literally the israelites of the SW setting. Their primary hub world, Nar Shadaa, is literally a hyper-capitalist shithole with insane wealth stratification and a poisonous atmosphere.
Rent free.
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.
I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.
Kill hutts. Behead hutts. Roundhouse kick a hutt into the duracrete. Feed hutt elders to the sarlacc. Salt hutt women. Leave hutt babies on the hot pavement. Burn down hutt palaces. Bomb hutt temples. Glass Nar Shadaa. Regulate the pod racing industry. Annex the Outer Rim into the Republic. Legalize the enslavement of hutts. Ban all other forms of slavery. Hire privateers to seize hutt spice shipments. Feed hutts to rancors. Give hutts over to Jabba's creepy torture droid. Force choke hutts to death. Crash hutt barges with them still inside. Declare that hutts are non-sentient. Legally revoke all lands and titles belonging to hutt clans. Settling ex-slaves on hutt lands. Forcing hutts to be slaves to their ex-slaves. Putting a standing bounty on every member of the hutt species (with disintegrations). TOTAL HUTT DEATH.
Come at me bro.
Why is this slug so shredded
Because while Hutts have a lot of fat, underneath that fat they are all muscle. They're slugs, and just to move around their entire body needs to be muscled.
In the past, before the Hutts turned to economic domination, they were known as warriors. Hardcore ones too.
I'm sorry bro, but seeing a drawing of a hutt gigachad is so funny I cannot take it seriously
So they aren’t mafia crime bosses but Talmudic israelites who look out for their own and consider everything they do moral and legal in their own twisted way. They’re above the law of other species.
They have what is basically the galaxy's reserve currency too. Huttbux are considered the only real money anywhere that is not the Republic.
Doesn't the Trade Federation pay all their employees in company script?
Only usable with the Trade Federation, which is a member of the Republic anyway.
>endless wars bad
>not starting an endless war over slavery bad
Wensleydale?
>Look, Anakin: we've had this conversation a few dozen times now, not sure what you can't follow...everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knows you killed those sand kids. W-what? You told Padme you schizo, what did you think would happen? -well of course she told us, she's not a psychopath, probably was just worried she's upset you into another columbine rage if she spooked you. No, she's filing for divorce man, did-did you just think nobody here would react to that? That breaks, idk...a few thousand Jedi codes, the big one being don't fricking murder children. -a promotion? Dude, it took three hours to convince Yoda not to press charges, we've packed all your stuff already, which wasn't hard, you don't really have much back at our apartment, basically I bought everything. -I really don't know bro, maybe you could work in construction or something? We thought about just moving you around like when dolphins murder guests, but the logistics alone. Just easier to kick you out. The prophecy? Man, we don't even really know what that even is, that's not going to unfire you.
If the Hutts arent the most evil species in the galaxy, who is?
>Separating Anakin from his mother instead of freeing her
>Forcing him to keep his marriage to Padme secret
>Telling him he should be glad his mother's dying
>Having him and his apprentice go undercover as slaves, knowing his background
>Ironically pretending that his master was killed in action
>Throwing his apprentice under the bus and kicking her out of the order
>Ordering him to spy on his father figure
>Putting him on the council but not making him a master
Which of these was the council's biggest frickup concerning Anakin?
Not freeing his mother. Unironically pants on head moronic. There was zero reason why Obiwan or some other random Jedi couldn't go back and free her. I get the whole detachment from family but that kind of thing doesnt just go away in your psyche especially with how old he was when he left. They were trying to make him into a sociopath best they could.
It's ironic. They were so used to raising children from infancy that they forgot how to raise children...
They literally can't. They're a part of the Republic and Tatooine is controlled by the Hutts, a separate empire.
It would be like the FBI unilaterally walking into Hong Kong or Tokyo or Johannesburg, shooting up the place, and stealing/kidnapping someone when making their escape.
