How much would you give for a new Discworld animated series?

It's true.

Me too. Detritus is one of the best characters. Helluva character arc.

>If I just pretend it wasn't proclaimed as a glorious victory of rational science then I can pretend it wasn't
Lobotomies, Lysenkoism, Thalidomide, Slavery (Which ended because of the conservative position of common law arguing from historic precident; can you get more conservative than that?)

Go buy a bag of dicks, sit down and calmly suck every last one to completion. You know I'm right you fricking homosexual.

What was the argument that ended slavery? Name it for me. Describe the exact process by which slavery was killed off. Go on. Or are you going to continue ignoring every question asked of you while doing the 100 meter sprint with that goal post over your shoulder?

>Most of the world just agreed that it was inhumane and banned slavery.
Hah, look at this fricking American and his education.
Slavery ended because the British courts accepted James Manfields argument that the ruling of the Eleventh of Elizabeth (1569) and William the Conquerors ban on Slavery were legitimate historic precedent and the air of England was too pure for a slave to breath and that Slavery, under the British Common Law System was effectively illegal and always had been. In response to this the Crown basically bought and immediately freed every slave in the Empire (Not, you might note, pulled a Hati and murdered the slave owners or anything like that)
Then they proceeded to spend 60 years blockading the entirety of Africa, which cost 20 thousand sailors lives and so much money that tax payers were still paying it off in 2012.

Slavery didn't die off because everyone decided it was gay, it was murdered by the British based on an individualistic idealism that was grounded in the history of the nation, a completely irrational, romantic view of what the right thing to do was based in traditions so old they were carved in stone.
Meanwhile where did Slavery come from?
>Oh what wonderful people these Africans are, we should take on some of their customs like owning Blacks.
Stick it in your pipe and inhale deep.

>Hur hurhur am winurr because slavery old
What is Cattle Slavery for $400 Alex. You're not a clown, you're the entire circus. Hop the frick along.

>misspelling chattel slavery
You beefed it, anon.

>Everything that is good is associated with my side
>Everything that is bad is associated with those I disagree with
>If anyone on my side were ever to do anything bad they would no longer be on my side
>If anyone on the opposing side does something good they suddenly were always on my side all along
>If something I have done is seen by the majority as bad I will pretend I never did it
>If evidence is shown I did in fact do the bad thing I will pretend I was on the opposing side the entire time

It's amazing how I'm never ever wrong!

Vimes was never meant to be the protagonist, he was just popular enough that he became the protagonist in later books. Carrot was the protagonist.

That cartoon pitch in your screencap sounds neat.
Normal human man with a non-human wife sounds like something people around here would eat right up too.

Well shit son that's a good point-
Oh wait, there's one right there in the image I posted.
>Terminator: An entire series about how living for the community and the future rather than yourself is the highest ideal anyone can hope to reach for which shows Sarah as just as competent as any man.
And for the record, I wasn't listing so you could hit every one. I was listing so you could hit literally any single one mentioned. I'm not loading you down, I'm giving you options, I'm that confident that you can't find something that breaks the sacred tenants.
Go on, do it.

To add to this, you want to know what a progressive sounds like in Discworld?
>Swing, though, started in the wrong place. He didn't look around, and watch and learn, and then say, 'This is how people are, how do we deal with it?' No, he sat and thought: This is how the people ought to be, how do we change them?' And that was a good enough thought for a priest but not for a copper, because Swing's patient, pedantic way of operating had turned policing on its head. There had been that Weapons Law, for a start. Weapons were involved in so many crimes that, Swing reasoned, reducing the number of weapons had to reduce the crime rate. Vimes wondered if he'd sat up in bed in the middle of the night and hugged himself when he'd dreamed that one up. Confiscate all weapons, and crime would go down. It made sense. It would have worked, too, if only there had been enough coppers - say, three per citizen. Amazingly, quite a few weapons were handed in. The flaw, though, was one that had somehow managed to escape Swing, and it was this: criminals don't obey the law. It's more or less a requirement for the job. They had no particular interest in making the streets safer for anyone except themselves. And they couldn't believe what was happening. It was like Hogswatch every day.

[...]
Name a time then, go on, I'll wai-
>Regressive
Ah you're one of those people that thinks it's Progressive or Regressive. Nevermind.

