They didn't. They used a ton of animated scenes, this being one of them, and supposedly that was some open secret. Idk anon, it's weird and I'm not even a flat earth homosexual.
It's a camera. For moving pictures. Not every mission used the same ones. Apollo 12 was supposed to be the first to use color cameras but Alan Bean was a clutz. I believe the ascending lunar module was only capture during Apollo 16 and 17.
you know exactly what that anon is referencing, you disingenuous shill c**t. >https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/12/11/how-we-lost-the-ability-to-travel-to-the-moon/?sh=5de8e4e11f48
Ok so there’s nothing on the moon they haven’t found yet and the amount of time and money it’d take is not worth it given the current budget of nasa.
My question is why are some people so desperate to return when everything has been said and done?
2 years ago
Anonymous
science in near zero G. Learning to live in that environment, getting there and back safely and without breaking the bank... stepping stones my homie, stepping stones
2 years ago
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>without breaking the bank
you mean like Elon musk is doing right ?
2 years ago
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thats his money, not ours.
2 years ago
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nothing dependent upon microprocessors is going to cross the van allen belt.
2 years ago
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PAAAAAAANAMA
2 years ago
Anonymous
You might want to go back to watching Tucker and huffing paint before mom gets home and asks for the remote. That's enough stupidity on the internet for one day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
See? This is what I'm talking about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Musk also said we probably never landed on the moon. The guy is just a younger edgier Trump.
2 years ago
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Looks like he's made fun of conspiracy schizos a couple times so I doubt anything changed. He doesn't seem moronic so yeah that's probably what it is.
2 years ago
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optics, science hype etc. on the surface
redpil is something is gonna happen to earth in the near future and they need humans on other planets to survive the human race
Both of you spazzes are planning on abandoning the earth entirely, enough with your apocalyptic scientist bullshit
2 years ago
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optics, science hype etc. on the surface
redpil is something is gonna happen to earth in the near future and they need humans on other planets to survive the human race
2 years ago
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I just wanna find out if it's really hollow or not. Is that so much to ask?
You see the real problem we face is about 40 years ago, they closed the state hospitals and turned all the mental patients loose. The psychiatric establishment felt they could better control the mentally ill with medications, rather than keeping them locked up. So they threw the doors open wide and let the loons loose on the population. One only has to read today's headlines, or search through threads on Cinemaphile, to see the folly of this decision.
We’ve lost a lot of things. The only people willing to put their lives in the hands of an affirmative action mission control crew are themselves affirmative action hires, who simply aren’t capable of a moon shot. We lost space almost as soon as we started exploring it.
>NASA sent a dozen+ rockets into the space but >But is short on film so the footage of humanity's greatest achievement was overwritten because it was the only way
This is how they treated video and film for decades. Its only recently that there has been a push to preserved old media. You have to be at least 18 to post here zoomer.
>the technology was lost
Those old Rocketdyne F-1 engines were hand built by men who have been out of NASA for 40+ years, retired for nearly 20 years, partially senile for at least 15 years, and dead for 10 years. No engine = no Moon.
the issue is the van allen belt, which would fry any microprocessors sent through it.
2 years ago
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>I don't know what rad hardening is and I'm not afraid to flaunt my stupidity
2 years ago
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rad hardening just reduces radiation by percentages, at the cost of massively increasing weight. reducing the radiation that's frying the microprocessors by 99% still results in fried microprocessors.
if you want to test this, next time you get an x-ray, keep your phone.
2 years ago
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Gemini 10 was the mission that got the most exposure from the Van Allen belt (I believe it was intentional). Their radiation levels were still harmless and even far smaller than they had anticipated. And missions to the Moon were planned to the tiniest detail. They even had to launch on a specific day of the month.
2 years ago
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do you know what a microprocessor is and why there weren't any to fry in on the gemini missions?
the issue is the van allen belt, which would fry any microprocessors sent through it.
the real issue is that going to the moon is dangerous. the first few times we did it, we accepted the men might die. nixon even wrote a speech in case it happened. today there would be a million safety controls and safeties for those safeties, and the safeties for the safeties would need to be talked about in meetings where they plan the meetings to design the safeties. nasa isn't going to allow cowboy shit anymore and going back to the moon is still on that level
2 years ago
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>the real issue is that going to the moon is dangerous
dangerous, and for no benefit. there's no cold war arms race.