They literally can. Show up, give Watto an offer he can't refuse, leave Tatooine with a million less hutbux and with mommy in tow, set her free once they're in Republic space, and then give her to Anakin as a birthday present. Literally the only reason they didn't do it at the time is because Qui Gon was broke, but that's no excuse for not going back and just paying for her later.
There's more than one option in freeing a slave anon, money or a trade for example
So pay some mercenaries to go there and shoot watto in the head.
Padme is also a princess and I'm assuming her planet would be wealthy enough to buy Shmi legally as far as Tatooine rules go. I very much doubt Watto would turn down 350 acres of real estate on Naboo and a lifetime pension and Padme owed Anakin big time for the control ship run he made as a little boy. She could've easily arranged Shmi's purchase.
>word gets out that Republic representatives are blowing taxpayer dollars in what the Republic considers the galactic third world
Who cares what Padme does? She wasn't even a senator in TPM. You mean to tell me Queen Amidalla would be so thoroughly audited she can't arrange one purchase from Tatooine for political reasons? Anakin secured her peoples' future and saved their entire fricking planet.
Hire a bounty hunter or some shit, goddamn this isn't hard and you're just nitpicking easily-solved problems. The Jedi didn't do it because their code is super autistic, simple as.
> so you see we hired a queen to hire a bounty hunter to hire a toydaryan to fire a slave
>Padme owed Anakin big time for the control ship run he made as a little boy
She paid him back in sex and israeliteess grooming of an 8 year old anon
Are you saying that Padme's relationship with Anakin was fundamentally bad for both of them?
No, it was good for both of them. Would you not want to be groomed by Natalie Portman?
Did she go for Anakin's Padawan too?
What the frick are the Hutts going to do? This was at the height of the Republic's power. They could've bombed all of Tatooine and no Hutt would've done jackshit about it.
It was nowhere near the height of the Republic, the prequel movies are near its nadir. Gigantic diplomatic incident and declaration of war, followed by the Hutts cutting off the not!oil pipelines and actually using their own armies and fleets (which they have but keep near their core worlds), simultaneously starving the Republic of resources and conquering a not unreasonable chunk of them. It subsequently climaxes in the Republic paying monstrous reparations that it can't afford, contributing to the gridlock.
People sleep on the Hutts, but they are, genuinely, a considerable power. Shit, in the Clone Wars when the Republic needed access to hyperlanes and routes for their fleets, they didn't just do it and wave their dick at the Hutts. They came, hat in hand, and asked permission.
It doesn't even need to be a "freeing" thing just buy her freedom. Wato obviously didn't giv a frick at a point since he sold her to a dirt farmer. I really doubt he paid much.
This was the principle issue at play. Watto is too cartoonish and also apathetic. If he'd been characterized as being legitimately pissed beyond the point of rationality it'd make sense to say he'd never relinquish Shmi as a warped form of punishment against Anakin. They also couldve done a better job explaining how powerful the Hutts were at that point because as it stands Tatooine barely seems under anyone's control let alone under such influence someone like Watto could even get any kind of protection.
As it stands Watto has no reason to not just sell Shmi for a lot of money. He's so uninterested in the transaction.
I don't know, I feel like the Hutts were given fairly good explanation to close attention, they just aren't the focus.
>looking for where they're going to go, Tatooine has no Trade Federation presence because "controlled by the Hutts" (so it is clearly both economically powerful enough that the TF can't strongarm its way in and when what's his name shits a brick shouting about not taking Amidala there it implies that they have a lot of power and are dangerous, probably infamous reputation)
>when buying parts, Watto says "Republic credits are no good here" so Tatooine is clearly working with the Hutts' own currency, and the Republic influence is clearly also either weak or nonexistent entirely, this isn't like going from NYC to the ass end of Iowa, you are in Doha, Qatar
>when Qui-Gon threatens to bring Watto's reneging on a deal up with the Hutts, bluff or no, Watto immediately backs down, so it is also reasonable to think that they will take a very unfavorable position on ANYBODY trying to welch an agreed on deal, as well as that Watto does not want to get on their bad side
REMINDER: The Republic, for all its claims to legitimacy as a “galactic” government (which really just means the Core, Inner Rim, and some Mid Rim in typical arrogance) fell apart over half a dozen times, lending blatant instability to their domain and their control and regulation of finance among the constituents of galactic banking. Naturally the Republic currency is strong within the Core worlds, grown bloated and fatter than the most indolent Hutt, but their credit is only good while the underlying governmental system backing the currency remains stable. This is a laughable notion, given the clear evidence of multiple refoundings, reorganisations, reformations, and crisis events affecting the function of Republic space, and that is without mentioning the corrupt Banking Clan. As a result, we can say, confidently, that the disaster that is Republic crisis management clearly lends the Republic credit/datary an inherent instability.
