>Sell your big indie project to a Hollywood mini major
>While trying to make a sillier comedy focused show at the same time
>Hollywood mini major takes your big project away from you because of your unprofessionalism
>Try to morph the silly comedy show into what you wanted the big project to be, causing the quality to take a noticeable hit
>Waste money on big name VAs, one of whom was in the middle of a legal battle
>Hollywood mini major now doing everything in their power to bury the big project they stole from you
Vivzie is a modern day Troy Duffy
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1. much of this is hearsay but objectively, something with the production of Hazbin is fricked considering we STILL DONT FRICKING HAVE ANY GODDAMN NEWS ON IT
2. Piss-poor management will kill any surefire business idea
>something with the production of Hazbin is fricked
You mean some things, as in plural.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138430648
Honestly, how much longer until Vivzie’s star burns out
it's already black and cold
Yet you keep talking about her every day.
>selling the rights to your IP instead of licensing it out
That was her number one mistake right there. Keeping control over my creations is infinitely more important to me than "making it big".
ESPECIALLY after 2022
Watching this train wreck is getting better and better every day
by being a woman obsessed with wokewood that's why
hope the writer's strike buries this b***hes' temporary flavor of the month fame forever so I never have to hear about this c**t in 2024
Hazbin’s already finished and waiting for it’s inevitable one season run
Helluva is all she has left
And maybe Zoophobia, anyone remember that?
Zoophobia has been dead for what, over a decade now?
The website doesnt even exist anymore and she already took the ideas she wanted from it and turned them into HH/HB.
Plus it… Just wasn’t a very good comic. introducing an MC that you immediately drop just so you can write furry highschool shipping drama is a terrible plot.
>introducing an MC that you immediately drop just so you can write furry highschool shipping drama is a terrible plot
Wait a minute, an interesting premise that gets dropped for melodrama?
The signs were there from the start
People have been warning about this since she announced HB and HH. She didn't just come out of nowhere, she's been on the internet a long time.
I legitimately forgot she was technically the MC before the hellspawn and alien thing took over the spotlight.
>makes a music video of the characters from her comic
>this b***h is nowhere to be found
I wonder if she actually forgot.
I liked the concept of Zoophobia but the comic was pretty bad. It's like a weird emo My Gym Partner's a Monkey.
I like the concept of HH a lot too but the execution in the pilot wasn't entirely my thing. There's still time for that to change I suppose.
With demons son, with demons.
I genuinely don't understand what this woman did to attract so much hate. If the worst of her crimes is making a mediocre show that had a decent amount of success, what's the big frickin' deal?
>I can’t understand exaggeration and hyperbole?
How new are you?
Cinemaphile is especially prone to exaggerating things. I remember not watching Gravity Falls during its airing and Cinemaphile acted like it was written like the Odyssey. I watched it myself and its a decent kids show, but the way Cinemaphile talks its like, super deep maaaaaan because the writers can remember to reference the previous episode.
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it or make up hollow rationalizations or pretend like she's done anything but make me envy her.
I fully admit I hate Vivzie's shit because I envy Vivzie. I know that as a nerdy guy I will never be able to live a carefree lifestyle of partying, sleeping around and indulging in all sorts of vices that she does being an attractive young woman, and that makes me want to kill myself. This is also the reason why I wiil never watch a single episode of either of her show. Not out of spite, but because they'll make me want to kill myself. They are made for young women whose lives actually resemble the lives of characters in these shows (not the hell aspect obviously, but being quirky, carefree and hedonistic in life).
I appreciate your candor.
just do what you can to twinkmaxx, start acting and dressing gay, go to some steampunk fair or some shit dude
I'm as nerdy as they come, but I've got a whole bunch of shit in my relatively quiet city on the calendar, like plays, vintage markets, comedy shows, concerts, and swing dances on the calendar, and to all of them I fully intend to comb my norwood 3 hair back, keep my lack-of-a-chin up, and wear my crappy second-hand suit and tie, and do my best to have an okay time until it becomes worth it
prolly helps that i'm a neet and there's nothing going on for me anyway
See
. She also made passive aggressive comments about Lackadaisy recently, and a recent tweet strongly suggested HH is being delayed for another year.
>She also made passive aggressive comments about Lackadaisy recently
What did she say? The only thing I saw was her donating $5K to the backerkit
She forgot to actually link to the site and apparently that was a bad thing
Don't be disingenuous. She made up something about not making indie shows a competition, said that Spindlehorse would be keeping a close eye on Lackadaisy, and posted the amount she donated as a likely brag.
>She made up something about not making indie shows a competition
I'm the anon you replied to. I remember when that was leaked, kek.
Maybe he's thinking of when Viv was a b***h on discord, but that was a few years ago
>a recent tweet strongly suggested HH is being delayed for another year
Source?
You'll probably find a tweet about it in the past two or three weeks and a screenshot was posted on Cinemaphile before.
No really, source?
No really, there's one right here.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138552143/#138552203
>I don’t think it’ll get better
So she know’s shit’s fricked, yet she won’t do anything about it
because she plugs constant merch sales to promote her shows with the promise that the money they raise is going to the shows production but it's been 3 years of hazbin hotel merch sales and nothing has fricking come out, not even a trailer. it's just shitty teaser image after shitty teaser image. it's really feeling like the animation deal fell through in production and she's gaslighting a show that will never come out
The show looks like shit and has woke garbage, she should have been a one hit youtuber for her furry song cover and died in obscurity
The key to success always amounts to attaching yourself to a rabid fanbase of homosexuals, in this case furries, and watching them propell your shit into the stratosphere. It may be garbage, but she was smart to use furries the way she did to get her show popular.
Surprised A24 isn't shooting for the merch sales. The amount of pay piggies vivziepop has I am surprised someone isn't trying to muscle in. Especially if they own Hazbin Hotel. Think they'd like a tiny bit of the beak wetting.
Viv probably has a cause in her contract that says merch sales go to her even if A24 owns the rights.