Oh naturally, but he was what 'Woke' should be rather than what it is.
Liberalism says 'You know maybe people should be able to make their own decisions rather than being subject to the whims of tyrants'
Woke says 'I'm very upset about the fact that I am not the tyrant in charge and will stomp my feet and scream until Daddy (who I hate) gives me what I want'

Being critical of norms isn't inherently evil, nor is adhering to them. Want to see a moment when Pratchett proves he's not and never was a prog?
Fifth Elephant: Albrecht Albrechtson, in any progressive series this hardline dwarvish turbo-conservative would basically be a trump meme who is secretly behind everything and given all the depth and texture of a sheet of toilet paper.
Meanwhile let's see what Pratchett has to say about him:
>You have been labouring under a misapprehension; I reckon. You think that because Albrecht dislikes Ankh-Morpork and has... old fashioned ideas, he is a bad dwarf. But I have known him for two hundred years. He is honest and honourable... more so than me, that I'm sure of. Five hundred years ago he would have made a fine king. Today, perhaps not. Perhaps... hah... the axe of my ancestors needs a different handle. But now I am King and he accepts that with all his heart because if he did not, he'd think he wasn't a dwarf, see? Of course he will now oppose me at every turn. Being Low King was never an easy job. But, to use one of your metaphors, we are all floating in the same boat
Does that sound like anything that any progolodyte would ever say about the other side even unto the heat death of the universe?
The simple way to put it is: The liberal thinks the person that disagrees with them is wrong and negotiates with them based on that, the progressive thinks the person that disagrees with them is evil and judges them based on that. Pratchett fell into the former and never the latter.

Oh and if you think /misc/ has rotted my brain, let's see:
>Name a piece of progressive media that has a working class character as the protagonist.
>Name a piece where a group suffering oppression/minority is shown in a negative light or as a villain (Carcer in the new show that's coming out, am I right lads?)
>Name a piece where a revolution is shown to fail in all its brutality and all the damage it does to the common folk
>Name a piece where a minority gets its freedom and then explicitly states it's not going to go for revenge but instead work on freeing itself through non-violent means and working within the system
>Name a piece where a conservative figure is shown to be simply wrong rather than Evil.
>Name a piece where men are shown to be just as nasty, thuggish and cruel as men
Shit you want a really good one?
>Name a piece where the idle rich of the upper class are shown as moral busy bodies who are completely out of touch with those they sneer down their noses to
Go on, I'll wait, I'll sit here and twiddle my thumbs until the heat death of the sun because I know you can't name a single fricking one while in order those are:
>Watch series
>Small Gods & Jingo respectively
>Night Watch
>Feet of Clay
>Fifth Elephant (Again)
>Monstrous Regiment
>Interesting Times, The Truth, pick one
Your turn.
Prove me wrong everyone, I'd love to hear it.

This anon actually understands Pratchett for what he was - a man who wanted people to be able to live their lives but was fully aware of the power systems in place. One of the most common ideas in his works was Making Your Own Choice, stretching from Carrot choosing to be a guard rather than being the king that destiny wanted from him, to girls in monsterous regiment fighting for their nation, to Brudda in small gods deciding that despite believing in Ohm, he didn't believe in Ohminism. You can call him whatever you want, as long as you came up with it yourself. Terry would have liked that

Close enough I suppose.

Pratchett was too enlightened for these morons.

Gaiman is an even more fun example of people just not getting it, because with him you get young trans people hating him for being a transphobe because of Wanda's storyline in Sandman AND you get transphobes cheering him on for the story, with him politely telling both sides to please reread the story because they didn't fricking get it. When that silly comicgate thing tried to happen there were even moronic casualgaters who thought he'd be on their side. And in basically every thread on here that mentions Gaiman you get some casual going "oh it sucks that he went woke lately!", as if they've actually read anything older by him and didn't just see a thread about the casting of the Sandman show.

They might be pro-baby kidnapping. I like being exposed to different viewpoints.

>She didn't come to that conclusion by realizing Eskarina was, in fact, a boy.
I dunno.
Eskarina did have a big hard staff
I liked her more than Tiffany Aching

Possibly, I think in Carpe Jugulum, Weatherwax mightve come to the conclusion that the Omnian missionary, Mightily Oats, was operating in a fairly witch-like way.

Geoffrey in the Shephard's Crown. They basically resurrect an old job title for him, Peacemaker or something, but he is indeed in effect a male witch, with all the training that came with it and a familiar of his own.
The Shephard's Crown should be considered a Pratchett book with an asterisk though (well, one more asterisk, eh?). It was finished as best as possible after Pratchett's death, but it's no secret that the book was not remotely in its final form. There were things Pratchett probably would've done differently had he time to do some revisions and rewrites. Damn it.

