The writing is better than you'd immediately assume based on its budget. But not as good as 45-year old autists who whined about the Netflix show would have you believe.
You hate gay people more than you love He-Man. It really makes you wonder how your childhood love for something so pure and fun was twisted into something so vile and toxic. It's sad to see.
Good...for laughs. it's friggin ancient, shows back then weren't exactly the same standard as today. Spider-Man or X-Men TAS aged gracefuly compared to this.
The standards were different in 1983 compared to day but not necessarily lower. Today's cartoons are pretty shoddily made compared to how they were 30, 20, or even 10 years ago.
The writing is fine, within the constraints of having to be completely episodic. This was the standard for Western cartoons as late as Batman: TAS, only breaking down with Disney's Gargoyles and the New Gods arc of Superman: TAS.
It's where Paul Dini (BTAS), Larry DiTillio & Bob Forward (Beast Wars) and J. Michael Straczynski (who moved out of the kids' show industry with Babylon 5) got their starts.
The stock animation was not as good as its competitors that got outsourced to Japan: Transformers, GI Joe and Thundercats. We've reached a point where producers can't afford that kind of animation as wages throughout East Asia have gone up, and instead of doing the money-saving tricks Filmation used to pay American animators, action cartoons chose to save money by reducing labor-intensive detail to blobs like Adventure Time.
Not very. The cast is fun and there's some amusing dialogue, but it always felt like it fundamentally missed the appeal of MOTU to me and was never a very good cartoon on its own merits, either.
The DC comics from a few years ago have their moments, but MOTU has struggled with decent fiction in a way that other brands haven't.
I think it's the best MOTU thing. It knows exactly how silly and campy the He-Man concept is and has fun with it, but doesn't go full-meta like a modern version of the same thing would.
I think MOTU works best when it's played straight and lets the goofy bits speak for themselves. 2002 and Revelation both flirt with that approach but are self-undermining. I think the CG show is in some respects very clearly the best show of them all, but I find it grating to watch.
2002 one took itself too serious for me. Revelation got too serious in parts, too. I'm not sure how a modern He-Man could work. Maybe get the Brave and the Bold people to do it. That's a show that pays tribute to the "goofy" old comics without mocking them or devolving into meta-parody.
(Original) She-Ra is an interesting case because Adora being raised by a planetary dictator and defecting to join the Rebellion creates a TON of serious subtext, so presenting goofy bits and letting them speak for themselves could get confusing.
By that I just mean it doesn't need to call attention to it or wink so much at the audience. Adapt the characters and setting to work for whatever tone you're doing, and leave it at that. That's what's allowed Transformers, G.I. Joe, and superhero comics in general to be so pliable. Know the tone and go from there. Megatron is a robot from another planet that turns into the gun from Man from U.N.C.L.E., but that doesn't prevent the 1986 movie from being a straightforward space adventure film with serious stakes.
>Megatron is a robot from another planet that turns into the gun from Man from U.N.C.L.E., but that doesn't prevent the 1986 movie from being a straightforward space adventure film with serious stakes.
Oh yeah, totally agree.
>The cast is fun and there's some amusing dialogue, but it always felt like it fundamentally missed the appeal of MOTU to me and was never a very good cartoon on its own merits, either.
MotU was originally conceived to cash in on the popularity of Conan without being rated R, with blasters and sci-fi vehicles added because Mattel had passed on the Star Wars license. That's why they hired Alfredo Alcala, who had been discovered by Marvel for Savage Sword of Conan, to illustrate the first minicomics packed with the figures.
Story ideas like Teela being born of a metaphor for rape wasn't going to survive the transition to cartoons.
>"The Dragon's Gift" is a great episode.
Larry DiTillio joined Filmation because altering his /tg/ module "The Dragons of Darksmoke" into a script format with He-Man and Teela as PCs was a way to get paid a second time for that work. It was recognized as so good that he was hired full-time.
The writing is better than you'd immediately assume based on its budget. But not as good as 45-year old autists who whined about the Netflix show would have you believe.
>It was always shit
This is a shills argument.
I don't think it's shit at all. In fact, it was one of my favorite shows as a kid.
The animation is definitely shit, but it's better than the crap we have today, recycled rotoscoped animation and all.
I watched the original GI joe series, I could count on my hand the number of episodes that can be classified as good.
Five of them
It’s a shill’s only argument.
>star wars
>marvel
>ghostbusters
>doctor who
>star trek
>lotr
>mtg
>dnd
>star wars
>ghostbusters
>doctor who
>star trek
>lotr
Nobody has ever claimed that these "was always shit"
>person tells you a franchise was always shit and you're an idiot for liking it
>hmm, he must be shilling for it
The cope is real.
kys
t. a 45-year old autist
t.ranny who worships cuckshit
He-Man is a homosexual.