She used to harass other artists and talk a lot of shit, like she said Michelle Fus was a bad writer for making demons that were also aliens (her logic was that demons were a human concept so that made Fus' demons illegitimate somehow and Viv took offense to that because she studies soooooo much about demonology) and she chased some other smaller artists off the internet entirely. She raised funds for her other animated pilot, Allison, and ran off with the money. She abuses her crew and tries to blacklist them from working with anyone associated with her, as revealed by Ken and Erin. She talks shit about other artists like Fable and Ashley, and has hatewatch parties with her crew to shit on other animated media like Villainous. She's vocal about claiming that she got to where she is out of sheer hard work, and that it's an uphill battle against the patriarchy because she's a female creator, but in reality she only got success because her parents and grandparents paid for it.
And then allegedly, according to that animation studio survey doc, she pays fans to promote her material and harass anyone who's critical of it.
>her logic was that demons were a human concept so that made Fus' demons illegitimate somehow and Viv took offense to that because she studies soooooo much about demonology
That's funny because in Orthodoxy, aliens are actually just demons that spend time LARPing as extraterrestrial life to make humans doubt their divine significance.
She doesn't know anything about any of the religions she pulls from, she literally sees them represented in media (like book of mormon) and runs with what she sees on tv/broadway. But she got her panties in a bunch over Fus not writing "accurate" demons. She drew fanart for Ava's Demon years back and deleted all traces of it, so maybe she has beef with that creator as well, I wouldn't be surprised.
She’s deeply envious, I bet.
It's hilarious how petty she is with her envy. She clearly has some resentment towards Lackadaisy despite the fact it's less popular than HH or HB.
Than again, maybe the fact it was super successful at it's crowdfunding amplified things, because she no longer has the rights to Hazbin, got kicked off the project.
Tbf, I’m envious that others are making projects that can be seen by the public, but that just compels me to get better. Vivzie is getting worse.
I feel like she secretly knew Lackadaisy's animation quality was way higher than hers and was experiencing serious cd
>She's vocal about claiming that she got to where she is out of sheer hard work, and that it's an uphill battle against the patriarchy because she's a female creator
This one is extra funny because she got a major head start on all this from being wealthy apparently.
People like Viv acting like they are disadvantaged is always amusing.
>She talks shit about other artists like Fable and Ashley, and has hatewatch parties with her crew to shit on other animated media like Villainous.
The irksome thing is that show actually is what people just fricking wanted from Helluva Boss. It is like the unnecessary BS has taken up massive amounts of space on what should be an interesting premise, but she is indulging her weird porn fantasies almost nobody cares about. Also, non-white nations are willing to write to the point better and not capitulate like white nations now.
She wears the same bondage collar that Stolas wears in an episode as a necklace. She also has a fetish for twinks getting the shit kicked out of them, so whenever someone like Stolas or Moxxie gets punched around, remember that.
It isn't the pounding I have an issue with but the weird sad sack UwU twink angle being shilled. Angel Dust was the one I found interesting since he was an immortal gangster burnt out on debauchery he can engage in for eternity so that was an interesting take on the indulged vices rather than weirdly glorifying them.
Ken as in Ken Ashcorp? Where was it said by her if it is her.
Ah wait it's Kendraws, whenever I hear Ken I think of Ashcorp.
I wrote her out as a b***h the moment she took the piss on Scott Cawthon instead of having any empathy, as someone who also had been thrown to the wolves.
Frick everyone that turned on him. How’s he doing now?
He seems to be doing well last I heard, hes got a FNAF movie in production with trailers already out if you dont know yet. Ive seen a surge of new fnaf fans in eastern europe and the middle east, idk about the eastern european ones but I frequent the arabic parts of the internet and Scott is beloved there because he is one of the few western media creators who hasnt completely bowed to LGBT and such
Judging by some of the shitposts, it's the usual /misc/ freaking the frick out because there are gays and trans in the show.
Sadly they have nothing better to do because their manly homoerotic VDV are all but extinct.
>people hate the show
>must be /misc/ tards
okay moron
Why do they hate the show?
Bad writing.
How so?
Characters are introduce and abandoned. Plot lines brought up and abandoned to focus on a story only the head writer seems invested in. Vivzie's only real merit in writing is she isn't afraid to drop a character but they are picky on the reasons. Why keep Cherub alive if you aren't ever going to reuse them? Why kill Chaz when you can use him for later stories? Especially if the joke is to constantly remind the audience Moxxie is bisexual and likes to be the bottom? Why not keep him alive so Millie has an enemy to focus on? The gov agents introduced? Nope. Nothing to utilize there. Succubi? Sorry, one note, one episode.
Characters get no development and when they do they are immediately flanderized or just tools for Moxxie or Blitzo's character development.
All of this for some cheap lead up that even without the leaks anyone can see coming. Stella is gonna try and find a way to turn Octavia against Stolas, but oh no love prevails and she kills her instead. Yay. Glad we can stretch that between two episodes which I guarantee will be the case.
Were you hoping I was gonna say something about it being for gays and trannies in some cheap little gotcha? Sorry homosexual, it's bad writing. Straight and simple.
It’s bad gay representation too, no one wants to be represented by a poorly written gay bird or a Gary Stu.
>gay representation
>you see yourself in hellborn royalty
Are you actually moronic?
Think they mean with all the characters.
>Character is gay
>Time to throw in a joke about sucking dick, getting fricked hard, liking genitals, making hand gestures.
Now imagine this is for every fricking character you get that is even remotely LGBT. As a joke, funny the first two times. An entire show? Sorry, most of us lived through seeing that play out with fricking Queer Duck.
>making hand gestures
You don't use hand gestures?
Everyone keeps doing dick jokes so don't care all that much.
you know the hand gestures I meant.
In fact, funny thing we talking about dick jokes. How many of these gay jokes are about lesbians? Seems like most of the jokes are guys fricking other guys.
Fujo’s gonna fujo.
guess you have a higher tolerance for joke rehashing then while others don't.
I meant that Viv is intentionally neglecting the female characters in favor of the guys, mainly Blitzo and Stolas because she never outgrew her fujoshi phase.
We're barely 1 and a half seasons in, and I'm pretty sure much higher budget shows have far more throwaway characters. Only pop up every so often for a small joke or some shit.
I'm guessing we'll see some of them again, Verosika seems like an easy one as she's already popped back up a few times.
