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This just broke my brain, she reminds me of my little sister.
Have sex, with her.
mutants have sisters?
thanks for exposing yourself you manlet chink freak
lmao based communist hater
Isn't that the lady from the new Jurassic World?
what dino does she play?
The books were literally 10x better than this wokist trash series.
Only the second season was woke. The first season was kino.
Rewriting Quelkrist Falconer, a Japanese woman who died 300 years before he was born into his bullsyke black ex-lover who also invented the envoys instead of them being the UN protectorate special forces and she wanted to destroy the cortical stacks instead of seeing them as humanity's liberation..... No the entire thing was a horrific rewrite. A Land Fit for Heroes would have been a significantly better idea to make a series, it already had 2 gay characters (ones literally a pederast boy fricker, ones a black lesbian who owns female sex slaves). At least Netflix would know what to do with that material.
the main actor parts were KINO
Oh you are one of those "people" who cares more about performance and character than world building and themes being accurately conveyed... Please fall down a flight of stairs, the world doesn't need more like you.
it was kino mate no need to get upset
you should read books
Black person you're on the wrong board
is for bookgays.
if you want "world building and themes," you read books. because there are hard limits on what visual mediums can convey
This isn't about a hard limit. It's about them directly and literally inverting the central theme tied into the high concept sci-fi technology the setting is built around to meet a woke agenda that these jolly African Americans seem to insist didn't happen.
so you did read the book(s). so do you understand how it wouldn't be possible to even mention a book-accurate falconer in a tv series? we don't even need to go into how it seems to be forbidden to imply the united states or UN engages in or ever would engage in literal terrorism to further its agendas on an institutional level.
Quite frankly I don't see how it isn't possible. Maybe I'm just autistic and genuinely can't tell what a normie would think watching the show if it was more accurate to the books; none of the falconer quotes from the books that I can recall specifically stand out as something you couldn't say on television. This just kind of reminds me of Leviathan: On the matter and form of a commonwealth both ecclesiastical and civil by Thomas Hobbes. You can buy it in a book store and no one will stop you but if you start talking about the Felicity and Misery of Man in front of normies there are people who will become insanely angry with you for doing it because there is a very clear negative space in the data that points towards mechanical functions of secret societies.
the point isn't as much that quellcrest was too hot for TV, but that the concept of envoys needed to be bent around and turned inside out in order to be allowed on TV. as state funded/trained/deployed terrorists are a big no-no. then since quellcrest was little more than a footnote in the book, but also a revolutionary, he gets a woke makeover and becomes the source of the terrorist main character's training.
What's woke about it homosexual?
>what's woke about changing a man into a strong black female revolutionary trying to take down the patriarchy
... everything?
>nothing specific
Nothing at all more like.
You think woke just means changed because you've only been here three days and haven't figured out the terminology yet, and also haven't watched enough content to know why woke is bad.
what's unspecific about taking a male character and changing his race, gender, and political motivations to be more compatible with popular current politics?
like was said, the character wasn't even prominent in the books.
That didn't happen is season 1. Season 1 was a straight fish out of water detective story with a great plot and a sick twist at the end.
we're talking about quellcrest falconer, a male character in the book, who had been dead for hundreds of years, who staged a laughably failed revolution for [something, can't find it because the internet only has information about the tv character??] changed into a black female, who is also a super-scientist who invented the cortical stacks, and also wants to take down the patriarchy.
>changed into a black female, who is also a super-scientist who invented the cortical stacks, and also wants to take down the patriarchy.
IN SEASON 2.
In season 1 it was about asian dude in white chad body investigating his own sister without even knowing it. Never mind the fricking books, it was a good show.
gender-swapped, motivation-swapped, race-swapped, alliance-swapped, leader/creator of the envoys quellcrest falconer was in season 1.
For all of five seconds and incidental. He was haunted by the ghost of his sister who wasn't actually a ghost. The revolution was a silly little thing from centuries ago and his sister, who had been alive that whole time and become corrupted with age, came up with a plan to rescue her brother who was the only thing that actually meant anything to her. Only for her brother to basically not recognize what she'd become.
