Britain funded military action by the coalitions against the frogs for years before then, it's why Nappy hated the bongs so much.
The arrival of the Prussians was also a planned action
But there's a reason they were called wars of the X coalitions
It's a meme that Britain was the biggest contributing factor that defeated Napoleon.
Napoleon literally invaded Russia with the biggest army in world history at the time, and got utterly trounced and decimated. This defeat the hands of Russia had the biggest impact on the eventual breakup of the French empire, moreso than any of the gay, evasive, proxy war hands-off shit that the brits played at.
Napoleon never would've invaded Russia were it not for the British ignoring his cucktinental system and trading with them.
Only intelligent post in the exchange. Rothschild funded and organized the entire Wellington campaign. Not to mention their other activities during the entire warring period.
Only intelligent post in the exchange. Rothschild funded and organized the entire Wellington campaign. Not to mention their other activities during the entire warring period.
He's right, it's Prussia who did the work. Just before Napoleon was winning.
But the arrival of the Prussian troops was a disaster and the French troops were overwhelmed. It was 1 against 10.
It's a meme that Britain was the biggest contributing factor that defeated Napoleon.
Napoleon literally invaded Russia with the biggest army in world history at the time, and got utterly trounced and decimated. This defeat the hands of Russia had the biggest impact on the eventual breakup of the French empire, moreso than any of the gay, evasive, proxy war hands-off shit that the brits played at.
So what would you describe entering a country with 600k men and leaving with barely 100k battered survivors scared for their lives, not fulfilling any of your actual goals?
It was part of the russian grand strategy at play, you dumb angloid.
The russians leveraged everything they could to beat napoleon's army, including hit and run attacks, attrition, bad climate, weakening vulnerable supply lines.
You may not like it or consider it the 'wrong' way to fight a war, but tough shit. Napoleon was the one who got exiled to an island in the middle of the atlantic while the tsar of russia continued to sit on his throne.
What's next? Are you going to bring up k/d ratios?
it's not really a trouncing if you're armies are demolished at every turn and the weather does all the heavy lifting. it was a colossal failure for Napoleon, but the Russians didn't trounce him. additionally the tsar was the one who sent Napoleon to Elba because he was a moronic Francophile, the Hundred Days could have been totally avoided if he had the wherewithal not to send the best general in history who was widely beloved in his country to an island just off the french coast.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Literally none of those things you mentioned accomplished anything of note except the weather.
The Grande Armee was defeated in Russia by Russians it was bled to death in Smolensk, Borodino, Riga and Maloyaroslavets through massive sacrifice. Napoleon got trounced in Russia and never recovered, you are either ignorant or were colonized by Russia and eternally butthurt
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, but Napoleon was trounced by the weather
11 months ago
Anonymous
The biggest casualty factor in the invasion of russia happened in the early stages of the campaign.
I know you're a dummy angloid just repeating your pop history memes and takes, but if you actually studied the war, you would know that napoleon's army lost more men from the supply lines being shattered by russian cavalry. The number of soldiers that died from starvation and bad supply lines was greater and more impactful than the meme weather boogeyman you angloids shill so often.
Good on them for playing the hand they were dealt. It would have been stupid for them to face Napoleon on the battlefield, because that's exactly what he wanted. A win is a win, and they certainly won where it counted.
But surely you understand why someone might find it a bit misleading to characterize a strategy of "perpetual retreat because we'll get our asses kicked if we don't" as if it were a grand military victory at the hands of the Russian army.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But surely you understand why someone might find it a bit misleading to characterize a strategy of "perpetual retreat because we'll get our asses kicked if we don't" as if it were a grand military victory at the hands of the Russian army.
Get bent, britboy.
I'll call things exactly as they are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you accusing people of being brits? Brits, more than anyone, have a huge stick up their ass about Napoleon. They wouldn't be the ones defending him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They really didn't have any choices. The Czar paid an enormous political toll for doing what he did and it heavily influenced the negotiations at the Vienna conference later.
Wellington was in overall command on the allied side, whereas Napoleon was trying to prevent them from linking up into a cohesive force. It was a British victory, they were the glue that kept everyone together. Much like the US in WWII.
And? By the time they did fight the French got resoundingly crushed. I don't really understand the fuzz on what he's saying. Napoleon got beat in Russia. The majority of his army did not make it home. Waterloo was just the final nail in the coffin.