I have a sneaking suspicion they don't want to touch anymore on the Cherub stuff because they don't want to get tangled into Heaven lore until HH sets some of the rules down. On the other hand maybe they just don't want to tie the shows together if they're already having problems with the studio just fricking releasing it. Wonder what that's about.
>we're barely into season 1
This is the shittiest excuse I hear about this. Such an immediate toss away of any critique. Listen you stupid fricking monkey. I know god didn't give you the know how to spark your brain into that thing we call "critical thinking." So I'll make it easy to understand.
If you read a book, and you stop reading it without finishing it, are you stupid because the book didn't keep you engaged or is the book just badly written? Lick the wall sockets if you need a boost to fire those neurons if you still can't get that through the animal skull encasing that peanut sized brain.
>I have a sneaking suspicion they don't want to touch anymore on the Cherub stuff because they don't want to get tangled into Heaven lore until HH sets some of the rules down. On the other hand maybe they just don't want to tie the shows together if they're already having problems with the studio just fricking releasing it.
I can’t think of a scenario where that would be an issue unless the rules of the universe are in fact meant to be a twist for Hazbin
And the cherubs are already apart of the HB show so it’s not like you’d need to introduce others
Give up the act, Dana.
Bruh I’m literally a gay furry and I still have tons of issues with this dogshit show.
I hated the c**t since the time she did that awful animation music video pandering to furries 12 years ago, now again thanks to her pandering to furgays, her "demons" could give less than 0 fricks about, we have that inssuferable garbage oc emo sparkledog that fricking furries cant stop COOMING about, shes doesn't seems a furgay (dont know if she is, nor I fricking care to know) but she sure knows how to use those degenerates and god she made everything more irritable on the internet thanks to her ocs, hope all of her shit crash and burns down for good
It's a new form of autism that has mutated through Cinemaphile where a creator who disappoints the fans and makes a show/movie that can count as "wasted potential", makes certain anons here lose their mind and make the creators their number one enemy, shitposting about them every day for months on end. Happened with this, Steven Universe, Molly Mcgee, Star Vs, and Ruby Gilman. Mediocre is now an unforgivable sin for these people.
That said, Vivzie's attitude online didn't help.
It’s not just mediocre, it’s fricking terrible.
This shit. There's nothing that justifies these constant threads. Frick at least pick something funny to obsessively hate
It's a bad show made by a bad person with an apparently endless pit of drama.
>obsessed with wokewood
>obsessed with wokehood
I think you mean she has a literal fetish for gay people.
Which project? Which mini major whatever that means and which VA?
>Hazbin
>A24
>Kesha and Norman Reedus
and Norman Reedus
How the frick did that ugly Irishman got MEMe status? I get Ryan Gosling. He actually had mainstream appeal. But Norman reedus ugly and can’t act.
Walking Dead stans. Not even joking. That is the only fricking reason he got huge as he did. People act like his character was the best thing on the show.
The show was ok, then it got dull after the guy killed his best friend at season 2 finale. It sucked because they had no clear goal and went on for seasons without any purpose
Either way he got his little fanbase from there because it sure as shit wasn't from the Boondock Saints. Even with that movies cult status I recall most people knowing who he was from Walking Dead.
And yet Helluva is great and known all over the internet. Stay mad.
>Helluva is great
Buddy the only people still unto it are watching to see if the demon fricks the owl
Everyone else jumped ship after seeing how much of a nosedive the writing and keeping the premise took
Sounds like you're projecting again
Look I like Helluva decently enough but frankly at this point the show peaked at S1E1 and slowly went downhill from there. That last episode was absolute dogshit unless you’re 12 years old or a coomer I guess.
Its its so popular why do you feel the need to defend it?
If popularity is your only metric then shouldnt it stand on its own merits?
Or are you yet another insecure child that can’t admit you like imperfect or shitty things?
It's losing views and merch sales. More and more people are critical of it, I've seen even die hard fans do 180s.
It's dying, learn to cope with that.
Hazbin Hotel is coming out this Fall and there's nothing you can do about it chudcel
I feel like we’re reaching a point where indie animation is becoming more successful than mainstream tv animation, so vivz making hazbin hotel a tv thing was probably a mistake
proof?
sounds like viv its living rent free in your head
https://twitter.com/LadiesMan217G/status/1689212241965432832?s=20
It’s all too plausible
>HB became saddled with melodrama because she couldn't explore it with HH
>HH is going to be the neat, tight comedy that HB should have been and HB will forever languish in mediocrity
>HH is going to be the neat, tight comedy
It’s animated by the Family Guy wannabe factory
One twitterf*** was going ballistic over it.
Do you see Banana man
Hopping over on the white hot sand
This seems to line up with the rumors that were going around here when that one industry anon was gossiping about a female showrunner let go from her own show. Everyone guessed he was talking about Viv at the time. I think this is legit.
That adds up with the negative reviews of SplindeHorse
>https://twitter.com/clai143/status/1680687179666792450
literally schizo post tier , just like that entire twitter profile LMAO
>air time slots
>on fricking streaming platform
the TMS schizo has more merit than this
You realized he said HBO and not Max, right?
HBO the channel is still a thing
>The year-old rumor about Viv getting fired from her own show is true
That still raises the question of how she got into the wrap party
Did they invite her as some kind of consolation or something?
>Did they invite her as some kind of consolation or something?
That's likely. It would also help however little with keeping things under wraps, as it's in both her and A24's own interests to do so.
I feel like it was to avoid stirring up drama online. If Viv wasn't at HH's wrap party imagine the shit her fans would be saying. They're probably try and #CancelA24 or something
Didn’t they fake the wrap party? All I saw was a couple of cardboard cutouts, her friends and a small cake. None of the crew, voice actors, animators, none.
There was a wrap party with the animation studio in Australia.
Why the frick didn't they just let her have musical writers? Because she's white?
Why is Justin Roiland allowed to get away with anything he wants and be unprofessional but Viv is held under a microscope?
1. Justin's voice was central to the project.
2. He still got kicked partway through the third season.
Nobody said anything about musical writers. “Broadway talent” likely refers to actors singers and they would be refused because they’re probably way too expensive without the PR benefit of being a known entity outside the broadway niche.