But not all is lost. Unlike its significantly more volatile fellow, Huttbux are backed by the governing body of literally the oldest contiguous civilisation ever to exist within the confines of the galaxy, reigning unconquered in the realm of the Greater Bootana Hutta for, as of The Phantom Menace, over twenty-five thousand years (which is also longer, I might add, than even the oldest date of the Republic's founding), and doing so while commanding soft and hard power in their own territory as well as across the Outer Rim (and much of the Mid Rim as well). Truly, the Hutt peggat is more stable than land or even gold.
Watto wasn't being a dick when he denied Qui-Gon a trade in Republic credits. He was a prescient understander and investor in his own financial security, knowing that the republic-of-the-day coins pushed by the tourist cannot stand against a currency that has maintained its validity for a thousand generations without surcease.
Day of the Salt is coming soon, my friend.
Watto went broke somewhere between TPM and AOTC, he goes from a fancy shop and betting big on podracing to running a stand in the street. He probably had no choice but to sell her.
>free the slaves
>piss off the hurts
>cause another giant Civil War but this time the Hutt Saudis keep all the resources that they previously were selling that kept the republic afloat
Like what? Drugs?
The whole Trade Federation (which is primarily an interstellar shipping corporation) came about in the first place because a bunch of rich Republic billionaires wanted to exploit the Outer Rim regions for resources and ship them back to the Republic.
The Republic needs the Outer Rim for resources to fuel the rich Core World regions.
Why didn't Padme free her? She actually met Shmi and Shmi did her a solid.
Frick thats true too. I never thought about how shes the one to b***h about slavery and never bothers to free her.
The prequels are already plenty gay, and then you have to throw in the cartoons.
How would Yoda beat the turning off your lightsaber mid combat technique?
You now realize that the jedi were an allegory for the israelites and that the sith did nothing wrong
Since when is slavery and war "evil"
I've been saying it for years and got called a Nazi: Yoda's parochialism and longevity on the Council is what made the Jedi passive and indolent servants of the Republic's heavily-corrupt Senate. That green turd is almost as big an architect of the Order's destruction as Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious were.
Yoda saw Republic corruption and went full Benedict Option.
I love the concept of Dooku thinking he is only pretending to be a Sith while scheming to betray and kill Palpatine, without realizing that that is exactly Sith behavior. It's very poetic.
Him and Sifo Dyaz having the foresight to kickstart the Clone Army also 'rhymes' in the grand scheme of things: it wasn't just the revenge of the Sith, but the Mandolorians, and Dooku as well.
Lards.
If the Whills control the Force and the Force transcends space and time, that means they determine everything and if the Sith can use the same Force for their own ends against the Whills, how are the Sith evil?
is this the manifesto of the angry girl that had no dick so she slaughtered a bunch of schoolchildren out of spite?
i thought they canceled that manifesto
Star Wars is unironically a blight on civilization. It takes complex conflicts and just boils everything down into two dimensions, where the two sides are either ontologically good or evil. It's ruined generations of children's minds and destroyed their ability to reflect or think critically.
KOTOR 1 and 2 is the only thing from it to break that mold. And even it is plagued with a lot of that issue. But there is some more nuance of "not all evil jedi are sith, some are just shitheads"