How should the X-Men interact with non-mutant superheroes?
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Logically speaking, a breeding program should be set up.
Imagine securing the future of your mutant child with a backup radioactive spider-powerset
There are therapists available and willing to help with your porn addiction
>walk into therapist’s office
>tell them I self insert as spider-man and want to impregnate nonhumans
That reminds me of when jubilees adopted baby Shogo the non- mutant turn out to be the one in the Iron Man like outfit from the future .
>guy in power armor
>named Shogo
By not being massive buttholes for starters, jfc.
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Like old friends they've been working with for years, like people they know and trust. Not with open hostility, distrust and resentment, and not by blaming them for all of their own problems and failures.
Just be cool unless it's Spider-man(Peter Parker)
Why is she such a c**t to him? Spidey is a well acquainted ally of the X-Men and has helped them many times over the years. He has good standing with Jean and Cyclops and Chuck, is good friends with Logan and Bobby, is respected by Hank, regarded as the great hero of all time by fricking Cable, is at least on good terms with Nate Grey, looked up to by Hope fricking Summers, and viewed very favorably by Emma Frost. What more of a resume does he fricking need?
>I don't like you
Again, why? Peter's actions and reputation with her close allies should more than speak of his character. Is she just being written OOC here? Because I remember her being more motherly and kind, not a shithead.
>Why should it be a non-mutant (what a bigot) loudmouth masked outsider we don't even know
Except you've worked with him many, many times over the years. Get fricked.
>both heroes and villains like Miles more
Oh frick this shit.
there's a difference between a team-up every now and then and being made a teacher at the school
Again, his rapport and extensive history with them overrides any reasonable annoyance she listed. He isn't an unknown, he's a longtime ally of theirs that is proven to be capable. He has numerous connections that speak nothing but good about him and is regarded as trustworthy and respectable by the seniors of the school. She's just being a b***h, I guess, to be the stick in the mud straightman like Dr. Barbay in Back to School.
This is also a silly comedy comic so don't take it too seriously
Aye, fair enough.
nta but for what it's worth she does come around by the end of the book
>This is also a silly comedy comic so don't take it too seriously
You're in an X-thread that is full of Spidergays two series full of the absolute worst self inserters. They are incapable of that, everything in the comics are a personal slight against them
It also requires a bunch of characters including two who supposedly considers him a good friend and another who has actually been inside his head before to act like pricks to him. Also Spiderman HAS been a teacher before
>Also Spiderman HAS been a teacher before
they don't know that
I noticed how you ignored Beat and Iceman not vouching for him as well as Rachell helping him out before
Beast knows that. Beast gave him a device to change his physical appearance so he can continue teaching during Civil War.
Beast reveals he's in the Illuminati and holding an Infinity Gem to one-up Spider-Man, it's a silly comedy comic, don't take it too seriously
You're a sensible and straight laced fellow, anon
>Oh frick this shit.
Why is this a bad thing? Isn't every hero finding Peter annoying part of the joke. It's part of he fun of his team-ups. I swear you morons complain if they make legacy characters the same as the originals and if they don't
>Isn't every hero finding Peter annoying part of the joke
There comes a point when you need to stop telling the joke. You can find someone a bit annoying but respect them all the same. Jokes lose their humor if you take them to far.
But they still respect him lol. You had that Emma Frost panel saying that he was the best of them. You had his appearance in Zdarsky's Daredevil. Plus this isn't even a big deal. It's just a small little joke that's completely in character for Magik. I swear, Spider-Man fans are the biggest b***hes on the Internet. If someone isn't sucking his dick 24/7 you'll start moaning about how he's being disrespected. Try being a Hank Pym fan
I think it's a valid criticism of a running trend between Peter and Miles where the latter is unduly accepted for no reason and the former wallows in a joke that was never made sense or was good for the character anyway, who was not allowed to grow with his own history.
But alright dude. I'm not even gonna argue with you anymore. While I have a great passion for the character, he helped me through rough times, that's not going to drag me in a pointless shitflinging contest. I like Spidey getting recognized, I admit that, and your references are valid.