Peaceweaver.
See "Warlock" was a term used with contempt in the books, "wannabe" witches.
So you twist "War-lock" around and get "Peace-weaver." Male witch, but without the disparaging connotations that Pratchett had already established with Warlock.

Snuff was also either finished by someone else or ghost written. Had all the hallmarks of an author writing someone else's characters.

Plus it really stood out when the writer used a swearword Pratchett never used.

Anon he had fricking dementia. In a very real sense he was a different person when he narrated those later books to his assistant.
But they were still his books

Other cultures were implied to have shamens who served a witch's role in the ramtop-morporkian sphere, too. The witches dealt with this by ignoring it viciously, which is pretty appropriate.

Found the old lady twitter terf.

Not the person you're replying to, but who's Ponthinus?
Looking him up, I get redirected to Pontius Pilate, who doesn't seem to be within the pattern of the others on the list.

So are you going to show everyone that I'm wrong, or is your calling me a terf enough to discredit me?

"sometimes it can be more practical within a bigoted culture to lie about one's sex"
The book acknowledges that the family would have a problem with Jackrum returning to her family as a grandmother.
It wasn't even Jackrum's idea to return as a grandfather, but Polly's. Thus telling us that Jackrum doesn't "identify" as a man, but she pretends to be one due to the practical benefits she obtains.

>your cause
It's not my cause. My cause is to laugh at people like you who try to claim dead authors are actually on your side.

Are you fricking kidding me? Jackrum literally lives the rest of his life as a man. He transitioned. The book even switches to using male pronouns to refer to him once he makes that decision.

How does it feel to be such a fricking disingenuous moron?

not only that but one of the main points is that jackrum did it because she was in love with a guy and wanted to be with him. People who read transgenderism into monsterous regiment miss the forest for the trees - the book is about gender roles and how crushing a society can be if they are heavily enforced.

Agreed, although, playing devil's advocate for myself, I seem to remember a sequence in Unseen Academicals that may have had something to do with trans stuff.
I can't remember where in the book the sequence is though.

What media is that, I don't actually know that much about the guy. Other than the alzeimer's, and that he was in a documentary about orangutans.

I think I may have found the sequence that founded my memory. It was based on the whole somewhat interesting dwarf dynamic, where all dwarves are assumed to be male, until it comes to matters of reproduction.

The sequence was about dwarves breaking that taboo and embracing femininity.
I still find that thing abit strange, since I'm not sure why the females of one species would be especially attracted to the way those of another species dress. It seems to be a dynamic that is fairly divorced from anything that exists in our current world.

I suppose, maybe, the hide-your-sex cultural practices of the dwarves are oppressive in some way? But it doesn't really seem that oppressive to me.

>I'm not oppressing anyone when I make their lives miserable over nothing

Cool way to live with being a douchebag.

Anyway, Pratchett first came up with the "all dwarves dress as boys" thing early on, playing off what was a pretty common "you never see girl dwarves" trope at the time, and having a bit of fun with the silly notion that the dating process for dwarves involves very discretely trying to find out if the other dwarf was a boy or a girl.

Where he got into a bit of nuance was with Men at Arms, which dealt with (among other things) the idea of a traditionally masculine workplace. The Watch's culture allowed for girls, just barely, and they weren't meant to ACT like girls. Pratchett took the opportunity to look back on the dwarf culture he'd created and said "actually if having to always act like a macho beer-swilling One Of The Lads is shitty in workplace culture, it must be absolute hell on a society-wide level." He certainly did add more religious elements in time, making it easier to see the Discworld stories as an allegory for dealing with religious fundamentalism, but the starting point was ultimately him going "you know what's shitty? Workplaces that let women do traditionally male jobs, but only if they act like traditional males." That's not the sort of thing that would translate easily to animation, and certainly not something Cinemaphile would accept.

It's better to not have any more adaptations of his books, it's too likely that the adaptors would bite off more than they could chew. Read the books.

>What media is that, I don't actually know that much about the guy. Other than the alzeimer's, and that he was in a documentary about orangutans.
Here's another piece of trivia for your pile then. When he was knighted, he brought his own sword, that he forged himself with metal from a meteorite.