What possible justification would there be for putting any lives at risk today? Just to please some nerds
2 years ago
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Basically this, with combined with gibs. When Bush 2 talked about increasing the NASA budget he was immediately met by Dems and leftists screeching about MUH INNER CITY CHILDREN. Entities like SpaceX are our only hope because we will give up pushing the final frontier in favor of supporting LaQeesha and her 6 niglers.
In order to get to the moon from orbit you need a translunar injection burn
in order to have sufficient dv to reach the moon with a command module, lander, etc. you will need a lot of fuel
in order to lift a lot of fuel to orbit you need engines capable of doing so
[...]
2 years ago
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2 years ago
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Why is no information known about the starship?
2 years ago
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The superheavy booster isn't finished yet and they're still in the testing phase. If I'm not misremembering, Starship is supposed to be able to be able to take something like 100 metric tons to the lunar surface according to Spacex.
They ran out of funding.
Communism, eh?
2 years ago
Anonymous
This still does not prove that we landed on the moon.
The US was funnelling a huge portion of their budget into the space program in the 60s, it was an entire nation's coordinated effort to build a frickhuge rocket capable of taking men to the moon. That funding is no longer forthcoming, so the only alternative nowadays is to reduce costs and for private spaceflight to foot the bill.
2 years ago
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>frickhuge rocket
Do I need to rewrite the same comment? You have invested all this time "understanding" this subject but you haven't got the slightest idea about basic things? The rockets are big enough dude. Once you're in orbit it's just a little one that pushes you over to the moon. Like 5 other people explained it's not a rocket problem
2 years ago
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>Once you're in orbit it's just a little one that pushes you over to the moon.
Is this some sort of ego-preservation technique? It is factually incorrect to a laughable degree.
Holy shit that might be the dumbest logic I've ever heard in mu whole life up until now. Frick you really must be massively braindead if you really think that's a good explanation for losing the tech
What’s your explanation? You really do have to cultivate these engineering teams, if they’re not nurtured and new people aren’t brought in and taught by the old guard, you really do lose your crack space team
do you think that if they are able to calculate how to launch a fricking lander from the moon back up into orbit to rendezvous with a moon space ship that they are incapable of calculating how much a camera has to pan if you want to capture said launch?
Yes, conspiracy tards are literally this stupid. A remotely swiveling camera, perfectly lined up at a lander, is simply beyond the technology of astronauts who just landed on the fricking moon.
Coming in late, be aware that by now over half of the "doubters" are just low-tier trolls trying to lick up some easy (You)s for the evening.
Why learn and research anything when you can act like a smartass just by saying something nasty you heard once? Seriously these deniers do it for the thrill, of course
2 years ago
Anonymous
People don't come on Cinemaphile to learn things, they come for lulz and to burn off their frustrations at life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just be careful when deciding shit isn’t real lol, for yourself mentally
It’s like a 3 second delay, it’s not that fricking hard to sync. If you saw the gif you’d notice it’s not even locked on perfectly, the camera nearly loses it in frame and it’s not centered
I don’t think it’s that much of a long shot. We were inventing some crazy shit around that time; jet engines, microchips, hydrogen bombs. I think they could have easily found a way to remotely record a takeoff.
This is easily one of the most mundane and technologically easy things about missions to the Moon. Those who are mesmerized by it should perhaps stick to something less complex.
Space toilets were far more complex than fricking cameras because they had to invent the system. And it was even worse during Gemini because the spacecraft was so small (thanks, Gus Grissom) and you practically no room, there was no privacy especially during long duration missions.
>send three men to another celestial body and bring them back safely >clearly they don't have the technology to make a camera that barely tracks a moving object on it's own
Remote controlled camera on the Lunar Rover.
The operator was back in Houston, had to anticipate the movement of the capsule based around the 1.5sec delay in transmission.
It reminds me that there was a delay between mission control and CSM and LEM which made Collins a little embarassed when he said something out of turn like some kind of third wheel.
Poor CLPs. Collins had no regrets about not landing on the Moon but the next in line - Dick Gordon always felt bad about it and he never got over the cancellation of more Apollo missions after 17 (he would've been the commander of one of them). The crew of Apollo 12 were all very good friends unlike those from 11 and Alan Bean, the fourth man on the Moon, felt so bad for Gordon he expressed it in one of his paintings. He was using some of the tools from the mission so his paintings had little bits of the actual Moon on them.
It reminds me that there was a delay between mission control and CSM and LEM which made Collins a little embarassed when he said something out of turn like some kind of third wheel.
A certain event happened in 2004 and since then there is no instant live broadcasting anymore.
