How does Ian Flynn of the Sonic comics writer compare to real comic writers? Like Brian Michael Bendis, Grant Morrison, Claremont, I haven't really read that many comics but people like that. Where does he rank among comic writers in general?
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He's equal to Bendis
aka bottom of the barrel trash every other writer spits on
I read a bunch about Bendis on social media and apparently people thinks he's good at writing individual characters but bad at groups. Also his personal style is apparently noir somehow instead of superhero? Also there's this weird thing called Bendis-speak.
What is Ian's equivalent to this, his distinctive defining traits? Long text boxes for one.
over-reliance on references to the IP, notably song lyrics awkwardly inserted into dialogue. It's why his original comic Drogune failed, he can't write without an IP to piggyback on.
He can't write even with an to piggyback on.
So he's the Zeurel of comics. Got it.
>I read a bunch about Bendis on social media and apparently people thinks he's good at writing individual characters but bad at groups
That's patently false. He has zero range when it comes to character dialogue, every single character just sounds like him and what he would say in a podcast.
Bendis made two decent comics in his career and spent the next 20 doing nothing but trash.
Bendis is also a vandal. He'll come in, rewrite a character and their supporting cast to whatever he feels like that day, with zero thought to why people like a character and what came before, and leaves for the next one.
Bendis is pretty good at crime drama stuff. People say Street Level sometimes in comics, which is reasonable, but he would write a pretty good NYPD Blue comic.
Bendis can’t write characters for shit, needlessly puts his own biases rampant in treatment for characters both positively and negatively plus can’t even attempt to actually follow what other writers continuity or characterisation had came before him and has the same 3 or 4 voices for all his characters with the obnoxious samey dialogue he has
That sounds exactly like Ian in every way. They truly are the same
Not quite true. If that was the case he would have soft rebooted Archie as soon as he got on board but instead he continued right after he picked up and followed up on all of the other writers plot points. Even now, he heavily coordinates with Evan to write stories that do not contradict each other. I have my issues with Flynn's writing, but please critique it for issues it specifically has
he did. That's why he killed off almost every single echidna offscreen and retconned Penders' stories as soon as he got onboard.
Maybe in this case the truth is in the middle. He didn't fully disregard what previous writers did, but sometimes he did. Anyways I think the reason Ian did that was to bring the Archie comics more in line with the games. Echidnas being an endangered species fits a lot with Knuckles being the last echidna in the games.
>He didn't fully disregard what previous writers did, but sometimes he did.
Eh, I can't blame Ian for that one. The Penders enchilada shit was lame and Finitevus was a much better echidna villain than the Dark Legion. Fiona was also way more interesting as a villainess than a diet-Sally.
She wasn’t interesting as either. The only thing she ever did as a “villainess” was be the armcandy for Ian’s favourite edgy stu Sonic recolor
She was much more interesting as a villain to me though.
Perhaps instead of “interesting” you’re misspelling “horny”
She led the Destructix for a while and helped break Scourge out of Zone prison. She was only in like 3 arcs before the Genesis Wave hit, but she had way more potential as a villainess than as another Freedom Fighter.
The only thing she did with the destructix was go to zone jail and let Scourge be the real leader. As a character she was nothing but cheap melodrama bait.
She also slapped the shit out of Tails, which was really funny. He was being such a little incel about her.
Yet another example of Ian’s “great writing” in archie.
Bendis-tier.
he looks like if you stabbed him marshmallow goo would seep out the wound
This, but unironically. Tails was being a little gay and STACYona straightened his shit right out.
>Ian’s fans want ntr cuck shit and for the main game cast to be humiliated
Exhibit A of how low Sonic consoomer-standards are. This is how they gobble up shit like Ian’s awful run and pretend it’s comparable to actual writers
>Tailscel getting mad about OUR GODDESS FIONA putting the little shit in his place, more than 15 years later
If your only mark of pride in a licensed comic is how much it humiliates a licensed character, it’s not a good comic.
>IDW Fiona
If only...
Shut up, archie SHITnic
This is one of the things I actually like that Flynn did. Not perfect but certainly better than the bland character Penders made her out to be from Gallagher's jokey roots, imo. Admittedly I am biased though so don't listen to me.
There are more people who think Ken Penders is the worst person ever in comics than have actually read a comic outside of Sonic (or even read that at all either).
Penders wrote a lot of insane shit and the fallout from his legal frickery sucks. That said, there are way more morons out there that think he unironically wrote all of the insane shit in the comic. It's annoying seeing people blame him for Titan Tails, or anything Karl Bollers did (Mina Mongoose, the Sonic-Sally slap debated to either be his work or Jon Gray's, etc).
Side tangent I did just think of - I'd be curious to know what makes Penders' claim over his shit being his any different from, say, the creator of Ninjara from Archie TMNT taking ownership of that character for himself after that comic's run. I personally think the business relationship between Eastman & Laird was a lot different from Sega, but I'm no lawyer so I can't say.