I’m pretty sure Vivienne MEDRANO isn’t completely white.
What did she do to make them dislike her so much? Is it more likely she was passive aggressive and unprofessional in emails or full out cried over not getting her way because the latter sounds more believable
>That one guy with the Moxxie pfp raging in the comments.
Sounds real to me
>have a twitter account that I barely use with no followers
>made like 2 posts that were slightly critical of HB in the past that gained literally no traction or views
>apparently I'm blocked by someone in this autistic thread anyway
Man this place is crazy
It has to be some 15 year old kid or something
The whiteknight in the quotes makes a decent point, if Viv lost the rights to Hazbin why is she still allowed to prostitute out merch with Hazbin characters constantly?
Who says she’s allowed to?
She's allowed to because she just opened a summer sale featuring kinky art of the hazbin characters
>.A show's general rights going to the studio while the merchanising rights stays with an individual creator isn't unheard of.
Wasn't George Lucas the last one that was able to do this? Companies changed the contracts after he became a billionare based on toy sales alone so that nobody else could do this type of shit. Nowadays no company who takes creator's rights would allow them to sell merch of their characters without any income going to the company
Owning a brand means owning every design, no company is gonna own a specific version of a character and allow the creator to keep selling the other one.
It can easily be explained away as a clause in their contract. A show's general rights going to the studio while the merchanising rights stays with an individual creator isn't unheard of.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fact she sells merch with the old designs. The redesigns belong to A24 for sure and will never get merch.
I call bullshit on losing the rights on Hazbin, because otherwise she wouldn't be selling merch based on those characters for her own company's profit
>but they're using the old designs
Doesn't work that way. If she doesn't own the rights of Hazbin then she doesn't own the rights of the old Hazbin pilot either, and she wouldn't be allowed to make merch of it.
You can keep merch rights and lose show rights. She might have retained merchandising rights until HH is actually released.
Wouldn't there be more money on merch rights than show rights? Especially if this is a one-season thing they dump on some streaming site and move on.
Depends on if A24 doesn't plan on retiring Bob and making HH its new decade-long low-stakes episodic show.
But the leak stated that A24 got angry at her and just wanted one season to get it over with. If they bought her out for that reason, why would they later make it a decade-long show like Bob's?
Your wires are crossed. A24 doesn't do Bob's Burgers. You're thinking of Bento Box. And they're contractors, they have no say on how long either Hazbin or Bob last.
True, so they wouldn't willingly lose the rights to merch Hazbin if all they kept was a one-season show they dump one day and move on. That's just losing money.
If Vivzie kept the rights to merch she could also exploit that to make comics, counting those as "merch" and making content with the brand A24 wouldn't want her to do.
Viv still sales Hazbin merch though. So clearly the rights at least partly belong to her.
That is indeed the case - she still can use the pilot designs
Checkmate chuds
damn, i was hoping she'd atleast be a PAWG, but she's kind of... eh
Fair, but
>28 weeks ago
That's a long time ago
I think what they mean is all the alleged leaks say that Viv got shitcanned like a year ago, but in both that photo from January and the wrap party in March she's still hanging around the A24 and animation studio offices
This.
I have no doubts that she's a pain in the ass to work with, and the behind the scenes are a massive clusterfrick, but they won't go through all these hoops to pretend Viv is still the showrunner if she was shitcanned.
The people posting on that twitter link really don't know the truth and are just making guesses based on Vivzie behavior and Hazbin delays, but anyone can do that. Most of us here already assumed there were negotiation problems with A24 and Vivzie fricked up somewhat, which leads to her recent sad tweets and the lack of updates for Hazbin's official ccounts. But nobody knows the exact details as to why until we get an official source.
I won't believe any details unless it's from someone with actual reputation and not some redditor.
Humpty dumpty looking ass
You guys haven't been paying attention. See the replies to
.
They posted an update, right? A24 changed the release date from 2023 to "Coming Soon."
And apparently Viv responded, and she and her friends blame "misogyny."
Interesting. On A24's website right now it says "Coming Soon" on the HH page, but a look at the Wayback Machine shows it saying "2023 (TBD)" on May 20th, "2023" on June 1st, then "Coming Soon" by June 13th. I guess the strikes could be why?
A24 has agreed to SAG-AFTRA’s demands and is unaffected by the strikes.
not true. Actors still aren't able to promote stuff they worked on until the strike is over regardless of what A24 has agreed to. It's an industry-wide blackout.
It has nothing to do with production of the show itself all the same. The show was apparently finished back in March. Why wouldn't they announce a release date between then and the strikes unless something fishy was going on behind closed doors?
Because it was widely known that the strikes were going to happen well before they started. I'm in a related industry and we've been talking about this for quite awhile now. It went down almost exactly as expected although most anticipated that the directors were also going to strike, but they cut a deal with the devil (execs had to be more flexible with them because if all three of the major unions were striking, that would have been the death blow).
A24 is small and scrappy and can't absorb losses as easily as bigger distributors (on top of specializing in more niche media), so it tracks that they'd be a bit more conservative.
I'm not saying other shit DIDN'T go on behind the scenes, but this isn't necessarily the smoking gun you might otherwise think it is.
As the leaks have been saying, the production is probably a complete shit show. Such a shit show they can't even predict a completion date.
It's like a Kickstarter Scam but it's not even a scam, just moronation.
Shitshow aside, season 1 is completed.
>I WANT FOUR SEASONS!
>btw I don't have anything planned teehee
If left to her own devices, Viv would make entire seasons that's just his homosexual ship smooching and fondling each other
>If left to her own devices, Viv would make entire seasons that's just his homosexual ship smooching and fondling each other
This would genuinely make more cash than whatever else is planned
Honestly four seasons of the general concept are good.
Same with the HB pilot.
She can do character designs and bare general ideas are just fine.
Just wish she'd have the guts to trust someone else with the spine of the writing.
>Honestly four seasons of the general concept are good.
Oh yeah, the wonderful general concept of "a clown wants to make a hotel in hell with a gay spider for reasons" totally has four fricking seasons of material in it.