That's kino.
thanks for outing yourself as a moron, i guess.
If the story can't take place without the characters acting like people who don't actually live in that setting then it isn't a story worth telling no matter how it makes you feel or how interesting it is. Now imagine instead of that she got the readily available psychic surgery to prevent her from caring which she would have which would have been an afternoon appointment because not even mental illness still exists in that future because with the brain completely digitized the problem bits of someone's psychology can just be removed. Eat a colossal bag of dicks. You will literally never be able to appreciate how good the source material is.
>You will literally never be able to appreciate how good the source material is.
And you will always be on the WRONG FRICKING BOARD FOR TALKING ABOUT BOOKS YOU LIKED.
TELEVISION
AND
FILM
NOT BOOKS
so what brand of mental moronation do you have? down's or something they couldn't detect before birth?
>so what brand of mental moronation do you have?
The brand of mental moronation where I hang out on a board for discussing television and film and don't try to discuss books.
the books come up because the show is basically nonsense.
The books because you're a fricking pretentious homosexual that thinks reading pulp sci fi makes you an english lit professor. The absurdity of that is an english lit professor is a fricking looser and you're not even close to that level, that's aspirational to you!
"The book was better" has never ever been a good argument against a film.
You have literally no idea who the frick you are talking too.
First year undergrad I'm guessing. Having you figured out that being the smartest guy in high school doesn't mean shit at university yet? Because that's not the harshest lesson you're going to learn.
>except its a great example of how completely nonsensical the show's plot/premise are
Except it isn't. At all.
The argument is "They changed it from thing A to thing B" with no examination of thing B.
And as I have fricking told several fricking times now and you have not ONCE addressed without referencing the book, thing B is actually pretty good.
the show's plot is an example of a surface level read of the book's premise, that only works if the premise isn't articulated at all, and current year sentiments are shoved in to replace any illustration of how humanity would be changed by being freed from death/disease. as the show is built entirely around currently held understandings of "human nature."
>the show's plot is an example of a surface level read of the book's premise
and?
Fricking AND?!?!?
That's not a fricking sin moron. 80% of everything Hollywood has ever made, including some of the best movies in history, did EXACTLY that.
Paul Verhoeven didn't even read Starship Troopers the book, and it's my favorite film (it's a mediocre book).
So frick the fricking book.
Paul Verhoeven was pissed that Starship Troopers was a fascist novel so he wanted to make an anti-fascist movie to explicitly shit on it but he accidentally made a pro-fascist movie instead.
He's always been very bad at communicating his own intended messages, such as "Do not give guns to robots no matter how awesome they are" and "I strongly discourage you from sticking your dick in 1990 Sharon Stone"
>Paul Verhoeven was pissed that Starship Troopers was a fascist novel
That's the most wrong thing I've read this year.
He literally liked the title and the bit about fighting space bugs.
verhoven read enough of starship troopers to understand it was an unintentional endorsement of fascism, and the movie leaned as far into that as it possibly could.
the altered carbon show was someone barely understanding that "people are like immortal now and stuff?" and then just stuffing in current year politics.
wish i could remember what quellism was in the books though
>verhoven read enough of starship troopers
No he didn't. That's wrong.
He FAMOUSLY looked at the cover and read the blurb, then handed it to Ed Numier.
In the book Rico is fricking Filipino and Dizzy is a scottish dude who dies in the prologue and they all wear power armor because future tanks suck. Not to mention the book was libertarian bullshit because Heinlein was a degenerate.
You wouldn't be more wrong if you said it was actually written by a chinaman about a panda.
No. I'm an published author and editor. Poetry and fantasy/sci-fi genre fiction. I have several thousand followers on YT and Twitter and they're willing to buy what I write before I've even wrote it. Try actually getting published before you talk about what makes an effective narrative (protip: if the characters have to behave like contemporary people instead of people who know the ins and outs of the world they live in and that solutions to their problems exist in that setting you don't have a story worth telling cuz it's 100% contrived.
>I'm an published author and editor.
And you suck at film criticism.
Welcome to Cinemaphile where the only thing that matters is what's said, not who's saying it. Don't like it? Then leave.
