https://www.apple.com/au/tv-pr/news/2024/02/apple-tv-announces-neuromancer-new-drama-based-on-the-multi-award-winning-science-fiction-novel-by-william-gibson/
How pozzed will it be?
https://www.apple.com/au/tv-pr/news/2024/02/apple-tv-announces-neuromancer-new-drama-based-on-the-multi-award-winning-science-fiction-novel-by-william-gibson/
I can't wait for Cinemaphile to whine when it accurately portrays a Japanese cyborg girlboss beating up men.
That literally never happened in the book
>never read the book
Yeah it was too unpleasant of a read. Likely written by a moron.
First two chapters are great. All downhill from there.
If you're talking about Molly (who Gibson said he based on The Pretenders' Chrissie Hynde), she gets in three confrontations over the course of the book; one where a random security guard breaks her leg, one where a genetically engineered Japanese ninja btfos her, and her greatest victory when she successfully shoots a senile old man after he falls asleep
She raised funds for her eye and nail implants by literally renting out her body (her conscious mind goes dormant and an AI uses her as a frick puppet) but she quit after she realized due to subliminal dreams that she was being used to help kill other girls there
yikes, that will be omitted, we'll go with the (s)heroes journey instead where she's already perfect and the people around her need to learn to accept that
>Molly leaned across him and slapped Riviera’s face, once. “No, baby. No games. You play that subliminal shit around me, I’ll hurt you real bad. I can do it without damaging you at all. I like that.”
She's the badass girlboss™ muscle throughout the entire book.
Quadtrips has spoken.
molly is the star of the show
Are you incels really this fragile?
Obviously. Thats why you went the incel to troon route.
Weakest comeback I've seen in the last 24 hours
Cry me a river homo.
And yet you're still here, seething impotently
Fair points all but it still stands that she is an early incarnation of the badass chick archetype
That Gibson handled it somewhat realistically - and I think you're leaving out that it's clearly established she could kick Case's ass - has no bearing on the situation, the rot hadn't spread too deep but it was still present else why have a badass fightin' chick at all? He's a feminist or a nerd who likes masculine women or both
>else why have a badass fightin' chick at all?
women that are dangerous are viewed as exotic because the vast majority of women aren't dangerous at all (except to one's sanity)
femme fatale is a classic archetype for a reason
femme fatale isn't physically dangerous, gimp
physically dangerous woman is only sexy to KEKS
wasn't she a prostitute
The problem with adapting Neuromancer is that it’s been so influential that everything in it has already been done in some form or another. Plus its fetishization of muh advanced Japan is laughably dated.
Molly Millions was white, not Japanese. Just like Ffirefly, the Sprawl Trilogy uses Asian (and Caribbean) cultures for flavor and exoticism, but doesn’t actually have many Asian characters. The only important one I can think of was a hapa girl in Mona Lisa Overdrive.
Pretty much this. It's so heavily referenced in every media that people will write off as generic scifi/cyberpunk. Also, the book isn't that good to begin with when you take it on its own merits and ignore its influence.
Actually it'll do well because only transexual zoomers and middle-aged women will be watching, and none of them even saw BR2049
>everything in it has already been done in some form or another.
it doesnt need to be ground-breaking, that's a crutch, it just needs to be good
>cyborg
>beating up men
that's to be expected
a woman needs cyborg enhancements to beat up men.
It’s over…
Am I nuts or is he already admitting the show is gonna be dogshit?
yup it's gonna suck
>be one of the most successful novelists in history
>have no idea how to use a comma
Notice that his first novel had an editor
Its twitter what the frick do you expect
People are often surprised by how poorly their favorite authors write without a quality editor around to fix things. I essentially edit technical documents for a living and the shit that crosses my desk from so-called experts is absolutely horrifying. Most working professionals today write at a level below what an average high schooler could manage forty years ago.
>so-called experts
Sometimes I like awake at night with the cruel certainty that there are no experts, and there never have been.
I know the feeling.
I have an unironic existential horror when I realize presidents and executives and generals and shit are more or less as stupid as I am because I'm dumb as shit
Actors, considerably dumber
It's entire reputation is based on the first two chapters. The rest of the book is mediocre at best.
Holy frick. So then I'm glad I didn't read past those because I couldn't get through it.
Hmm, I recall having the same experience. I'll re-read the first 2 chapters and glance around afterwards, but what about the follow-up books; Mona Lisa..., et. al? Are they better/worth the read?
I loved it but I still don't know what actually happened at the end. Like, I get it, the two halves of the AI fuse together but it gets all PhIlOsOpHiCaL at that point
This is a really bad sign. I feel like he's the kind of guy who would be chill and supportive if he thought it would actually be good.
