>the Matrix sequels had all the big plot details spread out over animated shorts and a broken video game no one fricking played so the movies barely made sense >343-era Halo had all the big plot details spread out over comics and books no one fricking read so the games made no sense >Disney-era Star Wars had all the big plot details spread out through books and a fricking Twitter account no one follows so the movies made no sense
why do they do this? people should have learned by now that only the hardest of hardcore fans consume supplemental material for a franchise, to literally the other 95% of the fanbase if it didn't happen on-screen it didn't actually happen
frick, this is half the reason the MCU is tanking right now. no one wants to watch 3 different shows in order to make the upcoming movie make sense
>friend somehow buys into the KH3 hype big time although he has never played one >he goes through fricking every game in chronological order >finishes just in time for launch >when I ask him about it later he didn't even like the game
>make product >have merchandise to sell >let writers write something with no cost to you because they're passionate >writers (subtly) complain their 55 hours of lore and worldbuilding didn't get into the hour long product
That's why
The writers are hacks and the execs don't care
The Sith fleet basically pisses on the OT by making every star destroyer have the same capabilities as the Death Star. A super weapon that took 20 years to build and somewhere in the middle of fricking nowhere they built a fleet of a thousand star destroyers all capable of destroying a planet.
how the frick did they get the technology to do that? Where did they get the resources to build them? How are they going to recruit enough people to fricking crew the things. None of it makes any fricking sense.
JJ and the Story Group are idiots, and weren't thinking of taking the universe seriously, just creating a mindless romp to make money. At least the original series seems to take these mega-projects seriously, where it takes the Empire decades to build the original and second death Stars. The damn thing isn't even complete when it's attacked in Return of the Jedi.
The sequel series has a big problem where the bad guys just wish up entire fleets of ships and soliders out of nowhere without any thought. They could have easily just said the Galaxy is split in half, with Imperial Remnants being 45% and the Republic being 40%, with the rest neutral. Imperial remnants would be a direct successor from the Empire, and its resources.
what the frick are you talking? about trump isn't the president. commies are taking over the west and have already. look at what they are teaching kids, look at the price of shit, look at how horrible media is now. what fascism under trump are you talking about?? the only time I've ever heard of trump over the past 3 years is him running again and the left doing everything they can to cause him problems
>The sequel series has a big problem where the bad guys just wish up entire fleets of ships and soliders out of nowhere without any thought.
admiral statura, have sex
>what if we have a plot about finding out why >we can go on a super secret mission >be undercover >have a daring escape >have a race against time to tell everyone where it is >then have an entire story about assaulting the resupply point/manufacturing complex/ball bearing factory >>No. Not one bit.
It was secretly mined out for the Death Star. After the Emperor died, the high ranked survivors decided to retool it into a super weapon. This was relatively easy because the place had already been mined, it contained stuff to shoot a big laser, and they already had experience building two Death Stars.
Starkiller was planet sized. And literally hollowed out the planet without gravity somehow imploding it. It was also absorbing a fricking star while firing.
>Starkiller was planet sized. And literally hollowed out the planet without gravity somehow imploding it. It was also absorbing a fricking star while firing.
They also just wanted a Death Star laser scene, when just killing the Star would be enough to axe a star system. Star Killer should have just... killed stars. It makes your Sun go super-nova, and everyone goes kabloomy or something.
Viewed in a vaccuum, the shit in TFA can be rationalized (mostly, frick that godamn "you can see the other planets in other solar systems exploding" thing that carried over from JJ Abrams frickin' Star Trek)
The First Order is an insurgency. In fact, they seem to have little more than one battered Star Destroyer, one battalion of Stormtroopers, one wing of Tie Fighters, etc. A privateer force that would be greater than any individual they encounter but far less than what the New Republic could muster against them. Unfortunately, the New Republic prefers to believe the war is over and the Empire is gone and Leia is a schizo who needs to shut the frick up.
This is even shown with their fricking dimestore Sith Lord LARPer whose lightsaber is literally a broken improvised piece of shit but still has a laser edge so still deadly
Are you asking how galaxy that built a moon-sized space station 50 years prior was able to put a laser on a planet?
It was secretly mined out for the Death Star. After the Emperor died, the high ranked survivors decided to retool it into a super weapon. This was relatively easy because the place had already been mined, it contained stuff to shoot a big laser, and they already had experience building two Death Stars.
Y'know what a fougasse is? Essentially, you dig a big hole, fill it with gunpowder, then fill it with projectiles. This was used as improvised artillery everywhere from Cossack Russia to French-Indian Wars to the IRA by people who couldn't obtain actual cannons.