Die Kevintroon
Stop worshiping gay cartoons. What are you, some kind of troony cuck who watches gay cartoons for gay homosexuals?
You hate gay people more than you love He-Man. It really makes you wonder how your childhood love for something so pure and fun was twisted into something so vile and toxic. It's sad to see.
ywnbam teela
The same thing happened to Star Wars. There aren't any fans left at this point, just people who get angry at it.
From what I remember, it was decent.
Good...for laughs. it's friggin ancient, shows back then weren't exactly the same standard as today. Spider-Man or X-Men TAS aged gracefuly compared to this.
200X definitely has it beaten.
The standards were different in 1983 compared to day but not necessarily lower. Today's cartoons are pretty shoddily made compared to how they were 30, 20, or even 10 years ago.
- actual voice acting
- characters can move and emote without reusing footage contantly.
- continuity.
Did He-Man had those?
We don't have actual voice acting today. Most cartoons today are voiced by low-talent Disney Channel teenagers or something similar.
MOTU had great voice acting and solid continuity.
It's shit and all its fans are ironic or mentally ill.
really bad
Pretty shit. Which makes it kind of impressive that the new one is somehow far worse.
not as good as skeletor
So good that we're still talking about it 40 years later.
great music and audio
The writing is fine, within the constraints of having to be completely episodic. This was the standard for Western cartoons as late as Batman: TAS, only breaking down with Disney's Gargoyles and the New Gods arc of Superman: TAS.
It's where Paul Dini (BTAS), Larry DiTillio & Bob Forward (Beast Wars) and J. Michael Straczynski (who moved out of the kids' show industry with Babylon 5) got their starts.
The stock animation was not as good as its competitors that got outsourced to Japan: Transformers, GI Joe and Thundercats. We've reached a point where producers can't afford that kind of animation as wages throughout East Asia have gone up, and instead of doing the money-saving tricks Filmation used to pay American animators, action cartoons chose to save money by reducing labor-intensive detail to blobs like Adventure Time.
Not very. The cast is fun and there's some amusing dialogue, but it always felt like it fundamentally missed the appeal of MOTU to me and was never a very good cartoon on its own merits, either.
The DC comics from a few years ago have their moments, but MOTU has struggled with decent fiction in a way that other brands haven't.
I think it's the best MOTU thing. It knows exactly how silly and campy the He-Man concept is and has fun with it, but doesn't go full-meta like a modern version of the same thing would.
This.
the He-Man cartoon was awesome because of how crass and toy-etic the whole thing was. It WAS a 25-minute toy commercial, and that's why we loved it.
I think MOTU works best when it's played straight and lets the goofy bits speak for themselves. 2002 and Revelation both flirt with that approach but are self-undermining. I think the CG show is in some respects very clearly the best show of them all, but I find it grating to watch.
2002 one took itself too serious for me. Revelation got too serious in parts, too. I'm not sure how a modern He-Man could work. Maybe get the Brave and the Bold people to do it. That's a show that pays tribute to the "goofy" old comics without mocking them or devolving into meta-parody.
(Original) She-Ra is an interesting case because Adora being raised by a planetary dictator and defecting to join the Rebellion creates a TON of serious subtext, so presenting goofy bits and letting them speak for themselves could get confusing.
By that I just mean it doesn't need to call attention to it or wink so much at the audience. Adapt the characters and setting to work for whatever tone you're doing, and leave it at that. That's what's allowed Transformers, G.I. Joe, and superhero comics in general to be so pliable. Know the tone and go from there. Megatron is a robot from another planet that turns into the gun from Man from U.N.C.L.E., but that doesn't prevent the 1986 movie from being a straightforward space adventure film with serious stakes.
>Megatron is a robot from another planet that turns into the gun from Man from U.N.C.L.E., but that doesn't prevent the 1986 movie from being a straightforward space adventure film with serious stakes.
Oh yeah, totally agree.
>The cast is fun and there's some amusing dialogue, but it always felt like it fundamentally missed the appeal of MOTU to me and was never a very good cartoon on its own merits, either.
MotU was originally conceived to cash in on the popularity of Conan without being rated R, with blasters and sci-fi vehicles added because Mattel had passed on the Star Wars license. That's why they hired Alfredo Alcala, who had been discovered by Marvel for Savage Sword of Conan, to illustrate the first minicomics packed with the figures.
Story ideas like Teela being born of a metaphor for rape wasn't going to survive the transition to cartoons.
actually MOTU was a loose adaptation of the New Gods
"The Dragon's Gift" is a great episode. Genuinely good, He-Man not withstanding.
A Tale of Two Cities is another good one.
>"The Dragon's Gift" is a great episode.
Larry DiTillio joined Filmation because altering his /tg/ module "The Dragons of Darksmoke" into a script format with He-Man and Teela as PCs was a way to get paid a second time for that work. It was recognized as so good that he was hired full-time.