>>ESL
I can speak+write in more than one language, which makes me a more complete human being with a wider skillset from the get go.
Can you say the same for average mutt or angloid?
Imagine thinking ESL is an insult lol.
>Okay vatnik Russia won WW2
Yeah they did. What's your point?
>ukraine
Maybe not.
Why are you fixated on ukraine? This is about Napoleon, you tourist.
>I'm more of a person because I can lie in more than one language!
A chatbot is more human than you >Russia won WW2
If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek >Why are you fixated on ukraine? This is about Napoleon, you tourist.
Because every ROSSIA STRONK poster has cranked their mindless drivel up to 11 these past 2 years. You're no different.
>A chatbot is more human than you
And a chatbot is more human than an american.
What's your point?
I can speak more than one language which already puts my IQ above most mutts.
>If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek
Who is we, crybaby?
>Because every ROSSIA STRONK poster has cranked their mindless drivel up to 11 these past 2 years. You're no different.
Russia won against Napoleon.
I'm sorry this upsets you for whatever reason, you silly american baboon.
Kek knowing more than one language has nothing to do with IQ otherwise all these illegal Mexicans in the US and Somalians in Europe would be raising the IQ of the places they're invading. You're so fricking dumb I actually feel good the planet's collective IQ goes up every time one of you gets drone bombed trying to suck eachother off
11 months ago
Anonymous
>otherwise all these illegal Mexicans in the US
The ones currently blowing you out demographically and taking over your dumb israeliteed up country without firing a bullet?
Seems like a pretty smart move to me. Then again, it doesn't take much to outwit a dumb american.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Currently losing to the America he hates so much
Sucks to suck
>>If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek >Who is we, crybaby?
Who do you think manufactures Spam? Mongolia? My country sent you a collective meat brick the size of 5 Titanics when you were starving and your thanks for it is going "What Spam? Didn't happen". Its poetic justice we're sending that exact same spam product to Ukraine every day while they wipe you slavic potatoBlack folk off the face of the earth
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not slavic, you dumb circumcised monkey.
And you ameriBlack folk will never be white lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not slavic,
Sure moron. You haven't said a single factual thing yet and now I'm totally going to start believing you
[...]
The Grande Armee was defeated in Russia by Russians it was bled to death in Smolensk, Borodino, Riga and Maloyaroslavets through massive sacrifice. Napoleon got trounced in Russia and never recovered, you are either ignorant or were colonized by Russia and eternally butthurt
>it was ackshually le weather
God damn, you're dumb.
Read a fricking book sometime and stop getting your takes from pop history youtube channels.
>He got trounced by dysentery and bad logistics.
We all know you watched youtube videos instead of reading.
>It's a meme that Britain was the biggest contributing factor that defeated Napoleon.
Black person, if Britain had lost the battle of trafalgar then waterloo would not have even been there to win or lose. It would have been all over already.
>If you burn your entire european countryside, run away, starve millions of your own people to death and end up a more destitute and empoverished country than had you been conquered: you win!
Russian warfare is a thing of wonder. Basically comes down to >we can be far more brutal to our own than you could ever be towards them
And then vatniks clap like seals
>just smash against a guy who fought 70 battles and lost almost none, it will work 71st time
This is why Europe kneeled. Vatniks knew that after Borodino any actual battle was a frivolous endeavor.
>What do you think that Waterloo was?
A fricking meme that the Brits and Germans nearly lost while outnumber a hastily put together French army 2 to 1.
She's not wrong. The Prussians played a significant roll in the battle and were engaged with French forces before the British, despite Wellington claiming the Prussians arrived late and played a minor roll. And Wellington admitted later he downplayed the Prussian roll in the victory for strategic purposes.
The fighting against the Prussians in Plancenoit was also by far the bloodiest part of the battle, it went on all afternoon and just devolved into a close quarters street brawl and both sides just kept feeding more and more men into it. I remember reading some memoir, don't remember if it was Prussian or French describing that by the end of the battle, the streets were so blanketed with the dead and dying that you couldn't even see the cobblestones anymore.
Reminder that if naval commanders operating on their own and guessing what their bosses want them to do chose a little differently Nappy might have been able to get an army across the channel
Things might have gone differently if he married into Russia's royal family, sorted out Spain, was willing to give up Italy or actually freed Poland or used his imperial guard at Borodino.