Starkiller, again viewed in a vaccuum where only TFA exists out of the sequel universe, could have easily been some shithole planet that has some bullshit magic crystals in its core or whatever that allow the First Order to use it as a Improvised Death Star. Preferably once, ruining it in the process, but successfully decapitating the New Republic, winning new allies to their side who once supported the Empire but thought it extinct, and plunging the galaxy into an unpredictable anarchy
Unfortunately writing any of that would be hard so 10,000 more Star Destroyers just fell out of their asses and the next two movies are literally Rebels vs Empire over again because everyone sort of forgot "the Rebels" have ruled most of the galaxy since the end of ROTJ
Oh, one more note on Kylo's lightsaber
He's an untrained Jedi himself. He built something expedient and partially functional, its beam constantly wavering, plasma constantly venting to stop it from exploding, if we ever heard what kind of batteries a lightsaber runs on it probably eats them like frickin' tic-tacs. Just like Starkiller can sort of be used as a Death Star, this scrap contraption can sort of be used as a lightsaber. It's also why he's fixated on getting his hands on a "real" lightsaber to replace it.
Works thematically, right? Except after the movie comes out, the supplementary materials reveal it's actually a 5,000 year old design for a Sith Rage Lightsaber and Kylo has constructed it perfectly.
For fantasy sci-fi, that sounds simpler and more realistic than building a moon-sized space station. And by Star Wars standards, the Death Star is old technology compared to Starkiller. Like a steam train vs a maglev train
>he doesn't know about the Suncrusher
Anon, that's basically what they developed, but felt it didn't accomplish the primary objective of the Death Star which was to instill fear. The idea was to never have to fire the laser.
They could have nuked some backwater sector star system like USA nuked two random Japanese cities.
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They literally say in the damn movie that Dantooine is too remote for an effective demonstration so they'll blow up Alderaan instead. They literally looked at the camera and called you specifically a fricking moron
If it powers itself up on a nearby sun, doesn't it destroy said sun? How many suns does it have nearby it before it becomes non-functional because it ran out of suns to power up on??
Reminder that the leader of the First Order was actually a spy working for the Republic and he had to kill five billion people and murder the entire leadership of the Republic in order to maintain his cover
and how would you haul that initial raw material? at first all the material you get would be used to build additional hauling ships in a loop, starting with only one ship. and only THEN could those start amassing the materials to start on the planet.
and what about the warehouses and dockyards and offices and housing and the tools and the material needed to build those? and all of the food you'd need for them. and the fleet you'd need in parallel to the building material fleet to haul all of the food.
The empire built the Death Star because with controlled the entire galaxy. The first order somehow built a even bigger and expensiver Death Star while somehow being seen as a nonexistent threat to the new republic (who demilitarized)
Droids are useless morons and you need to build them still
Why did they staff the death star and pretty much everything else with humans
Even on those stupid no rail posts over endless chasms near radioactive rays
Even that homosexual spearchucker manning the observation post was a meatsack
money and labor
How did they get money? The new republic didn’t think they were even a threat
off galaxy muun bank accounts
capitalism and patriarchy
very carefully
WITH THE POWER OF DUBS
CHECKEM
shameful
>Somehow
Why did palpatine build the starkiller base when he was making 10k Star destroyers with Death Star tech?
First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?
References I understand are the only thing keeping the cringe from eating me alive.
>the Matrix sequels had all the big plot details spread out over animated shorts and a broken video game no one fricking played so the movies barely made sense
>343-era Halo had all the big plot details spread out over comics and books no one fricking read so the games made no sense
>Disney-era Star Wars had all the big plot details spread out through books and a fricking Twitter account no one follows so the movies made no sense
why do they do this? people should have learned by now that only the hardest of hardcore fans consume supplemental material for a franchise, to literally the other 95% of the fanbase if it didn't happen on-screen it didn't actually happen
frick, this is half the reason the MCU is tanking right now. no one wants to watch 3 different shows in order to make the upcoming movie make sense
Disney does it because it’s pure damage control retcons since JJ and Rian didn’t give two shits about world building
>friend somehow buys into the KH3 hype big time although he has never played one
>he goes through fricking every game in chronological order
>finishes just in time for launch
>when I ask him about it later he didn't even like the game
Beyond “How did chief get back to Earth in the third game” what was left out of the Halo games that made them not make sense?
343-era Halo started with Halo 4.
