How many levels of contrarian do you need to be smoking to pretend these are not three of the greatest movies of all time?
You people sit on here all day talking about how shit like Barbie and the black little mermaid are cinematic masterpieces, meanwhile you act like these movies are somehow overrated.
I enjoy them for nostalgia only
I watch the extended cuts from 1-3 in a single sitting every couple years and recite the whole thing near line for line
I think the props and cinematography are unbeatable and likely nothing of this scale will ever be produced again
with that said, I fricking hate frodo, and fantasy is really gay
I like just about everything else and fellowship is the best
>fantasy is really gay
they did it right though. ppl that obsess over DND are gay though
Proof that the LOTR films are for midwits. >waaaaaaah I cant do basic elementary school math and have no imagination cause I drink flouridated tap water so dnd sucks
>t. midwit pseud
DND sucks if you grew up at some point
Holy shit you really are a flouride zombie
sorry i dont like playing make believe with overweight incels in their 30s
>playing make believe with overweight incels in their 30s
A better description of posting here was never written
Go Fellate science you INTJ loser
>with that said, I fricking hate frodo, and fantasy is really gay
someone's got a chip on their shoulder
>three of the greatest movies of all time
Nobody but Hacksonsloppers think this.
It is great because its one of the best pieces of western media turned into a blockbuster by someone who at the time really cared for it.
>implying Hackslop isn’t literal gold compared to everything else from 1999 to present
There are good movies in the early 2000s.
2010 is when it was officially over for Hollywood.
Not really.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
The Northman
Ambulance
Zack Snyder's Justice League
Tenet
The Gentlemen
6 Underground
Uncut Gems
The Lighthouse
Aquaman
The House That Jack Built
Brawl In Cell Block 99
Alien Covenant
The Endless
Nocturnal Animals
Arrival
Batman v Superman
Hacksaw Ridge
Bone Tomahawk
The Witch
The Man from U.N.C.L.E.
No Escape
Spring
Interstellar
Edge of Tomorrow
Pacific Rim
Man of Steel
Dredd
Prometheus
John Carter
Coriolanus
The Tree of Life
Tangled
Okay, remove House That Jack Built, not Hollywood.
How many of those are major studio pictures and how many are independent?
>Justice League
lmao even the Snyder cut isn't good.
It is good. And you do the count.
>pseudism
You're incapable of pattern recognition. Otherwise you'd realize how dumb your little bet is.
>justice league
>alien covenent
>batman v superman
This is your brain on psuedism, I bet you watch Rick and Morty and Bojack Horseman too
Could it be that all of cinema got bad the second you became adults? Or is it that you became old and bitter towards new things like every single generation before you
>the 20s were the last kino decade by the 30s it was over
>the 70s were the last kino decade by the 80s it was over
Fellowship is, the other two are capeshit tier.
I used to disagree but I realize the movie nosedives whenever Gimli is on screen, and he's barely in it for the first half of Fellowship.
Also he's less moronic in the first movie.
Imagine if Hackson hadn't been a fricking moron and ruined Gimli.
Yeah the decision to make Gimli a jackass and just comic relief was stupid, probably to appeal to modern audiences. Not quite as obvious, but he also chose to make Pippin an airheaded moron too, when he wasn't so in the books
>he wasn't so in the books
Yes he was.
>parody weed smoking elf looks more like a believable middle earth elf than any elf from the literal 1 billion dollar show rings of power
grim
it helps they hired a white person for the parody
I just marathoned the whole first half of the first one and it was honestly amazing, it's like i had an out of body experience or some shit
>PG-13 bloodless 'action' setpieces strung together by Hollywood cringe writing
>very little actual good content
There is fart humor and much of the comic relief relies on the short one with a beard being moronic on purpose or knowing things he shouldn't like what parts of the brain are.
Or demonic creatures dug out of the Earth knowing what a menu is
Also Hackson's a loser with his elf armies bailing out humans, horse armies bailing out humans, and low-grade Ringwraiths breaking a Maiar's staff.
I mean they're pretty good but let's not pretend they're perfect. The music does a lot of heavy lifting. They'd be forgotten if it weren't for Howard Shore.
Even Viggo hates them, Cinemaphile just never manages to grow out of its perpetual manchild phase craving nostalgia cookies.
How many starshit threads in the catalogue currently?
Viggo said they were a mess before reshoots, that they did
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When people say Star Wars was saved in post production, i think LOTR is a better case for that. Lucas knew exactly what he wanted. I think Jackson shot as much shit as possible changed things as he went along.
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Frodo being pulled out of the boat by a Uruk hai…wow that sounds horrifically bad.
if you actually read the fricking article, viggo is not hating the movies, you moron. hes talking about the process of making the films being a fricking mess as jackson was fricking geeking out about the technology more than correctly planning his directing and doing reshoots.