Also I don't believe you because you talk like a homosexual and you're wrong about everything.
You only get to be this big a homosexual when you are published because over 99% of people who try for over a decade fail.
Don't care. You're still a homosexual that belongs on
You can come back here when you start pretending you write screenplays, at which point you'll still be a homosexual because the people who are actually successful in TELEVISION AND FILM stay anonymous on Cinemaphile.
mein negir, did you just imply you were successful in television and film?
No Black person, I just implied that around here "I'm a published author" makes you less than shit.
except its a great example of how completely nonsensical the show's plot/premise are, when the actual version of the show's plot/premise exists. and we can point to the reason for all the changes being political, rather than an attempt to make a quality product.
The books will always come up because the show is a 100% dumpster fire that subverted the entire fricking point the books were trying to make about human nature when freed from temporal constraints and all illness (including mental illness as we know it) no longer exists.
>that subverted the entire fricking point the books were trying to make
No it didn't, it ignored it completely and told a different story.
And what an intelligent person does is ignore the books completely so they can enjoy the film.
Otherwise why watch it? There's no reason because there is no chance you will enjoy it.
And then you wouldn't be ITT because you wouldn't have seen it, you'd be on
discussing the book, only nobody on
is going to give a flying frick about some obscure sci fi book.
>it ignored it completely and told a different story.
then why call it altered carbon?
Because it has the same premise. Which is what they took from it.
The stacks, the envoys, the malathusians or whatever they are, the AI hotels.
They didn't fricking care about the 20 fricking fans this book had, that's not why they licenced it. This is just how adaptations go. This isn't The Witcher where they licenced it because it was popular and changed it to teach the people who liked it a lesson. This was just a straight adaptation.
>they kept a bunch of names
and so the books come up, because apparently a lot of people read at least the first of them.
>and so the books come up
No the books because you're a fricking homosexual who brings them up.
And then you get sat the frick down from someone who's had this conversation many many times.
homosexual
>The book was better
Me
>Why?
homosexual
>Because it was different
Me
>So what
homosexual
>[autistic screeching]
anon, any time anyone tries to explain how the book was better, you just close your eyes, cover your ears, and start screaming. see
Sorry where do I close my eyes?
Everytime someone brings up the books I call them a homosexual because discussion of books belongs on
Now go to
homosexual.
sorry bruh, but the book was better. the changes were nonsense and resulted in forced inanity.
>sorry bruh, but the book
Apology accepting and it's about time.
Now frick off to
The books was better is not a valid criticism of film.
i'll stay here, thanks. it really seems to upset you that a coherent version of altered carbon exists, so i'll keep reminding you of that as well.
>it really seems to upset you that a coherent version of altered carbon exists
No it doesn't
Season 1 of altered carbon was awesome.
The only reason you don't like it is because you read the book. Well that's on you. It's got nothing
AT ALL
EVEN A LITTLE BIT
to do with the show
Which is what is discussed here.
Can you understand that, or do I need to write it as the theme of a novel, get it adaptated, so you can come here and explain to me how the point to the book is that you should frick off to
if you want to discuss books.
you're correct on one aspect, the show has barely anything to do with the book, with how it squanders every idea/character presented in the book.
>you're correct on one aspect, the show has barely anything to do with the book
Black person that's been my fricking point from the fricking.
Finally fricking catching up.
Now for the last fricking step on your journey to fricking enlightenment, is this board for discussing television shows or books that have barely anything to do with television shows?
>i'm smart because i just consume product without thinking
without spazzing out and vomiting autism
you're clearly the one spazzing out though
If you lack the cognitive faculties to understand that the story it told and its themes are a direct inversion of the books not ignored and told the different story a direct inversion then you are beyond help.
Rewatch the show dude
No, it wasn't.
