How fricking stupid do you have to be to think that Buenos Aires was a false flag? At no point in the entire movie was this ever suggested as a remote possibility. There isn't so much as a single throwaway line or visual clue shown.
You know what is shown?
-the bugs are capable of interstellar travel
-the bugs are capable of recognizing a planetary invasion in progress and organizing sustained anti-aircraft fire for spaceships in low orbit
-the bugs can capture human officers, learn everything they know, and even puppet their bodies to dial in communications to the Federation fleet
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but how did a meteorite get past the defense platforms?
You fricking moron. You clown. The anti-meteorite defense network only appears in the opening scene of the movie, which is a newscast that is taking place as Rico is already landing on Klendathu. Buenos Aires was WHY the fricking platforms were built.
Even if it were a false flag, it's perfectly OK to exterminate bugs for no reason
this
the bug's living is causi bellum
This
The bugs are a foul disgusting race that should not exist
>The bugs are a foul disgusting race that should not exist
You are fined two credits for violation of the verbal morality statute.
We have our own bugs to deal with in china you little shit.
He's a redditor who gets is slammed everyday. He thinks so the bugs actually did it.
There is no reason to think the bugs didn’t do it
Wtf was wrong with the camera guy?
he was on an ugly planet, a bug planet
this was the first movie i ever torrented back in 2004. i think i chose wisely.
Would be denied citizenship if he didnt get those shots.
Kill bugs. Behead bugs. Roundhouse kick a bug into the concrete. Slam dunk a bug larva into the trashcan. Crucify filthy bugs. Defecate in a bug's food. Launch bugs into the sun. Stir fry bugs in a wok. Toss bugs into active volcanoes. Urinate beneath a bug's exoskeleton. Judo throw bugs into a wood chipper. Twist bug's heads off. Report bug sightings to the TFA. Karate chop bugs in half. Curb stomp pregnant filthy bugs. Trap bugs in quicksand. Crush bugs in the trash compactor. Liquefy bugs in a vat of acid. Eat bugs. Dissect bugs. Exterminate bugs in the gas chamber. Stomp bugs with steel toed boots. Cremate bugs in the oven. Lobotomize bugs. Mandatory abortions for bugs. Grind bug eggs in the garbage disposal. Drown bugs in fried chicken grease. Vaporize bugs with a ray gun. Kick old bugs down the stairs. Feed bugs to alligators. Slice bugs with a katana.
BTW the director confirmed in the commentary that the asteroid was a bug action. The fact that they didn't think the logic through of getting the asteroid to earth makes it a plot hole, not proof of a false flag. Rationalization of plot roles can be used to justify any perspective therefore it is not valid.
I couldn’t even necessarily call it a plot hole. If we are to presume the bugs are capable of FTL I see no reason why they couldn’t take an asteroid as a weapon through “hyperspace.”
>the director confirmed in the commentary that the asteroid was a bug action
Do you have a timestamp or link so people can check it out?
No
What's more hilarious is we would go to war over losing Buenos Aires
The bugs had no reason to attack Earth and if they wanted to they would have used something other than one big rock.
Colonists were expanding into their territory.
>some independent colonists against the wishes of the Terran federation started a homestead in bug territory
>therefore the bugs are justified in killing millions of people in a surprise attack
In the movie it says 8+ million men women and children killed in the bug attack AFTER THEY ALREADY SLAUGHTERED THE MORMON MISSIONARIES.
The humans did nothing wrong frick the bugs
control your mormons or suffer the consequences
and therefore they shot a single rock at Earth, at sublight speed...? guess they predicted it all ages in advance
>le bugs are... le icky
>308 563 must die
>the modern liberal is so atomized from a functional civilization that he defends a hive race of monstrous arachnids
… I can’t even
we are making shit up about people now? ok my turn:
i know it's hard being a 16yo fat american kid from the suburbs, but you might want to look up "war on terror"
The entire point of these recent threads is that people are on social media right now arguing that humanity was wrong in that movie to go after the bugs. They're literally saying the bugs were innocent. This is where we are right now
hardly a new piece of contrarianism, zoomer
the bugs did nothing wrong.
>killing millions
>nothing wrong
>no good reason
They killed 8 million + humans
you know how many earth bugs they killed you frick!
Yes. That's the point, that morons will support a war for no good reason just because the enemy is seen as weird and alien (as symbolized by the bugs). The bugs are a stand-in for whoever USA is bombing this week.
Ender's Game explored this whole concept.
I heard good things about it, need to check it out at some point.
It's a bit interesting, but sometimes the plot is kind of stupid.
Enders Game sucks.
It's OK, I wouldn't say it totally sucks.
The writer is really wholesome and noble
>This is where we are right now
People here have been making that point forever. The false flag debate is part of board culture at this point. Twattoids eat our leftovers so now they're spewing the same talking points that have been made here forever in order to feel smart.
It's like protracted veganism. You can't even eat the bugs anymore you have to just starve.
Another one on the chud mental illness bingo
Cool. Do you have a nice day at the end?
>They're literally saying the bugs were innocent.
They were.
What the frick does that have to do with what I said you Black personbrain?
I was against the Iraq war and I’m almost 40 so why don’t you kys immediately
>and therefore they shot a single rock at Earth, at sublight speed...?
Yes? What's your problem, moron? It wasn't a "rock" it was a fricking meteorite that wiped out an entire city of millions of people. The movie presents this to you as surely as it presents any other scene. The meteorite was launched by the bugs as an attack on Earth. The only thing that is really in question is who started the war, presented by other characters pointing out that humans were expanding into bug territory and provoking them.
The "le false flag" meme is just that, a meme made up by pseuds who butt in to every single conversation about ST to say "ACKSHULLY DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A SATIRE..."
It literally has no backing.