The fact it’s 23 years later and these movies still have multiple Cinemaphile discussion threads going every single day
No slop made today will even be remembered 20 years from now
>The fact it’s 23 years later and these movies still have multiple Cinemaphile discussion threads going every single day
People have been talking about Lord of the Rings daily since the 1950s you dumb zoomer. That's what people are talking about first and foremost, not Jackson's Hollywood perversion. When people consider Jackson's contribution to LOTR it is often negative like how her butchered multiple characters or inserted American style slapstick humour into a piece of classic British literature or how he made the movie as much about superhero Aragorn as the hobbits he pushed to the background (utterly the antithesis to what LOTR is about).
The list is fricking massive and streams of very well known book fans (like Roger Ebert) called him out on this at the time. Fun popcorn movies but definitely not-LOTR
i only rewatch the 1st one.
The fellowship is genuinely a fantastic film that is rich with atmosphere and the stakes feels very heavy for the little hobbies. HOWEVER, TTT and RoTK really don't hold up and feel more like action schlock - very good action schlock but they miss the personal feeling the fellowship goes hard on. By TTT and RoTK it's pretty much established all the characters have plot armour.
They are, both in scope and theme, as well as execution.
Its a shit trilogy and Tolkien would have hated it. We need a remake (starting with a hobbit film) that 1 follows the books accurately and 2 has entirely practical effects.
>How many levels of contrarian do you need to be smoking to pretend these are not three of the greatest movies of all time?
Not even close. Dialog is hammy, special effects are dated, plus they’re the reason we have capeshit now
>they’re the reason we have capeshit now
You don't understand what capeshit is. Also, you have mommy issues.
>special effects are dated
balrog looks fantastic
orcs and urukhai look fantastic
costumes outclass anything in any other fantasy or historical movie by a landslide
special effects are not really that dated. the only things that look noticeably old to me in the films are trolls and some of the greenscreen effects. there are also a few moments of complete moronation like when Frodo is passing out in and out of consciousness and there is that effect where Elrond is speaking to him with a white background. looks like fricking ass. also actually the effect and dialogue of Galadriel turning dark looks and sounds like shit. other than that these films are absolutely astonishing and there has yet to be an epic since to even come close to matching them.
The whole movie trilogy is built around action sequences and the direction itself is very pedestrian which works in its favour because it allows the whole endeavour not to sink under its own weight. I think you could make a better adaption of the books not doesnt focus on action set pieces though. That would be more cinematic and explore the themes more seriously without resorting to crowd pleasing moments. Its good but not great.
True the only good direction is during the war scenes where he just apes Griffith
When did you realise you were watching one of the greatest movies of all time?
For me it was when the movie opened with Gandalf activating faster freefall mode to catch up with his freefalling sword so he could have a mid air CGI fight with a CGI creature infront of green screen
Definitely not Age of Ultron tier schlock.
That's kino and you're a little insecure manchild getting filtered by it.
>That's kino
I bet you unironically enjoy Star Wars too
Yes because I'm not an insecure little midwit manchild.
Go watch sterilized Villememe shit.
>Villememe shit
Hes a hack too with nothing interesting to say. The best fantasy films were made before the 1970s.
>The best fantasy films were made before the 1970s.
Name them.
NTA but Wizard of Oz and Beauty and the Beast will always be the goats of the fantasy genre
Wizard of Oz, Viy, Jason Argonauts, The Thief of Baghdad, Sleeping Beauty
I could have included supernatural fantasy like kwaidan or Yokai Monsters or stuff like Its a Wonderful Life.
You're full of shit. Those are good movies but far from the best fantasy movies.
Are you going to bring up sword and sorcery schlock and failed projects like Excalibur? The first half a dozen Disney movies are better fantasy films than anything released in the 80s onwards. Dont get me wrong, i love stuff like Conan, Dragonslayer and Legend but the golden age of Fantastic Fiction ended in the 50s.
>failed projects like Excalibur
>failed
Doesn't look failed to me. You're just rambling, none of what you say means anything.
Camelot is a better telling of the King Arthur story. Excalibur is like a set of keys being dangled before a cat. What i mean about the golden age of fiction is that back then, fantasy meant more than it did now. Thats why you could get great stories like Harvey as well as Pinnochio and both could be called a fantasy. All you needed was one fantastical element and you could still make a serious film. Its steadily become a shallower term over time
>more rambling
You're in some deep dark hole and it's stinky and moronic down there. Stop applying whatever moronic models you're applying to your thinking here, it clearly doesn't work.
This is one of the most perfect fantasy scenes ever constructed. Back when animation was art.
>Back when animation was art.
Still is, manchild.
nta, but there hasnt been any good animation since the 90s. its so dead its not even funny.
You're a worthless person attempting to make a value judgement. Like for real? Frick off.
Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad, X-Men Evolution, basically the entire Adult Swim lineup, anime, the list goes on. Animation is more than just Spider-Man TAS.
all of those are good DESPITE their animation (other than family guy and anime which is all gay except Akira and Magnetic Rose which are the only good animes). im talking animation fidelity wise, nothing is very impressive anymore. Even soviet animation is more aesthetically interesting and has higher quality 2D animation and that's despite huge creative constraints and a shoestring budget
NTA but the late Dreamworks 2D animations were fantastic and a lot of their newer ones are as well. For something recent non-Dreamworks, look at the Arcane show.
It wasn't schlocky then since it was new and cutting edge and it looks great.