>ever in comics than have actually read a comic outside of Sonic
Please tell me you're talking about within people who read Sonic comics and not people in general
Sonic comics being the most read comics is laughable
I'm speaking about sonicgays specifically. I think most comic fans probably wouldn't care about sonic unless they like the games a lot or are furgays or something.
>It's annoying seeing people blame him for Titan Tails, or anything Karl Bollers did
That's a good point, Bollers had a hand in some of the comic's more infamous shit as well. He also was the one who initially paired up Fiona with Sonic.
>Side tangent I did just think of - I'd be curious to know what makes Penders' claim over his shit being his any different from, say, the creator of Ninjara from Archie TMNT taking ownership of that character for himself after that comic's run.
Contracts are legally binding, or on the flipside, the absence of contracts is legally unbinding. Penders' case really is as simple as Archie having been idiots. He says there were no contracts- there absolutely were... and they got lost over the years (supposedly on a late 90s fire?). The point is, when the moment came to prove they had the contracts going "the shit Penders did is ours", all they had were xeroxes of said contracts and not the actual documents. Thus, no legally-binding contracts saying the work is theirs, thus, it's not theirs and by default is Penders'.
Not it isn’t you mong, Ian actually tries to follow continuity or use what other writers have done, plus actually tries to make the cast feel distinct from each other and retain their characterisations, he isn’t a perfect writer and not read his idw work but he is not in any close to the talentless hackery of Bendis
Ian actively destroys continuity, shits on and retcons what other writers have done, and despite any attempt you see in him has only 2 voices for all his characters, separated into generic quippy male and boring bossy female, with his obnoxious samey dialogue
Ian also cannot write characters for shit and more than any other writer I've seen par Bendis Ian needlessly puts his own biases rampant in treatment for characters both positively and negatively,
You may of had a point of you mentioned how he writes insane characters similar but he doesn't just make all the male characters snarky or girls bossy, on what way does he write Cream like that or the amount of villain characters with different motives, threat or manner of presentation?
>Ian actually tries to follow continuity or use what other writers have done
Yeah, just like in Frontiers where he literally made it his mission to regress the characters back to fricking Adventure. Worst part is that he didn't even do THAT right.
Nah credit where it's due, Bendis also shoves his fetishes into everything and flips out if a character he doesn't like starts sniffing around one of his waifus.
>Ian based much of his Sonic/Scourge x Fiona cuckshit on his fanfic Other M where he shipped edgy Sonic and Fiona, and also inserted his fanfic team from Other M the main characters of the Silver’s Sonic Universe arc
Yup yup yup, sounds like Ian.
Reminds me of when Ian flipped out because a former writer Gallagher paired a hot girl Barby with Tails, wrote an essay on his blog telling off fans who wanted him to adapt it calling them pedos, then wrote a whole new plotline of Barby getting with a different guy just to cuck Tails
Ian is such a s’oyhomosexual, jesus christ
His fans are too. Ian’s comic is dogshit.
Well then his fans should all go back to their hugbox on twitter
Fricking fed up of these types of gays like Ian and his fans ruining everything. Anyone who shills Ian’s shit please immediately kys for everyone else’s benefit
>Anyone who shills Ian’s shit please immediately kys for everyone else’s benefit
I think he paired her with the platypus character. But yeah, that shit with Barby was where Ian got oddly personal.
It’s all personal, that was just where he happened to be more vocal about it.
The stuff with Barby went nowhere. Calling them a pairing is a massive stretch. She playfully flirted with Tails once or twice. No writer would seriously pair a child with a grown woman.
She flirted with him and they said in the comic she's attracted to him.
That made Ian seethe so bad he wrote a little homosexual tumblr post how he's gonna "kill it and bury it for good" and brought her back JUST to cuck Tails again after he already did with Fiona.
Trash cuck writer, trash cuck comic.
Bendis single handidly did more damage to the comics medium than any other creator
You're thinking of Millar.
I do not like Ian but that's way too harsh.
What Bendis did to Jon and what Ian did to Tails are equivalent in my mind.
bendis is a pavid vermin. the lowest of the low.
Cut Ian some slack anon. If sega didn't have his hands chained up with so many rules Ian would easily be up there with Dan slott before he went insane and tried to replace Peter with miles
dude frick off
He's best when he has a lot to work with and freedom to write what he wants. His Sonic's good and his Mega Man is underrated. His other stuff seems to be mediocre or boring. Overall not bad but his IDW stuff sucks.
Mega Man was fricking kino
Dan Slott tier and not even close to the best when it comes to writers who are mostly known for licenseshit work
Megamix was better
Well, maximum licenceshit is LARRY FRICKING HAMA.
Dan slott has some OK runs like She Hulk. Flyn's a full step down.