Take it easy mugga.
>in a joke that was never made sense
If we wanna go all the way to the start like that the joke is Peter is a teenager around a bunch of adults.
Why is Pete as a former teenager hated while miles is a current teenager and loved?
This is a better question that I don’t have an answer for. Miles does have more teen heroes to hang out with though which might be a reason. Just less chances for the dynamic to happen. When Peter started the options were like Johnny Storm and Rick Jones and the X-men were too far upstate I guess
Because he's Black Spider-Man, and nobody in the Marvel Universe is allowed to dislike him because then they'd be "racist". It's that simple. Even the villains like or respect him, as seen most recently with him fighting Hobgoblin in the Gang War event. Writers are just making it too obvious by pointedly having a lot of the same characters b***h about how annoying they find Peter.
I think the only guy who has give Miles flack is Shocker who either seems to be passively annoyed by him or one time called him the hand me down Spider-man in an issue with Black Panther there to cause of course
>that never made sense
he's constantly making jokes and running his mouth in high stress situations, more serious characters find that annoying, it's not that complex
If this were back in like the 80s and 90s, yeah, but it really doesn't work out now that EVERY superhero seems to be making quips and puns while they're fighting, to the point you have weird buttholes like Moon Knight sounding like they're written by Bendis. Now it just feels like they hate Peter Parker for not being part of the cool kids club yet Miles somehow is despite knowing him for literally a tenth of the time they've known Peter.
>You had that Emma Frost panel saying that he was the best of them
When was that?
>Spider-Man is being kind of a dick, kissing up or flirting on some other dude's wife or girlfriend, or just talking smack to a villain or being a smartass with colleagues or friends
>"Haha! That Spider-Man! What a card!
>other characters call him out for being kind of an annoying dick at times, nothing harsh, just saying that his attitude kind of grates on them
>THE FRICK!? HE SHOULD BE WORSHIPED BY EVERYONE FOR WHAT HE'S DONE!!!
They're not trying to fricking cancel him, they're not even saying that he should frick off and stop being friends, they're just saying that he needs to know when to shut his damn mouth sometimes. It's like nobody here has, or had, a friend that has a bad, or worse, no filter and has told them to shut the frick up when everyone else aren't in the mood.
>they're just saying that he needs to know when to shut his damn mouth sometimes
Yes and before he was written like a manchild he would. Now he makes jokes 24/7 and people hate him for it. Peter's poor characterisation leads into the things your talking about, which is what makes it bad writing.
Again this was not an issue before the mid-late 2000s
Frick me I need to proof read these things before I post
He's been written as having a bit of a temper even before Benis got his hands on him, and that wasn't because he was written as a manchild, it's because he was always kind of a dick. You're only complaining about a joke being run into the ground, which is valid, but other characters not having an entirely positive reception of him is perfectly acceptable, because his past behavior has warranted as such.
>other characters not having an entirely positive reception of him is perfectly acceptable, because his past behavior has warranted as such.
That's not the issue. Other characters not liking him is one thing, and was a thing because of his temper or the Bugle's bullshit or whatever beforehand, and that's fine. His temper goes all the way back to the Ditko days, and it was great and a fun character flaw to contend with. It's part of why his induction into the Avengers went to poorly, and why for a long time he never got along with Iron Man. It was good shit
It's the relatively recent trend of it being because Peter is written like an obnoxious manchild that I take issue with. That and at this point Peter has been around longer than most other heroes, like since the heroic age first begun. Having him be this loser that people shit on just doesn't make sense at this point in his career.
I should mention that stuff like pic related is typically the worst it gets but it's still pretty bad
Whats this bullshit?
Cap reapects Peter a lot, because of his unweavering values and morals. This is excrement
>because of his unweavering values and morals
Steve doesn't know, does he?
Bout what?
>aunt may is dying?