How does the rock cross the entire galaxy (as the movie stresses out to show us the distance from the bugs to Earth)? Does the rock have an FTL drive? Unless it does, then the bugs would have shot it over 50000 years ago.
you don't ask questions like that while living under a fascist government. To me this just proves that it was all a fake nazi psyop.
Well, no one asks these questions in the movie
They just scream "kill all the bugs" after the TV tells them to blame the bugs, and rush to enlist in the meatgrinder infantry
Because they live in a fascist society
No, i just wait for the news of another mass shooting in a supernarket/elementary school
The bugs killed 8 million people
You are a stupid gay
oy vey, remember the 8 gorillion!
Not a valid response when it referring to something that actually happened.
yeah, only in a movie like this could someone in a position of power be threatened with a bioweapon for refusing to sign on to an "opportunistic" war immediately
The federation isn’t fascist it’s a liberal democracy that has a requirement for sufferage and holding political office
>it’s a liberal democracy
Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
I wish that was true
That capability was in the books that was left out of the movie. you will never get the answers you want.
The book is a completely different thing from the movie. You might as well ask why the mobile infantry doesn't have mech suits or why are they dumb losers instead of winners. They aren't canonically connected anymore than star wars and spaceballs.
explain how the federation did it.
have you heard about the reichstag fire
Basically a myth. The Nazis would have won without the fire
It’s also not confirmed if the fire was a hoax it’s practically an urban myth
>The Nazis would have won without the fire
Won what? Hitler was already using emergencies powers as Chancellor to arrest various communist leaders well before the Reichstag fire. He called up a election in March and had used his power, along with controlling the Governorship of Prussia to control all the police and polling satiations to rigg it enough for the Nazis to get ta majority in the government to pass the Enabling acting. He later invalidated the Communist vote and arrested all communist me members of parliament, which was illegal, but by that point Hitler had total control.
Communists deserved to be arrested they were violent radicals
The fire did nothing to convince the Germans of anything it’s a myth most of the German population 100% supported the fascists
They pushed it with a spaceship. Or yk they didn't and the rock just hit earth randomly like any other meteorite, they just said it was the bugs to convince the population why they should send an invasion into the bug quarantine zone. They at least need to get the veterans on board with it.
It impacts the Rodger young while they are at light speed so the bugs launched it faster than sublight
thats not right they were training so they were out of FTL
They weren’t training she was keeping watch
You’d didn’t watch the movie lmao
i watch it every month and have 4 steel books saw it when it came out as a teen. you can frick off
How do the human starships cross all that distance? How do the bugs actually "have" a brain bug that sophisticated to begin with? How do they breed bugs that can do atmospheric anti-air defense? The answer is: it's a fricking movie you moron
>shlocky sci-fi movie gets "THE SCIENCE" wrong
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In the CG animated cartoon, the Bugs were on Pluto which is in the Solar System, so they were the invading force.
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Here is the Bug spaceship.
Shitposts aside, this is my main issue with the movie and why I think it fails as a satire. Without Buenos Aires being a false-flag, the audience only knows that
>this is a military sci-fi
>it's on the cheaper side
>the dialogue's cheesy, like you'd expect from a cheap military sci-fi
>oh, and some horrific-looking aliens just nuked a city. Looks like we have our casus belli
>yup, we're in for some B-movie bug hunting kino
Yes, if you know the director's prior movies, then you know that he's not the type to make a straightforward B-movie sci-fi. And if you know his politics, then you'd definitely know that there's no way in hell he's playing any of these elements straight. However, you shouldn't need to know a director's history or political views to understand a movie on its own. The film even inexplicably gives a good reason for the attack as points out.
If someone watched the movie blind, they'd probably think Buenos Aires was legit. And if they thought the Buenos Aires attack was legit and yet still rooted for the mass-murdering insectoids over the humans, then I'm glad they're not in a position to sell us out to ET right now.
that's why the movie is so kino, it works on both levels. That's why most audiences thought it was shit and pro nazi kek when it was released. But now everyone knows what its really about. It's one of the most kino films ever made.
AI thread
dissent of the narrative would not be allowed for public consumption
in regards to a fictional movie, this of course would not happen in real life
Because they are dressed like Nazis
>would you like to know more?
NO!
>At no point in the entire movie was this ever suggested as a remote possibility
That doesn't matter. All you have to do is suggest something ridiculous and tell them the other side is stupid for not getting it and they will eat it up while smugly shoveling shit down their pie hole. You can do this to them while telling them that it's actually happening to you and they will laugh at your supposed demise. They will get stabbed 37 times in a row while they condescend you on how great things are.
>the imaginary bugs from a movie are coming to get you for disagreeing with me online
is this the peak right-wing argument
Yeah ma'am, it's stupid right wingers again. Definitely don't pay attention to things happening to you, that's for science deniers and you don't want to be one of them.
Yeah there's giant bugs coming to get me. It's so over... If only i was racist online, i could have avoided that...
Yeah keep looking out for the bugs.
it's pretty effective so I don't understand the snark. Are you stupid? They're gonna fricking decapitate all the immigrants at "our border" this November and you're just glibly talking about some movie?
>At no point in the entire movie was this ever suggested as a remote possibility
Because the movie is a propaganda film from the universe where the Federation exists, of course they wouldn't say it might've been a false flag.
>Because the movie is a propaganda film from the universe where the Federation exists
We are shown in-universe propaganda in the film, so the film can't itself also be an in-universe propaganda film.
Ever heard of commercial breaks?
>Robocop is an in-universe propaganda film
>Total Recall is an in-universe propaganda film
isn't this just "it's just a dream" with extra steps?
It’s never even implied. The idea that the bug attack is faked is totally made up by the audience
As is the bugs having ftl capability
The asteroid hits the Rodger young while they are in hyperspace
And if the bugs don't have ftl capabilities than it must mean...