But it didn't happen that way and frogs were returned to their natural state of irrelevancy for all time.
>Things might have gone differently if he married into Russia's royal family
Russia was definitely open to alternatives after they fled back into Russia. I've thought about before what would have happened if instead of chasing them back into Russia, they instead hooked south and began freeing the various Balkan ethnic groups and shattered the sick man of Europe, restoring Constantinople and becoming Savior of Europe.
>I've thought about before what would have happened if instead of chasing them back into Russia, they instead hooked south and began freeing the various Balkan ethnic groups and shattered the sick man of Europe, restoring Constantinople and becoming Savior of Europe.
jesus you're a homosexual
>entire plan hinged on Wellington holding Napoleon at bay with a smaller and less experienced army long enough for the Prussians to arrive and attack the French from the rear
It seems a bit harsh to not call it a British victory when the entire fricking plan hinged on British soldiers holding the French and perhaps the best general in history to a stalemate for an entire day before rescue arrived.
half Wellington's troops were coalition troops though from the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, etc. It was still a British victory, but the European element is downplayed somewhat.
I wonder if they will mention that Napoleon emancipated the israelites (which were utterly hated and relegated to ghettos at the time)
On that regard, he was the opposite of Hitler and probably the reason the world got so fricked up after him
The Rothschilds were already rich by the time Napoleon freed the israelites. israelites were already free in the Netherlands and German state of the Palatinate. Like wise, court israelites would always rise up in power but get cut down after accumulating too much of it. Nate Rothschild immigrated to England and became a massive speculator in British bonds and eventually became the richest man in the world.
She's not wrong.
The 'popular' narrative of history is technically wrong 100% of the time.
Just like how the US didn't win their revolutionary war alone, it was continental European forces keeping the British forces in check such that they couldn't commit all their attention to the Americas. Not to mention the direct help France sent the US.
Another interesting one is the civil rights movement, which didn't happen because of MLK and changing attitudes of the rich white establishment becoming more lenient, rather, the establishment was afraid of a communist uprising in the US since black people (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJv0jMLLRcw) and the working class were becoming more and more sympathetic to communist/socialist ideas.
>it was continental European forces keeping the British forces in check such that they couldn't commit all their attention to the Americas
It wasn't though. The British seen India as more important to keep hold of than America because it was more lucrative and they were getting uppity at the same time. It was simple logistics and economics because Britain couldn't fight both at once.
>china makes a game where napoleons sister saves france under the banner of the maid during the first coalition war >everyone loves it >whoever this is makes a movie about how napolean was defeated by a woman >REEEEEEEEEEEEE
What the frick was Napoleon thinking going to Russia? Even if he by some miracle he doesn't get fricked with climate factors and poor logistics, he still has to hold onto land that's going to be full of Russian loyalists who can easily overthrow the regime when Napoleon fricks off back to France.
Napoleon instituted a blockade of Britain with the continental blockade, and anyone who traded with them is going to get their ass kicked. Most of Europe played ball, but Russia was like frick you and continued to trade with Britain. France had to do something because if Russia doesn't comply, then why should anyone else?
I see what you're saying, but if that's the case, then wouldn't it be more prudent to have naval forces engage with Russian supply lines, rather than waste your foot army?
They almost defeated Nelson, but one of the navy groups made the decision to turn away not knowing the other allied navy was engaging with one of the larger forces. If they joined together then they would have had a solid chance of dealing the British Navy a crippling blow
>What the frick was Napoleon thinking going to Russia?
There is an unspoken political dimension that motivated Napoleon to invade Russia.
France's empire was showing signs of weakness. Napoleon's last war was against the Austrians, who put up an intense fight and gave him a run for his money militarily. He observed how the Austrians implemented the same reforms as his own and used them to great effect.
Then there was rising nationalist sentiment in the Confederation of the Rhine. This was inevitably going to spill out into another revolt against France.
Napoleon couldn't just sit around idly as his subjects and neighbors continued building up strength and nurturing grievances. The war against Russia was a release valve to reduce all that built up pressure and give his neighbors a new enemy to focus their energy against. If all things went accordingly, it would also unify Europe like nothing else and finally give weight and legitimacy to his empire.