>hey devil, I wanna make some kinda deal with the devil with you
Mephisto snickers every time another Marvel hero calls Peter the best of them.
this is capeshit. We are forgiving of bouts of dogshit writing. It's the only way to stay sane
>reverse image search to figure out what it's from
>comments are almost identical to this thread
comedy
Yeah, it's Kirkman's Marvel Team-Up for those that can't be bothered going to all the effort
>Kirkman
naturally
>Hate Spider-Man
>Likes Flash
What does she mean by this?
Amputee fetish.
Losing his legs only made Flash more powerful.
She doesn't realise that Flash is Spidey's #1 fan
See?
See what?
Deez nuts
(Nah but seriously that is a garbage page holy shit)
Sorry anon. It really is a shit though. Add it to the list.
>Isn't every hero finding Peter annoying part of the joke
Peter being a manchild that's hated by everyone is a relatively recent thing started by Bendis
that would only work if Peter was a dick
kinda like Ditko peter
Well yeah, the original stuff had people either distrust or not like Peter either because he lost his temper and was an butthole, or they bought into Jameson's shit and didn't trust him (or they were Jan and had no reason).
It was never because they found him annoying
>Why is this a bad thing
>senior veteran of the community with a laundry list of teamups allies and reputation that precedes him after overcoming unfair years long lies about him
>has worked with, fought against and alongside just about everyone of note there is
>disrespected and disregarded while his replacement who has earned nothing and done nothing is automatically liked without pause or suspicion
>meanwhile his own clone and legitimate replacement got shit and suspicion
Are you serious? There's a reason why Miles is referred to as Poochie, because he's newer, cooler, and everyone likes him over the older, lamer character.
As
says it's time when you have to stop telling the joke because it just doesn't make sense. Peter is a pillar of the community. His reputation and deeds should speak more for him than 'lel, Spider-Man annoying', which only ever because a joke under Bendis.
Peter Parker is being replaced by a shitty character with no personality. Real Spider-Man fans will never accept it. It has nothing to do with race.
Why is Storm so ugly here?
Peter and the X-Men have history. Mostly not good.
>How should the X-Men interact with non-mutant superheroes?
By knowing their place.
I remember this. Fricking space bullet making people hallucinate them stopping it. Astonishing X-Men was so good.
Spidey being the first and only one to break out because he knew him winning was too ridiculous is such a good fricking moment. Everyone is tricked into thinking they stopped the bullet but Pete knows him actually winning one was too easy and must have been bullshit is such a good use of him as a street level guy.
Ha ha ha yeah! Based Spidey putting a wymyn in her place yet again!
Why isn't she just floating him next to her with winds?
Can't he just web the crowd? Its clearly a violent protest
this feels.....wrong.
Because it is wrong.This shit dumbs all of spidey's powers down to the point of near uselessness.
His Spider Sense doesn't pick up the clear danger of someone taking a swing at him
His reflexes don't let him dodge the attack or evade the crowd who try to drag him down
His immense strength doesn't let him throw his assailants around like rag dolls, or just ignore their attempts to move him.
His webs don't even enter into the fight, only used to try and get away as opposed to incapacitated his attackers
No writer without an agenda would have allowed this to happen.
Did Ennis write this or something? This is some top-tier moronation.
Worse, Guggenheim
>Guggenheim
Never forget that that fricker wrote THE worst X-men moment of all time. Nothing tops this, it's everything wrong with the brand
I think what kills me the most about X-men is how they basically took it on themselves to see themselves as the paragons of all mutandom. Any one who doesn't believe what they believe? Anyone who wants a cure? Well they're just not worthy of being an X. As if that means anything to anyone outside their club.
Keep note too, they preach all the good shit, then keep all their freaks in the basement in their "special" class.
God thats a hot Kitty Pryde
Well, she IS israeli.
>spider-man getting hit by a dude with a crowbar
>spider-man getting held down by randos
This is "Catwoman beating the Flash Family" levels of stupid
It’s worse, at least the Flashes were being mind controlled.
I remember seeing this POS posted elsewhere and it raised my bloodpressure then. What fricking garbage.