They do
Everyone assumes they don’t based on nothing especially when it’s explained that they have the ability to travel through space and launch massive energy projectiles into space
And when was them being shown having ftl capabilities? Not you being told, but it actually being shown? It is shown that they do not have the ability based on the second part of your post, but nowhere is it shown that they do have ftl travel. You are only told that. By the federation. The same one that said the orbital defense was random lights.
>maintaining some sort of unified civilization across multiple solar systems
This requires ftl
>unified civilization
nope
>This requires ftl
Nope
Do an archive search he gets blown out every day for at least 2 weeks. He's from Reddit.
>And when was them being shown having ftl capabilities?
The rock being shot from bug space at Earth
>The rock being shot
Was neither ftl nor shown to be from the bugs
It was ftl
If it was, earth would have been vaporized
The movie says it’s from the bugs and it travels from an area of space that requires FTL travel in order to be able to make the distance
The movie also says the butt blasts are random lights. It shows differently, but hey, it says it
The movie makes a point to show people underestimating the Bugs capabilities. Them assuming the butt blasts are just light only for it to actually be something more dangerous thematically is the same as the Federation brushing off the bugs in the beginning of the movie only to be surprised by them sending a meteor to earth. The movie also makes a point of correcting the misinformation of the butt blasts being just light. Because it doesn’t make any correction about the meteor it’s safe to assume they were correct in it coming from the bugs
The federation never corrected the random lights. Just like the federation never "corrected" the asteroid attack. The movie shows that the federation lies, and yet you are still adamant that they don't. Odd.
What she says is “it’s big plasma it should be random and light”. But it becomes clear it’s targeted and destructive and she says “this isn’t random or light, somebody made a mistake, somebody made a big good damn mistake”
Additionally they mention dozens of times that the bugs “knew we were coming”. “Knew how to hit us” “drew us into a trap” etc etc
at no point in the movie is deception portrayed as anything but evil by the federation. they don't get their invasion repelled and go "everything's going great!", they go "we catastrophically fricked up". showing kids stomping wienerroaches as if that's "helping" isn't the federation lying, that's just morale-building propaganda. if you really think the audience is expected to believe that stomping wienerroaches helps then you're unironically too moronic for this movie for children.
light as in light fire power noting to worry about until ships started getting hit
And how would they see something going faster than light?
No it didn't. Watch the movie before posting.
Yes it does they drop out of hyperspace due to a magnetic anomoly
No. Theyre just flying around normally when it happens. The FTL part is a different scene.
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>traveling through the void of space at sublight speed
>why arent the engines being pushed to max at all times?
Is this the gotcha you intended it to be?
>the minimum speed to travel these distances is maxing engines
Bro
>Because the movie is a propaganda film from the universe where the Federation exists
This is fanfiction. Robocop and Total Recall are not propaganda films from the universes where OCP and Mars colonies exist, but both still have the Verhoeven trademark of in-universe advertisements and cutaways. He does that because it's fun.
you cant do that, all you can do is use the movie on its own, and it absolutely is an in universe propaganda film when you do that
there is zero reason to think this
>there is zero reason to think this
when the film originally came out people saw it as a shit movie that was pro fascist. Thats because it is an in universe propaganda film.
no
the director hired shit actors from 90210... dude just admit it.
Nice revisionary history chud. The entire controversy surrounding this movie is Verhoeven was assblasted that the general audience took the movie's message straight and didn't even realize it was satirical in nature. Nobody was talking about this movie as pro fascist until millenial tankie dipshits rewatched the movie for the first time since they were 12 after going to college.
PV is an idiot. He didn't understand the appeal of fascism because he's a midwit. You can't mock something you don't understand. It's trying to tell a joke in a different language when you don't speak it. That he didn't understand why creating an intelligent, clean, healthy, orderly, fraternal, mostly White, organized, meritocracy wouldn't be seen as a joke to anyone with an above-room-temperature IQ is proof that he's an absolute dunce.
>originally came out people saw it as a shit movie that was pro fascist.
People were moronic back then and they are moronic today. They see the uniforms and ape out
>absolutely is an in universe propaganda film
if it was an in universe propaganda film it wouldn't have propaganda commercials embedded in it.
The "Would you like to know more?" segments are the in universe propaganda. The movie is the movie.
its still got to be a movie for us, it's a hybrid.
>it's a hybrid
>you cant do that
in all my time on this shithole I have never actually had someone tell I can't do something
You can't alright? It's strictly forbidden to infer things about the plot or setting that aren't explicitly shown or told to you. Unless you're straining credulity to infer that a false flag occurred to justify a forever war against innocent bugarinos of course.
Stop trying to make me rewatch Starship Troopers for the 20th time.
I'm doing my part
The false flag thing is dumb. We see the asteroid en route to Buenos Aires when Carmen re-plots the Roger Young’s navigation - it’s the asteroid that takes out their comms tower, so they couldn’t warn anyone. The real hidden message of Starship Troopers is never let women drive.
the point isn't that the bugs did nothing wrong, it was that the human society presented in the movie functioned essentially the same as a colony of bugs.
Watch the 3rd movie. Humans outright state that they wish they were as efficient as the bugs and are jealous of the super brain bugs ability to bend the sky marshal to its will
if it wasn't the bugs it would just be some other made up enemy.
fascists societies cannot operate any other way
What made up enemy did the Falange go after in Spain again?
SIR, PERMISSION TO ENJOY STARSHIP TROOPERS AS A RIGHT WINGER, SIR
>Here's your drill to lobotomize yourself, soldier.
Or just stick to the book i guess?
it is pretty funny that Nazis cant even get along with a lifeform thats on the other side of the galaxy kek
You see murderous bugs I see a doctor, a engineer, a teacher.
The bugs are capable of interstellar travel
This is explained by the biology teacher you low iq idiot. They are capable of launching asteroids across the galaxy.
You only think it’s unlikely because “it’s far” but it’s clear the humans and bugs have had interaction on multiple planets for many years
>This is explained by the biology teacher you low iq idiot.
the nazi teacher teaching nazi approved books said so? OH WOW OK
is the inside of your head just mannequins shouting NAZI constantly?
