How much different would Avatar have been if Aang had snapped after seeing his tribe wiped out and decided go go on a bloodthirsty revenge quest, attempting to genocide the entire fire nation until there are none left because an eye for an eye? Like Pelinal Whitestrake from the Elder Scrolls games.
Zuko probably would've gotten killed on the first outing, which would've probably taken Iroh out of the story entirely. Aang might've never mastered firebending as a result. Azula would've also probably died pretty soon after she appeared, and so much of the rest of the obstacles of the show wouldn't have shown up.
He probably would've had a lot of trouble once he actually got to the fire kingdom then, because Aang got a lot done due to how much of a low profile he tried to keep. But if he's on a rampage, the fire kingdom probably would've sent their entire might after him instead of just a handful of teams like in the show.
to add on to this, if Aang was a killer he probably wouldn't have gotten most of his teachers. Toph might have put up with some aggression towards the Fire Nation but that's up in the air and she would not work with him if he threatened her, most fire benders would avoid/run from him, and Katara would probably run away from him as well after a point; Lion turtles would be unlikely to cooperate as well. Also, his past lives would turn against him as well, hard to imagine all the previous Avatars being OK with mass genocide not to mention the monk would taught him how to control the Avatar state.
Without proper training there would be a good chance that comet powered Ozia could land a killing blow if he strikes first. Not only that but if Aang killed Ozia after killing Zuko and Azula he would be seen as menace by the Fire Nation and the royal family would be martyrs, likely causing the nation to rally behind an effort to kill him. The Earth kingdom would be happy at first but the top brass would be afraid they would be next and start plotting against him as well and the water tribe would have similar notions.
Aangs pacifism is what allowed him to get the help he needed along the way and helped turn key members of multiple nations to his side,
Aang learned earthbending by himself
homie what?
Do you have anything to back that up?
Toph literally had to poke and prod him just to get him to move a boulder; we got an entire episode devoted to Toph pushing him to to change his attitude in order to be able to move earth and Aang himself commented on how he couldn't have done it without her help since the mentality needed to be an earth bender was the polar opposite of air bending and went against everything he had been taught about bending up to that point.
Go look up up episode "bitter work" since you clearly didn't watch the show.
Wouldn't that mean that in this scenario, Aang would have no trouble earthbending?
>hard to imagine all the previous Avatars being OK with mass genocide
Kyoshi might be
No I doubt even she would be ok with indiscriminate genocide.
nah, she was brutal but if you look at her history she actually took aggressive steps to avoid war. Kyoshi island exists because she separated from the continent just to stop a Earth kings invasion and she created the Dai Li just to keep the peace by any means necessary.
If it was Kyoshi instead of Aang she would take out Ozia and then put Zuko on the throne since he would be easier to keep in line then put her personal guard in his palace to keep an eye on him.
No, because killing all firebenders would destroy the balance of the world she fought to protect, and could even break the Avatar cycle.
Oh and if Zuko is killed by Aang, then Aang can never be taught lighting redirection, which only Zuko and Iroh know.
So Ozai would probably kill Aang just with a lighting strike, assuming Aang went in for a fair fight and didn't just snipe him from a distance.
Nah. Past lives would have been neutral to Aang if not outright supportive of his actions. Katara would have stayed with him but her influence on her would have amplified his darker aspects(cruelty, willingness to hold a grudge). Good thing: Jet probably wouldn't have died, and probably would have been a travelling companion or at least supporting side character in this interpretation. Not sure if Aang would have supported the Dai Li or not. For all their authoritarianism they didn't really have much offensive capability for launching an invasion of the fire nation or interest in liberating the rest of the earth kingdom
>Past lives would have been neutral to Aang if not outright supportive of his actions
Are you seriously saying that the Fire Nation avatars would support Aang murdering literally all of their people?
Or the Air Nation avatars supporting Aang betraying their morality in favor of vengeance?
Moreover the whole purpose of the avatar is to keep balance, why would any avatar support the destruction of one of the nations?
Because the fire nation exclusively was responsible for upsetting the balance. Aang was just taking corrective action
I don't think eliminating two angles will restore a square.
Not with that attitude it doesn’t!
Is it just me or they were afraid the firelord would become a deity. the gods didn't care for humans but they were afraid of free will
That Aang is being ruled by his emotions, and so probably would have gotten his face stolen.