I don't think flynn has ever hit storytime of pain levels.
It was crap. Ian clearly wanted to write for Mega Man X, but Capcom forced him to stick to Classic and he had to try his best to make his "What is free will to a robot?" narrative fit into a setting where robots really don't have any. The rest of it was wasting too much time getting to adapting MM3 (where the status quo actually starts getting interesting) and Ian wanting to focus more on the annoying OCs (Tempo and Xander being especially bad).
>wasting too much time on one storyline
>focusing too much on the annoying OCs
Yep, that's Ian alright. I honestly think that IDW's editors might be at fault, here. IIRC Ian had wanted that moronic "House of Cards" arc where Tails' dad wanted to overthrow the monarchy to last longer, but the editors made him cut it short.
I liked a lot of what Ian did with Archie (Finitevus and Sonic Universe especially), but the guy's flaws are starting to show more and more.
I would say equal to Bendis on a bad day.
I wouldn't say Ian Flynn is great or even good, but he can write coherently. I think his bigger strength is stamina. Being able to go for a fricking decade at ANY comic is unusual.
Any professional writer can do that. It's just that Ian's so talentless his attempts at making a non-sonic comic fail spectacularly. He NEEDS the ip.
He’s one of those d-list writers who would get passed off to write a tiny book like squirrel girl or something. He couldn’t handle an event. Geoff Johns is pretty bad but his original ideas like the Lantern Corps are way better than anything Ian’s made.
>A sonic comic... REFERENCES THE SOURCE MATERIAL?!??!
AAAAAAUGH I'M GOING INSANE THIS IS TRASH
I typically expect a story to do new and creative things than repeat Sonic Heroes for the twentieth time.
Having a reference every now and then is cute. But Flynn never stopped at just cute references; it became a crutch for his writing entirely. He'll take song lyrics as a substitute for dialogue, he'll retread entire character arcs, he'll wholesale repackage entire storylines. And when he tries to shove said references in the middle of arcs that are meant to be taken seriously because he can't control himself, they're utterly immersion shattering.
Flynn turns what should be neat little nods into naval-gazing.
>Providing insight into a main character as he reflects on a previous arc
>Immediately transitions into a pointless reference.
>This also is the entirety of forces.
The modern Ian experience.
What exactly is the reference I'm supposed to be seeing?
Open Your Heart
Sonic and Eggman quote it in one panel
Sonic fans are always such gay whining little pussies.
takes one to know one
God forbid Sonicgays have actual standards for once.
>somewhere in the multiverse, he stayed good.
Who was his special someone? Was he fricking a furry??
I think he was referring to Belle, his badnik daughter
Might be that unicorn in the second panel.
no Eggman don't you'll be violating GR15
Look he might be good now but a former supervillain needs to keep just a little bit of rascal energy and disrespect for the law.
I would've been fine with Tinker going bcak to Eggman eventually, but the LEAST the comic could've done was actually give the audience time with Tinker. How the hell did Ian think Sonic's "philosophy" has any merit when they don't even try to convince the audience that Tinker was legit?
Same gripe, would have been nice to keep him around for more than like what? Two issues?
It should've been Starline who unleashed the Metal Virus in a hatchet-job attempt to restore Eggman's memories (that fails). Then we'd get Mr Tinker helping Sonic and co stop it, and the evil of the event would be at Starline's feet instead of Eggman's.
Yeah, and that'd be a pretty good reason for Sonic to loath Starline enough to piss on his grave. It makes no sense as to why IDW Sonic hated Starline when he didn't even DO anything. Sonic KNOWS Metal was the one that found Tinker, Eggman being revived was entirely Sonic's fault.
>>A sonic comic... REFERENCES THE SOURCE MATERIAL
... okay. Does it have any other tricks? Or is that all it does?
It has 2 tricks, rehashing, and introducing bland ocs to tell bland stories, also minor case of crying lesbians but that's more a meme then fact
When Sega is so creatively stifling to the writers, what else is there to work with?
People are tired of the past. He's not allowed to write for Sonic's future.
This is the main reason I've been taking Flynn less and less seriously over the years. He just can't compete with all the greats out there, and I honestly don't think Sonicgays usually read many comics.
It might be too much to ask of a guy who mostly writers license comics mainly aimed at kids (even though I honestly think the Sonic people are aiming it more at older fans), but after reading some legitimately "great" comics Flynn can't really compete. I dunno how to put it in a way that doesn't make me sound like a moron.
>honestly don't think Sonicgays usually read many comics.
They don't even buy Sonic comics lol
IDW Sonic has the biggest disproportion between fandom discussion and actual sales
They're the most blatant textbook definition of licenseshitter moronation
Sonicgays only consume Sonic-related media. It is known.
>and I honestly don't think Sonicgays usually read many comics.