>timberlake jackson was 2004
Did I fricking slip dimensions again? I could have sworn there was a teaser trailer for the Matrix Reloaded during that superbowl. I recorded the thing on tape so I could watch it later.
I know, that's what's got me fricked up. I swear there was a commercial break before the halftime show that showed the highway chase scene where the agent jumps onto the hood of the olds aurora or whatever and flips it end over end. But if that was the case why would they be putting out trailers for a movie released almost a year earlier.
I don't like it. Fake schizo conspiracy theories are more boring than the real story. And because people who believe, or pretend to believe are not interested in the real story they don't know what they're missing. I feel bad for them.
it was timed to tilt with a little motor on the camera stand based on a calculated rate of climb of the lander in that gravity. Their biggest fear was that they would blow it over with the accent engine blast
The first time they tried it it failed spectacularly, and the moon lander was in the camera lens for only a half second. I believe it was miscalculation of the time radio signals go from Earth to Moon.
>Just make the set a giant air hockey table
it would need to be a giant vacuum chamber for the dust to fly in parabolic arcs like that instead of scattering
>EVA suit weighs 200lbs >average astromanlet weighs 185lbs >Moon's gravity is 16.6% of Earth's
An astronaut and his EVA suit would weigh 64lbs on the Moon. Just think about it. You could do one handed push ups and it would feel like you're working out with a 45lb dumbbell. Wild stuff.
even the edge from the "surface of the moon" to "space" looks like a shitty jagged mspaint trim job
at least good shoopers these days tend to blur that line
also, has nasa ever explained why when the sun is shining on the surface of the earth, the sky is lit up blue but when it shines on the surface of the moon, the horizon is pitch black nothingness? surely there would be some ambient effect
2 years ago
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>some ambient effect
Of what? The majority of the Sun's visual effect against Earth is the result of it's dense atmosphere. The Moon has no atmosphere.
2 years ago
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>The Moon has no atmosphere.
oops - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LADEE/news/lunar-atmosphere.html
even without that, common sense says that is must have some form of atmosphere because it still has gravity, right? those astronauts supposedly on the moon don't jump and then float out into space
2 years ago
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...what? You don't need an atmosphere to generate gravity you just need sufficient mass
2 years ago
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>still has gravity, right? those astronauts supposedly on the moon don't jump and then float out into space
That has absolutely nothing to do with atmosphere and everything to do with gravity. And other forces work on atmosphere beyond gravity. Atmosphere is not this passive shell that just sits there stationary, held in place by gravity. Radiation tries to burn it off, water and other gases feed it, it roils around under the effect of numerous forces.
On the Moon, gravity basically lost, so there's nothing you could really call atmosphere in a real sense.
2 years ago
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>At sea level on Earth, we breathe in an atmosphere where each cubic centimeter contains 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules; by comparison the lunar atmosphere has less than 1,000,000 molecules in the same volume.
kek
The dust isn't slowly clouding up because it has literally NO AIR to suspend in. Thus it just collapses right back to the surface, which does have SOME gravity and thus exerts the only physical effect on it (other than the astronauts kicking it up). I take it you were expecting it to propel out into deep space or something equally moronic?
Flat earth homosexuals still have no explanation for why you can point a telescope at the moon, right now, today, and still see drive tracks and the landing sites.
>Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not
Everyone knows we went there not everyone is a moron. Something like this will never be a part of the official program. Maybe the Chinese are planning to land themselves in the future only their ship will be bigger and their flag will be greater too.
Actually we didn't >photographic evidence of anomalies/fakery >impossibility of takeoff/landing/coupling of lander with then technology >van allen belts >destroyed photographic evidence/mission data >illogical behavior of gravity/atmosphere
Your bullshit theories don't count, moron you just don't know the topic you're talking about. So stop pretending you even care because you sound pathetic like you're trying to impress someone who actually reads about the topic.
the "race" stopped because it was simply a propaganda tool to pour money into what was effectively missile technology but after the moon landings the public lost interest fairly quickly because the program was obviously plateuing and moon bases and going to mars or whatever seemed completely point or something that was decades away. Then the military just said thanks for the free research and started developing the tech into specialized weapons like the trident, the tomahawk, and other shit.
>Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not
Everyone knows we went there not everyone is a moron. Something like this will never be a part of the official program. Maybe the Chinese are planning to land themselves in the future only their ship will be bigger and their flag will be greater too.
>NASA 1969: we landed on the moon >NASA now: we have no idea how to get to the moon sorry
Right.
Who ever said we have no idea how to get to the Moon? We knew how to do it years before they actually did it. Just like concepts such as space rendezvous, lunar module etc.