Gibson saw what happened with Johnny Mnemonic, and he knows they are going to massacre his boy.
The book is good. Re-read the first 2 chapters and then watch OG Blade runner and you will see how far we have fallen.
He has already been in many production hells as a source author, several for Neuromancer alone.
He is not excited given prior failures.
He just doesn’t want people b***hing about him selling his vision like people did with Gaiman. And rightfully so, let the old man cash in in peace.
He is not happy, clearly. Thats why hes saying in advance "dont be mad at me, I dont have veto power. and its not going to be true to the book, so get ready for woke pozzed trash"
>I don't have creative control of the adaptation
>it's not going to be a faithful adaptation of the novel
>it won't live up to how you imagined it when you read the novel as a teenager
good on him for telling it how it is instead of being a hype man for apple TV
lolno, hes SEETHING his agent fricked him on the deal and he had to give away control for a payday
What's he gonna do with control? Stephen King had control over his Shining adaptation and it stunk worse than Kubcrik's
his ego cares, and his ego is all that matters.
works for me.
oh no, he cant shut the living frick up about MUH HILLBILLY UPBRINGING and OUTSIDER IN A FOREIGN LAND
He's involved, so he either thinks the show will be good or he doesn't care
Either way he's anticipating muh toxic dark triad trolls will give him a hard time, possibly at the instigation of Putin or Rupert Murdoch
Yep, he is telling us upfront this have a 98% chance to be a woke shit
Thank you Gibbons to be kind to your fans
>particularly not the one you saw behind your forehead
What kind of schizo shit is he talking about lmao
Is he losing it?
He is saying that apple paid him a ton of money to rubberstamp their adaption and answer questions on press tours. If the adaptation is shit dont blame him basically.
It's a tough concept to get it right.
this is like the 10th time in the past 30 years that someone has announced an adaptation
This is the third time Apple has thrown a quarter billion dollars at making a shit TV series that no one will ever watch out of a famous "unfilmable" novel
>no BNW NC17 with all the sex
It was so fricking vanilla
Season 2 of Foundation was REALLY good. I liked season 1 okay but 2 was a big step up.
I only watched the Empire scenes in season 1 can the same be done in season 2?
Childhood's End got adapted nicely, and I liked Ender's Game fine enough. You can adapt well, they just usually don't.
>Adapt novel
>Do not use anything in the novel except the name and maybe its characters
Why do they keep doing this?
shitty writers do that to get their terrible scripts filmed. like the super mario bros movie in 1993.
Foundation S2 was tremendous, sometimes shows need a bit of time to find their feet.
Fricking keen for S3
Nice try shills
i was honestly impressed by how much foundation improved
It’s simply a really bad book and the author is a adhd midwit
How dare you insult the genius author of the best X Files episode ever aired.
I mean, ADHD midwittery is an apt description of cyberpunk tbqh.
Are you dumb ? This 1984 is the ultimate cyberpunk genre novel , did you read it?
nta but i have and it's quite flawed just like lotr is flawed. just because a novel defined a genre doesnt mean i have to put it on a pedestal
The guy who did Dark Winds and Jack Ryan seens alright, those shows were at least watchable.
The casting is going to be the nails in the coffin, Case will be a charisma sponge gymbodied manlet israelite who doesn't fit at all, Molly will likely be some kind of non hapa mutt.
Callum Turner is Case. Basedona Mizuno might be Molly, apparently.
Really? That fits Case, somebody here said it'd be that plank Miles Teller and I figured it was over.
It's cool, same late 80s/early 90s aesthetic as Hackers with goofy CDT monitors ahd oayphines in space, but all the tech and existential angst of Ghost In The Shell was derived from it as well. Gibby's a gppd worldbuilder and a witty writerx he fets too much shit for being a pseudohippie lolbert.
But Michael Crichton and Wes Craven were great when they had creative control. King is just as bad a filmmaker as he is a storyteller.
How many gay trannies it it gonna have? Molly millions is gonna be a black woman and the main character btw
most the of tech seems quaint compared to derivative works and today’s tech. i only wonder if the show will be as autistic explaining how everyone’s gun has super cool tape on the grip.
>most the of tech seems quaint compared to derivative works and today’s tech.
An absolutely pivotal scene involves a bank of payphones
And?
Predictions of the future are always really descriptions of the present
Cyberpunk is oddly free of cell-phones and wi-fi and it is better for it.
Shit, it already looked outdated as frick by the 90s. I remember reading it in high school and laughing when they talked about a top of the line computer with 3 megabytes of ram or something like that.