Tell me that HB fatigue isn’t real
as much as I want Vivzie to fail, 9 millions is still a LOT
It’s still a noticeable decline
It's a huge declined
Rookie numbers for indie animation. Skibidi toilet gets close to a 20 to 50 million an episode.
>Skibidi toilet
The primary audience for that garbage is the same as Cocomelon
Its consistently good. HB is a big mixed bag. with a lot of shit.
Go frick off and watch your shitty gmod animation if its so great.
>Its consistently good
I'm sure cocomelon is too
That audience wouldn't be able to watch a single episode of HB because of their fried attention span.
It isn't real. Now go take your pfizer approved meds and vaccinations like a good little Vivziepopper! If you are a good little consumer we may release Loona stickers this year for $50.99!
If Viv would realize Adam Neyland is literally the one running the series into the ground maybe the series would be better
You do realise she would have to approve Adam’s scripts, right?
Which would mean he’s writing exactly how she wants
She approves his garbage because he is her roommate. She cares more about pleasing her untalented friends then making a quality show
Read Zoophobia m8. She just has shit writing tendencies and never grew out of the phase where saying “FRICK” is its own punchline.
Just face the fact that the fat c**t is the core cause of these issues and everything thats likeable about HB/HH is pure happenstance.
>he is her roommate
She's too rich to need a roommate at this point.
So its not just me? Adam Neylan really is a malignant cancer slowly killing what had some potential to be a good show? The gay soap opera shit is just getting old. Every episode its the same thing.. "Wahhhh I'm gay and I have problems and no one understands me wahhhh" Give me a fricking break.
I like being male and that wouldn't solve any of my feelings either way.
There isn't proper evidence she lost ownership of her show. There isn't evidence A24 is undermining it either, the marketing could be a different issue. It's usually a good idea to wait for real proof before believing bold claims.
It's like thinking QAnon is real because of some vaugely written Cinemaphile shitposts. Fricking morons. You'll believe anything if it fits the story you want to tell.
There has been an increasing amount of information to suggest otherwise. Her recent claim about not knowing as much about how Hazbin was going to be affected by the strikes compared to Helluva suggests that, even though A24 later announced that they had already complied to the guild terms. She either doesn't know her own production, lying to stall for time on Hazbin, or isn't in on it. Whichever case, she doesn't look good.
> even though A24 later announced that they had already complied to the guild terms
I’m pretty sure the actors still can’t promote stuff they were in until the strike is over. It makes sense that they’d want to wait so they can maximize their PR.
Networks would be insane not be jumping over themselves trying to get the rights to Hazbin Hotel, but the thing is they don't care about what would be popular or make them money, what matters is putting out bad content to make people unhappy and stroke the fires of division in our country.
>Networks would be insane not be jumping over themselves trying to get the rights to Hazbin Hotel
Hello Dana.
>Networks would be insane not be jumping over themselves trying to get the rights to Hazbin Hotel
The only networks where it’d find anywhere close to its target audience would be comedy central and adult swim and even then, I highly doubt the south park rerun channel that jumped on the bojack bandwagon years after the fact and the family guy rerun channel would really care to piss away money on it.
Whatever Network it's on people will flock to, they already buy merch at inflated online prices they'll buy it by the truckload when it comes to Hot Topic.
These are passionate fans who draw fan art and stuff.
Online viewership and fandoms notoriously dont correlate at all to live TV viewership and whilst you can easily shill overpriced toys to morons online that will happily piss away $50 on a shitty sweatshop plushie to “directly support the creators!”, those same customers are probably less willing to give the same patronage to third party vendors.
You pretending its all a guarantee when it factually isn’t, isnt going to change the reality that the shows are niche with a rabid fanbase.
and again
we don’t even have a release date for Hazbin. If Helluva Boss is so appealing to the mainstream- why is it still an indie production relegated to being dumped on youtube for free?
>Online viewership and fandoms notoriously dont correlate at all to live TV viewership
>those same customers are probably less willing to give the same patronage to third party vendors.
Can you name a situation where this has happened?
Pretty much all popularity of anything is driven by the internet, the biggest game ever is Minecraft, an obscure swedish indie game made popular by youtubers, and people definitely buy minecraft merch irl.
NTA but Owl House
Owl House is infinitely smaller than Vivzie stuff most people will recognize Loona no one knows who the Owl House characters are.
I have seen people wearing Helluva Boss merch IRL and never wearing Owl House merch.
Also it never was an online thing before being a TV show.
>the biggest game ever is Minecraft
Technically that title would belong to Pokemon and its brand.
Can you name a single situation that has had a giant online fanbase thats translated into a mainstream success?
>muh minecraft
Has minecraft EVER been obscure outside of the first year of its existence?
Games don't count anyway, undertale, FNAF, etc prove it.
I buy the merch because I can't steal it. If hazbin comes out and I don't have the provider, I'm going to torrent it or watch it online for free.
>and stroke the fires of division in our country
Do you honestly think her universe/the premise of HH isn’t heat-seeking targeted at the religious right? Why do you think everyone in hell is gay? Because she’s secretly very religious and believes homosexuality is a sin or because she’s inevitably sailing toward the
>God and Christians r da reel ebul/hell is better anyway
conclusion?
You just don't understand Viv's subtle genius
>they'll complain about anything
that doesn't align with their views
Says the group on the platform that actively promotes censorship.
For all we know that might be one of the reasons she most likely got kicked off the show by A24, not only is the 'HEAVEN BAD' angle moronic. it also literally defeats the entire goddamn purpose of the main premise of the fricking show.
It's hilarious that they'll use a Moral Orel comparison because they take the message of M.O. as "religion bad" when the pastor is probably the most morally good character in the show besides Orel, at least by the end of the series since he starts off as a dick.
Moral Orel is overrated.
She needs a fricking diet.
a diet to get fatter
Based and Architectpilled
I think he means he wants her to die… or both. What’s her vaxx status?
What would make Charlie THIS mad?
Rape
Honestly even if HH is horrendous due to Viv causing production drama, I still don't see why A24 should be afraid to release it. HB should prove to them that Viv has an army of fans willing to swallow and defend everything she craps out regardless of quality.