I don't understand why in any invasion of Russia that the euros don't take the Baltic and st Pete first and just hold it until the next summer. Likewise for the black sea ports, deny Russia the water and have a naval supply route for your army.
Yeah and Crimea is the example where western Europe "won" but the whole goal and purpose of that war is muddy. I think it can be agreed that it wasn't meant as a war of conquest
All of that is easier said than done.
The black sea is far away from a lot of the west, and the waterway separating the black sea from the med is a political hot potato that requires the cooperation of turkey.
As for St Petersburg, the Germans tried to do exactly that and made a beeline for the city in WW2. Even though they surrounded the city for over 2 years, they never took it and eventually got repelled.
That's my point, the Germans and Finns surrounded stp but couldn't take it and couldn't even actually surround it to prevent resupply. It might be easier said than done, but the petersburg sieges always seem accompanied by an equally failed siege of Moscow and Sevastopol etc. so that nothing works.
All of that is easier said than done.
The black sea is far away from a lot of the west, and the waterway separating the black sea from the med is a political hot potato that requires the cooperation of turkey.
As for St Petersburg, the Germans tried to do exactly that and made a beeline for the city in WW2. Even though they surrounded the city for over 2 years, they never took it and eventually got repelled.
Prussians got buck-broken by Napoleon, so they were forced to for him in Russia. By the time of Waterloo they were free again and fought againsgt the French.
If Scott's other films are anything to go by it will be Historical Fantasy. The man has never done a biopic right. And he will not do one now. So don't get your hopes up.
Didn’t Wellesley himself say that he would have lost of the Prussian had not come just in time?
Isn’t it also agreed upon that the battles outclme wasn’t because of Wellesley made some good decisions but because Napoleon made several bad ones.
I think some historian pointed out that the main reason why Wellesley got all the glory is because the leaders of the Prussians was having mental problems
It was coalition victory, which includes bongs. Also, Spanish grip on colonies weakened, allowing bongs to get upper hand, and European threat was neutralized for a while, so I would say bongs did win quite a bit.
>historical movie about to release >everyone on Cinemaphile rushes to the wiki and then tries to argue their surface level knowledge against each other
happens every single time
>Britain becomes the hegemonic superpower for the next century >not a British victory
It's like saying the invasion of Europe in WW2 wasn't a victory for the USA even if the Soviets took most of the beating
What does Britain becoming a superpower (in their third world colonies anyway) after the war have to do with the fact that it wasn't because of them that the Battle of Waterloo was won? Those two are not mutually exclusive.
>Britain gets other nations to help fight its battles
>Becomes top dog after the French lose
Sounds like a British victory to me
Britain funded military action by the coalitions against the frogs for years before then, it's why Nappy hated the bongs so much.
The arrival of the Prussians was also a planned action
But there's a reason they were called wars of the X coalitions
Napoleon never would've invaded Russia were it not for the British ignoring his cucktinental system and trading with them.
Technically it was a Rothschild victory.
>Look up how long the Rothschild's have been rich
>15th century
Gat damn
That’s about when the trouble started.
Only intelligent post in the exchange. Rothschild funded and organized the entire Wellington campaign. Not to mention their other activities during the entire warring period.
Not really, they funded both sides.
everyone knows that Prussia saved the day but I wonder if acknowledging the existence of Prussia is enough to get cancelled
What are you talking about?
Too much youtube plz unnersthan.
He's right, it's Prussia who did the work. Just before Napoleon was winning.
But the arrival of the Prussian troops was a disaster and the French troops were overwhelmed. It was 1 against 10.
It's a meme that Britain was the biggest contributing factor that defeated Napoleon.
Napoleon literally invaded Russia with the biggest army in world history at the time, and got utterly trounced and decimated. This defeat the hands of Russia had the biggest impact on the eventual breakup of the French empire, moreso than any of the gay, evasive, proxy war hands-off shit that the brits played at.
>and got utterly trounced
That isn't really how I would describe it but I guess
So what would you describe entering a country with 600k men and leaving with barely 100k battered survivors scared for their lives, not fulfilling any of your actual goals?
I just don't think you can say you trounced your enemies if the vast majority of them died to attrition
It was part of the russian grand strategy at play, you dumb angloid.
The russians leveraged everything they could to beat napoleon's army, including hit and run attacks, attrition, bad climate, weakening vulnerable supply lines.