>this galaxy must be for the white race only!!!! We must stop the genocide!
>TL
>DR
>KILL BUGS
>You fricking moron. You clown. The anti-meteorite defense network only appears in the opening scene of the movie, which is a newscast that is taking place as Rico is already landing on Klendathu. Buenos Aires was WHY the fricking platforms were built.
It’s pretty wild the amount of people who don’t get this
you trust the nazi media HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
you probably say YES when they ask if you want to know more
The federation has a free press
What does this have to do with anything though? It's still dumb and implausible even without it having to get past a defence gun:
It makes way more sense for the meteorite to be just random.
The movie also doesn’t explain how humans can travel across the galaxy in such short periods of time. Just accept that it’s part of the universe and move on
We are explicitly told humans have ftl and shown them using it. Does the rock have an ftl drive? Bug plasma just blows stuff up after they shoot it out of their asses. We don't see any proof that the bugs destroyed BA.
The newscast said they did. What more proof do you need you bug loving chud homosexual?
Saar yes saar im sorry i will take my 10 lashes and go enlist. After all tv told me we are winning. Just need a few hundred thousand more soldiers. Im doing my part n shit, kill all ze bugz.
But they didn't unless they planned it a 100000 years in advance, at which point it's just as likely it was random. Unless you have proof of the meteor going ftl? It wasn't when it grazed the spaceship.
They are going FTL and survive the impact... No, in fact they see the rock and partially dodge it...
That makes 0 sense, Anon. Are you sure they are going ftl?
Maybe they did
The bugs are a hivemind
We are explicitly told that the bugs can travel through space
At faster than light speed? Anything less would have the rock go on for tens of thousands of years
the ship detects a huge gravity field, so strong that it pulls the water in the cup. Asteroids don't have enough mass to do that. So something else is going on, perhaps some kind of wormhole?
They probably didnt even notice that its the same news segment from the beginning. I think thats why all nu media is so shit, it has to explain everything to the viewer multiple times just incase they forgot what happened 20mins ago.
No, people get this. It's literally in the film. Also in the film? Clear evidence that it was impossible for a bug to send a rock to our solar system from where they were. In the same literal segment. If the bugs were capable of sending this rock as a weapon, why would they have just sent a rock? Why not an invasion force? Clearly they are as technologically adept as we are if they can accomplish this impossible thing.
You're right though, thinking about it. A governing system that clearly lies directly to the populace to stoke them into a fury to go to war to die over bugs would definitely not go far enough as to fake an attack. Out of question. Completely out of leftfield. While it seems to be something completely possible and within one species' capability to do while the other, uh, sits on its thumbs underground on a planet across the other end of the Milkway. Logically speaking it has to be the bugs living underground.
Where is it ever suggested it’s impossible?
What are you saying about the federation? What do you mean they are trying to kill their population? Everything we see of the federation is that everyone is rich, clean, safe, beautiful
Rico’s parents get pissed that he’d risk his life to join the infantry
>Everything we see of the federation is that everyone is rich, clean, safe, beautiful
No? Rico is rich because his parents are loaded. There is nothing to suggest other people have his standard of living. In fact other characters complain about not having money and opportunities. We don't see much of the life in the federation other than Rico's trust-fund baby lifestyle and state propaganda.
When does anyone complain about money at all?
It was caught as a gravitational anomoly
There are soldiers saying that they are stuck on a farm if they don't join the military, and complaining about not being able to go to Harvard without it. While Rico can do whatever. So no, not everyone is rich. At best it's a stratified society similar to what's going on rn.
That’s not what’s happening in the shower scene they are laying out the various privileges you get by joining the mobile infantry.
The one guy who wants to go to Harvard says “my old man doesn’t want to pay for it” not that he can’t go or that it’s impossible. His parents are rich despite being overtly anti-service
The farmer guy is just said to be from a “farm planet” that it you are projecting your own assumptions and head cannon into the film
>If the bugs were capable of sending this rock as a weapon, why would they have just sent a rock? Why not an invasion force?
They didn't just send a rock. They've sent at least two. Also Zegema beach was hit.
Based on what we learned in the class room scene, it just seems they send out rocks constantly and hope for the occasional hit on a habitable world. Then eventually whatever spores survive can develop into another colony.
Then it's literally just a random rock and not an attack against Earth at all, and the federation is to blame for not setting up a defense against that kind of shit until after Buenos Aires, despite all the military spending. There's a shitload of asteroids zipping around space all the time.
>federation is to blame for not setting up a defense against that kind of shit
They had planetary defensives, they were shut down during it.
Then it's their fault.
Are there random artillery shells naturally flying around? Do they hit your country regularly? An asteroid literally killed the dinosaurs.
You said they randomly shoot out rocks to try to colonize planets. How can it be an attack on Earth then? Either it's random or deliberate.
Pretty much
>How can it be an attack on Earth then?
Doesn't matter if it's intentionally aimed or not. The bug asteroid was there because the bugs sent it. How do you stop the bug asteroids? Eliminate the bugs.
Remember it's not just Earth that's at stake, but all habitable worlds.
>Breaking news an asteroid hit our planet, unfortunately our chud leaders didn't want to fund the program to look for them
>Breaking news, Orange man said in his press conference that it was a BUG ASTEROID, and that the filthy bugs were responsible.
>would you like to know more.
Your post is full of wild assumptions
Why do you assume the information about the big asteroid is false? It’s never implied or suggested that it’s false or that the federation is dishonest
>Why do you assume the information about the big asteroid is false?
because it's a nazi state and I know the nazi mind works.
>unfortunately our chud leaders didn't want to fund the program to look for them
But they did. They built the defenses that could destroy the asteroids.
You have to actually watch the movie and form your points from stuff in the movie. You can't just make shit up.