>make product
>have merchandise to sell
>let writers write something with no cost to you because they're passionate
>writers (subtly) complain their 55 hours of lore and worldbuilding didn't get into the hour long product
That's why
The writers are hacks and the execs don't care
I love him for that tweet. I laugh every time I see it
The Sith fleet basically pisses on the OT by making every star destroyer have the same capabilities as the Death Star. A super weapon that took 20 years to build and somewhere in the middle of fricking nowhere they built a fleet of a thousand star destroyers all capable of destroying a planet.
how the frick did they get the technology to do that? Where did they get the resources to build them? How are they going to recruit enough people to fricking crew the things. None of it makes any fricking sense.
imagine if Starkiller Base was what the 3rd movie had been leading up to instead of being wasted as a joke in a lame New Hope retread
JJ and the Story Group are idiots, and weren't thinking of taking the universe seriously, just creating a mindless romp to make money. At least the original series seems to take these mega-projects seriously, where it takes the Empire decades to build the original and second death Stars. The damn thing isn't even complete when it's attacked in Return of the Jedi.
The sequel series has a big problem where the bad guys just wish up entire fleets of ships and soliders out of nowhere without any thought. They could have easily just said the Galaxy is split in half, with Imperial Remnants being 45% and the Republic being 40%, with the rest neutral. Imperial remnants would be a direct successor from the Empire, and its resources.
The Death Star also nearly bankrupted the empire and palpatine was in deep shit because of it
He just printed more money
I’m sure JJs subconcious worked its way into it as well, with all the Nazi imagery.
>if we dont constantly look out for nazis they’re suddenly control the world!
He had a point. Look at the fascism taking root right now under Trump.
what the frick are you talking? about trump isn't the president. commies are taking over the west and have already. look at what they are teaching kids, look at the price of shit, look at how horrible media is now. what fascism under trump are you talking about?? the only time I've ever heard of trump over the past 3 years is him running again and the left doing everything they can to cause him problems
>cultural marxism conspiracy theory
>literal nazi ww2 propaganda
Good fricking job proving his point moron
The original trilogy had that aspect to it as well. Lucas was not shy to admit the Empire was based on a mix of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.
No doubt. But JJ is thinking about the perpetual nazi in his own israeli head.
Which is why the rebels had to become rebels again even though they fricking won at the end of Return.
>The sequel series has a big problem where the bad guys just wish up entire fleets of ships and soliders out of nowhere without any thought.
admiral statura, have sex
this is so stupid and I know we all know its stupid but I want to say why. If you're fighting somebody you'd want to know how they do what they do.
>what if we have a plot about finding out why
>we can go on a super secret mission
>be undercover
>have a daring escape
>have a race against time to tell everyone where it is
>then have an entire story about assaulting the resupply point/manufacturing complex/ball bearing factory
>>No. Not one bit.
It was secretly mined out for the Death Star. After the Emperor died, the high ranked survivors decided to retool it into a super weapon. This was relatively easy because the place had already been mined, it contained stuff to shoot a big laser, and they already had experience building two Death Stars.
And where did they get the manpower and shit necessary for all that? How did they develop the tech that lets starkiller bend space/time while firing?
Snoke's tax policy on the remnants of the empire
Are you asking how galaxy that built a moon-sized space station 50 years prior was able to put a laser on a planet?
Starkiller was planet sized. And literally hollowed out the planet without gravity somehow imploding it. It was also absorbing a fricking star while firing.
>Starkiller was planet sized. And literally hollowed out the planet without gravity somehow imploding it. It was also absorbing a fricking star while firing.
They also just wanted a Death Star laser scene, when just killing the Star would be enough to axe a star system. Star Killer should have just... killed stars. It makes your Sun go super-nova, and everyone goes kabloomy or something.
extinguish the sun and watch the suckers freeze
Viewed in a vaccuum, the shit in TFA can be rationalized (mostly, frick that godamn "you can see the other planets in other solar systems exploding" thing that carried over from JJ Abrams frickin' Star Trek)
The First Order is an insurgency. In fact, they seem to have little more than one battered Star Destroyer, one battalion of Stormtroopers, one wing of Tie Fighters, etc. A privateer force that would be greater than any individual they encounter but far less than what the New Republic could muster against them. Unfortunately, the New Republic prefers to believe the war is over and the Empire is gone and Leia is a schizo who needs to shut the frick up.
This is even shown with their fricking dimestore Sith Lord LARPer whose lightsaber is literally a broken improvised piece of shit but still has a laser edge so still deadly
Y'know what a fougasse is? Essentially, you dig a big hole, fill it with gunpowder, then fill it with projectiles. This was used as improvised artillery everywhere from Cossack Russia to French-Indian Wars to the IRA by people who couldn't obtain actual cannons.