This would be like Superman trying to break up a riot and ending up getting beat to death by some thugs with kryptonite knuckles, because he didn't want to potentially kill the rioting crowd.
it's not Superman, but this is what happen when Flash went to the marvel universe.
People in the MU are just hard wired to be fricking buttholes and Reed should have let Galactus kill them all.
Makes sense. Flash has no speed force in the MU.
drinking game where spider man dies a moronic death in some elseworld for shock factor
Did he really die like that?
Shouldn't have supported BLM Peter.
Yeah I'm with everyone here, this shit is dumb as frick.
>His preternatural "spider-sense" didn't make him a mutant either.
>For all the good it did him.
What is this even supposed to mean? Probably even the writers of this garbage realized that it makes zero sense for Parker to be blindsided by a crowbar swung by a regular fricking human. So maybe if they just vaguely reference spider-sense, they can handwave this obvious discrepancy away.
>marvel civilians
I mean marvel civilians make sense since most stories are in NYC
They shouldn't. The X-Men shouldn't exist in the mainstream marvel universe.
This b***h still salty about Spidey dunking on her whole team the first time they met
The X-men have pretty much always been buttholes to everyone. The old X-men VS Avengers and X-men VS Fantastic Four comics are MUCH better stories than the shit you see now but holy shit the X-men are dicks to just about everyone.
The 70s,80s and 90s Storm i know would never talk like that.
"Non-mutant loud mouth masked outsider"...this sounds like Magneto speaking.
Ororo would never say such tribal based bullshit. Who the frick is writing this garbage?
That's just modern X-Men garbage. The OP image is from Spider-Man and the X-Men though which is actually pretty good and pokes fun at the whole thing
>You don't know our world
Meanwhile Spiderman has dealt with:
>Billionaire industrialists building robots specifically made to kill him
>The media having a vendetta against him spreading lies and libel
>Hated and feared by people he swore to protect
Spiderman lived the mutant experience on an individual level, he should be the one non-mutant that all mutants get behind
yeah but Peter can just take his mask off and go about his normal life without someone spitting on him and calling him a muggah
Like 90% of the X-men?
Then the X-men should to about wearing Spideman masks.
Mutants aint shit.
that's one of the best X-Men and Spider-Man comics of the past 20 years and you will put some respect on its name
It's a shame that a book that good is only remembered for it's dogshit first couple of pages.
I'd wager that Sauron panel is posted a lot more than the first couple pages
No...no i believe i wont.
X men died when that troony Morrison introduced Cassandra Nova and destroyed Genosha, with shitting on the rest with "no more Mutants.".
of course you won't, because you're an outragebait homosexual who has never read a comic in his fricking life
Sit your pink haired ass down, clown.
I read comics while your mommy swallowed jizz behind a back alley.
read your first one last night, huh?
I've read X-Men #1 with Claremont/Lee when it first came, child.
>when it first came
in the mail, yesterday?
How come trannies always have such shit comebacks and humour? Does non binary sucks out your ability to be witty?
no, that was my mom sucking my soul out through my dick last night when you were reading your first comic
You shouldn't let your mom suck your dick anon.
Her regular clients might catch something...
Take an English class before you try to talk shit, anon.
For me it's pic related
It was a fun little book
I miss when the X-Men would just be normal around other capes
>how do you do, fellow scientist
>Beast in Avengers.
Those were good times. His bromance with Wonder Man is missed...
The latest X-Force issue kind of has the bromance back, just in a moronic way.
A new Beast was cloned with his memories up to around his original Champions/Avengers days (i.e. pre-character assassination) and he went to Simon to team up with his old friend to take down the current Beast who is still a character assassinated butthole
Wonder how did it feel to get your ass whooped by your younger, better self who is backed up by your former best bud.
Must sting in the soul...
>the telepath doesn't know what the others did
Jean is a scam
this was back when Jean was a good person who tried to avoid peaking in people's heads uninvited.
How does the public even differentiate mutants from non-mutants supers?
If treat them like shit and the government backs you up they're a mutie. If you do it and then they laugh at you because they just got done fighting Galactus for the fifth time that week and sue you into poverty then they're not.
