Snoke had a massive scare down his face, like he was cut by something (cough...lightsaber...cough), but apparently he was a clone the whole time controlled by Palpatine, and there were other clones of him in pods in Palpatine's basement that looked the same way. Why would brand new clones be really old dudes with scars on their faces?
This is the problem with not have a planned out story for the trilogy and having each director frick over the previous directors set up. And yes, Rian Johnson fricked up in TLJ by not addressing the mystery boxes properly and leaving nothing for the third film. Did Rian Johnson ever go on record as to what he would have done with a third film if he was in charge, because he left nothing for the next guy to work with?
The Kylo Ren comic even implies that Snoke looks the way he does in part because he got in some kind of fight with Luke. But then all of the Snokes in the Snoke jar have identical scars.
I never cared about Snoke either way but I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
>I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
Because he never cared. There was no plan to begin with.
>Snoke is just some guy in charge of the baddies >leaves it at that
To be fair if he did this (the correct writing decision) and DIDN'T include the line in Rise of Skywalker, people would complain that he's doing another mystery box.
Now who the FRICK is Grand Moff Tarkin's dad??? I've been waiting 30+ years.
I think he was talking about the second of these shit-piles and not the third (I've no desire to watch them again), but I remember a friend of mine praising the decision to just dispense with Snoke without exploring his character at all. As if clumsy backpedalling is praiseworthy now. Taking the time to develop an actual decent character and work out the overall storyline in advance? Why, that's just craziness!
I didn't mind Snoke getting offed to focus on Kylo. The issue is that there were obvious ways to contextualize Snoke a touch without it being a distraction. The Knights of Ren are completely disregarded in TLJ, for example.
> I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
Because the sequel trilogy is just a light remake of the OT. He needed Sheev there tho make it like ROTJ.
>Did Rian Johnson ever go on record as to what he would have done with a third film if he was in charge, because he left nothing for the next guy to work with?
If I recall, it was going to be Josh Trank (Fan4astic). The backstage drama killed his career, but that's besides the point.
The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive.
Simply copying what the first director did for both sequels went against those ideals. Defeated the purpose. I think Rian sucks, but he did what he was hired to do, create something new. He wasn't hired to pretend he was JJ Abrams.
Cinemaphile forgets this point. So it needs repeating. The concept of 3 directors was actually pretty fricking kino. Except JJ was too paint by numbers and Rian was too subversive. Trank is lucky he was removed because he didn't have the skill to put all the pieces back together cohesively. But a kino director could have got the rebound and slammed dunk that b***h! Instead, they went back to JJ and the status quo.
BTW, I haven't commented in a Star Wars thread since Mandolorean S1. Don't know if that's good or bad, just saying my opinion is my own.
>The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive. >The concept of 3 directors was actually pretty fricking kino.
Reminds me of an old trilogy of films called 'Star Wars' - directors: Lucas; Kershner; Marquand.
In fairness only TESB feels like it benefits from a different director. ROTJ is a very flat movie. I'm sure some of that is on Lucas, but Marquand never seemed as invested to me.
>The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive.
Not really. Other franchises have had multiple directors with different styles and backgrounds, to varying success. The concept isn't new or 'kino,' and doing that with at least some kind of framework as to where it would go, even if it got tweaked along the way, would have served the trilogy way better.
The Palpatine we see in The Rise of Skywalker is the Palpatine from the Legends canon who travelled back in time via The World Between Worlds to the mainline Galaxy, in order to teach himself how to build a clone body (and thus cheat death). But since the travel always creates a death/alteration in time, the cloning was imperfect (Snoke) and the "new" Palpatine died.
This isn't even the biggest question I had watching the Sequels. The bigger one was how the frick did the First Order happen, and how was the Republic suddenly the rebels in their own goddamn country?
>ah Mr. Ren… there’s a few sections that are incomplete in your registration form, I see you’re constructing a large space station, how large are we talking here? >uh… the size of moon possibly a small planet >I see… and what purpose does this installation serve? >its for, uh… research >does it have the ability to destroy planets, stars or other celestial bodies? >no. I mean, well… it could but, well we use it for… other things >I see. If you’ll recall we had an incident about 30 years ago where some idiots blew up a planet with a giant space station and when the rebel alliance destroyed it they tried building another one which we also had to destroy at the cost of many lives. So we’re pretty much a hard ‘no’ on applications for new Death Stars. >Death Star? Hahaha, no no no. This is more like a moon. A moon of… doom? A Doom Moon.
The First Order was the coalition of Imperial Remnants set up in the outer reaches of the galaxy beyond the Republic's borders. They struck a deal to live and let live all the while the First Order was planning to return to power.
The Resistance was a literal terrorist faction attacking First Order planets to slow the progress of their gaining strength and weren't formally recognized by the Republic.