>But they did.
they built them after the first one hit
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>they built them after the first one hit
Yes, I know. It's the plot of the movie.
yeah...... but your point was that it couldn't have been a false flag... and I just showed you that it could.
It’s never implied that it’s a false flag
People make that assumption because the federation has a “fascist” aesthetic and people assume that means the federation is bad
The worst thing it shows the federation doing is trying and executing a criminal
I think you are just coping because you like fascism.
Pleas demonstrate where it’s ever implied that the federation is some evil regime that lied its way into war?
>Please demonstrate where it’s ever implied that the federation is some evil regime
lol seriously bro?
>seriously
Absolutely 100% serious. Try to set aside that a nice Hugo boss leather overcoat makes your monkey brain think “bad guy” and take a look at the facts of the plot as presented by the film
>trying?
>why would people think the organisation that was designed to get an audience to think of Nazi Germany might have started a war in the same way Germany did
Truly a mystery
That’s never stated or implied in the plot though
Furthermore how did Germany “lie” to start a war Kek?
Is this the part where you just start sucking Austrian wiener and say that the Gleiwitz attack was actually Poland's doing?
Are you going to claim that the polish weren’t displacing and attacking German ethnics in Danzig?
So yes to the wienersucking question
>Federation defender also thinks Germany dindu nothin
How unsurprising
I didn’t say that I said Germany didn’t lie its way into a war. It did exactly what they said they were going to do
So did Poland attack the radio station, which Germany used as a pretext to invade, or was it a lie?
>I get my history from my high school history class
1. Yes
2. They had way more reason than that
So its Germany dindu nothin then. I could bring up the Nuremberg testomonial of Abwher staff (Erwin von Lahousen) who helped supply the op, but we both know you won't count that as valid (same as Alfred Naujocks).
is there any evidence of this? besides hitler whining and inventing reasons to expand his territory?
>whining to expand his territory
Territory split from Germany in 1918. Their desire to reunify is totally understandable.
>german dindu nuffin
I didn’t say that you fricking dipshit.
>Territory split from Germany in 1918. Their desire to reunify is totally understandable.
Not an argument, I don't care about what's understandable in a minority population especially from a time period as propagandized as the 1930s. I also don't care about what you say Danziggers wanted, when the question is "did Poles brutalize ethnic Germans?"
That doesn't make him the bad guy, it makes him pragmatic. I would do the same thing, and I would also stage false flag attacks if I figured I could get away with them.
>I don’t care about why the war started
Okay then there is nothing to talk about.
Needless to say it wasn’t because of a radio station and it wasn’t a secret
>Okay then there is nothing to talk about.
No there's just one thing: "did Poles brutalize ethnic Germans?" which is what I first asked and still haven't gotten a response on.
I never will get this response, because it didn't happen.
>I didn’t say that you fricking dipshit.
>polish weren’t displacing and attacking German ethnics in Danzig?
>They had way more reason than that
>Territory split from Germany in 1918. >Their desire to reunify is totally understandable
Sounds like Germany did the reasonable thing by rolling tanks over the Polish border and splitting the country with Russia
You are talking in terms of what’s “right” or “just”. All I said is that Germany didn’t lie its way into war Kek
>if you don’t agree with me on the plot of starship troopers you are a Russian
KEK. Paranoia and delusion
>>if you don’t agree with me on the plot of starship troopers you are a Russian
>KEK. Paranoia and delusion
Pls Ivan, you're in every thread, it's very obvious
>I said is that Germany didn’t lie its way into war Kek
I see now, its instead the allies lying about poor Germany by saying they made a false flag attack to invade Poland. Why would they do such thing?
if you're gonna make hitler look like the bad guy in that situation, you're better off focusing on how he didn't let them migrate to germany to get away from the persecution, since he wanted them there for the claim they provided
>and I just showed you that it could
yeah it could have. but it wasn't.
not true, they created the meteor defense system after the attack. The whole film is the Federation reacting to the bugs and learning more about them.
and the secret twist is they slowly become more like the bugs, with a psychic leadership caste in the works and an incredibly differentiated caste system of civilians and citizens, and then further specializations within different citizen groups like the Mobile Infantry, Fleet, Military Intelligence, etc).
Verhoeven is just saying that military people are like insects and if we're not careful, we'll be just like the disgusting bugs we want to kill. It's a very dated '90s liberal attitude with no real position today.
So if a group of people just shot artillery shells in random directions and one happens to hit your country is that not an act of war?
But even so it’s never implied it’s random it’s implied the bugs specifically attacked the humans
>Then it's literally just a random rock
that doesn't follow from what I said. Care to elaborate?
seriously, it was a random asteroid that the chud government failed to see, so they blamed it on the bugs, and went to war for the economic benefit and for pushing their society more fascist.
CASE CLOSED
>There isn't so much as a single throwaway line or visual clue shown.
Excellent post. It sums up all the points I routinely make very succinctly. I will copy it and save it for the future.
however, it doesn't cover the galaxy map that is shown at the beginning and gays absolutely love to use that as evidence.
Why would the movie have o suggest that more than it already did with the literally impossible distance and trouble an asteroid would have being sent to Earth? You're supposed to have figured this out for yourself. The movie doesn't need to stop and explain this to you. This is what makes you shameful movie watchers. You refuse to admit you're wrong all for the purpose of, what, wanting to justify enjoying the movie already? People who understand the movie LOVE THE MOVIE. All this Starship Troopers shit extends from embarrassed people who can't admit to themselves they were hoodwinked by a film that was meant to fool them. You bought it. The intent of the movie is to be made like a propaganda piece to fool stupid people. Even the idea of 100,000 soldiers dying in a single night trying to land on this deserted planet to exterminated fricking bugs is laughable. It's insanity. They're BUGS. They're worthless. They have no practical value beyond scientific curiosity. And Earth is losing to them. Earth is throwing thousands upon thousands of people into a nothing conflict. Even if you accept everything the movie throws at you at face value, the war is still an absolute waste of man power and soldiers. Heroes are being branded fighting a literal nothing enemy.