He even namechecked Oblivion in his announcement that he has Alzheimers linked in

>I haven't even read Terry's last works because apparently he went senile or something
He developed posterior cortical atrophy, a rare form of alzheimers that affects people a lot earlier (in their 50s, usually), has a very rapid onset, and affects vision and the parts of the brain that deal with spelling and arithmatic, so things like reading and writing become very difficult quite quickly. Godawful irony.

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/blog/sir-terry-pratchett-a-watershed-moment-for-dementia/

[...]
There were exceptions, Corporal "Mayonaise" Quirke from the Day Watch and (I think, its been ages since I've read it) Lord de Worde from the Truth were more standard racists. Plus there's the whole thing in Jingo, with the mobs, Klatchian's Head pub and Vimes having a quiet word with Colon about calling the Gorriffs ragheads. You're right though, the main crux for me isn't that she's not an older valkyrie of a woman. If her bosom can't rise and fall like an empire what's the point?

>Those of you who’s last experience with computer games was looking at Lara Croft’s buttocks might not be aware of how good they have become as audio and visual experiences, although I would concede that Lara’s buttocks were a visual experience in their own right. But in this case I was travelling through a country that was part of the huge computer game called Oblivion, which is so beautifully detailed that I have often ridden around it to enjoy the scenery and weather and have hardly bothered to kill anything at all.

>At the same time as I began exploring the wonderful Kingdom of Dementia, which is next door to the Kingdom of Mania, I was also experiencing the slightly more realistic experience of being a 59 year old who finds they have early-onset Alzheimer’s. Apparently I reacted to this situation in a reasonably typical way, with a sense of loss and abandonment with an incoherent, or perhaps I should say, violently coherent fury that made the Miltonic Lucifer’s rage against Heaven seem a bit miffed by comparison. That fire still burns.

>dwarves that started coming out as female

Ha'ak.

You have clearly seen the light.

The Fifth Elephant.

>"Not them! The...ones in Ankh-Morpork! Wearing make-up and dresses and...and abominable things!" Dee pointed a finger at Cheery. "Ha'ak! How can you even look at it! You let her," and Vimes had seldom heard a word sprayed with so much venom, "her flaunt herself, here! And it's happening everywhere because people have not been firm, not obeyed, have let the old ways slide! Everywhere there are reports. They're eating away at everything dwarfish with their...their soft clothes and paint and beastly ways. How can you be King and allow this? Everywhere they are doing it and you do nothing! Why should they be allowed to do this?" Now Dee was sobbing. "I can't!"

>I still don't understand what a person gains by "coming out of the closet" as female, in their dwarfish society.

A feeling of being comfortable in her own skin? Not being defined by ancient traditions? The liberating sensation of admitting that she doesn't really like quaffing beer all that much? If a society's traditions demand people act in a very specific way, there's gonna be cultural rebels. And being a dwarf is more like a religion than a race.

And it's likely that the reason human femininity is mapped to human females is very strongly due to culture rather than to individual preference.

So that's what makes it weird to me that Pratchett is suggesting that all these dwarf women just naturally have an in-built preference for all things feminine.
Since they definitely don't have an in-built culture telling dwarf women to be feminine.

Why would only female dwarves be against those traditions? Even among humans, nobody perfectly embodies the ideals of masculine or femininity; so in an environment devoid of social pressure, we would likely deviate even more from those sex stereotypes.
The dwarves are in a position similar to being devoid of sex stereotypes. They have stereotypes, sure, but they aren't based on sex. So if some dwarves are against those stereotypes, it makes more sense to go against them on the basis of obtaining greater generalized liberty. There'd be no reason to bring sex into it.

I'm talking theoretically. If you want it to be cemented in the real world, then-- as social pressure (to perform sex stereotypes) approaches zero, people will deviate more from those sex stereotypes.

Pratchett was too.
There's no way to avoid it.

It's humans rubbing off on them, like Gladys the golem.

Your use of the word "gender" in a bunch of different ways is confusing, but this is pretty much my understanding of what happened.
>Terry ironically was saying girls like doing girly things (which is true)
This is only kind of true in human society (just because girls do girly stuff doesn't mean they like doing girly stuff), and there is no reason for it to be true in dwarf society.
My contention is that, the books treat this all as if its a good thing. There's a lot of unpleasant bullshit with the way humans deal with sex, is all that shit going to rub off on the dwarves too? Sexual discrimination is not possible with dwarves in their society as it was. Now it is possible.