>gods are afraid of humans
>avatars exist to destroy threats
>there are failsafes if the avatar gets out of control
gods were the bad guys all along. avatar is literally matrix
FACESTEALER KOH CHEATED OUT OF FACE WITH THIS ONE TRICK
Reminder Facestealer Koh is now free to roam the real world and this is considered a happy ending
>Reminder Facestealer Koh is now free to roam the real world and this is considered a happy ending
DESU, I personally think that Facestealer Koh is released into the real world by Azula as part of her plan to pacify Aang and Zuko. And that Aang, with the Mother of Faces, puts down Koh for good after he goes dark like Zuko and Ursa work together to defeat Azula for good.
And before you say my HC is ass, Aang did kill a sprit in the comics. Also, see picrel.
I never read the comics but question, why didn’t Aang energybend her before they took her along on a ride? Surely while she never killed anyone her intentions are more than worth the sentence
>I never read the comics but question, why didn’t Aang energybend her before they took her along on a ride? Surely while she never killed anyone her intentions are more than worth the sentence
They never gave a direct answer, but a LoK comic implies that Aang would never de-bend a child. So imo, I think Aang didn't de-bend her since she managed to be incapacitated (thanks to Katara) and discredited (her behavior as Fire Lord apparent) without being de-bended like Ozai.
Because then the plot would last like five minutes and Ursa's fate was the only interesting one out of all of them, the rest are just memes
>Zuko getting cucked by someone who looks like a minecraft youtuber then heavily implies he cucks his buddy
>Mai being a drama queen
>Aang going from not kiling Ozai to try and kill his best buddy while also risking FN citizens lives
>Ty-Lee hating Azula from the start
>a modern-ass looking forklift
>muslims
>Ursa being the most selfish person ever
>Azula being a moron
I mean, he's kind-off right seeing that Gyatso whom was the only guy that was worth something was found surrounded by FN soldiers corpses, putting his students lives above shitty morals, the comic gay wont stop jerking off to muh Azula is free and it's his fault but the whole Ozai loyalists conflict happened thanks to him (not that it matters so much, group got dismantled because Azula cant pass 5 minutes without jerking off to her brother and she knew the idiot would likely get himself killed)
>>Ty-Lee hating Azula from the start
Wait, was there anything that implied that Ty Lee, or Mai, ever liked Azula in the first place?
They were clearly friends when they were younger, the time they had at Ember Island showed that both Ty Lee and Mai are comfortable enough with her to let their masks slip; Ty Lee drops the bubbly girl routine and we know that Mai acts completely differently around her parents and nobles than she does around Azula despite her being royalty. The one catch is that they are both afraid of Azula whereas that's not the case with Zuko so they the two of them are closer to him.
Azula was a always a brat but it's shown she went further off the deep end as the years went on, it got bad first after Ursa ran away and then worse after Zuko was banished and she was left alone with Ozia. Azula's relationship with Ty and Mai is like that of the head cheerleader with the rest of her squad; friendly but with a threatening undertone.
>Azula was a always a brat but it's shown she went further off the deep end as the years went on, it got bad first after Ursa ran away and then worse after Zuko was banished and she was left alone with Ozia. Azula's relationship with Ty and Mai is like that of the head cheerleader with the rest of her squad; friendly but with a threatening undertone.
LOL! For all the problems that the TTRPG has, even it says that they were non-ironic best friend who got aliented by Azula trying harder and harder to be the heir Ozai desired her to be.
wait... are you disagreeing with what I posted or agreeing? that pic you posted backs up everything I said.
>wait... are you disagreeing with what I posted or agreeing? that pic you posted backs up everything I said.
Agreeing.
Ty-Lee's relationship with Azula is fear but combined with genuine admiration and compliments, understand that their relationship is now broken but on the comics she practically only exists to seethe about Azula, or the writers only give her relevance for that.
In the flashbacks in Zuko Alone, it makes a lot more sense that they are childhood friends. And Azula was probably a lot less evil back then and childhood friendships are weird so they probably did like eachother.
Mai didn't care much about Azula, she doesn't really care about anything. She wasn't even phased when her baby brother was 'kidnapped'.
She only joined Azula for a cheap thrill.
Ti-Lee seems to genuinely enjoy Azula's company at least some of the time.
But Azula indirectly threatened her life and forced her to join her team. So there's a lot of bad blood there.
if you want a explanation based on the original lore it's because it was very risky, the Lion Turtle states that chi bending is a battle of will power. Remember when Aang de-bent Ozia? He had to stake his will against that of Ozia's and if he lost Aang would be the one to lose his bending.
This was prior to LOK where it turned in to just a thump twist to the forehead.