In the books immortality was seen as the great equalizer because the average person could afford to live forever and the people with a 1,000 year head start won't matter when everyone is 10k+ years old and lives on their own moon cause humanity is the dominate space faring race in the galaxy and people have literally forever to take it all for themselves. The series takes the completely opposite social justice horse shit approach saying the technology should not exist because it gives the wealthy too much of an advantage and that for life to matter it needs to be limited (joke being that by the 3rd book Takeshi is older than the Myths were at the start of the first book and all the technologies the Myths could afford were affordable to practically anyone who wanted them enough). It takes all of the implications of the scale and scope of eternity and its implications on inequity (aka Read the Felicity and Misery of Man you subhuman) and throw it out the window to be more politically convenient to the intended audience.
>In the books
Stopped reading. If the reading the book means you can't enjoy the show then either don't read the book or don't watch the show.
>The book was better
Is not a critique, it's just inane.
bruh you should probably try to read something at least once in your life.
And you should never bring up the fact you read a book once to make yourself seem smart on an imageboard that primarily discusses marvel movies.
To be clear, Altered Carbon is not classical literature. You read YA fiction designed to be sold for $10 a copy at Target. But even if it was Shakespeare saying "the play was better" is STILL not a valid critique of film or television.
>take book
>discard all interesting ideas
>replace interesting ideas with modern politics
this is the production philosophy that's going to give us amazon's lord of the rings.
Where's the modern politics? Are republicans and democrats debating subsidized immortality for Black folk are they?
ah, so you're either being dishonest or you literally can't comprehend anything beyond surface level.
>Oh I see you're argument is correct and I was mistaken
Thankyou for saying so.
You're and idiot. Stop
>i'm a moron and i'm here therefor everyone here is a moron and anyone who seems otherwise is a super moron
Richard Morgan isn't YA lit. Ringil Eskaeth the protag of his fantasy series is a homosexual pedophile, unapologetically and everyone has to put up with him because he's the only person in a position to emancipate the White slaves sold by his homeland to pay off ward debt to a foreign country so people either just choose not to believe it and the ones who know can't do anything about it. That is more Netflix speed these days I think, they should have just made A Land Fit For Heroes.
Enjoy the new Lord of the Rings show. You are also not allowed to complain about it.
Why would I do that? It's got diversity casting out the fricking wahzoo.
The rules for sci fi are different to the rule for fantasy.
It literally inverted the central concept the entire setting and narrative was built around in order to be woke and at this point I know you're being a bad faith actor for not seeing or caring. Good for you if you liked the show, that's like saying you like Shakespeare because you saw the Muppet Baby's version of Romeo and Juliet.
The central concept of the entire "setting" is a brother and sister's bond across centuries in a world where immortality for the rich is achieved through uploaded consciousness while the poor remain trapped in poverty. Classic dystopian fiction.
> that's like saying you like Shakespeare because you saw the Muppet Baby's version of Romeo and Juliet.
No Black person. What's happening here is you're saying you don't like Muppet Baby's version of Romeo and Juliet because you saw award winning actors do the original play at the globe theatre once. That's not a fair comparison you fricking idiot, OF COURSE they're not the same, and only a complete frickwit would judge one on the basis of the other.
you realize you just proved his point?
That isn't what it is. It's a setting where everyone is immortal and the poor still lack the ambition the elite do and squander the fact if they just spent 500 years doing something they wouldn't have anything left to b***h about but most of them are too cowardly and their psychology hasn't caught up with what the cortical stack makes possible.
>RICH GOOD POOR BAD
you're not going to be rich dude.
No dipshit. It's their psychology hasn't caught up with the fact they have immortality and the difference between the rich and the poor is that the rich and poor structure their families differently to adapt to this and the poor are observable doing it wrong but even that doesn't matter cause they have 1000000000+ years to learn. That's the point.
Projecting that hard can blow out your sphincter.
>It's a setting where blah blah blah some stuff from the books
No Black person, it isn't. That's what you're complaining about, that it isn't that. They changed and you're having a b***h remember?
Meanwhile if you look at what they changed it TOO instead of what they changed it FROM you can judge it on the basis of what it IS instead of what you think it SHOULD BE.
It is the difference between a normative argument which is just your dumb opinion, and a positive statement which examines the facts.