Just admit you're wrong. We all know you are. Why is it so hard?
>Why would the movie have o suggest that more than it already did with the literally impossible distance and trouble an asteroid would have being sent to Earth?
Because the movie also gives us warp travel and artificial gravity and all this other sci fi shit. So we just assume that bugs obey the normal laws of physics for this one purpose? why?
Really Verhoeven just fricked up. He should've included a propaganda segment where a dissenting scientist is being talked down to and insulted. But he didn't, so here we are.
The bugs can interstellar travel and it hits the Rodger young at relativist speeds
You are stupid
How do they see and dodge the rock if it's moving at them at light speed or above?
Nope
>the bugs are capable of interstellar travel
nope
>the bugs are capable of recognizing a planetary invasion in progress and organizing sustained anti-aircraft fire for spaceships in low orbit
nope
>the bugs can capture human officers, learn everything they know, and even puppet their bodies to dial in communications to the Federation fleet
nope
half truths at best best
>the bugs are capable of recognizing a planetary invasion in progress and organizing sustained anti-aircraft fire for spaceships in low orbit
kek did you watch the movie?
>Ever heard of commercial breaks?
Anon, the propaganda commercials wouldn't also be about the fictional movie characters...
Did you? Obviously nit if you thought it was organized or sustained. Even the characters mention that it's just random lightsif you don't understand the irony of what I'm saying you think BA wasn't an inside job
>Even the characters mention that it's just random lights
they said the exact opposite.
>Captain Deladier : This isn't random or light. Someone made a mistake
Watch it again and this time out down your phone and pay attention.
I guess the bigger bugs just happen to rocket their shit up into space since it is so explosive?
That's what the federation says
All of those are explicit in the movie Kek
Get gud
Nope
You haven't watched the movie
God damn it, now I have to go watch Starship Troopers.
Fed net is CNN
Starship Troopers being the most debated film of 2024 was not on my bingo card.
The Terran Federation should have sent emissaries to the Arachnids to discuss peace terms with them and should have better controlled the Arachnid Quarantine Zone and not Mormon fundamentalists come in to try to covert them to the religion of peace. The Arachnids have only been shown to defending their home planets in their empire, there is no evidence they have any designs on attacking Earth.
But le bugs are le icky and different
We must send hundreds of thousands to get mauled while trying to exterminate them
If you don't you are like... racist against cracker people or something
how are they supposed to communicate with a bug swarm with completely different concepts of communication that's actively stabbing them
If liberals were in charge the war wouldn't have happened because they would solve the problems with diplomacy
Picard would have brought peace between species in 45 minutes with a heroic speech and cup of Earl Gray.
Picard's gay attitude could have let the Borg destroy all life in the galaxy, thankfully chad Janeway just killed them all.
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say KILL'EM ALL!
Even if the bugs have interstellar travel, I have still yet to see any evidence that they are a threat to humanity.
OK and?
>being able to shoot asteroids at planets isn’t a threat
K
There's asteroids everywhere hitting shit randomly. How are the bugs more of a threat than that.
>being stuck without opportunities is fine because uhhhh you are on a farm planet, it's in the name chud
He never says he’s stuck on the farm planet without opportunity
He says hes from a farm planet and that he hates farming. Put those two statements together and you should be able to figure it out.
>joining the millitary to get out of your small town
This doesn’t make him poor and it doesn’t make the federation fascist Kek
>puppet their bodies to dial in communications to the Federation fleet
when did they do this? its been awhile
>the bugs are capable of interstellar travel
This is never shown. Seeding planets randomly is not interstellar travel.
Who said it’s random? Who said it’s seeding?
Yes it does. It would take centuries to travel between any two solar systems without ftl
>It would take centuries to travel between any two solar systems without ftl
And? Why would bugs give a shit? They're setting up new hives and colonies. They don't care about communicating. They just want to breed and spread. They're bugs.
>they don’t care about communicating
Yes they do, the bugs are organized across multiple planets and fronts of the war
You are dumb
>the bugs are organized
nope
?????
Yes they are
The federation isn’t Nazi it’s a militaristic society with limited democracy
No, they aren't, and there is literally zero evidence that they are. I'm legitimately wondering why you think that.
They have anti ship defenses, were able to ambush the attacking forces on Klendathu and were able to set up an ambush on Planet P
>small scale tactics are the same as an interplanetary organized military and "civilization"
Brain bugs would be pointless if the point you're trying to make was true
The fact that there have Brian bugs reinforces that they are organized
Dude just stop
Stop what? Proving that you didn't watch the movie? The brain bugs are the only form of organization they have and only exist because they lack ftl capabilities.
If there wasn’t some kind of connection between bug planets why would the federation decide start clearing out planets from the edges of the bug empire before moving onto Klendathu?
To learn about how the bug fights on the ground before they stick their dicks in big K again. This is explicity said in the movie. Do you somehow think this means the bugs on Klendathu are telling the bugs how to fight on other planets? It's like a bee hive splitting off to make a new nest.
It shows them being organized kys
I can’t tell if you are genuinely dumb or a troll
No, it doesn't. You didn't watch the movie. Pleas wat h the movie before entering a thread about the movie.
>The federation isn’t Nazi it’s a militaristic society with limited democracy
Director just copied the Triumph of Will for the opening scene and dressed NPH in an SS uniform for giggles then
Yeah more or less
It shows the bugs setting traps, ambushes, using tactics, countering federation plans, organizing the brain bug, protecting it and getting it to critical locations
It’s literally shown that the bugs are an organized hivemind
Didn't realize real life termites were an organized interplanetary force. After all they do the exact same thing you said
>organized hivemind
Only on the same planets. Like I said before. Thank you for agreeing with me.
Because humans have the ability to form strategies. Unlike the bugs.