You may not like it or consider it the 'wrong' way to fight a war, but tough shit. Napoleon was the one who got exiled to an island in the middle of the atlantic while the tsar of russia continued to sit on his throne.
What's next? Are you going to bring up k/d ratios?
Literally none of those things you mentioned accomplished anything of note except the weather.
>it was ackshually le weather
God damn, you're dumb.
Read a fricking book sometime and stop getting your takes from pop history youtube channels.
>He got trounced by dysentery and bad logistics.
We all know you watched youtube videos instead of reading.
it's not really a trouncing if you're armies are demolished at every turn and the weather does all the heavy lifting. it was a colossal failure for Napoleon, but the Russians didn't trounce him. additionally the tsar was the one who sent Napoleon to Elba because he was a moronic Francophile, the Hundred Days could have been totally avoided if he had the wherewithal not to send the best general in history who was widely beloved in his country to an island just off the french coast.
The Grande Armee was defeated in Russia by Russians it was bled to death in Smolensk, Borodino, Riga and Maloyaroslavets through massive sacrifice. Napoleon got trounced in Russia and never recovered, you are either ignorant or were colonized by Russia and eternally butthurt
Okay, but Napoleon was trounced by the weather
The biggest casualty factor in the invasion of russia happened in the early stages of the campaign.
I know you're a dummy angloid just repeating your pop history memes and takes, but if you actually studied the war, you would know that napoleon's army lost more men from the supply lines being shattered by russian cavalry. The number of soldiers that died from starvation and bad supply lines was greater and more impactful than the meme weather boogeyman you angloids shill so often.
Good on them for playing the hand they were dealt. It would have been stupid for them to face Napoleon on the battlefield, because that's exactly what he wanted. A win is a win, and they certainly won where it counted.
But surely you understand why someone might find it a bit misleading to characterize a strategy of "perpetual retreat because we'll get our asses kicked if we don't" as if it were a grand military victory at the hands of the Russian army.
>But surely you understand why someone might find it a bit misleading to characterize a strategy of "perpetual retreat because we'll get our asses kicked if we don't" as if it were a grand military victory at the hands of the Russian army.
Get bent, britboy.
I'll call things exactly as they are.
Why are you accusing people of being brits? Brits, more than anyone, have a huge stick up their ass about Napoleon. They wouldn't be the ones defending him.
They really didn't have any choices. The Czar paid an enormous political toll for doing what he did and it heavily influenced the negotiations at the Vienna conference later.
Wellington was in overall command on the allied side, whereas Napoleon was trying to prevent them from linking up into a cohesive force. It was a British victory, they were the glue that kept everyone together. Much like the US in WWII.
Why?
He got trounced by dysentery and bad logistics. All Russia did was keep running away from him until his army's supply lines got too stretched.
And? By the time they did fight the French got resoundingly crushed. I don't really understand the fuzz on what he's saying. Napoleon got beat in Russia. The majority of his army did not make it home. Waterloo was just the final nail in the coffin.
Russia harassed Napoleon's supply lines while also denying him any new resources with scorched earth. Saying they just "ran away" is disingenuous.
Also Borodino was a Pyrrhic victory for Napoleon.
>ESL
Okay vatnik Russia won WW2 and will win in Ukraine too right?
Yes
>>ESL
I can speak+write in more than one language, which makes me a more complete human being with a wider skillset from the get go.
Can you say the same for average mutt or angloid?
Imagine thinking ESL is an insult lol.
>Okay vatnik Russia won WW2
Yeah they did. What's your point?
>ukraine
Maybe not.
Why are you fixated on ukraine? This is about Napoleon, you tourist.
>fixated on ukraine?
>I'm more of a person because I can lie in more than one language!
A chatbot is more human than you
>Russia won WW2
If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek
>Why are you fixated on ukraine? This is about Napoleon, you tourist.
Because every ROSSIA STRONK poster has cranked their mindless drivel up to 11 these past 2 years. You're no different.
>A chatbot is more human than you
And a chatbot is more human than an american.
What's your point?
I can speak more than one language which already puts my IQ above most mutts.
>If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek
Who is we, crybaby?
>Because every ROSSIA STRONK poster has cranked their mindless drivel up to 11 these past 2 years. You're no different.
Russia won against Napoleon.
