How Marvel Studios Is Quietly Retooling Amid Superhero Fatigue

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-fantastic-four-avengers-movies-1235830951/

TL;DR

>Eric Pearson (“Thor: Ragnarok”, “Black Widow”) is polishing the Fantastic Four script.
>Joanna Calo (FX’s “The Bear”) is polishing the Thunderbolts script.
>Blade will probably move to 2026 to avoid releasing four Marvel movies in one year.
>Agatha is testing well internally and only needed one day’s worth of reshoots.
>TV projects will now have showrunners following production trouble during Secret Invasion.
>Avengers 5 will no longer be called “The Kang Dynasty” and they are minimizing Kang’s role.
>Bob Iger admits that forcing Marvel to provide year-round content for Disney+ was a mistake.

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They won't learn shit. This piece of news is just a ruse

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they'll realize "superhero" isn't a movie genre and mix it up a bit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. It looks like they’re still making origin movies.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't give a shit about the MCU but I like this image a lot
      Wade and Reed just hanging out, being buddies. Unlikely, but still fun.

      spbp

      How to fight superhero fatigue:
      make things that aren't shit

      Also this. But execs would rather blame a fake sense of fatigue than admit their movies blow.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Eric Pearson (“Thor: Ragnarok”, “Black Widow”) is polishing the Fantastic Four script.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>Eric Pearson (“Thor: Ragnarok”, “Black Widow”) is polishing the Fantastic Four script.
      It's fricked

      He also worked on Ant-Man, Spider-Man: Homecoming, Avengers: Infinity War, Avengers: Endgame, Agent Carter and all the Marvel One-Shots.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        All dogshit.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Great so if we're lucky and every one works really hard we might reach a level of absolute mediocrity.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Joanna Calo [...] The Bear
    what's she adding, laughs or le ebin heckin rush
    CORNER HOT

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>Eric Pearson (“Thor: Ragnarok”, “Black Widow”) is polishing the Fantastic Four script.
    It's fricked

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care about any of those when's Carol's next movie

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Marvel is so fricked now that a trade article based on Disney leaks, and therefore giving the news Disney wanted us to hear, can't muster up more good news than "a lot of people watch Super Bowl commercials during the Super Bowl" and "they finally announced a cast for the Fantastic Four movie after 937 different people turned it down."

    Nothing is coming along to make me change my "Wanda put a witch's curse on the franchise" view. Everything has been downhill since Doctor Strange 2's plot leak turned out to be real.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >after 937 different people turned it down

      It's posts like this that evidence how little Cinemaphile knows about how Hollywood works.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've lost count of how many times I've seen you post a variation of this same comment, and each time the urge to kick your teeth in grows stronger.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I've lost count of how many times I've seen you post a variation of this same comment, and each time the urge to kick your teeth in grows stronger.

        Because of the repetitiveness, the repetitiveness, the slur on Doctor Strange 2's honor, or the repetitiveness?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's long past time for you to just give up and accept he's right. 2022 was the year the MCU wrecked itself with a series of stupid, easily avoidable mistakes that drove audiences away, and it started there.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly one of their biggest problems as a franchise is including perfect costumes like this just to make fun of them. That’s honestly looks so much better than any of the other costumes Wanda has had.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything has been downhill since Doctor Strange 2's plot leak turned out to be real.

      Don't care about leaks.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Pushing back Blade again

    They cast Ali in 2019. He was 45 then, already nearly a decade older than Snipes was when Blade came out. By the time this movie comes out (assuming it's not pushed back yet again) Ali will be 52. Just fricking scrap it already, you're approaching Rock-cast-as-black-Adam-15-years-before-the-movie-released levels of production hell. There's no way the movie will be good and ,even if it is, there's no way you'll be able to keep Ali as Blade afterwards.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a problem for them because they don't want a Blade movie, they want a Blade's daughter movie.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blade actor could be mid 50s if the movie ever comes out
      >Reed could be mid 50s when the movie comes out
      What I’m gods name are they thinking with this shit?

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If they were retooling they wouldn’t have cast a 50 year old Chilean dude with a moronic accent as Reed Richards. FF was the only MCU project I’ve had interest in since endgame. I haven’t watched a single movie or tv show since then. It was their last chance frankly cause I have zero interest in anything else now.