It's almost as if the federation lies to its troops and citizens. Hmmm....
>Because humans have the ability to form strategies. Unlike the bugs.
t.
>termites are comparable to the bugs in this story
Dude seriously fricking stfu
>the federation lies
This is never ever implied
You're right. It is explicitly shown
I'm sure it doesn't to (You)
It does though, but if (You) don't understand that, that's not really my problem. You're basically asking D-Day happend instead of the Allies just parachuting straight into Berlin.
It shows the bugs strategizing though. Literally luring the humans into ambushes and traps
The bugs literally do a full blown intelligence op and force a guy to send out a fake distress call
Don't bother. These morons are like creationists. Any showing of complex intelligence, teamwork or advanced tactics will be handwaved as "instinct" which is totally different from deliberate planning and communication much in the same way speciation and short term adaptation to rapid environmental changes are handwaved away by creationists as "micro-evolution" which is totally different from and not at all contributing to "macro-evolution."
>It shows the bugs strategizing though
No, it doesn't
>Literally luring the humans into ambushes and traps
That's not strategy
>The bugs literally do a full blown intelligence op and force a guy to send out a fake distress call
No, they don't. The mormons sent the distress call. Are you moronic?
Hey, you're learning!
>the Mormons sent the distress call
300 posts and he finally reveals he is low iq
Sorry anon, but the federation lies
See above
proof?
the officer literally tells you the bugs sent the distress signal
>Hey, you're learning!
no logistical difference between landing on one planet versus another
the allies WOULD have parachuted straight into berlin if they could logistically have accomplished that
>I'm sure it doesn't to (You)
Why can’t you just answer the question?
Because I can't dumb down the answer enough for (You) to understand its the same reason the us government let pearl harbor and 9/11 happen
To justify a war? Humanity was already on board with attacking the bugs after Buenos Aires was bombed. Why would they sacrifice all those ships and men for a war effort that already had the support of all of humanity?
>It's almost as if the federation lies to its troops and citizens. Hmmm....
The federation lost a lot of ships and millions of people because they wanted to lie to their citizens? That makes no sense
>Because humans have the ability to form strategies. Unlike the bugs.
You didn’t answer my question though
liberals are so fricking racist, they think of the bugs the same way they think of brown/black people
Just ordered a PS5 because of helldivers 2
I'm glad younggays are watching kino because of that game so I will pay them money for being based
Think of how many thousands if not millions of people would have had to be in on it. Somebody would have spilled the beans
Just like how many people spilled the beans about the fictional reasons for the Iraq war. Oh wait...
They did though ?
>we think Iraq has wmd
>it doesn’t
>people reveal this right after the invasion when no wmd are found
Shiggy diggy
And all of them were drowned out, called liars, discredited, call unpatriotic, etc. No one listened or cared.
And you are clearly to young to remember 2002 and 2003 and 2004
Because the rock had it's trajectory altered when the ship crashed into it. Even if the bugs had redirected it from across the galaxy somehow, there is no way it would have struck it's intended target.
are the bugs even sentient or just operating on pure machine instinct? they are clearly capable of doing “clever” things but seem to have created no infrastructure for things like comfort or leisure. if the bugs are basically unconscious it’s not wrong to exterminate them
Yes they are arachnids so they don’t do the same things mamals do.
As they say explicitly in the early scenes that individually the bugs are relatively stupid (compared to humans) but as a group they are an interstellar force to be feared.
wtf how did I never know there was a musical number in one of the starship troopers movies kek
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We know it wasn't a false flag. The bugs attacked the humans first at a remote Christian missionary colony. What I've never understood is why this is even a conversation. Why are people moralizing conflict with the bugs? They're completely xenophobic. As soon as the factions became aware of each other the bugs made it clear that co-existence was impossible. At that point it absolutely does not matter who fired first.
Because everyone is obsessed with seeming intelligent & over reading into media as a means to do so.
>Why are people moralizing conflict with the bugs?
Because the immoral part is the soldiers being fed a lie to be sent to the slaughter.
What lie? The Federation is already violently efficient at the institutional level. Lying about why they're fighting would be completely pointless. The bugs are a hostile, unmanageably violent threat. End of story.
Because your average western liberal moron has been so pumped full of nihilistic self hate they will defend genocidal monstrous arachnids over humans who slightly kinda look like the Nazis
What lie?
>What lie?
>What lie?
Hello Boris
Hello Jussie
None of you can say what the federation did that was a “lie”
Buenos Aires. That is a lie.
That’s not even hinted at in the film
>forever war
Who said it was a forever war? The humans and the bugs had already had implied past conflict and were not on friendly terms.
You are letting your childhood memories of Iraq color the plot as presented
>getting so hung up on one specific portion of the hypothetical that you can't even parse the plain as day implication of the post
Cmon anon.
What did I miss? You are talking about themes that you only think about due to Iraq. In 1997 when this was made this wouldn’t have even crossed your mind
I was being facetious you goof. I was referencing the commonly held erroneous beliefs of those who would play apologist for the bugs utilizing their bush jr era war on terror childhood memories. That plots and narratives must be read strictly and only in relation to the specific media in question and never inferring anything and especially not using external sources. Unless of course it supports their conspiracy theories about BA being a false flag. I'm clowning on the blatant hypocrisy. Do you understand what I was doing now?
proof?
The bugs are incapable of such an attack. It literally doesn't make sense.
movie literally showed you that they were capable and how they did it
No, it doesn't. You haven't watched the movie.
how did the bugs get off their home world of Klendathu? Specially to reach the Mormons on one planet, and also the soldiers stationed on Planet P. Those are two different locations btw, two entirely different planets.
They were already there and probably had been there for centuries if not millenia. Don't why you think they weren't.
Planet P
>They were already there and probably had been there for centuries if not millenia. Don't why you think they weren't.
How exactly did this species of bug propagate across different planets like that? Be specific and use your words, like a big boy.