I'm sorry this upsets you for whatever reason, you silly american baboon.
Kek knowing more than one language has nothing to do with IQ otherwise all these illegal Mexicans in the US and Somalians in Europe would be raising the IQ of the places they're invading. You're so fricking dumb I actually feel good the planet's collective IQ goes up every time one of you gets drone bombed trying to suck eachother off
>otherwise all these illegal Mexicans in the US
The ones currently blowing you out demographically and taking over your dumb israeliteed up country without firing a bullet?
Seems like a pretty smart move to me. Then again, it doesn't take much to outwit a dumb american.
>Currently losing to the America he hates so much
Sucks to suck
>>If we stopped sending you spam for a month you all would have starved to death kek
>Who is we, crybaby?
Who do you think manufactures Spam? Mongolia? My country sent you a collective meat brick the size of 5 Titanics when you were starving and your thanks for it is going "What Spam? Didn't happen". Its poetic justice we're sending that exact same spam product to Ukraine every day while they wipe you slavic potatoBlack folk off the face of the earth
I'm not slavic, you dumb circumcised monkey.
And you ameriBlack folk will never be white lol
>I'm not slavic,
Sure moron. You haven't said a single factual thing yet and now I'm totally going to start believing you
When has germany ever won a war against russia?
WW1
100% cope.
dumb troony
>It's a meme that Britain was the biggest contributing factor that defeated Napoleon.
Black person, if Britain had lost the battle of trafalgar then waterloo would not have even been there to win or lose. It would have been all over already.
>If you burn your entire european countryside, run away, starve millions of your own people to death and end up a more destitute and empoverished country than had you been conquered: you win!
Russian warfare is a thing of wonder. Basically comes down to
>we can be far more brutal to our own than you could ever be towards them
And then vatniks clap like seals
>just smash against a guy who fought 70 battles and lost almost none, it will work 71st time
This is why Europe kneeled. Vatniks knew that after Borodino any actual battle was a frivolous endeavor.
>it will work 71st time
What do you think that Waterloo was? You stupid Russian homosexual.
>What do you think that Waterloo was?
A fricking meme that the Brits and Germans nearly lost while outnumber a hastily put together French army 2 to 1.
Russian dicksuckers are the cringest and most embarrassing posters on this site.
>nooooo you're supposed to wait until they're at full strength before attacking!!
>it wasn't a British victory because other people got a participation trophy
this is why i don't listen to wimminz
very dumb post, you don't know anything about this topic but posted anyway
Story of Cinemaphile
>very dumb post
>t. participation trophy owner
more like Lucy prostitutesley
nobody gets your boomer references
>Outing yourself as a newbie
ngmi
She's not wrong. The Prussians played a significant roll in the battle and were engaged with French forces before the British, despite Wellington claiming the Prussians arrived late and played a minor roll. And Wellington admitted later he downplayed the Prussian roll in the victory for strategic purposes.
>https://www.napoleon.org/en/magazine/publications/wellingtons-smallest-victory-the-duke-the-model-maker-and-the-secret-of-waterloo/
>roll
The fighting against the Prussians in Plancenoit was also by far the bloodiest part of the battle, it went on all afternoon and just devolved into a close quarters street brawl and both sides just kept feeding more and more men into it. I remember reading some memoir, don't remember if it was Prussian or French describing that by the end of the battle, the streets were so blanketed with the dead and dying that you couldn't even see the cobblestones anymore.
Reminder that if naval commanders operating on their own and guessing what their bosses want them to do chose a little differently Nappy might have been able to get an army across the channel
Things might have gone differently if he married into Russia's royal family, sorted out Spain, was willing to give up Italy or actually freed Poland or used his imperial guard at Borodino.
But it didn't happen that way and frogs were returned to their natural state of irrelevancy for all time.
>Things might have gone differently if he married into Russia's royal family
Russia was definitely open to alternatives after they fled back into Russia. I've thought about before what would have happened if instead of chasing them back into Russia, they instead hooked south and began freeing the various Balkan ethnic groups and shattered the sick man of Europe, restoring Constantinople and becoming Savior of Europe.
>I've thought about before what would have happened if instead of chasing them back into Russia, they instead hooked south and began freeing the various Balkan ethnic groups and shattered the sick man of Europe, restoring Constantinople and becoming Savior of Europe.
jesus you're a homosexual
Poland gave Napoleon some of his best light cavalry. What would Greece have given him? Serbia?