>its been proven cross culturally time and again that men and women have different interests and will frequently fall into similar behavior.

While I do believe it's likely there are some inherent behavior differences between men and women, the research I've seen on the brains seem to suggest there is very little that's different between men and women.
My own theory on what you're observing, is that cultures across time and space often have very similar goals (reproduction, agriculture, military, etc.), and are also all using the same species.
This means that the cultures of the civilizations would frequently obtain the same of certain features. And because men and women are definitely different physiologically, a culture that encourages certain behaviors in men and certain other behaviors in women may find more success than others.
Basically I'm talking about convergent evolution but with civilizations.

An example, men are stronger than women, so a culture that encourages men to work with heavy equipment and combat would fair better than one that didn't. And so boys receive toy weapons, and toy heavy equipment and are encouraged to like playing with it.
Because men are stronger than women, they reach the higher regions of the social hierarchy more often than women (due to the social heirarchy being backed by one's capability for violence). This puts pressure on women to be the primary actor of attracting a mate, as opposed to how it is with most other animals. Also, with all the hard physical work being done by men, women usually get left with social or cleaning work. And so, girls are given dolls to encourage an awareness of her own appearance as well as to encourage her playing out social interactions among her toys.

I feel mildly autistic for typing all that out. I hope it's all understandable.

Casanunda is an early example of a dwarf who goes in the opposite direction and embraces ultra masculinity. I havent got the book to hand, but there's a description in Lords and Ladies (I think) about how he's like a dynamo on the pent up dam of dwarven sexuality. Hwell from Wyrd Sisters and Glod Gloddson from Soul Music also rebelled against Dwarven cultural mores early on as well. There's clearly a lot of tension in Dwarven society as it adapts to new ideas, like not bashing in the brains of trolls on sight, humans can be dwarves, women existing and maybe you dont have to live in a mine. You could even argue that the Clang of city dwarves and the growing prominence of Deep Downer culture is a direct reaction to it, embracing orthodoxy in response to changes.

Cassanunda was so fricking funny. The only character who could ever match Nanny Ogg's libido.

>And then there was Nanny Ogg. Nanny Ogg appreciated fine wine in her very own way. It would never have occurred to Casanunda that anyone would top up white wine with port merely because she'd reached the end of the bottle. As for the food . . . well, she enjoyed that, too. Casanunda had never seen that elbow action before. Show Nanny Ogg a good dinner and she went at it with knife, fork, and rammer. Watching her eat a lobster was a particular experience he would not forget in a hurry. They'd be picking bits of claw out of the woodwork for weeks. And the asparagus . . . he might actually try to forget Nanny Ogg putting away asparagus, but he suspected the memory would come creeping back.

>It must be a witch thing, he told himself. They're always very clear about what they want. If you climbed cliffs and braved rivers and skied down mountains to bring a box of chocolates to Gytha Ogg, she'd have the nougat centres out of the bottom layer even before you got your crampons off. That's it. Whatever a witch does, she does one hundred percent. Hubba, hubba!

>"Ain't you going to eat all those prawns? Just push the plate this way, then."

>He had tried a little footsie to keep his hand in, as it were, but an accidental blow on the ankle from one of Nanny's heavy iron-nailed boots had put a stop to that. And then there had been the gypsy violinist. At first Nanny had complained about people playin' the fiddle while she was trying to concentrate on her eatin', but between courses she'd snatched it off the man, thrown the bow into a bowl of camellias, retuned the instrument to something approaching a banjo, and had given Casanunda three rousing verses of what, him being foreign, she chose to call Il Porcupine Nil Sodomy Est. Then she'd drunk more wine.

>You can enact a social change that gives everyone more liberty to be who they are, and to do (or not do) what they want without changing that particular tradition.
You just explained why even "woke" muslim women can wear the hijab. It's about having a CHOICE and not being forced to do it.

Woke Muslim women wear it either because of tribalism, wokeness or a mix. It's a garment that represents women as property, delusional to say otherwise

I have in my possession a five thousand year old scroll that says you're not allowed to express those thoughts or question anything Pratchett wrote.
How does that make you feel?
Trick question, shut the frick up.
That's why.

Down there it's the lore, but up here it's me!