And the facts are thus:
1. the setting is not woke as it makes no commentary on nor bears resemblance to America in the 21st century, nor were any production decision made with American politics in the 21st century in mind. And
2. It's a really good story with a really cool twist. Finally
3. The book doesn't affect 1 or 2 either way.
>Nor were any production decision made with American politics in the 21st century in mind.
Die in a fire.
State backed terrorists have been in Canadian sci-fi with no problems since the 90s. I guess I got spoiled with shows like Continuum which stars the villain, an agent of the corporate congress who has gone back in time to do terrorism to protect the dystopian hellscape she comes from so her family won't be erased from history when the seperate terrorists go back in time (the good guys) but the story is from her perspective and she doesn't want her children to not exist while struggling with the fact the good guys are trying to help people and she has literally become a selfish monster who tries to kill the younger innocent versions of people dangerous to the regime in the future. That's Canadian science fiction for you though, we're not Americans so as long as the big bads are standings for the American government we call it like we see it.
And then you go to
to talk about them.
This board is called TV and Film. If you could actually read you'd already know that.
None of that constitutes woke.
The body was supposed to be that of a supersoldier, Joel Kinnaman looks the part and has the chops. Tick.
Waspfu played her part brilliantly and since she was already recognizable from Dollhouse the audience instantly recognized her typecast. Tick.
Rich dude played by James Purefoy. Tick.
Weird cult thing wasn't an allegory for anything.
Not even a sniff of 21st century politics trying to teach me a lesson about not saying the n-word while raping a co-worker the gender of whom I had assumed.
Verdict: Not woke.
The plot isn't woke..... besides wanting to destroy cortical stacks because it allows people to build wealth forever without even having to pass it on). The casting decisions and rewrites applied to the show were made entirely through a woke lens and having cortical stacks be a tool of oppression instead of humanity's liberation is that direct odds with the themes of the book. Go get shot.
>I don't know what woke means
It must be summer.
Go frick yourself you dumb frick.
Its always the same tourist fricks you can tell because you say shit like
>yeah it was WOKE but it was KINO!
or
>yeah it has some Black person but he was BASED!
Just dumb apolagetic shit trying too hard to fit in. Then you get called out and lash out, its like a script.
Black person I've been here for 20 fricking years. You've been here a couple of months. Leave now or regret it.
Yup, just follow the script notes. Now you will larp as le oldgay, go ahead start calling me reddit little b***h boy.
Go ahead and frick off you little fricking zoomer c**t. I'm not fricking around, get the frick out while you still can because there's a hard life of you get bullied for being a dumbfrick until one day you're actually going to be an oldgay, then and only then will you realized you should have fricked off when you were told to.
I'm afraid I can't hear you over the sound of Jamal and Tyrone raping your holes raw. I rarely see an argument as bad faith is yours presented with so few stakes.
I'm sure you've seen a lot of arguments in your 12 years of life you pretentious homosexual.
That's not saying much, I barely got through the first couple chapters it was so badly written.
why is this she wolf in everything now?
she cute
Female showrunners just can't help using popular IPs as a cover for their shitty fanfics lol
She doesn’t have a tenth of the breast the policewoman has, MC made the right choice
Flat is justice
Never understood the point of trying to claim one is better than the other when both are perfectly valid and sexy in different ways.
What’s valid about having small breasts and ass? literally means you’re less attractive to 90% of men
She's lithe and athletic unlike that Hispanic sow.
Get your eyes checked bro
Ok that's pretty tight I take it back.
Still prefers Dichens unique face though.
she looks like that fox so much
cute & sexy
she looks like a wasp
depends how big her breasts are
she really did nothing wrong
what's her race? she looks central asian with dyed hair
hapa tibetan
Russian + Japanese, at least in the show I have no idea about the irl actress.
Serbian not Russian.
What's the difference?
Tibetan, Australian/German
She makes my pp harder than any other female celeb.
>stop watching when they replace MC with a black guy even though it's the same character
>We'll just throw this black guy in here and ruin our show
Why did they ruin the show?
showrunners had to pay their bussy bill
meh there was no reason for a a season 2 anyway
I remember thinking that when S2 was announced actually.