>entire plan hinged on Wellington holding Napoleon at bay with a smaller and less experienced army long enough for the Prussians to arrive and attack the French from the rear
It seems a bit harsh to not call it a British victory when the entire fricking plan hinged on British soldiers holding the French and perhaps the best general in history to a stalemate for an entire day before rescue arrived.
half Wellington's troops were coalition troops though from the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, etc. It was still a British victory, but the European element is downplayed somewhat.
fair enough
I wonder if they will mention that Napoleon emancipated the israelites (which were utterly hated and relegated to ghettos at the time)
On that regard, he was the opposite of Hitler and probably the reason the world got so fricked up after him
It's funny since Wellington was trying to keep israelites out of the British government until his dying day.
wtf I hate napoleon now
The Rothschilds were already rich by the time Napoleon freed the israelites. israelites were already free in the Netherlands and German state of the Palatinate. Like wise, court israelites would always rise up in power but get cut down after accumulating too much of it. Nate Rothschild immigrated to England and became a massive speculator in British bonds and eventually became the richest man in the world.
like everyone /misc/ worships, this guy, nietzsche, etc, a massive philosemite
You've never visited /misc/ yet you're seething about them
She's not wrong.
The 'popular' narrative of history is technically wrong 100% of the time.
Just like how the US didn't win their revolutionary war alone, it was continental European forces keeping the British forces in check such that they couldn't commit all their attention to the Americas. Not to mention the direct help France sent the US.
Another interesting one is the civil rights movement, which didn't happen because of MLK and changing attitudes of the rich white establishment becoming more lenient, rather, the establishment was afraid of a communist uprising in the US since black people (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJv0jMLLRcw) and the working class were becoming more and more sympathetic to communist/socialist ideas.
>it was continental European forces keeping the British forces in check such that they couldn't commit all their attention to the Americas
It wasn't though. The British seen India as more important to keep hold of than America because it was more lucrative and they were getting uppity at the same time. It was simple logistics and economics because Britain couldn't fight both at once.
israeli bankers (Rothschilds) also helped win Waterloo. Without their funding there was no way Brits would have won.
Don't forget they lied about the outcome
>le russian beat napoleon
>pax britannica began afterwards
yeah total russian victory
as long as she handles my hilt like this i'll believe anything she says.
that's the same woman? holy wall
Dumb faceblind homie
Gomenasai
what is her defense for a toe sucking?
Woah, was she there?
Stupid title above the photo doesn’t match the more correct take below. Obviously, it wasn’t solely a British victory because there was a coalition.
Oh yeah, you're right. More clickbait.
>china makes a game where napoleons sister saves france under the banner of the maid during the first coalition war
>everyone loves it
>whoever this is makes a movie about how napolean was defeated by a woman
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
they'll never let you know how wars are really won/lost
Why would anyone trust a modern day woman historian from BBC?
True because it was actually a German victory
%3D%3D
I love this bong chick but why the frick can't British people pronounce the letter R?
The British did most of the fighting at Waterloo though by far.
What the frick was Napoleon thinking going to Russia? Even if he by some miracle he doesn't get fricked with climate factors and poor logistics, he still has to hold onto land that's going to be full of Russian loyalists who can easily overthrow the regime when Napoleon fricks off back to France.
Napoleon instituted a blockade of Britain with the continental blockade, and anyone who traded with them is going to get their ass kicked. Most of Europe played ball, but Russia was like frick you and continued to trade with Britain. France had to do something because if Russia doesn't comply, then why should anyone else?
I see what you're saying, but if that's the case, then wouldn't it be more prudent to have naval forces engage with Russian supply lines, rather than waste your foot army?
That's still an act of war, and the French Navy was dealing with the Royal Navy, considered to be the best navy of that era.
>naval forces
The frog navy had their shit slapped by Britain every time they even considered leaving port
They almost defeated Nelson, but one of the navy groups made the decision to turn away not knowing the other allied navy was engaging with one of the larger forces. If they joined together then they would have had a solid chance of dealing the British Navy a crippling blow
>What the frick was Napoleon thinking going to Russia?
There is an unspoken political dimension that motivated Napoleon to invade Russia.