>Yes and does he take the chance to abuse it?
Depends on your definition of "abuse". He does play fast and loose with the rules sometimes, since he's the pragmatic Dirty Harry to Carrot's "memorized every regulation" character, but thanks to protagonist centered morality it works out.
I think this is dumb anyway and if we were to get a Cinemaphile adaptation it should be of Mort.

IMO Vimes is like Granny Weatherwax where he knows that deep down he's not a particularly good person but he's wise enough to know that and constantly check himself.
And yes, Reaper Man is great but I think it needs Mort first as setup. Plus with its princesses I think that it'd be an easier sell.

>he's wise enough to know that and constantly check himself.
I can agree on that. I mean look at Night Watch.
Still, Vimes I don't think Vimes resents it like Weatherwax does, I think he's more angry he can't do more:
>Vimes: Then it's something we're not seeing, damn it! People are dead, Captain! Mrs. Easy's dead!
>Carrot: Who, sir?
>Vimes: You've never heard of her?
>Carrot: Can't say that I have, sir. What did she use to do?
>Vimes: Do? Nothing, I suppose. She just brought up nine kids in a couple of rooms you couldn't stretch out in and she sewed shirts for a tuppence an hour, every hour the bloody gods sent, and all she did was work and keep to herself and she is dead, Captain. And so's her grandson. Aged fourteen months. Because her granddaughter took them some grub from the palace! A bit of a treat for them! And d'you know what? Mildred thought I was going to arrest her for theft! At the damn funeral, for gods' sake! It's murder now. Not assassination, not politics, it's murder.

Based Reaper Man appreciator, it's my all time favourite too

Kino

I like
>I ONLY HAVE FOUR ONES.

>OF COURSE, . . . SINCE YOU BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION . . . YOU'LL BE BJORN AGAIN.

It's this one. This is the speech.
It's right up there with Beta Ray Bill's.

It really is the best Discworld book

>well socialized people
You're.
On.
Cinemaphile.

Good point.
>Most well socialized people can tell when someone is moralizing and sneering down at them, but might be pressured to go along with it
>Most poorly socialized people (in either direction) either 100% believe the person out of trust and go along with everything or don't buy any of it and refuse to buy any of it because social pressure doesn't work on autists.
There's a reason BPD (Hyper-socialization) tends to be all on the prog side while autism is 50-50, either they get them young/from a trusted source and hook them for life, or they don't have an in and when they push it the result is 'No, frick you, frick off and frick your shit'

Sounds more like "holy shit I'll never forget how fat this b***h is because I've never seen anyone this big". I'll certainly never forget the big black guy I saw walking down the street one day when the US Navy had shore leave in our town. His height only served to let him be fatter without getting kicked out.

We would have gotten there eventually. And I think Vetinari definitely anticipated that Moist wasn't as big of a bastard, that's why he was putting him in all these different public servant roles. If the city became a better place to live for the average person, the guy in charge wouldn't need to be such a bastard

No, Vetinari is grooming Slightly Damp to be the new Patrician. Carrot taking the throne is just an option if things get really really bad. Vetinari doesn't want a monarchy, Vimes doesn't want a monarchy, and Carrot doesn't want a monarchy.

Sure he will, Veni hinted that once he dies Carrot would be a suitable replacement. He's an old frick too while Carrot is young and spry and fricking a hot werewolf gf.

He's definitely not expecting Carrot to be king, but I'm not so sure he's grooming Moist to be Patrician either. I always got the feeling that he's playing a larger game of building up the city into a state where it'll keep running WITHOUT a Patrician or King, by making sure that the civil service of the city works with such efficiency that you don't need anyone up top to bark orders. Moist is at most a final step if Vetinari dies too soon, where Vetinari expects Moist to make the city as efficient as he does everything. Once it's reached that state all the guilds would keep any new Patrician or King from rising up, because it'll hurt their profits if some dumb bastard decides to muck about with the perfect system that's making them so much money, so they'll keep Rust and his type from putting anyone on a throne.

But they could simply have introduced Sibyl as she is in the books if they needed that. She could have easily filled a spot showing the audience a perspective from the richer part of town. If they'd trusted in the audience knowing about British stereotypes about the aristocracy and finding it funny. They didn't and so they thought it better to make her a young black ninja fighting the city.

I really doubt his daughter came up with that, she's not a bad writer herself (See OverLord games) and respects her fathers works tbh. Even she is not a fan of the American Watch

I can't remember the last one I read but you could tell he was in decline and it apparently got even worse.