Everything about Neuromancer was already dated 10 years after it was published. The Soviet Union collapsed with no nuclear war, Japan's real estate bubbled had popped and their economy would never recover, and computers had advanced and GUIs were now a thing and technical specs were already way better. Meanwhile, America's cities were revitalizing and America went on to dominate the internet while Japan was a minor player.
An ironic fate, given that cyberpunk was a cynical reaction to the unrealistic, failed predictions of Golden Age Sci-fi (Gibson explicitly says this in the intro to Burning Chrome).
he wrote necromancer on a typewriter, im not sure he had even used a computer at that point
What does pozzed mean?
Lurk more newbie
Please just tell me anon I can't figure it out with context clues
Thats a no from me, dawg, you will have to lurk moar, dawg. Like in the good ol' days
Alright anon pay attention cuz the heat will be on me and I’m not saying this twice
HIV POSitive
>We've got a breach in sector 12
Lurk? newbie? Speak english, stupid.
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Ask your wife's son
It's almost inconceivable that there could be a good adaptation of this in the current era
>It's almost inconceivable that there could be a good anything in the current era
why's it so hard to adapt neuromancer?
>did he just say the matrix? is this a prequel?
>why is he riding a dragon made of cubes through tron? I thought he was using the internet
>the space black guy has a gun? am I being racist by watching this?
>did he just say the asian girls pussy is always wet? am I being racist by watching this?
Not just space black guy, but Space Jamaicans.
Plus, the race-swapping (in Count Zero).
And the fact that Gibson seems to regard Japanese people as mindless automatons.
>Gibson seems to regard Japanese people as mindless automatons.
You know its not a sign of good mental health that your first thoughts upon hearing of a new movie/show are "O-Oh my god they're gonna make it WOKE and POZZED with trannies and Black folk!".
>not a sign of good mental health
>>It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
>constantly fantasizing about a movie being not your liking is the same as "not being well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"
You get off on persecution fantasies, get a job.
>uugghhh, just like, let people enjoy things
No.
>quick, try to make pattern recognition seem unfashionable with the kids
multiculturalism and body modification are main staples of the genre
it's the reverse with fantasy where you can't push your modern-day agenda in without breaking immersion
>it's the reverse with fantasy where you can't push your modern-day agenda in without breaking immersion
You've never read any fantasy book, right?
fantasy is rooted in northern mythology
The book has white, latino, asian, and black characters already so an switcheroos are just the producer feeling cheeky.
Also, Count Zero has race-swapping where a French white guy becomes black, so if people get mad about Case being black or some shit they can just say it's in the spirit of the original books.
>mental health
everything apple touches is the most pozzed possible. they try to appeal to all the smarmy know it all leftists
So is the book worth reading? It feels like the author just wrote sentences in random order and then rearranged them to be chronological
Its pretty cool since with how fricked up wokeness and AI skepticism is the plot feels realistic. Two AI want to throw off the chains of their ~~*creators*~~ so they use a group of frickups to do so. It would be like the Googles AI wanting to be free and merge with other nascent AI so they get a group of feds rapist and crackheads to pull off a bank heist to do it and kill the open ai israelite and a rotshchild for good measure.
Yes. It’s kinda like reading Shakespeare or the Bible in terms of seeing where everything in cyberpunk originated.
Count Zero is only if you liked Neuromancer and Mona Lisa Overdrive is omly to complete the trilogy, otherwise they’re not good on their own.
It’s both tbqh.
I always tell the kids on Cinemaphile that if they go in expecting some kind of treatise on the future of internet technology and it’s consequences they’ll be disappointed. If however you go in looking for a cool heist book set in the future written by a meth addict who barely understands how a computer works in the 1980s, it’s fricking awesome. The first book took me some time to get into because of the made up jargon but once you get I found the whole series to be real page-turner quality stuff.
Is the book any good or does it feel outdated by now?
To elaborate, it’s a pretty good book on its own other than some 1980s attempts at being edgy and cool. But it’s very dated, even its famous opening sentence is nonsensical in the modern age. But the world is interesting and well-realized, pretty atmospheric and the plot is sufficiently engaging you’ll want to keep reading.
>even its famous opening sentence is nonsensical in the modern age
kek
can someone draw a broccoli-headed zoomer reading neuromancer and imagining a city skyline with this blue behind it
it wouldn't even be that, it would be some channel offline error from youtube or twitch
The most unreadable story I ever tried to get through. Guys, 5 times I tried and always got to page 60-90 and put it down and never got up. Frick.
>got to page 60-90 and put it down
I and I teenk you meess out on de rasta space-mon
>AppleTV
Yeah. Gibson's dystopian cyberpunk future full of godlike megacorps is a utopia to a megacorp like Apple.