Hypothetically, there is possibly a way A24 could mostly clean their hands of this mess. In such a case, they could say something like "the fans deserve to see the show after it was finished" and emphasize their cooperation with the strikes as much as possible.
>HH is forever gone
>HB is decaying fast
>Loona is bought out by big furry artists as a cash cow
>Viv lost control over mostly everything
>Now will fade into obscurity
Looks like this is going to be another entertaining Hazbin and Helluva drama thread.
>Loona is bought out by big furry artists as a cash cow
what do you mean?
artists making bank on Loona, like, only Loona, or mostly Loona with YCHs and such.
I still don't know if it's based or not, I'm leaning on not, mostly because there isn't any artist that mains hmofa with her, actually Dogsmith kinda does it, but I a have a feeling that he will either use an oc or accept money to draw someone else oc with her.
And yet they hate AI.
I feel like viv got too overconfident, she should’ve kept habzin hotel as an internet series
You know who else was overconfident?
Glitch
They honestly thought they could produce all of MR S1 in one month
It took two years instead, and they were so unsure that it would succeed that they transplanted Tari into SMG4 just to get people attached
And when it turned out to be successful, they decided to learn their lessons and keep improving their craft
It’s funny how a sm64 blooper guy is probably doing more for indie animation than viz did when that was most likely never even his goal
Murder Robots is it's own big can of worms, but there are plenty of threads about the show and it would be going on a tangent.
That's Murder Drones, not Murder robitsn anon. MR is Meta Runner, a different show Glitch finished a while ago with 3 seasons I believe. Meta Runner had troubles initially, but Glitch learned from it. Murder Drones is doing very well production wise, went from an episode every 3 months or so to an episode every 2 months - which is pretty impressive considering the show is such high quality.
>That's Murder Drones, not Murder robitsn anon
Sorry about the slip up, I got mixed up between drones and robots. Thanks for catching that. The show isn't isn't to my taste for several reasons, but it surprises me to hear it's doing well apparently. I haven't seen much discussion about it outside of their usual social media circles and 30 something year-old react Youtubers. This is likely a tinfoil hat theory, but maybe the show's popularity is artificial. With all the albeit botted comments their SMG4 channel generates, you'd think that there would be a lot more buzz about it like with Helluva or Lackadaisy. This doesn't look cheap to produce.
Nah, think you're just having a schizo moment anon. Liam Vickers stuff was originally quite niche, but Murder Drones does have a sizeable following right now. It doesn't generate as much noise as something like HB because there's literally no internet drama / social media shittery / influencer shilling about it. You also have to consider a huge chunk of HB's viewership are furries, who are some of the loudest and most socially-charged spergs on the ibternet.. MD is just a high quality web series entertaining the people that are into the kind of show that it is, not trying to do anything else. It's fine that it's not your cup of tea, it's definitely tailored towards an audience that is already pre-determined to like Liam Vickers' previous works - I'm a big fan of eldritch horrors beyond human comprehension disguised under a guise of cute, likeable characters with a mysterious plot that you figure out as the show goes on. That's not going to strike well with people that want a more straight-forward show that they have to dedicate less of their constant attention to re-watch and understand. There IS a viewership for this, considering the live premiere of the last MD episode had almost 200k live viewers, and the merch sold out before the episode even finished premiering. Different strokes for different folks, you're just not into the eldritch horror / robofricker scene, anon.
https://youtube.com/@LiamVickersAnimation
>That's not going to strike well with people that want a more straight-forward show that they have to dedicate less of their constant attention to re-watch and understand.
I get your point, but let's not kid ourselves. There's nothing intricate or difficult to understand about the show by any means.
>lets not kid ourselves
Lol. Then you haven't watched the show. Half of piecing together what is even going on requires rewatches, pausing to look at small details you otherwise would have missed, and linking seemingly inconspicuous things from older episodes to new information from newer ones. Go ahead and summarise the show's premise so far, because this reads like you also have no idea what it's about.
>pausing to look at small details you otherwise would have missed, and linking seemingly inconspicuous things from older episodes to new information from newer ones.
You mean what? Some symbol appearing for a few frames or someone saying the same thing that was said in another episode? Foreshadowing and subtle details are some of the most common elements in fiction. I mean this with genuine encouragement and no derision intended, go read. Tolkien, Jack Vance, R.A. Lafferty, and a whole slew of other authors are always good to start with.
>You mean what? Some symbol appearing for a few frames or someone saying the same thing that was said in another episode?
Sorry if I came off rude or condescending here by the way. I realized in immediate retrospect that this might have a passive aggressive tone.
Nah you're fine I get what you're saying, I didn't get the impression you were being passive aggressive. My point is that it's not just simple foreshadowing, important clues show up that you are meant to take note of and piece together. Seemingly inconspicuous dialogue that is actually extremely important, text that shows up that you'd have to stop to pause and read which you'd otherwise miss, and other details. It's the kind of stuff people miss, and then end up confused because they weren't looking for it. These are actually details that help you piece together what is actually going on, it's kind of like an ARG in a way. You have to understand, most people aren't Cinemaphilennoiseurs that actually digest the media they watch. Yeah, you might not find it that hard to put together because you actually have media competency and it's not a big deal. For a lot of people though, they don't catch stuff like that unless they are specifically told to look for it. Like the 30-year old reaction channel parasites you mentioned, they blow through the show without paying attention and end up super confused, not understanding what is going on because they lack the context the clues give.
Picrel, just an example:
>Cyn reactivates from death at the bottom of a landfill, context given by Zombie Drones casette tape monebts prior which you'd have to pause to analyse.
>We know this is Cyn because of the dissassembly armband, which you'd have to stop to read and notice.
>Message from the Absolute Solver appears for a split sexond, which you'd have to stop and analyse.
This important stuff that a lot of people are going to miss because they blow through the show without knowing stuff like that is crucial context. I think you're downplaying stuff like that a lot.