Didn’t it used to be a running bit for a while that they couldn’t? Like they trust Cap because of WWII and Iron Man is a guy in a suit but dudes like Spider-Man got lumped in with mutants pretty often whenever a writer thought it would be funny basically.
half of people in 616 think Spidey shoots organic web, talks t spiders and may be hideous under the mask. So yeah, he gets lumped with mutie freaks a lot.
They really don't most of the time. A solo mutant could easily lie and say he got his powers in an accident or from some other source and the public would believe them
Nowhere should be safe for them. These Tiktok dipshits masquerading as heros deserve all the scorn they get.
goddamn every time i see this gaygie page i just wanna get a job at marvel, insert my ORIGINAL OC CHARACTER DEF NOT A SELF INSERT DO NOT STEAL and violently have him beat cyclops to death, but not before destroying krakoa and ripping out his eyeballs, in that order
The most positive recent(ish) interaction with another hero that I remember Spider-Man having was with Reptil during King in Black.
Reptil still exists?
Yeah that was good. Chip's Daredevil was pretty consistent with him right through to the end. There was that one Thor annual that did him pretty well too
Yeah he was in the King in Black one-shot then I think he got a mini after that which I don't think performed very well
what did thor do?
One-off adventure where Thor was fighting a MODOK who temporarily became all-powerful and rewrote reality, and Thor briefly touched down in New York to survey the damage. He happened across the Peter Parker of that reality and got the motivation to keep on fighting after a brief talk with a Spider-Man who effectively had no power or hope for the future yet still wanted to protect others.
I still do understand why mutants are discriminated against yet regular superheroes/villains are not
*don't
Marvel's humanity are extremely racist and stupid.
Lore wise, there's a sentient bacteria called Sublime that makes most of humanity irrationally racist against mutants to protect itself( mutants cannot host/ get infected by Sublime). Most writers and fans (rightly) ignore this explanation because it's dumb.
>Most writers and fans (rightly) ignore this explanation because it's dumb.
What's really odd is Morrison opening his run with stuff about cavemen and Neanderthals, explaining the whole replacement threat at the root of why people are so threatened by mutants, but he ends his run with this Sublime retcon, which comes across as the work of a man literally incapable of understanding legitimate fear of The Other.
>Marvel used to be more fair in that every superhero got shit from the common folk for being costumed weirdos
And they'd get it even more whenever they did superhuman stuff while not wearing costumes, because the costumes at least clued people in to expect superhuman nonsense and to stand well back.
>And it generally continued like that up until the 00's, cause in the 90's the X-men actually were pretty well respected even after the mutants as a whole took a big public reputation hit from the Legacy Virus debacle. I'd honestly say that it wasn't until after M-day that it really got messy and confusing since by that point they basically lumped all of the X-men's civilian and villain mutants into the same general "community", and now the only real way you could guess who is and isn't a mutant is if the X-men said so.
It's been going on in various degrees since the 80s, with the X-Men and other mutant groups getting more insular, and occasionally hostile to other heroes, especially when the X-Men are shielding Magneto from facing justice, but things really hit a point of no return in the 2000s, even before M-day.
It's really awful how badly Bendis and other modern writers convinced everyone that Jean has always abused her powers as badly as Emma, just to try and make her look like the worse option of the two. She used to be more moralistic than Xavier about telepathy.
>with the X-Men and other mutant groups getting more insular, and occasionally hostile to other heroes
It's funny, but I honestly feel that it was during the 00's where they had the perfect opportunity to change up that dynamic with groups like the Young Avengers, Runaways, and the students in Avengers Academy running around, essentially having actual superheroes mentoring them or at least seeing the effect their actions are having on their younger counterparts. Hell, there was a whole crossover between the X-men and Avengers Academy with a game of football.
Seriously, it feels like they had a whole opportunity to do something new and creative, and they botched it cause people just want to write more mutant genocide drama.
>they botched it cause people just want to write more mutant genocide drama.