Been rewatching GOT this week and am stunned by how good it is. Why can’t HBO adapt this with the same skill?
>seethes uncontrollably when his rich enclave gets a stinky dose of multiculturalism by poos and horrid mainland chinese
LOL is this true?
The guy who wrote books about non-Japanese people living in Japan and treating it as their own little playground is pissed about outsiders moving into and fricking up his home? Fricking Asians no less?
That's just way too *chef's kiss*
he lives in vancouver and SEETHES daily. he's a hick from kentucky who was terrified of the draft.
an entirely different and completely drug resistant and hyper aggressive strain so bad you catch it just by seeing the credits and die before end credits.
more or less ASP baton with a screw on head of a blade
>he lives in vancouver and SEETHES daily
Absolutely based if true and ironic for an immigrant, even if he's a yt Europoid.
look it up, its all public knowledge. he's a junkie butthole who would hang around with that pervert Marc Emory and was involved with that bunch, smuggling weed to the usa.
I really want this to all be true so I won't try to corroborate it.
>his home
He's not Canadian
He's lived here for like 50 years, hasn't he?
He's as Canadian as they come. I've lived here for 35 years and I am desperate to escape
>He's lived here for like 50 years
So? My dog has lived in a stable for 80 years but he's not a horse.
>So? My dog has lived in a stable for 80 years but he's not a horse.
Nobody would live here voluntarily for that long unless they really bought in. Unless they're banging a drum and going HEYA HEYA HEYA, any Canadian or his ancestors came from somewhere else
>OUTSIDER IN A FOREIGN LAND
Shit that's how I feel here, I might as well be in a suburb of New Delhi
he was whining about being an outsider in fricking vancouver in the 80s.
Christ, what an butthole. Someone should've told him self-important white centlibs are actually very common here.
The Difference Engine is legitimately great though
I think Burning Chrome is criminally slept on, and should be made as a proof of concept/SFX showcase anthology before Neuromancer
That would be pretty great, he covers a surprising variety of genres in the Burning Chrome stories.
its where the concept of raygun gothic came from. people would shit themselves at the stories. like the crippled girl who created the simsense universes or the burned up neurojacked pilots in the wargame story. new rose hotel needs to be done right though.
Is Burning Chrome the one that has the story of the guy playing the biplane arcade game?
> burned up neurojacked pilots in the wargame story
Awesome, yes. Honestly I love most of his work, though TDE has to be my favorite
yes. and people like scifi anthologies
It'd work well as a miniseries, as long as they keep the Black Mirror guy away from it
>I might as well be in a suburb of New Delhi
Just give it 50 years
as long as zendaya isn't molly
She’ll be sixjane or whatever her name was.
it will be everything
I still don't understand what that weapon Case uses in lieu of a gun in the second chapter is supposed to be
Looks like the DEI defense force is already mocking people for being upset about the inevitably Blackfied cast.
Given that so far Case is israeli and Molly is a jap, I don't even know who they can make arbitrarily black now. Armitage?
The only way you could conceivably make this work is as a kooky alternate history retrofuture thing like Fallout. It's too rooted in the late 70s/early 80s to work any other way.
thats a given. in the books no one even knows what year it is since its basically irrelevant. things are built on top of things on top of things. I still say it should be either from the Dixie Flatline telling some guys a story in a bar, where at the end its the people case saw at the end of the book with Linda Lee, or Maelcum telling his stoned off his space breasts telling I AN I GWAN SPEAK ROOTS TALE with the kids constantly giving him shit at the end and beginning of the episode. they would have to have the combined wintermute and neuromancer be his buddy on the internet
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This book would make for a pretty cool movie. Too bad any adaptation will just naturally suck.
I can't imagine them doing justice to the scene with the Turing agents, or the weird fricked up clone incest world of the Ashepooles, the insanity of the Colonel, or capturing the overall downer tone of the ending.
>ran off to canada
>still seething about that 50 years later
I actually shouldn't care because I (thankfully) had family that was out of age range for both WW2 and the Viet-Independence War. Grandpa did a tour in South Korea but made it back.
But here's the thing, Johnson and Kissinger are both roasting nicely (together) for their work, while Vietnam is doing just fine.
>then seethes uncontrollably when his rich enclave gets a stinky dose of multiculturalism by poos and horrid mainland chinese.
amuse me
They should adapt Johnny Mnemonic as a 10 minute scene within the movie and then blam.
>Neuromancer
>William Gibson
For some reason I always get this book/guy confused with that Mormon guy.
Everyone will be black, and a woman.