>They are relatively stupid by human standards. Workers have an IQ of 12, warriors around 35 , and yet the Arachnids have colonized planets. Over a million years of evolution, Nature has provided the Arachnids with the biological means to hurl their spore into space.
Literally from the script
Anon, I asked him because it proves me right. I wanted him to say it because it would humiliate him.
see? he couldn't bear to do it, but he still came off as angry in his reply. He'll always be another notch on my internet argument belt, now... forever.
>Anon, I asked him because it proves me right
If the bugs could move spores as quickly as the asteroid apparently shifted (ie across the whole galaxy after the settler attack), then the bugs would have covered the entire galaxy in a very short amount of time. I think even in other parts of the franchise, it was over the course of millennia. It doesn't feel like it fits
Anon, he thinks having stuff from the movie that is explicitly shown contradicting his theory means he is right. Don't bother.
You do know that the SST space travel uses wormholes to travel around the galaxy, right?
Oh sorry anon, you said how, not when. Well you see, the bugs have the ability to launch things into space via farts. And once you're in space you keep moving until you hit something. This was shown to be something they are capable of in the movie.
By fricking your mom lol, and cumming super hard lolol
I don't recall seeing the bugs launch meteors at Earth in the movie.
watch it again
>watch it again
they only do it in self defense.
THE BUGS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES
>they only do it in self defense.
they don't do it at all
Ok I just watched it again and it wasn't in there. Your response????
There IS no lie. There was never a lie. The people that write that just perpetuate their own hatred they have towards their own government. Everyone forgets that SST is a fricking utopian state compared to what we have, thanks to it being ruled strictly by the class of people driven by self sacrifice.
the bugs wiping out christcucks is awesome, pretty much representations why they should be emulated they are collective and strong
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Why the frick would the society depicted in the movie even need a false flag of than magnitude to justify using the military? If it was revealed as a false flag that would be really shitty writing.
>Why the frick would the society depicted in the movie even need a false flag of than magnitude to justify using the military?
Because they're human after all. You don't think a fascist society would ever have order break down?
The society was totally capable. One major battle loss and the supreme commander resigned
Imagine if our leadership had such integrity
>Imagine if our leadership had such integrity
Yeah then you might have taken Ukraine by now
>Ukrony hates Starship Troopers
oh the ironing
their whole cultural zeitgeist was practical pragmatism and lying is bad. if they wanted to kill the bugs, they would just go "they're bugs with intergalactic space nukes, pretty obvious we need to kill them. and also they can't think so won't worry about the morality of the situation". instead they nuke their own city and start making up a lie about the bugs being able to think to cover up for it? and then what, they bio-engineered the brain-bugs as well, to make this story more plausible?
the germans losing ww1 has been a disaster for the human race
>their whole cultural zeitgeist was practical pragmatism and lying is bad.
Based on what? Are you defending this fictional fascist government with your headcanon? The fictional leaders of the fictional fascist government written by someone who isn't you COULDN'T be a liar because...?
Oh I get it it's because you're in here propagandizing for fascism in real life 🙂
>Based on what?
on literally everything every federation character says, whose behaviours conforms perfectly to their words
>on literally everything every federation character says
ooooooooooooh and you should believe everything you hear, especially when they say they're not lying?
Rightio Ivan.
>Based on what?
not him but they have a very public event where the current leader steps down and is replaced by a more competent leader, so I guess he's basing it on what happens in the film.
>Are you defending this fictional fascist government with your headcanon?
Hmm. It seems more like you're attacking the "fictional fascist government" with your headcanon, actually.
>The fictional leaders of the fictional fascist government written by someone who isn't you COULDN'T be a liar because...?
...it's a movie. That was easy.
>Oh I get it it's because you're in here propagandizing for fascism in real life 🙂
This seems to be the main point of your comment, the "gotcha" as they say. Perhaps you could explain how it works, specifically what a "fascism" is and why it is bad, and why you care so much.
>not him but they have a very public event where the current leader steps down and is replaced by a more competent leader, so I guess he's basing it on what happens in the film.
So the leaders can't lie because they fired on of their own?
This is your argument?
>So the leaders can't lie because they fired on of their own?
Is there any compelling evidence of a lie? Did Johnny Rico lie to Carmen when he told her he loved her at the start of the film? Men sometimes lie to women, after all.
>This is your argument?
No, I also included these statements:
>Hmm. It seems more like you're attacking the "fictional fascist government" with your headcanon, actually.
>...it's a movie. That was easy.
and
>Perhaps you could explain how it works, specifically what a "fascism" is and why it is bad, and why you care so much.
Awaiting your response ^
>Is there any compelling evidence of a lie?
Yes, the fact that the meteor attack is physically impossible
>physically impossible
This doesn't make sense, you know it's a movie right? That intergalactic space bugs are made up for the film? That human beings don't have interstellar star ships, psychics, etc?
in all likelihood a random asteroid hit the planet and chuds blamed the bugs.
>in all likelihood
in all likelihood Luke's parents were killed by raiders, not Imperial stormtroopers. Raiders can be precise shots too, you know. It's just a coincidence that the stormtroopers were looking for Luke's droids, just like how it's a coincidence that the bugs travel by meteors and are vastly underestimated by the Federation.
>the bugs travel by meteors
Was that in the film?
>vastly underestimated by the Federation
nope
>This doesn't make sense, you know it's a movie right?
And movies have their own internal logic that needs to be consistent. The meteor attack is inconsistent with everything else presented. Deliberately so. If the movie wanted us to believe it was the bugs, they would have shown the bugs doing it. This is after all, your argument. Movies must be taken at face value. This is what you think.
>Why the frick would the society depicted in the movie even need a false flag of than magnitude
because the chuds in power allowed an asteroid to hit the planet and had to blame it on some evil other. Its fascism 101
imagine if they got Verhoeven to make a new Starship troopers.