Iangays don't even read Ian comics. There's a recurring one on these threads who keeps going "is it so bad I think Ian Flynn is a good writer? I loved reading his Archie comics, they're a part of my childhood!", then you ask if he's read anything else Ian has written, so as to actually be able to understand Ian as a writer, and get radio silence in return
To be fair, Sonic is the only shit by him that I've read too. I know he's done original work but it always seemed oddly derivative to me so I never checked it out.
>it's like most of his magic comes from his decades of practice as a Sonic fan and fanfic guy being applied to the Sonic comic. He's great at that and that made him a good writer, he knows his way around the comic, it's just hard for him to create an original world and spin a great book from it.
Bingo. This is why his run on Archie Sonic sorta worked; he was already a fan of the series, had his own fan comic, and therefore he already had strong feelings on what was working from Penders/Bollers and crew's run and what wasn't. Even so, with all of that, it had similar issues with pacing and dialogue (Bendis is a pretty apt comparison) and as I said before it's just... a weird anomaly to me compared to some other good comic writers out there.
I feel most people, even posters here, would be able to write Archie Sonic from the fact everything was already pre-written. Especially when the bar is "be better than that sperg Ken Penders who made the comic into a joke".
NTA and I genuinely liked his Archie run, but you're not wrong. I've seen a couple of fan-continuations of Archie and Fleetway that honestly are about as compelling as Ian's original Archie run and vastly preferable to IDW. That isn't to say that most Sonic fancomics are that good, but it's still worth noting.
All the fan continuations suck ass and are way worse about pushing LGBT bullshit than IDW is.
Okida's Sonic the Continuation is unironically better than IDW. Things at least happen in Okida's comic.
thx for the recommendation, gonna read through the okida run later
Hope you like it! It's pretty gonzo and crazy, but I feel like that fits the Fleetway universe well.
True, but there's a good line to skirt between cringe, autism, and fun. He did it well, better than what regular fans can do and better than what a hired writer going from project to project could do. There are plenty of fans, maybe some who could do better, but they're rare and he's perfectly specialized for this. He's called himself the fast food of comic writers, he doesn't think he's quality is stellar, but he knows his way around a simple, stupid, sloppy product and he keep a large audience coming back for more.
>I feel most people, even posters here, would be able to write Archie Sonic
This is why I can't ever take you guys seriously.
Ian Flynn was literally just some fanfic writer before coming to Archie.
he was literally just some fanfic writer while writing archie, lol
And I've seen your guys ideas.
That is the biggest issue with the former Archie, now current IDW creative team. They are fanfic writers/fan artists first, professionals later.
Thus, if it was on their power, they would use the comic to officialize all their headcanons. And not only the good ones, like ABT's desire to give all female characters D-cup or biggers breasts, but also bad ones, like all of Evan's fujo fantasies.
Non-fans have no interest in writing for Sonic.
Sega isn't willing to pay an actual writer for their games. I know for a fact that Ian is cheap since he's freelance.
Reminder that Yuji Naka got fricking fired during development of 06 because he asked for a raise.
This is basically what ruined IDW TF, they let the british homosexuals who used to run some gay pseudointellectual fanfic newsletter about the UK marvel comics run the comic and Hasbro gave them way too much influence.
>To be fair, Sonic is the only shit by him that I've read too. I know he's done original work but it always seemed oddly derivative to me so I never checked it out.
Which I think is fine, unless you're out here trying to defend him going "no, no, he's a good writer, why can't I say he's a good writer, you guys are just haters", in which case I think it's really stupid to try and judge this guy's skills while only being familiar with one portion of what he's done
I was reading Alan Moore’s ‘Miracleman’ for the first time when I caught an Ian Flynn archie storytime on the side. sonic and fiona fight bean and a octopus mech or something.
It was like whiplash from how bad I realised Ian’s shit is, lmao
It's probably not fair to compare someone like Flynn to frickin Moore but I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel the same way (and tbf, by that extent, the OP would be unfair too). That happened to me with Frank Miller and Dave Sim (kooky writers as they go along in their career, mind you, but I digress).
What an odd comparison.
Different audiences for sure, but it shone light on how boring, uncreative and unambitious Ian’s writing is.
>Different audiences for sure
Try different everything. It's apples and oranges in all aspects.
I think Ian’s stories could’ve benefitted a lot from taking some lessons from it.
It’s completely unafraid to change the status quo. Ancillary characters have their own stories and agency happening in parallel to the main character. Betrayals and character moments mean something permanent and aren’t just forgotten.
The issue I read was 3/4 of the FF just standing still as statues cheerleading for Sonic while he beats the bad guy. None of them may as well exist but as satellites.
To be fair, Sega doesn't want the characters to change and exist eternally as a singular monolithic ideal
I also think Ian should have explored the setting in more depth. Things like where does Sonic get powers from; why does Tails have two tails or a “destiny”; what friends and life do the FF have outside of being Sonic’s cheerleaders?