That's not important. What's important is that we are the flint that creates the spark that ignites the tinder that will feed the fire that will produce the smoke that will suffocate the First Order.
Why did Disney decide to make a trilogy that took place after episode 6? The first 6 movies had a perfect ending, where Anakin was the chosen one who ultimately fulfilled his prophecy by being redeemed by Luke. Creating any future conflict around the same plot points would just take away from the story as a whole.
They could have had a one-off movie with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher where it puts them in another adventure, but the clear choice was to go far ahead in the future and create a new cast for a trilogy about the height of the Jedi and the Republic, ending where episode 1 takes place.
>They could have had a one-off movie with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher where it puts them in another adventure
The original spin-offs did this and it was fine.
>but the clear choice was to go far ahead in the future
Do you mean the past? They're doing "The High Republic" now I think. I really want Tales of the Jedi (as in, the comics) OG Old Republic.
It wasn't specific to Disney. That's what it was always going to be because Lucas himself always knew it would have immediate interest. I agree we didn't need direct sequels, but I don't think we needed the prequels either.
The problem is we should have had the sequels in the mid to late 90s with the original cast. And they should have had a happy ending after Jedi till the new movie instead of whoops, immediately after everybody's life goes to utter shit and we're going to kill you all off in shitty ways.
somehow
chud, thats not whats important. what IS important is that he returned...
He didn’t.
The Sequels were an embarrassing attempt at a corporate remake of the OT. But they fricking ruined the franchise
In the Dark Empire run (1992), he was "resurrected" in multiple clones.
mouse shills in 2012 :
>your fan fiction is not canon anymore, cope and seethe chud!
mouse shills in 2019 :
>HOWEVER somehow
He returned by coming back
>lightsaber falls down a shaft
>how it survived is a story for another time
>Palpatine falls down a shaft
>how he survived is a story for another time
.............................................................................................somehow...................................................................................................................................................................................
Snoke had a massive scare down his face, like he was cut by something (cough...lightsaber...cough), but apparently he was a clone the whole time controlled by Palpatine, and there were other clones of him in pods in Palpatine's basement that looked the same way. Why would brand new clones be really old dudes with scars on their faces?
This is the problem with not have a planned out story for the trilogy and having each director frick over the previous directors set up. And yes, Rian Johnson fricked up in TLJ by not addressing the mystery boxes properly and leaving nothing for the third film. Did Rian Johnson ever go on record as to what he would have done with a third film if he was in charge, because he left nothing for the next guy to work with?
The Kylo Ren comic even implies that Snoke looks the way he does in part because he got in some kind of fight with Luke. But then all of the Snokes in the Snoke jar have identical scars.
I never cared about Snoke either way but I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
looks like he bought him a rather unflattering toupee tbqh.
>I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
Because he never cared. There was no plan to begin with.
>Snoke is just some guy in charge of the baddies
>leaves it at that
To be fair if he did this (the correct writing decision) and DIDN'T include the line in Rise of Skywalker, people would complain that he's doing another mystery box.
Now who the FRICK is Grand Moff Tarkin's dad??? I've been waiting 30+ years.
>Now who the FRICK is Grand Moff Tarkin's dad???
Grandad Moff Tarkin, not to be mistaken with his dad's dad.
I think he was talking about the second of these shit-piles and not the third (I've no desire to watch them again), but I remember a friend of mine praising the decision to just dispense with Snoke without exploring his character at all. As if clumsy backpedalling is praiseworthy now. Taking the time to develop an actual decent character and work out the overall storyline in advance? Why, that's just craziness!
I didn't mind Snoke getting offed to focus on Kylo. The issue is that there were obvious ways to contextualize Snoke a touch without it being a distraction. The Knights of Ren are completely disregarded in TLJ, for example.
> I don't understand why Abrams felt compelled to resolve it the way he did.
Because the sequel trilogy is just a light remake of the OT. He needed Sheev there tho make it like ROTJ.
I... I dont understand
Wtf is that long hair ? Was snoke a crossdresser or something ?
he's a spooky alien monster (or a clone, or something)
he doesn't owe you any kind of explanation for his appearance or fashion choices
It's a hat.
The frick is that hair piece?!
Snoke looks cute with bangs and long hair. Very Zoey Deschanel
>Did Rian Johnson ever go on record as to what he would have done with a third film if he was in charge, because he left nothing for the next guy to work with?
If I recall, it was going to be Josh Trank (Fan4astic). The backstage drama killed his career, but that's besides the point.
The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive.
Simply copying what the first director did for both sequels went against those ideals. Defeated the purpose. I think Rian sucks, but he did what he was hired to do, create something new. He wasn't hired to pretend he was JJ Abrams.
Cinemaphile forgets this point. So it needs repeating. The concept of 3 directors was actually pretty fricking kino. Except JJ was too paint by numbers and Rian was too subversive. Trank is lucky he was removed because he didn't have the skill to put all the pieces back together cohesively. But a kino director could have got the rebound and slammed dunk that b***h! Instead, they went back to JJ and the status quo.