X-Men fandom are honestly their own worst enemy. The way they kept shilling the 2005-2012 extinction era as one of the best eras of X-Men comics ever has just ended up inspiring Marvel to keep repeating it because they heard you liked mutant extinction stories so here's a lot more of them.
The worst part is the only alternative they're capable of doing is 2001-2005 or Krakoa style "mutants are on top and are insufferable buttholes" stories. There's no option for just going back to normal, it's got to be one of those extremes.
About the only real hope is that the 97 cartoon revival brings in newer fans asking where the X-mansion is and why the X-men are so hostile to everyone, but I'm not going to hold my breath
And even before the Young Avengers, Runaways, and Avengers Academy kids, there was the New Warriors, another team with both mutant and non-mutant members.
Ever since Cap's Kooky Quartet, the Avengers accepted Wanda and Pietro who, unlike the X-Men, didn't hide behind masks and were open about being mutants and took in Beast later too.
Don't forget that not only did the Avengers have to deal with people racist against mutants, they also had to deal with people who hated the idea of a robot marrying a human, to the point a terrorist unironically said "Scarlet Witch may be a filthy mutant, but she's at least still human!"
Also, I totally forgot about the Avengers Academy kids. It's crazy just how many teenaged mutants(and teenaged supers in general) were introduced in the first half of the 2000s alone...and how many of them were either killed off as cannon fodder or just completely forgotten about within a few years.
And then the teen heroes of the 2010s just stuck around forever and can't be flushed away like they deserve far more than most of the teen heroes of the 2000s did.
I'm admittedly still low-key pissed how they pretty much ruined the Avengers Academy kids, but I get that having faith in Marvel still is kind of a fool's game.
Honestly, it really depends what era. Marvel used to be more fair in that every superhero got shit from the common folk for being costumed weirdos, with the rub being that the people usually accepting guys like Spider-Man or the X-men were teenagers much like themselves while older folk distrusted them. And it generally continued like that up until the 00's, cause in the 90's the X-men actually were pretty well respected even after the mutants as a whole took a big public reputation hit from the Legacy Virus debacle. I'd honestly say that it wasn't until after M-day that it really got messy and confusing since by that point they basically lumped all of the X-men's civilian and villain mutants into the same general "community", and now the only real way you could guess who is and isn't a mutant is if the X-men said so.
So, honestly, who knows. I could make all kinds of speculation, but I think the real answer is that Marvel doesn't care, and in-universe the amount of terrorist buttholes like Magneto got up to have basically tarred most mutants with an undeserved reputation for being potential supervillains and that superhero mutants are considered the exception and not the norm, if not potential supervillains themselves.
treat them as human beings
the same way as Marvel pre 2004.
That period when everyone hated peter was weird, why did they do that? Like a little dislike fine but this wasn't that.
Basically, they toned down Spider-Man's butthole behavior roughly before they turned everyone else's butthole behavior up for the overall Marvel universe. So you have this in-between period where Spider-Man was actively trying to be a team player kind of guy, and people who've known him for years react much harsher to his quips like he's still a snarky teen way in over his head. Granted, there are times where their annoyance is very warranted, since now his attempts to be a team player can lead to situations that are many degrees more awkward than if he kept them at arm's length.
It's more or less trying to invoke the "everyone is a jerk except Spider-man" vibe that worked with the original Ultimate universe.
Ultimately, that just makes 616 Peter look like an idiot. More than before, I mean.
Does Kamala and Miles dating soon count as a a new mutant non-mutant romance?
That Kamala (and that Gwen) are just Arcade's bots.
Can he actually make someone fake having superpowers like in bigginess.And it's not the first time Kamala been with miles since becoming a mutant. She was helping him out with the latest gang war.
What piece of garbage is that writting? Why Storm wouldn't like Spider-Man, the guy who was vouched by the FF4, Avengers, Captain America and all many times over
>don't like you
That's ridiculous.
She could still dislike him on a personal level even if he’s trusted. Frankly Storm is such a miserable stick in the mud these days I don’t think she’d get along with Spidey at his best, let alone sad sack cucky Peter we’ve got now.