>I haven't even read Terry's last works because apparently he went senile or something
He developed posterior cortical atrophy, a rare form of alzheimers that affects people a lot earlier (in their 50s, usually), has a very rapid onset, and affects vision and the parts of the brain that deal with spelling and arithmatic, so things like reading and writing become very difficult quite quickly. Godawful irony.

https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/blog/sir-terry-pratchett-a-watershed-moment-for-dementia/

Anon, Sybil being black wasn't the issue. Pratchett said on more than one occasion that with dwarves and trolls around, humans didn't really give a shit about different skin colours between them.
She could have been black and still had the same role she had in the books

There were exceptions, Corporal "Mayonaise" Quirke from the Day Watch and (I think, its been ages since I've read it) Lord de Worde from the Truth were more standard racists. Plus there's the whole thing in Jingo, with the mobs, Klatchian's Head pub and Vimes having a quiet word with Colon about calling the Gorriffs ragheads. You're right though, the main crux for me isn't that she's not an older valkyrie of a woman. If her bosom can't rise and fall like an empire what's the point?

>That was more a nationalism thing than a racism thing
It's sort of both. Colon is supposed to represent that kind of nationalistic brexiting kind of brit that hates foreigners and their weird food but eats curry 3 times a week because he's just that lacking in self awareness.

Rhianna had literally nothing to do with the TV show the frick are you talking about

Anon, Sybil being black wasn't the issue. Pratchett said on more than one occasion that with dwarves and trolls around, humans didn't really give a shit about different skin colours between them.
She could have been black and still had the same role she had in the books

>because the Ankh aristocracy are clearly not filled with people of all colours
I'm not seeing the logic here. They're not Klatchian so they must all be white? How do you figure?

The hatred of Klatch wasn't racial though. It was morporkians being jingoistic nationalists. Literally the name of the book was Jingo

I'm pretty sure he used Klatch because of the Gulf War and all the other conflicts surrounding it. No one was particularly clamouring to go to war with France in the 90s, so a war with Quirm wouldn't have been as particularly relevant satire

>They are prejudiced though
Yes, against foreign nations. It's so strange to me that you're inserting race into it.

Its strange to me that you're denying there's a strong racial component to it, when Nobby and Colon have a conversation really early on where Colon literally says

>'And o'course, they're not the same colour as what we are,' said Colon. 'Well... as me, anyway,' he added, in view of the various hues of Corporal Nobbs. There was probably no–one alive who was the same colour as Corporal Nobbs.

He's likely American and thus can only see everything through the lens of skin tone.
>But if these people aren't blacks then who is?
Funny thing is, Pratchett specifically said 'No one cares about race in Ahnk Morpork, they care about species' in one of the earliest books and people will bilthely ignore this to insert their own thing about omg he'd totally be on my side in the culture war!

>He's likely American
How dare you.

>She could have been black and still had the same role she had in the books
Could, except for the fact that Ahnk Morpork is a satire of a very specific place and the nobility of that place aren't a diversity circus.
Look, you can say 'It could work' all you like but the wasp in the jam here is that everyone knows you're saying it because of politics and nothing else.
>Every single change they've made is terrible and bullshit except the ones that align with my political ideology
Tends to be something other people notice. We know you'd throw a pissy about it going the other direction so why not be honest so that we can tell you 'No, frick off, we're not playing another round of 'What if Snape was a single mother' with you for those dank twitter updoots'

What are you even trying to say here? I genuinely don't get it. There's literally no reason the landed gentry of Ankh Morpork all had to be white. This is never once stated in any of the books. Yes they are meant to be a parody of real world british nobility but so what? Ankh Morpork doesn't actually exist in real world britain.

I think the guy just had a balanced view of things that is ultimately becoming less popular in this increasingly partisan political landscape.
Take affirmative action for example, the campaign for equal heights are portrayed as busybody humans getting offended on account of dwarves who are more interested in just keeping their head down and working while at the same time we see wit the watch affirmative action achieve literally the exact aim of affirmative action in the first place.

I should put more effort into proof-reading my posts.
>Although, if narrativia is the guiding force within the Discworld, maybe that DOES make sense.

I mean to say here that narrativia could cause intelligent female beings to be generally drawn to feminine stuff.

I think the best argument for Sybil being black is that she's secretly bald because of all the dragon flames and it's a lot harder for white actresses to pull off bald.
Having said that you just know it'd be Angua that gets the race swap.