Nothing as enthused as Gargunza using 4d spaceship tech to clone superhuman corpses, but I just see a lot of potential there that is squandered because Ian doesn’t think that far ahead.
>Things like where does Sonic get powers from
Thanks for confirming this place has the worst ideas.
If you don’t wanna explore your setting, that’s perfectly fine. But don’t try to larp as an extremely melodramatic self-serious edgefest like archie did when you refuse to worldbuild.
But that's what the OCs are for, yet they're written to be in eternal status as well. Kit and Surge can never complete their mission, Belle can never have her father back, Whisper will never get over her trauma, etc. Clearly this isn't exclusively a Sega issue. All the characters have these carrot on a stick character arcs that can never be reasonably resolved because its an easy source for melodrama.
Better yet, just invent new shit to explore.
Are you kidding? Granted I haven't read many Sonic comics since I think Sonic is for mouthbreathers, but the Mega Man comics I read were embarrassing. This guy couldn't get a job working for the big two. He's IDW tier.
He didn't age as well as Christina Ricci
Ian's main appeal back in the day was "He's not Ken Penders".
So with Penders' relevancy seeping away with every year, especially after Archie Sonic got shitcanned entirely, people (Sonicgays are not people) are starting to realize, wow, he's actually not very good. His frickbuddy Stanley isn't much better either.
Ian at least wrote a good Sonic Boom episode.
For all his faults, Penders was a better writer.
In theory, but definitely NOT in execution.
Is this just another schizho thread or just a really lame april fools joke?
I think Ian's fine.
Considering his original stuff doesn't really take off, I'd say pretty low. I know that it's shitty to say that sales = quality, but it's like most of his magic comes from his decades of practice as a Sonic fan and fanfic guy being applied to the Sonic comic. He's great at that and that made him a good writer, he knows his way around the comic, it's just hard for him to create an original world and spin a great book from it. Also his Mega Man is great.
I think his Archie Mega Man/Sonic stuff is pretty good, haven't read his other works despite meaning to check them out
Also, I think comparing most writers to Morrison and Claremont is a bit of a high bar
A loving tribute to IDW Sonic <3
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This shit is peak fan content god damn
It's ai so not peak in my book
>AIslop
>AIGOLD
>How does Ian Flynn of the Sonic comics writer compare to real comic writers?
I'm not the biggest fan of Ian, but the Archie Sonic comics are real comics, therefore Ian Flynn is a real comic writer, so there's no comparison, really.
wasn't an issue supposed to come out last month or something? was it ever sotrytimed?
When is Cinemaphile going to storytime this 10/10 shitpost?
https://stupacabra.itch.io/sonic-a-life-wasted
>schizo still seething
Seek help
All Sonic writers, from east to west, are all shit compared to real comic writers.
I hate how Ian's writing style has become so Flanderized it retroactively ruined this page.
Is that to say that he uses references as a default taking away from how special the reference could have been?
Pretty much, yeah. Had that panel been a special case it'd still be one of the best Mega Man pages out there. But Ian played this card so often it totally lost all effectiveness it had.
Not sure I would expect superb writing from a fricking Sonic comic.
Its still a leap comparerd to the games
What games specifically?
The ones Ian Flynn writes for
Fair.
So one?
I just find his writing generally boring. There is no charm or personality in what he writes. It's almost like he's an AI. It's so generic.
Pretty low but I'd take his Archie Sonic run over Mark Millar's Fleetway run any day.
>oi wots a chilean dog govna?
This was before the DIC cartoons that established Sonic eating chilli dogs
Mark Millar might be the one guy who's somehow even more creatively bankrupt than Ian. Seriously, I'm baffled that clown even has a career, he almost exclusively produces low effort shlock.
Mark Millar's Fleetway run, being fair to him, was all written in about 48 hours, to make enough money to finance his wedding.
OP is a shitty person.
Sonic Frontiers exposed how horrible his reference filled dialogue is when read out loud.
Is public opinion actually turning on Flynn's writing or is it just Cinemaphile and >>>/vg/ ?
I remember fans going off on Kishimoto for wholesale rewriting the Japanese dialogue for Frontiers.
Twitter isn't anywhere near as positive about Flynn. I think YouTube and Reddit still seem positive about Flynn from what I can gather.
Tumblr is more mixed. r/comicbooks seems to praise Flynn's writing ability in all his comics, so does r/sonicthehedgehog. I theorize it has something to do with the reddit hivemind where people already had a formed consensus about Flynn's writing ability about it being good and any flaw of it being due to the mandates the writers are given. Its been this way for years, and persists because of inertia.
Twitter is pretty openly negative about Flynn and has been for a while. I think they are being too harsh.
No, it's more that Reddit will ban you for saying something negative to avoid a "toxic environment".
People seem to enforce through downvoting any dislike being expressed at Ian Flynn's writing.