>Seemingly inconspicuous dialogue that is actually extremely important
>text that shows up that you'd have to stop to pause and read which you'd otherwise miss
I hate to break it to you, but that is offhand dialogue and something appearing for a few frames respectively. They are poor ways of delivering hints about the underlying narrative because they're vague enough for the writers to build up to anything convenient for them later on, and pretend it was a larger plan retroactively. Second, having to pause the video and go back and forth while doing so breaks the pace of the storytelling. This is also a trick to get people to watch the episode multiple times for revenue, or have hour long video essays scrutinizing every frame for free advertisement. The show is certainly better than whatever is being spat out by Spindlehorse, but that was frankly never a high bar to begin with.
Reminder next episode of HB is the suicide episode
How much good will is Vivzie gonna lose
That actually will be 10th one now. Pretty clear since it has "ghost" in the title.
How do you know
So hazbin hotel is just never gonna happen?
twitter schizo if you are here when HH releases can you livestream your suicide?
Honestly I have my doubts that Viv was kicked off as showrunner for the sole reason that I in no way see her able to keep quiet about it.
Seriously, in her mind some big ass studio 'stole' her creation and she won't say a peep about it? People can say she's under an NDA but that would be a such a strange clause in her contract that I only see that being signed when she was let go, and I don't see her signing that. Even if the NDA stuff is true she would throw a b***h fit on her twitter because she'd be so pissed she wouldn't think before she posts.
Aren't Viv's parents lawyers? She could've been advised to keep quiet on this at least.
I don't think she would listen to any advice. Viv is definitely a 'my way or the highway' type, and if she isn't under NDA what does she have lose by purposefully trying to torpedo Hazbin after she was shown the door by constantly reminding people that she got the boot and how A24 'stole' the IP?
It would ensure she'd never find a job in the show business again, but studios talk, and if your first showrunning gig was an animated show (meaning it carries a higher than average price tag) that was so bad it got you the boot mid-way through production you'll be hard pressed to get a second chance anyhow.
>if shes not under NDA
She’s definitely under an NDA. A24 would be fricking moronic to not put her on an NDA, especially if they were appalled by all the shittalking she does online.
it’s the opposite for me. the thing that’s leading me to believe the whole viv being fired rumor is that fact that she hasn’t denied it either. i mean this rumor's been bubbling for like a year now and i don’t think it would do any harm at all to deny it, and yet…
I haven't seen anybody mention that rumor outside of Cinemaphile until like a month ago
yeah, you’re right, i think i overestimated by saying “a year.” still, viv is insecure and keeps an ear out for anyone talking shit about her or her show.
I guarantee you Viv probably spends all her time looking up her name to find the slightest hint of someone talking shit about her.
She'd comment about this shit weeks ago or whenever this rumor started, I just saw it today.
If that’s the case, I hope she finds out about the Vivzie Blart meme eventually.
I am certain there is a vivzie janny she has in her pocket.
>she's totally the type
>I guarantee she does this
I hate Vivzie too but you people should tone the armchair psychoanalysis down.
The rumor really has been around for about a year now. I don't have a screenshot of the original post on hand, however.
That’s what eats at me too. It’s not about what she’s saying, it’s about what she ISN'T saying.
She'd do the middle-aged facebook mom thing where she says some super vague bullshit like "SOME PEOPLE BAKA..." or "CAN'T BELIEVE SOME THINGS..." where if you know, you know, and if you don't know, she just looks autistic.
> I only see that being signed when she was let go
That’s how it works. She’s told she’s being let go and that they can offer such and such a deal, but she needs to agree to sign an NDA. So she can walk with a hefty payout or she can walk with bullshit, but either way she’s walking.
Do we have ANY idea what the hell (kek) is going on with Hazbin at this point?
We do know, and there are plenty of threads about it. The only thing that remains to be seen is how soon it will finally collapse and how bad the aftermath will be.
I'm heading over there to Spindlehorse cartoons to find out right now.
Guys I think I see Erica Lindbeck, do you want me to ask her why she isn't doing voice work anymore?
Give her my condolences over her fiancé. He was perfect as Josuke.
When Hazbin turns out to be a piece of shit, it would probably drag Helluva down with it.
Viv will always have her supporters, but the recent episodes of HB are causing a pretty rapid decrease in people invested going by the view count and they have like two dozen animators which is bound to be really fricking expensive.
Combine this with the fact the most recent episode has been out for a month and doesn't even have 10 Million views yet, they'll already striding the line.
It's fair to say that when people waited five years for Hazbin to come out and it turns out bad, what happens when that causes some of the people that Viv can't afford to lose to stop supporting her? The people that buy merch.
S2 isn't expected to end until late next year, by that time Hazbin would have come out and be long finished. If Hazbin sucking causes a significant exodus of fans, I don't see how Viv funds a HB season 3, especially not a full 12 Episodes like S2 is getting.
She might just borrow money from her parents. Apparently they're quite well off.
I actually didn't think of that, either way it would lead to less episodes coming out.
>Viv wanted to make Hazbin 4 seasons
>Talk about constantly changing things midway through production
Viv really loves doing that shit doesn't she? Seems like she tried abandoning the whole concept the pilot laid out just like with what's going on with HB.
Of course, the only tiny issue she faced was that she had higher ups to answer to this time around, and while A24 probably wanted the whole 'Disney Princess inspired Princess of Hell tries to redeem Sinners and get them into Heaven' concept, Viv probably wanted that to take a backseat into poorly done melodrama.
Maybe if Viv is actually out there's hope for this series, because I really do want to see the whole redemption angle explored and not just written off.
>Hazbin finally comes out
>It's rancid dog shit that makes The Circus look decent
>Viv finally comes clean that A24 kicked her to the curb and blames their 'changes' for why it's so bad now that her NDA is up,
>Hazbin never gets another season, the rights are stuck with A24
This is going to be fricking hilarious when this happens.
someone post vivzie when she was skinny
>she used to look like this
>now shes a whale
What fujoshit lifestyle does to a mf.
It’s easy to be effortlessly thin in your teens and early 20s, but if you don’t adopt healthy eating habits and exercise routines early on, it’s common to balloon out in late 20s early 30s.
Could she really not help herself? Did she HAVE to stuff her face with so many cheeseburgers?
She almost looks attractive in that photo. Holy shit, she really let herself go.