France's empire was showing signs of weakness. Napoleon's last war was against the Austrians, who put up an intense fight and gave him a run for his money militarily. He observed how the Austrians implemented the same reforms as his own and used them to great effect.
Then there was rising nationalist sentiment in the Confederation of the Rhine. This was inevitably going to spill out into another revolt against France.
Napoleon couldn't just sit around idly as his subjects and neighbors continued building up strength and nurturing grievances. The war against Russia was a release valve to reduce all that built up pressure and give his neighbors a new enemy to focus their energy against. If all things went accordingly, it would also unify Europe like nothing else and finally give weight and legitimacy to his empire.
anglos are israelites by definition so yes.
>moronic frogs and other anti-Anglo shitskins unironically believe napoleonic propaganda
top kek
I don't understand why in any invasion of Russia that the euros don't take the Baltic and st Pete first and just hold it until the next summer. Likewise for the black sea ports, deny Russia the water and have a naval supply route for your army.
They tried it in the 1850s. The problem is there’s so much Russia and they don’t really need the ocean.
Yeah and Crimea is the example where western Europe "won" but the whole goal and purpose of that war is muddy. I think it can be agreed that it wasn't meant as a war of conquest
That's my point, the Germans and Finns surrounded stp but couldn't take it and couldn't even actually surround it to prevent resupply. It might be easier said than done, but the petersburg sieges always seem accompanied by an equally failed siege of Moscow and Sevastopol etc. so that nothing works.
All of that is easier said than done.
The black sea is far away from a lot of the west, and the waterway separating the black sea from the med is a political hot potato that requires the cooperation of turkey.
As for St Petersburg, the Germans tried to do exactly that and made a beeline for the city in WW2. Even though they surrounded the city for over 2 years, they never took it and eventually got repelled.
>I don't understand why in any invasion of Russia that the euros don't take the Baltic and st Pete
They tried and failed.
>Prussia with the French here
>Prussia against them at Waterloo
???
!!!
Prussians got buck-broken by Napoleon, so they were forced to for him in Russia. By the time of Waterloo they were free again and fought againsgt the French.
*forced to fight for him
If Scott's other films are anything to go by it will be Historical Fantasy. The man has never done a biopic right. And he will not do one now. So don't get your hopes up.
Didn’t Wellesley himself say that he would have lost of the Prussian had not come just in time?
Isn’t it also agreed upon that the battles outclme wasn’t because of Wellesley made some good decisions but because Napoleon made several bad ones.
I think some historian pointed out that the main reason why Wellesley got all the glory is because the leaders of the Prussians was having mental problems
Britain didnt defeat Napoleon. Napoleon was fatally defeated at Leipzig, even if he didnt know it for a few years. Britain wasnt even there.
BBC and historian in the same sentence.
>It's a Lucy Worsley history show
>She inevitably ends up in period costume
Comfy, I swear her shows are just excuses for her to play dressup
It was coalition victory, which includes bongs. Also, Spanish grip on colonies weakened, allowing bongs to get upper hand, and European threat was neutralized for a while, so I would say bongs did win quite a bit.
Can't believe it hasn't been said yet, would
>Napoleon trailer drops
>everyone on Cinemaphile is suddenly an expert in this time period
its all so tiresome
>historical movie about to release
>everyone on Cinemaphile rushes to the wiki and then tries to argue their surface level knowledge against each other
happens every single time
to be fair 90% of Europeans that went to regular school have more knowledge on the topic than Hollywood morons
I hate the Remainer upper middles so goddamn much lads.
Well I mean she's right, the Prussians did all the actual work.
>can't fill the armor she's wearing
Almost like pottery.
As a Frenchman, how should I watch this ? Original dubbed version hence English, or shitty french dubbed version ?
>anglos lied and are nothing but propaganda
STOP THE PRESSES!
For me it's Bettany Hughes
More like Bettany Huge (because she's fat also she has huge fat breasts).
>Britain becomes the hegemonic superpower for the next century
>not a British victory
It's like saying the invasion of Europe in WW2 wasn't a victory for the USA even if the Soviets took most of the beating
What does Britain becoming a superpower (in their third world colonies anyway) after the war have to do with the fact that it wasn't because of them that the Battle of Waterloo was won? Those two are not mutually exclusive.
Let's be honest Napoleon was a gay moron who thought he invincible because he copyrighted zerg rushes