Penders is becoming less and less relevant so Flynn's writing is losing its crutch to lean on. YouTube and Reddit people still care about Penders I'm sure so no surprise there
More people think Ken Penders is the devil than actually read Sonic comics
Hell there are actual idiots who think Penders is even near close to the most hated person in comics
He's certainly the most hated person involved with Sonic comics, mostly due to his legal shenanigans. His writing sucked but people could've gotten over that if it weren't for the legal drama that let to the Genesis Wave.
Anyone else feel Lanolin would just break down and cry in Sally's arms over her not being able to handle being team leader role.
Migrate to pluschan for superior sonic discussion.
Link it
The only thing anyone does there is post grotesque footporn, spam sonally self-insert art, and circlejerk over Ian’s archie crap
>tailscuck still at it
Kys
It's sad that even after the threads he's still at it
I'm gonna be honest:
I like Ian's writing. It's not always good, but it's never dogshit. The characters, regardless of how you feel about them, at least stay consistent. Sonic's not just some butthole one minute and then wacky jokester the next. The references and callbacks do get to be a little much sometimes, but it at the very least shows they're trying to stay consistent within the canon, rather than everything being up in the air.
He knows how the characters work as much as most people who've been involved with Sonic for years.
My only gripe with their current writing in IDW is just how many issues lately have been either nothing happening or things getting wrapped up too fast. Issue 68 was literally "stuck in cave, monster lets them out, the end" in the span of maybe four pages. Then you have the current arc with Mimic, Surge, and Kit where the last few issues had nothing but them talking and revealing their intentions at the beginning or end of the issues, completely ruining the tension the story was trying to set up.
I don't know if it's strictly Ian doing this, but they need to frick off with the Whisper trauma shit at this point. I love Whisper, but it's bullshit that 90% of the stories she's in is just her being traumatized or hurt rather than being allowed to explore other parts of her character. Just give the girl a fricking break, Christ.
But other than that, I think he's an okay writer. He definitely helped get the franchise back on the right track after the last decade. I think as long as he has people helping keep him on the right path, Sonic's gonna be fine in his hands.
Then again, I thought TLOU2 was gonna be fine with Neil in charge, so we'll see what happens once the comics start back up next month.
And yes, I'm Reddit Spacing. Frick you, I like paragraphs.
>I don't know if it's strictly Ian doing this, but they need to frick off with the Whisper trauma shit at this point. I love Whisper, but it's bullshit that 90% of the stories she's in is just her being traumatized or hurt rather than being allowed to explore other parts of her character. Just give the girl a fricking break, Christ.
The only other thing they can explode concerning Whisper is the parts of her that tangle wants to sniff and lick and that's not a kid friendly thing.
>He knows how the characters work as much as most people who've been involved with Sonic for years.
He writes them OOC, though.
>It's not always good, but it's never dogshit. The characters, regardless of how you feel about them, at least stay consistent.
I'm sorry, but I just can't agree. Ian's Sonic constantly goes back and forth being a hypocritical, preachy idiot to being an aggressive sociopath incapable of self-reflection. Eggman ping pongs between being an omnicidal maniac that would happily commit war crimes and a sympathetic goofball father figure. Amy is just a complete blank slate now, Knuckles is somehow even MORE one-dimensional than usual, Tails is just a mess, etc.
Ian only understands them on a surface level. His writing totally falls flat once he has to go deeper, due to assuming only HIS interpretation is worth a damn. He then uses references and snarky one liners as spackle to hide the damage.
One page from IDW I will never let go of is pic related. It is the perfect example of just how little Ian actually knows about these characters besides skimming Wikipedia articles.
Ian is a massive Sonic fan. He started out his work by writing a fancomic in the early 2000s called Sonic Other M. He also managed to get on Sonic-grams by sending them mail on the Archie comics under the pseudonym of Ian Potto. Say what you will about him, but he's a Sonic fan through and through for better and for worse.
Anyone else find it weird how dismissive IDW Sonic is when it comes to people crying? Like, one of the main tenets of Adventure-era Sonic was how he would immediately drop any sense of snark and bravado if it meant consoling a crying girl, yet here's IDW Sonic just acting like an butthole whenever it comes up.
It's so strange how consistently the comic drops the ball here, especially when that is the perfect time to actually SHOW Sonic's empathetic, compassionate side instead of just TELLING the audience that he is.
>I don't know if it's strictly Ian doing this
He hasn't been head writer since 33
He’s severely overrated because Sonicgays don’t read anything but sonic and would eat turds out a bowl if they were colored blue and spelled out a cringy 90s catchphrase.
You can already see various examples in this thread of how dogshit his archie writing was, and idw is boring and uncreative. The only non-sonic writer I’d compare him to is Bendis, but even for Bendis’ dogshit he at least has the ability to be creative - something Ian lacks.
This.
But imagine that poop wasn't physically dangerous for your health and some people end up liking it subjectively? Is that so wrong?