Good story, good twist, good ending. And then the main character gets blacked (and actually genderbent aswell) before taking a back seat to the smart, strong, blah blah blah black woman.
That's the woke, not the shit these fricking bookgays are talking about.
Anyone else think this chick looks like Hwasa?
pic related
She has a lot of acne for someone that's....how old is she? 35? 40?
34-35 in that pic.
She saved billions
>mfw entirety of S2
Just... why? What was the fricking point?
it had it's moments
>filename
Real feels rn ngl.
When i was 15 and my sister was 13 we had sex on halloween, it was her idea ao im guessing she would have done a lot
Jealousy
I used to grope my elder sister when she was sleeping (beside me)
She was definitely awake
That's even better
SHE'S ALIVE
first season was OK although it shat on the source material something fierce
second season was horribly bad
Can I have a Romulan little sister instead
Too old, awful eyebrows HOWEVER the attitude and legwear make up for it.
>all these replies and no one posted here nudes from the show yet
I've seen them and honestly it's better left to the imagination
>handsome jacked white guy goes around neon city kicking people's asses while fricking big tiddy mexican and rich white MILF and edgy commie Black person b***h and his own chink sister
I will now watch your show
>scrawny gay black manlet cowers in woods getting his ass kicked while getting cucked by edgy commie Black person b***h
I will no longer watch your show
That's what happened to Altered Carbon, simple as
yep. as cool as sleeves are I wish they kept the actors from season 1.
I've also never read the books though so I don't really have any idea if that could even work
The importance of the stack premise is a fig leaf. Of course you can do whatever you want with your scifi storyline, but objectively, obviously, Kinnaman to Mackie is such a fricking downgrade that it's absolutely jarring. Practically comedic.
Shit, I noticed nobody had similar antipathy towards asiatic Kovacs, maybe they should've just made a season with him.
>I noticed nobody had similar antipathy towards asiatic Kovacs
He looks fine in this picture but I thought he looked awful in the show. And it absolutely wasn't believable that he was related to OP.
But maybe I'm in the minority. I didn't even like the first season very much. I hated most of the characters and when girl in OP died in the end I had no interest in watching it anymore.
Their ships travel slower than light, they just happen to be immortal. Only Abrahamites transport their bodies between planets instead of transmitting their minds and Takeshi hates Abrahamites because technology delivered humanity practical conditionless eternal life instead of the promise of conditional eternal life and those frickers still believe what they believe even though they could never go to hell now anyway.
i´m very into scify but the only good thing about this show is the policewoman and thats a fact.
this ugly woman gives me such a big pp bros
am I moronic
this show completely fell apart once she was introduced
Guy from the first season was wise to tip on out and go do For All Mankind instead
you mean the woman/gender/ethnic studies show that occasionally has a few minutes of space stuff?
Sexsexsex
was season 2 the biggest fall off in the history in tv shows?
the first season was straight up 9/10 kino, the 2nd was barely watchable
Terror season 2? I don't know but it's up there with catastrophic second seasons.
Nah. It was bad. But the worst is Ted Lasso and it's not even a contest.
Season 1 was the comfiest shit of the decade.
Season 2 is pure poison for the soul.
For All (Wo)Mankind is a big contender.
AI hotels.
Book:
>no one stays in AI hotels because they'll datamine everything about you and then hound you like a creepy stalker for the rest of time. this is useful to the main character's purposes though
Show:
>AI hotels are completely awesome and will do literally anything in their power to help you, and their powers are absurdly massive. uh... shit why don't more people stay in them... uh... its because they're also evil usually yea.
She was born to play Mirage
Also Roni Fugate from 3 stigmate of palmer eldritch in the movie version I am planning in my head.
They can't even do a proper sequel at this point. An Adaptation would be an abomination.
So you get Waspfu to play mirage, and then who's playing Syndrome? If you're lucky it will Josh Gad, though it will probably be a black woman who's actually the victim not the villain and the real villain is racism.
Here’s your Syndrome
he looks worse than his dad these days
>25 year old photo
I could have sworn she actually cosplayed Faith from Mirror's Edge once but it might have been a shoop
It got us more Marc Antony so I don't care