Point is Gandalf fought a fricking Balrog and they had to put this on a screen and make it look incredible and I think they mostly succeeded with that.
If it were Marvel the fight would have gone on for 20 minutes and Gandalf would have been fully digitized.
the music when it wideshots into the cavern falling into the water
fricking epic
rip lesnie
it looked awesome and was incredible you c**t. you know you are anonymous, right? you won't get any cool credit for being contrarian, you know.
t. grew up with the books before the films
He is literally a wizard
This is one of the worst boards on Cinemaphile. At least trash users are honest about their taste being shit.
I know what the replies will be before I even click a thread now. You people are robotic.
Extended or theatrical?
I personally believe the extended scenes are superfluous and bog down the movies pacing. There were loads of stuff cut and the more you see them, the more you realise Jackson had no clue what he was doing. The whole Aragorn and Sauron fight is a testament to that as well as Eowyns stupid battle underneath Helms deep. I have no clue why he added the skull avalanche back in. He was more interested in spectacle and theme park rides and every movie hes made since LOTR is a testament to that.
I just feel sad for those who can't enjoy lotr, both movies and books. There must truly be something fundementally wrong with their brain and soul. I'm so sorry
I can enjoy both but the people who act as if the films are the greatest thing ever are just manbabies.
name a better epic
Once Upon a Time in America
Correct take.
If one's soul is poisoned, it taints everything.
The LotR movies are the single greatest achievement in cinema history, and will probably be my favorite movie series until I die.
amen
The movies are the poison tainting the books.
how can one achieve this level of cringe? I kinda feel bad for you for not being able to enjoy the good things in life.
He's really really fat
That fricks you so badly, not only is he tired and grumpy all the time because of the stress to his body but he has serious self esteem issues which is why he talks so spitefully like that
The books are much better than the movies, but the movies are still incredible in their own right even if they messed up many things, and i pity those who can't enjoy both for what they are
obviously the books are better, but you have to consider the fact that adapting LOTR was considered an insurmountable and borderline impossible task. What they created is extremely good and very faithful, all things considering. You can't deny the heart of the films.
>was considered an insurmountable and borderline impossible task
You think any of those complaining ninnies would know about the effort that goes into something like? They criticize movies based on things in their head alone, as if they were directors unchallenged by physical boundaries.
You are right to feel pity, imagine being born brown.
lord of the rings is a white thing, this new consensus that it sucks is because of the increase of browns on the internet
This is literally unironically actually true and it's hilarious, brownoids seem incapable of feeling such art. Even white females love lotr
>the increase of browns on the internet
An underrated contributing factor to nearly every negative trend. I won't pretend the Internet was ever this high intellectual thing, but the average IQ on any given forum in the 90s vs any board or subreddit today is a huge fricking gap.
Obviously. That and millennial irony-poisoning are such severe hindrances, it's crazy.
This.
Isn't it funny how mommy issues manchildren jack off sterile looking snoozefests like Kurosawa, Lean and Kubrick flicks but get their shrively brains blown out by some dated VFX in an actual epic?
Anons have built their self image and loves around the idea of being not-normie, which is itself a coping mechanism to let them reframe things like loneliness and social rejection/isolation as a conscious choice and not a hell inflicted upon them because of how strange they are. You can safely discard anything they say because it's ultimately hollow and inauthentic, just a flimsy attempt to make sure they're never aligned with the masses.
Love it or hate it, it's the last masterpiece of white society.
greatest trilogy of all time
absolutely exceptional composition for each film individually
the music is top notch
the heart of the film being brotherhood and self sacrifice is timeless
glorious wideshots: the morning sam and frodo leave with gandolf with the purple blue sunrise, aragorn standing on weathertop before he goes scouting, faramir when he tells frodo to come look at the forbidden pool - all magnificient
the action sequences are excellent
dialogue is beautiful and touching
there is nothing and will never been anything in cinema that meets the trilogy at eye level
it is the greatest work of human achievement and is only surpassed by the glory of Gods creation itself
they're okay action slop if you haven't read the books beforehand.
gay
sorry to hear that, hope you get better.
kindergarten tier response
well do come back when you're over 18 then.
>more no u
Just frick off.
sorry that you're so mentally delicate that these messages cause you such unbearable anguish.
Go on, keep rambling.
If only they could have adapted The Children of Hurin as well, it feels like much more of a self contained story that would work very well for a movie. But too late now of course and i don't want the current industry to touch it
Jackson doesnt have the right outlook for Hurin tho. Hes a much lighter director than the material requires.
Lynch would be perfect.
Lynch is incapable of making non-PoMo films and Epics. Look at Dune.
>inb4 dune is le good actually!!!! lol!!!!!!!
kys
For sure you're right, it needs to be much more of a classic epic, which is the parts of lotr he failed more with
>IT'S A CLEAN SWEEP!
100% deserved
>"friend" says he didn't like LOTR
>ask why
>nah i dont like medieval shit
I only like fellowship of the ring. The others don't scratch that adventure itch for me.
LOTR and Barbie are unironically equally shit. Sincerely, a non moviegoer