Yes. Only by shaming the shit-eating tribe members do you stop mediocrity being encouraged.
If you keep spamming "KEKSHIT KEKSHIT KEKSHIT" about a single arc from a 200+ issue comic, you'll surely shame people! Any day now....
Truly noone can ever stop you eating Ian’s shit, anon. You are the immovable shit-eater.
Naw, I don't enjoy IDW. Return to Angel Island, the Finitevus arcs, Shadow Fall, and a lot of the post-160 adventures are pretty b***hin', though.
Bollers wrote RTAI though
Oh, right. My bad.
I like his writing style. I think that it isn't mediocre, and that it is in fact good from my subjective perspective, and the weight I put on the positives and negatives on scenes from the comic.
How does archie/tails kun compare to realCinemaphile shitposters?
Where does he rank among Cinemaphile schizos in general?
I think the Rides broke him. If you look up "cuckshit Archie" on tbharchive, there are posts from 2 years ago: https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/cuckshit%20archie/
She'd be so much fun. She's completely powerless, but so are all the other IDW villains, so her not sobbing every five seconds and being a nasty b***h would be the highlight of the comic.
Imagine if she had a lewd sleepover with Surge....
>unironic Iansimps
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Art is inherently subjective. Sure there is an objective aspect to what happens in the comics, but whats subjective is the interpretation of whether what happens is good or not.
Call them Iancucks, because they simp for a cuck comic and a writer who inserts his disgusting cuck fetish into a sonic comic. Iangays celebrate and cheer and want cuckshit in sonic and love Ian for giving them that.
Bendis-tier
>two
>short
>arcs
>cuckshit cuckshit cuckshit
Why are Tailscels so mindbroken?
>he says, posting his saved cuck art of said “short arcs” wanking his sef-insert Sonic
Proven my point
>one issue where Tails screams at Sonic
>one issue where Fiona slaps a homie
>one issue where Tails is upset
>"House of Cards" arc is 3 issues
SIX
ISSUES
BROKE
TAILSCELS
And all the ten years of issues, between that and after that, where Fiona is paired with Sonic and then with Evil Sonic to wank off Ian’s self-insert, and Tails is humiliated and made to be Sonic’s doormat even after Sonic cucked him.
That’s the shit Sonicgays gobble up and consoom.
>sonic self-inserters only like archieshit because it pairs Sonic with Fiona
Self-inserters, not even once.
homie you've been self-inserting as Tails for thread after thread. You act like Sonic and Fiona cucked you and Ian Flynn murdered your family or some shit.
>thinks Tails is entitled to Fiona
>mad that she shacked up with Scourge even after proving to be an evil b***h
The frick are you on about? If a woman divorces a man and then remarries, is that "cucking?" You're moronic.
Cucking is a made up word, here you are trying to pedantise about it.
It’s a shit cuck story made by an obese cuckwriter who wants Sonic and Edgy Sonic to have a harem and for the only girl Tails loves to humiliate him to wank Sonic some more.
It’s SHIT and you are SHIT for praising Ian for it.
>wants Sonic and Edgy Sonic to have a harem
No, he wanted to give Scourge his own anti-Freedom Fighters who didn't hate his guts and weren't stuck in another dimension all the fricking time. He picked Fiona (because she was a nothing character) and the Destructix, because Mogul was a shit villain and more interesting as a casino boss.
Besides, Fiona and Tails was never gonna work. He was 11 and she was 16 or whatever, there was no way she'd be into him unless the characters aged up or something, which was never gonna happen.
Rouge kissed Tails in Sonic X and nobody complained.
Because it was an obvious trick to win a competition. Tailsgays are so desperate for validation.
No, he wanted Scourge to have a second girlfriend so he could give Sonic back Sally and Amy. It was literally done so Sonic could get handed Sally back.
Your twitter le agegap bullshit also isn’t any excuse for writing a story about Sonic emasculating Tails and cucking him with the girl he loves. If that’s the case then give Tails a girlfriend his own age to make up for humiliating him so badly across all your stories (which he didn’t, because according to him Tails having a gorlfriend his own age would also be “creepy”)
>he wanted Sonic to be back with his established love interest instead of a barely-there character like Fiona
>he didn't want to write a romance between 11 year-olds
That BASTARD.
Don’t write an arc about a character being cucked if you want to reward the douchebag with love and force the victim to kiss the douchebag’s ass for the rest of his life.
That’s just writing 101. Every other time any other writer was ever STUPID enough to write shit like that, they alwaus end it in the douchebag getting beaten to a pulp then the victim finding his own love. Sonic gets away consequence-free and rewarded only because Ian self-inserts as him.
No one gives a shit autist, the Ride ended days ago.
Move on.
Reminder Ian has stone walled all attempts to bring back SatAM Robotnik. And yet gets pissed off at there being multiple canon Eggmen.