    Recast Reed before filming or frick off.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like a personal problem

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, all my hype sank with that casting news

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, all my hype sank with that casting news

      is it for their dumb inclusion standards that they can't even have a white family?
      I figured if they'd rip hickman's thanos armour and black order design they'd do other things in line with his work. pascal is a bad casting choice
      itll be dogshit

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a white family?
        But the Ant-man movies are about a white family. Tony Stark had a white family. Hawkeye has a white family. Weird tree to bark up.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Tony Stark had a white family
          For all of like 6 minutes of screen time.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah pascal is so bad for Reed. And not even like a “r-remember what people said about ledger as joker when he as first cast” but like genuinely can’t act. Might as well wear a sombrero the entire time.

      Though the ugly wooden plank they cast as Susan isn’t any better.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not superhero fatigue. It's the fact that Disney were producing nothing but bad movies and movies that require them to watch a Disney+ show to know what's going on.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      When 6 out of the 8 capeshit films from last year bomb, how can you still say there's no superhero fatigue?
      Remember when dogshit like Venom could gross nearly 900 million? Those days are over.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but I think it's being a little bit too charitable to attribute the recent MCU failures to superhero fatigue. They're just garbage films, and they've been garbage films for years now. If the movies were good people would watch them, but they aren't, and they haven't been in a while. People aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of crap. Superhero fatigue sounds like the kind of thing a Disney board member would put on a powerpoint to make excuses for why nobody's watching their terrible product. It's not their fault, it's just that the market's saturated! Please.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The difference is that only a few years ago, the MCU movies were guaranteed a certain level of success no matter what. That's over now. People have been burned and bored too many times and it takes a lot more to get them interested. (The contrast between the two Carol Danvers movies is the most famous. The Marvels was not that bad and the first movie was not that good, the first movie was released when anything Marvel was huge and the second was released at the height of Marvel burnout.)

          Their other problem, which the Hollywood Reporter article mentions and has been mentioned by at least one other insider, is that within Marvel/Disney they thought Quantumania was a good movie that would be a big hit. If they believed that then they've lost touch with the audience, and that's hard to fix.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If the movies were good people would watch them,
          Quality doesn’t effect opening weekend box office.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            It gives them legs tho

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        People care about Venom. They don't care about
        Ant-man,Madame Webb, Captain Marvel, Blue Beetle, or whatever D-listers.
        The fact that an animated Spider-man movie could be number 1 at the box office for weeks last year says that people just want franchises they know and like.
        You could make another RDJ Iron Man movie next year and make a ton of money. Because people know and like RDJ as Iron Man.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ant-man
          Had enough goodwill from previous movies and past MCU appearances that actually had a chance to do better than the previous two movies and pull a hit, problem was that the movie was so fricking bad it killed its chances. Even its box office is not really bad, shit was way over budget that it had not chance of making profit, compared to the previous Ant-Man movies that actually had a reasonable budget and did good.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Captain Marvel is the best and made more than Venom.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >People care about Venom.
          Then why did the sequel make significantly less money?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            It actually did really well considering Covid was still rampant. Altough the fact that NWH was just two months away and hype was high as hell defeniitely played a big part on it's success.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What will they do when the superhero charade fully collapses?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It never will.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    is testing well internally and only needed one day’s worth of reshoots.

    These idiots tested Antman internally and thought it was going to be a massive hit. Shit testing well internally means fricking nothing when you don't know what your audience wants.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Agatha is testing well internally and only needed one day’s worth of reshoots.
      Who gives a shit if it's testing well internally? That's just execs saying it's good. You need regular people to like that shit.

      Internal testing includes audience sampling.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    stop making an Extended Universe. Give each series to auteur directors and let them each explore one specific character or team, completely disconnected from the others. Avengers movies should be similar to the first one where half the runtime is just getting all the heroes to the same place.
    Marvel died when they started actually answering the annoying nerds who asked "where was Iron Man when this was happening???"

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Marvel died when they started actually answering the annoying nerds who asked "where was Iron Man when this was happening???"
      At least after End Game the answer is always "still dead"

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Blade will probably move to 2026 to avoid releasing four Marvel movies in one year.

    Only thing I care about.

    >Agatha is testing well internally and only needed one day’s worth of reshoots.

    Sounds like another Quantumania about to drop.

    >TV projects will now have showrunners following production trouble during Secret Invasion.

    Probably won't help.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How to fight superhero fatigue:
    make things that aren't shit

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Agatha is testing well internally and only needed one day’s worth of reshoots.
    Who gives a shit if it's testing well internally? That's just execs saying it's good. You need regular people to like that shit.

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