Starkiller, again viewed in a vaccuum where only TFA exists out of the sequel universe, could have easily been some shithole planet that has some bullshit magic crystals in its core or whatever that allow the First Order to use it as a Improvised Death Star. Preferably once, ruining it in the process, but successfully decapitating the New Republic, winning new allies to their side who once supported the Empire but thought it extinct, and plunging the galaxy into an unpredictable anarchy
Unfortunately writing any of that would be hard so 10,000 more Star Destroyers just fell out of their asses and the next two movies are literally Rebels vs Empire over again because everyone sort of forgot "the Rebels" have ruled most of the galaxy since the end of ROTJ
Oh, one more note on Kylo's lightsaber
He's an untrained Jedi himself. He built something expedient and partially functional, its beam constantly wavering, plasma constantly venting to stop it from exploding, if we ever heard what kind of batteries a lightsaber runs on it probably eats them like frickin' tic-tacs. Just like Starkiller can sort of be used as a Death Star, this scrap contraption can sort of be used as a lightsaber. It's also why he's fixated on getting his hands on a "real" lightsaber to replace it.
Works thematically, right? Except after the movie comes out, the supplementary materials reveal it's actually a 5,000 year old design for a Sith Rage Lightsaber and Kylo has constructed it perfectly.
If the Death Star was the Manhattan Project built by renowned scientists, Starkiller was a dirty bomb put together by muds
For fantasy sci-fi, that sounds simpler and more realistic than building a moon-sized space station. And by Star Wars standards, the Death Star is old technology compared to Starkiller. Like a steam train vs a maglev train
Wouldn't it be easier to just blow up the sun by shooting some nukes into it or something?
>he doesn't know about the Suncrusher
Anon, that's basically what they developed, but felt it didn't accomplish the primary objective of the Death Star which was to instill fear. The idea was to never have to fire the laser.
They could have nuked some backwater sector star system like USA nuked two random Japanese cities.
They literally say in the damn movie that Dantooine is too remote for an effective demonstration so they'll blow up Alderaan instead. They literally looked at the camera and called you specifically a fricking moron
maybe... probably could even put the nukes in some kind of large fighter.
If it powers itself up on a nearby sun, doesn't it destroy said sun? How many suns does it have nearby it before it becomes non-functional because it ran out of suns to power up on??
There are hundreds of millions of stars in a galaxy
Reminder that the leader of the First Order was actually a spy working for the Republic and he had to kill five billion people and murder the entire leadership of the Republic in order to maintain his cover
Donnie Brasco got nothin on him
Then he gets shot like a little b***h with no fan fare or anything.
He killed 155 billion actually
that's not what happened
he started snitching after the guy wearnig gold died and kylo broke his bussy
I like how he was immediately killed off, had no plot relevance and nobody cared.
Like all the characters.
and nobody noticed
With excavators, welders, pipe layers..
wouldn't you need infinite energy and infinite materials to get to this point of technology?
And infinite manpower and everyone ignoring the infinite traffic
Shut up chud
I'm sure they could find the materials they need to create a small moon with an entire GALAXY of options, yes.
>infinite manpower
Droids. Jesus Christ.
yeah but how much material would it take to build the fleet of ships needed to haul all of that raw material?
and how would you haul that initial raw material? at first all the material you get would be used to build additional hauling ships in a loop, starting with only one ship. and only THEN could those start amassing the materials to start on the planet.
and what about the warehouses and dockyards and offices and housing and the tools and the material needed to build those? and all of the food you'd need for them. and the fleet you'd need in parallel to the building material fleet to haul all of the food.
They already built them.
The empire built the Death Star because with controlled the entire galaxy. The first order somehow built a even bigger and expensiver Death Star while somehow being seen as a nonexistent threat to the new republic (who demilitarized)
Droids are useless morons and you need to build them still
Why did they staff the death star and pretty much everything else with humans
Even on those stupid no rail posts over endless chasms near radioactive rays
Even that homosexual spearchucker manning the observation post was a meatsack
Frick you, you'll still watch it
What did they do with all the dirt from the thousand mile deep trench?
>build Death Star
Gets blown up
>build bigger Death Star
Gets blown up
>hey guiz I got an idea…
The power of the dark side.
IT'S NOT THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE
>That's a mighty fine gin and tonic, R2
>How bout you mix me up another
I'm surprised no Pokémon peeked out of there.
They didn't. They found it in a Mystery Box.
Sun Crusher would still frick that shit up.