Then he ignored the continuity that the new Eggman is an AU robot ubervillain from another universe because he wabted to force a shit story how Sonic minbreaks Eggman afyer “decades” of losing to Ian’s favourite mary sue mickey mouse
His excuse was always being new readers would be confused in why there are two Robotniks.
Eggman had the exact same memories of losing to Sonic as the old Robotnik did, and he was only mindbroken for the length of the Iron Dominion arc.
No he didn’t, he came from a world where he won and crosses over to new worlds to kill more because it’s a pasttime. Snively also narrates it as though he’s been there for all of it, when Snively has barely been with this guy for months.
>he came from a world where he won
Once
I think what really annoys me about this dude is how he never takes responsibility for his own frickups. It's never his fault whenever something happens, he always passes the blame to the next guy over. Whether it's his coworkers, the "mandates", Sega themselves, or even the goddamn audience, he's more than willing to throw whoever he can under the bus to keep his reputation as face of """""good""""" Sonic writing intact.
It's the exact kind of sociopathic behavior you'd expect from corrupt CEO's, yet the fanbase rabidly defends him at every turn. It's no wonder his Sonic writing is out of whack when he doesn't even have the same principles as the franchise he's writing for.
I have spoken to one of the IDW people. The comic is constantly delayed or forced to make changes off the whim of the japanese merchandising branch.
This is an issue that's been going on since Archie, though.
Before Penders fricked it all up Arche was free to do as they please. Only to do obligatory marketing tie ins for their games.
Funny enough, back in the old days, only Sonic, as in the character, was "heavily" policed by Sega. In fact, Penders has admitted that many plots he wrote for Sonic were rejected and ultimately ended up in Knuckles (who was barely monitored at the time).
Which is why Knuckles ended up being the receptor of all his storylines. Basically, he realized he could get his "original" stories published by just replacing his MC with Knuckles and turning all the supporting cast into echidnas... what he failed to realize is that Knuckles would never be a character of his own property.
Tails should’ve just fricked Sally. A better writer than Ian would’ve done that.
>Fiona should've just pegged Tails
fix'd
Only if Chad Moore writes it
How many cope threads are you going to make tailscuck?
I’m just saying, after Dini did that in Beyond he made Nightwing overpower and humiliate Batman in a fight and continue beating his face in after Bruce fell over onto the floor, Barbara miscarry bruce’s baby, Barbara then fricking another man in front of Bruce, then Bruce dying alone with Nightwing and everyone else in the Batfam hating his guts.
If Dini of all people can understand his self-insert deserves some cosmic revenge dealt on him, anyone can. Ian’s more embarassing about his favoritism than Dini.
Am I suppose to think any of that is good?
Seems a fitting revenge for me. Most nightwing readers feel that was not harsh enough even. Most Beyond convos appreciate that Bruce deserved dying alone after that, fans of Batman and Nightwing alike.
You didn’t want him to spend the rest of his life kissing Bruce’s ass after such a heinous betrayal, would you archiebro? This isn’t an Ian Flynn book.
Dini was the one to make that shit plotline a thing in the first place.
True. So if you are stupid enough to write that kind of plotline, the least you can do is give the victim of it some satisfying revenge.
SonicGODS mindbroke capeshitters.
We own this board.
Archie stole the majority of its plotpoints from capeshit. Every echidna atory is just rehashes of superman stories.
homie, Archie Sonic took a lot from capeshit
Mammoth Mogul is a poor man's Vandal Savage you tard
The sonic storytimes were the best threads on your shitty board.
Know that homosexual.
Now that we moved on to a better imageboard you will have to samegay your bait threads or hope /sthg/ gays give a shit.
Bye.
Actually link pluschan here I want to see it
Just google it
is it plusCinemaphile
Yes
>15 or so IPs total
>zero art because zero talent
>copy-pasted token responses like “wew!” a billion times each thread instead of actual commentary of substance
>90% of any actual discussion is just 15 or so middle-aged furries tryhard larping as gays, transgenders and “grippers” (footgays)
Wow that’s some best thread, archiebro
You lost, tailsgay.
Everyone knows you are a lolcow.
You coulda mentioned the pathetic loser who went into them to get mad at the comic and the people reading them for several threads, now that guy was a sad sack of shit, but what can you expect from a schizo jannie
Yeah, they were awesome until you people ruined them. Good riddance.
You mean the schizoid itt?
You can thank your jannies for that.
Wait, is the fricking Sonic storytime general gone from Cinemaphile? Can we be so blessed?
IDW was a mistake
>new idw fang shit tomorrow
Sigh.
>dude im le cultured i read moore shit
>not a seething tails cuck, Cinemaphile bros
>those sonicgays are le mean
Seek help
Wow, this was a schizo thread lmao, lemme know when guy posts gore or spams norgate porn, that's what happens when runs out of his catchphrases