Azula has a very strong will even if she is a psycho and Aang likely only managed with Ozia because of the strength of his convictions to not kill with the alternative being his death or Ozia's and the lives of at least 50% of the planet at stake, he didn't have that degree of motivation with Azula to spur his will. Azula was not a threat on the same level and at that moment somewhat under control with the mission partial resting on her cooperation, trying to de-bend her would not only make her uncooperative it would also be a gamble with his bending as well; even if the odds were in his favor it was still an unnecessary risk.
That's a good point. Ozai almost took away his bending, so he would basically never want to risk spirit bending again.
Because Azula without her throne or popular support is basically just a terrorist. Not a big deal.
That solely depends if we're taking in Korra's retcon or nah
That's what Aang tells himself every night
I like to pretend Korra doesn't exist.
While most of its problems are more to do with how it had little budget and only a few writers, or how they were producing sometimes over 20 episodes at the same time, there's a lot of shit which are just terrible retcons of the series and lore which are no one's fault other than Brykes.
Like the whole setting being that ridiculously modernized was terrible.
The various retcons
The 'dark avatar'
The new explanation of what the avatar is, which was awful
Doomguy would be proud.
Do you think Sokka and Katara would've still helped him?
Sokka's whole rationale for the trip was to "bash some Fire Nation skulls.
Even then, he's more mature, and would probably try to talk Aang into "why not leave some alive but kill most of them?" Now Aang would likely agree to that, since he's supposed to restore balance to the world and had Fire Nation friends.
But if he didn't, Sokka would feel really uneasy about helping him, but may stick around until he gets the idea that Aang is not going to see reason.
Katara would be super against the idea of killing the Fire Nation, but her emotionality about the death of her mom could get her to support Aang's quest. but once she sees Aang kill innocent Fire Nation people, she would become Aang's enemy.
Katara was pussied out to even kill the rando that killed her mother despite Zuko being reasonable and not pressuring her
Eren?
nah, he only becomes eren in the zutaran timeline
Probably pretty different and a lot more generic and boring. I swear Cinemaphile has the worst ideals
Would Roku have still helped him? Or would Aang just see him as fire nation scum too?
Forgiveness and redemption were major themes in this show, so that would have ruined it.
Because the gods wanted a benevalent figure. if he had killed, the gods would have further tarnished their reputation. no one remembers that in avatar society was almost godless. until aang made people worship the gods again.
>Aang is standing over Ozai.
>Ozai is bloody, broken, and dying.
>Ozai looks up into the eyes of his killer.
>He laughs. A rattling, derisive, throaty laugh.
>"It's just like I said, Airbender. Your people were too weak to survive in my world.
>You only survived because you became me."
Zuko survives their first encounter since Aang didn't know yet. This means Zhao is able to find out from Zuko that Aang is alive. Aang then kills Zuko when they next meet on Kyoshi Island. Later on he's captured by the archers, but has no Blue Spirit to break him out. Zhao likely considers this new deadly Aang too dangerous to be kept alive.
A pointlessly edgy story like that would probably have a pointlessly edgy conclusion, like Katara bloodbending him to stop his genocide.
Aang became a false prophet at the end of the series. Ozai didn't do anything wrong
That would just be sad.
It wouldn't have been as good.
Sokka would convince aang not to kill the entire fire nation, but only 80 percent of it.
then, in the final scene, aang would wish that katara would love him, for 10 years at least.
I think this is plausible but more likely I think it’d result in Ozai succeeding in combining all benders and non-benders into one spirit world entity thus restarting the human race as aang jerk offs to kataras comatose body.
He'd realize that he could simply kill anyone that would be willing to destroy the peace and balance of the world.
He'd kill anyone that would step out of line, that doesnt fit his idea of peace. Benders would band together to destroy the Avatar, but they can't because he has essentially become a god.
An Evil god...
The Dark Avatar.
Have they done a evil avatar before? Someone in the lineage who is just a butthole and uses his position for personal enjoyment/power?
Korra
>Have they done a evil avatar before? Someone in the lineage who is just a butthole and uses his position for personal enjoyment/power?
No, and Korra makes it impossible for their to be an evil (light) Avatar since the Avatar is the fusion of Wan's sprit with the sprit of light and peace.
>Have they done a evil avatar before?
Unalaq says hi
God dont remind me.
If he is alone, he is death however if he is smart he may find allies in the Water Tribe and Earth Kingdom that help him in his genocide crusade.