Must be all the HUMBLE PIE she’s eating for her treacherous ways.
>No screenshot of Carlos
I don’t have one 🙁
Here you go my guy.
Im sick of that little twerp
She got paid for it, that's all she cares about.
Hence why she sold out in the first place.
moronic take
I can buy Vivi being kicked off her show tbh.
Just from her tweets alone she seems like a very unproffesional person to work with, especially if you're some middle aged boomer like execs usually are in Hollywood.
Your description makes it sound like she just got sort of generally industry-screwed, no self-screwing required. I wouldn't know, I don't keep up.
I love how Viv'z bullshit legit got her show stolen from her and the ip is just going to rot forever after they MAYBE release one season without her.
There's no way this show is coming out, now, right?
Nobody likes Viv or wants to take her shitty shows, and from Viv allegedly losing all the rights from Hazbin, it's probably going to be trapped in some sort of legal limbo forever while the one season sits on some tired intern's desktop for the rest of time
Viv's annoying and almost certainly impossible to work with and all, but frick I couldn't imagine that happening to me.
God willing, all of Vivzie Blart’s hell sharts will die and wither away without anymore popularity.
No fricking way that happens. Animation is expensive to produce. If they finished an entire season, it will air in an attempt to at least recoup some of the losses.
people are only hating on it because they're making it fashionable to do so, not because they actually hate the shows. anyone who hates a show can simply not watch it. putting in the effort to trash talk just shows someone wants a trend to happen because they're an empty husk of a person
Hello Vivienne.
I love Alastor! I want to kiss him on the cheek!
Cute.
Y'know, all this fsggot stuff and only one girl/girl dyke relationship that is more platonic than sexual. I think Viz might be a hetero pretending to be a homo.
apparently some messages got leaked of her hating on ftm trannies because they were "traitors" or something
They're stupid for going from easy-mode (woman) to nightmare mode (short, soft-spoken man with noodle body) but I wouldn't call them traitors.
It's only cool when it's like the "quasi" kind done in media, where they can change into strong monsters n' stuff and wreck things, but otherwise yeah I dunno why you would wanna go down that path considering the risks involved, least from my view. Then again, it's ultimately that person's own choice, after all...
How long do you think HB has left?
Only until Hazbin is unceremoniously dumped on a random streaming service and everyone sees what a mess it is.
Lol imagine the people who will quickly pirate it. Shit imagine if an episode is leaked before it airs. Imagine all of Vivzie's little hive mind twitter fan base in a panic to tell people to be respectful and not watch it....but soon give in and watch it themselves.
A24 anons. I know there is one of you. You can do this. You have that power. You can create chaos. Just pick a special day and do it.
>hazbin hotel: in the shitter
>helluva boss continuity: uncertain
>bridges: burnt
>all good will: destroyed
>weight: gained
Momokun's clone
I'll never forgive her for fricking over my friend Eric by letting that fat little homosexual Adam Neylan write Chaz off as dead by the end of one episode. Originally Chaz was supposed to have a story arch and my pal Eric was going to have a regular voice acting that would have given him some more exposure and put his name out there. But no,for some reason Viv bends over backwards with her floppy Squidward's nose looking breasts in a knock to make that fat israelite gay Neylan happy. Who's show is it Viv you dumb cow? I don't give a frick anymore. Maybe I'll just spill the whole dumpster that is the behind the scenes of this shit show.
Why not do it? Frick it, the show isn't updating for a bit, and anything that forces the c**ts hand now to make her try and explain herself in the usual "Goofy going down a flight of stairs" fashion on twitter.
Two words. israelite lawyers.
The shit she did to Eric just pisses me off so much I want to rip her wig off the next time I see her.
Then "vaguely" hint. Just replace the people you're talking about with Ninja turtles. The lawyers won't know.
this but call them homienardo, homietello, homiengelo and homieel
What about Shredder?
I dont know honestly. Cracker maybe?
Do it anon.
Even in 2019, Meta Runner had better writing than Hazbin
Glitch has always outclassed Vivzie
Rape Collin
Wasn't HH supposed to be out this summer
It’s not happening at this point
Considering they STILL haven’t found a network
Viv has important partying to do in Hollywood clubs.
All I know is there's going to be pseudo intellectual youtubers analyzing just how badly vivi fricked up in a few years when we finally get confirmation what the hell happened. And every single one is going to have a joke about the word "hazbin".
>Few years
God can you imagine 5 years from now, someone on X saying "Hazbin Hotel will come out chuds!"?
So you're saying it'll be the 'Star Citizen' of animation?
Half Life. Episode 3
>Someone on X
God what a stupid name change.
i am not calling it x, frick elon musk
Neither am I, it’s such a pointless name change, it’s not like it’s gonna be easier to market either, since it’s new name is a fricking alphabet letter.
"I followed your x"
Sounds real awkward out of context
helluva boss was a HELLUVA MESS
*drinks from comedically huge bottle of whiskey*
Amusing given another creator working with Norman Reedus only 20 years later.
I honestly thought those cherubs would come back and be more important. They seemed like rival characters and the fact they havent is genuinely surprising. Kinda weird.
They were done by guest animator. He/She is probably too busy to do more episodes.
I hope they come back. I wonder what they've been up to since banishment
I feel like this is still too generously worded. I read her actions as shown here mainly as
>Sell your successful pilot to a Hollywood mini major with zero experience with dealing with 2D animation pipelines/production
>While trying to actively market an in-universe spinoff show that not only does not have the same art direction but doesn't even have any connections to the main show's universe beyond it being in hell
>The show inevitably removes you from production, likely due to a mix of unprofessionalism and not knowing how TV animation works
>Focus on the social media spinoff show instead of the flagship that is supposedly going to be aired on major streaming platforms
>Waste money hiring Kesha for the spinoff show and not even be able to use half of her voice work you likely paid thousands of dollars for due to a lawsuit
>Not only is the mini major fricking around with marketing when the show was allegedly supposed to release this year, but there hasn't been any outside communication from the creator of the show since the pilot first aired.
Even assuming the best of her character (which a lot of people, both trustworthy and less so, have attested otherwise), someone has to take the fall for how badly this has been handled from a comms point of view.