BTW, I haven't commented in a Star Wars thread since Mandolorean S1. Don't know if that's good or bad, just saying my opinion is my own.
>The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive.
>The concept of 3 directors was actually pretty fricking kino.
Reminds me of an old trilogy of films called 'Star Wars' - directors: Lucas; Kershner; Marquand.
In fairness only TESB feels like it benefits from a different director. ROTJ is a very flat movie. I'm sure some of that is on Lucas, but Marquand never seemed as invested to me.
>The sequels were meant for 3 different talented directors from different fields and backgrounds. The concept was fresh and inventive.
Not really. Other franchises have had multiple directors with different styles and backgrounds, to varying success. The concept isn't new or 'kino,' and doing that with at least some kind of framework as to where it would go, even if it got tweaked along the way, would have served the trilogy way better.
The Palpatine we see in The Rise of Skywalker is the Palpatine from the Legends canon who travelled back in time via The World Between Worlds to the mainline Galaxy, in order to teach himself how to build a clone body (and thus cheat death). But since the travel always creates a death/alteration in time, the cloning was imperfect (Snoke) and the "new" Palpatine died.
>How the frick did Palpatine return?
How?
SOMEhow, that's how.
Nanomachines son
This isn't even the biggest question I had watching the Sequels. The bigger one was how the frick did the First Order happen, and how was the Republic suddenly the rebels in their own goddamn country?
>how the frick did the First Order happen
they filled out the paperwork before anyone else; clue's in the name.
>ah Mr. Ren… there’s a few sections that are incomplete in your registration form, I see you’re constructing a large space station, how large are we talking here?
>uh… the size of moon possibly a small planet
>I see… and what purpose does this installation serve?
>its for, uh… research
>does it have the ability to destroy planets, stars or other celestial bodies?
>no. I mean, well… it could but, well we use it for… other things
>I see. If you’ll recall we had an incident about 30 years ago where some idiots blew up a planet with a giant space station and when the rebel alliance destroyed it they tried building another one which we also had to destroy at the cost of many lives. So we’re pretty much a hard ‘no’ on applications for new Death Stars.
>Death Star? Hahaha, no no no. This is more like a moon. A moon of… doom? A Doom Moon.
Everything in Star Wars has a spooky name, they probably didn't even question "the Death Star".
A good question, for another time.
The First Order was the coalition of Imperial Remnants set up in the outer reaches of the galaxy beyond the Republic's borders. They struck a deal to live and let live all the while the First Order was planning to return to power.
The Resistance was a literal terrorist faction attacking First Order planets to slow the progress of their gaining strength and weren't formally recognized by the Republic.
Sure but they just let them build the death star but better for... reasons
how does this work when they're the remnants who were loyal to a literal Empire/Emperor?
>hey leftover Nazis, we're going to keep doing the whole 'Nazi' thing, except we're Chinese and follow Chairman Mao now, OK?
That's not important. What's important is that we are the flint that creates the spark that ignites the tinder that will feed the fire that will produce the smoke that will suffocate the First Order.
Somehow. It doesn't matter just watch the movie.
Woodoo hide
Why did Disney decide to make a trilogy that took place after episode 6? The first 6 movies had a perfect ending, where Anakin was the chosen one who ultimately fulfilled his prophecy by being redeemed by Luke. Creating any future conflict around the same plot points would just take away from the story as a whole.
They could have had a one-off movie with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher where it puts them in another adventure, but the clear choice was to go far ahead in the future and create a new cast for a trilogy about the height of the Jedi and the Republic, ending where episode 1 takes place.
>They could have had a one-off movie with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher where it puts them in another adventure
The original spin-offs did this and it was fine.
>but the clear choice was to go far ahead in the future
Do you mean the past? They're doing "The High Republic" now I think. I really want Tales of the Jedi (as in, the comics) OG Old Republic.
Frick the games tbqh.
It wasn't specific to Disney. That's what it was always going to be because Lucas himself always knew it would have immediate interest. I agree we didn't need direct sequels, but I don't think we needed the prequels either.
To frick with SW fans, to mock them.
The problem is we should have had the sequels in the mid to late 90s with the original cast. And they should have had a happy ending after Jedi till the new movie instead of whoops, immediately after everybody's life goes to utter shit and we're going to kill you all off in shitty ways.
Somehow
Nobody considers Rise of Skywalker canon. It’s a fricking joke of a movie
He used the force to fly his way from the death star to Exegol. Like Leia did.
The force or some shit
The power of shekels allowed them to bring him back to star in the latest sequel in the disney wars series
the dead speak, didnt you read the crawl?
JJ Abrams so he doesn't have any answers. I'm guessing the route Disney will take it in the future was Palpatine possessed a dying clone.