I speculate that team Avatar would be something like this:
>Sokka has to die this would help Katara to fully snap and be on board with the hole genocide the Fire Nation thing
>Jet replaces Sokka as the new group tactician
>Jet would also help to find an earth bender master for Aang, they could be a mercenary or someone with a lot of hatred for the Fire Nation
> Toph is out, i don’t think she would be interested in helping the avatar to commit genocide
>Aang would also need to conquer Ba Sing Se to gain military power and also form an alliance with the Northern Water Tribe
the problem with that plan is that the water and earth ruling class would only go along with that plan as long they could maintain control over Aang and you can be damn sure they would do underhanded shit to get that control; remember how when the Earth Kingdom general pretend to kill Sokka and Katara just to get Aang to activate the avatar state? That was just a crude first attempt, the Dai Lee could come up with something more effective and subtle at the same time.
It wouldn't be long until they got leverage on Aang or pissed him off in the process turning the relationship hostile.
I wouldn't mind an R rated Avatar series in the future, don't think it would benefit from being this edgy though.
>that chin
Meh.
Avatar would be a lot worse off if it had the main characters actually kill people.
I mean a good moment would be like when Mai saves Zuko from being boiled alive by stopping the guards from cutting the gondola cable.
In the show as it exists, (where she just pins the guards to the wall) that is a noble action and one which makes us like Mai's character.
If Mai had killed like seven guards just to save her ex boyfriend, she would look like a fricking freak. It would make her less relatable and more evil.
If she did it instead to save her uncle, who was also on the gondola, then that could pass by the audience, but not for Zuko.
Would we really like Sokka as a relatable, funny character if we see him brutally fricking club a man to death?
Would Aang still feel like a normal kid if we saw him kill people outside of the Avatar state?
I know there are places where it can be presumed that the characters likely kill, but I'm referring to an explicit death scene.
Honestly if Avatar had killing, the show would probably end up a lot worse.
Avatar is a character driven show, and while it might make the plot make more sense if there was killing, it would make the characters less relatable and likeable, which would be a vast detriment
>Avatar would be a lot worse off if it had the main characters actually kill people.
Azula actually killed Aang and most people who agree that her murder of Aang is one of the better parts of S2.
True.
But Aang doesn't actually die, and Azula is already a villain. So her character isn't harmed by killing, as she's already unlikable.
(she's likeable as a character for coolness factor and whatnot, and being a good villain, but not likeable as a person)
Ok, so it means that Avatar was not made worse off by having one of its main characters actually kill people.
Also, imo, I think Avatar suffered from its villains not killing enough people on screen. Like seeing Ozai, Azula, and grunts burn and/or maim people, even if it is just implied or off-screen, who would done wonders highlighting the Fire Nation brutality as well making it easier for the audience to understand the Gaang's hate of the Fire Nation and setting up more seeds for the Fire Nationals', who end up defecting, defections
Yeah fair.
It wouldn't hurt if the bad guys killed people, or hell, even if nameless soldiers on the good side killed people.
It's just that I'm skeptical that any studio could use that restraint to only those situations and not just turn the whole series into a gore fest and death carnival.
But the lack of killing doesn't harm the show much still.
Really the only big way the show is harmed by it being made for kids is how it can't go into depth the implications of the Air Nomads being genocided
That's because it never happened anon (it should have tho)
Am pretty sure the FN soldiers whom got flung off the Northern Air Temples are 100% dead
Yeah, and there are more examples where the faceless baddies are just for sure dead. (though it's never said explicitly)
Those instances are mostly just brushed over and left with at least some plausible deniability that the soldiers just got really injured and didn't die.
It wouldn't even be Avatar at that point.
Aang never learned anything. all he did was help improve the image of the gods.
Pretty different
sure but if he snapped and become a genocidal monster than I'm not sure anyone else would help him or teach him so pretty sure the Fire Nation would be able to kill him even if he takes out a fleet or two in the process
I would be a typical xianxia. A boring story and was done one trillion times.
That would have made it watchable.
Does anyone think the FN got off scot-free, especially with the decolonization efforts of the early FN colonies?
Yeah basically.
Nations which do terrible things tend to get off free though.
Germany obviously started WW2 killed 11 million people in genocide campaigns (i've even heard some people say it was 17 million 11 million non israelites + 6 million israelites) and just a bunch of fricked up shit, and they got off.
Japan did shit almost as bad as Germany in WW2 and no revenge was embarked upon them.
The British empire was one of the most deadly nations in the world, vanished peacefully with no trials or repairations for the past imperialism
The FN are the ubermensch of their universe no matter how much the homietar copes
I think I prefer Korra over the edgy nightmare Cinemaphile would turn Avatar into if it had the chance.
even outside of edginess, I think 99% of everyone here wouldn't even be able to make a show as good as Korra, let alone Avatar
pfft nah Cinemaphile would just add tons of incest
Wait, lots of incest, edginess...
/co/'s avatar is just Game of Thrones
White lotus would have to step in and put him down