>>NASA now: we have no idea how to get to the moon sorry
Work a job long enough and you might come to realize what they mean. Institutional knowledge is a hell of a thing and when you lose it it's a motherfricker to try to claw those capabilities back. It's why if you want your business to run properly you've got to treat your oldheads well even if they're grumpy pieces of shit because if they bail before teaching the younger employees you could lose years worth of high productivity trying to train those younger guys from scratch and they may never figure out some of the shit the old guys had under their belt.
This
The people involved in the space program were on another level form most people today. This is a video interview with a man that worked on the Saturn 5 guidance system for IBM. He has more than a basic understanding of computers, rockets, electronics, physics, etc. And not only that but is able to explain how the techniques used then are applied today, or would be accomplished with today's equipment. Its a long video but well worth watching. This guy and so many others were absolutely badass.
Bonus, Linus Tech Tips is in it, and asks a dumb question or tow.
Private rocket companies weren't even legal until 2001. Between the end of Apollo and 2001 were decades of exactly 0 demand for the kind of engineers that got us to the moon so they all retired and died.
Most of the point of government funded R&D programs is to create expertise in niche industries that don't naturally produce experts via capital pressure. If you do that enough other countries will have to come to you for shit because it's much, much cheaper than trying to grow their own domestic capacity and you will forever have a monopoly on that technology.
>are you telling me we don't have the tech to just point a super strong telescope at the face of the moon?
There are practical limitations of optics with the distances involved. Then you add the complication of atmospheric distortion and it's not so easy. If you were using a reflex mirror telescope and you could position it in orbit outside of the atmosphere it'd have to be something like 50m across to remotely make out an object the size of the lunar lander. To get the kind of image you would like to see taken from the surface of the earth you'd need a damn near perfectly parabolic mirror the size of a fricking footballs stadium. I think at this point you can cheese it a bit with software and pixel interpolation like they use for deep space imaging, but even then you'd still need crazy stabilization and a huge fricking objective.
The only telescope in existence that can see the lunar lander/footpath/flag/etc is ding ding ding owned by NASA. Chinese probs are also unable to detect the lander even though they had exact coordinates.
One of the realities of high level politics, is that there are times when you know someone is lying, they know they are lying, but unless you can prove it, you'll look like a moron if you say it.
The apollo program is unironically the most impressive feat mankind has ever performed. Consider that the people working on apollo were still using slide rulers, and somehow with our modern technology we haven't been able to come close to replicating its success. We haven't even been able to build a rocket that compares to the Saturn V.
Anyone who doubts the feasability of the Apollo program need only read a book like Carrying the Fire. No one is autistic enough to LARP that amount of detail. Not even Tolkien or Yaegars autobiography. Barely involved in Apollo but it lays out the natural progression of engineering that allowed it to be possible. Rather than this sudden leap from WW2 to the Moon Landings like Pop culture history.
anyone who doubts the apollo program needs to get a fricking grip on reality and go outside so they can see how human being actually act when they're lying or doing something secretively
I do look forward to starship and the return of ambition to American space programs.
not to mention getting several hundred thousand people who worked as contractors and subcontractors to keep secrets and lie for their entire lives about the program. It would be and was far easier to just actually go tot he moon.
Why would anyone care if we faked the moon landing if the russians actually landed people on the moon too? It's clear that we had the capacity of space flight and lunar landing.
Did all the moon missions do that thing where once they were in Earth orbit they detached the command module, rotated it, then reconnected it to the lunar lander?
I believe Apollo 14 had an issue with that but they still did it. But I think docking of the lunar module (after its launch from the Moon) and CSM was the riskiest and most complex part of the mission. There were at least 18 possible scenarios in case something went wrong.
>Look I know the US government lies through their teeth to cover up all the horrible shit they do, but you can trust them in this one instance that makes them look good publicly.
>tfw a book from the 70s addresses pretty much every technical, scientific and practical question a layman may have about space travel and Moon landing
Pretty much the only book you have to read to undersand the mechanics behind the program and what it took, how difficult it was. And Collins is a pretty good everyman because he felt he wasn't a particularly great navigator or a scientist.
Well, he felt a little bad when he got promotion to CLP (CLP was technically second-in-command) but later he got Apollo 11 and he enjoyed it. Deke Slayton later asked him if he wanted to go back into rotation (and be the commander of Apollo 17) but he declined and said it was without regret because training for the mission was just so tasking in many different ways and you basically waited years for something that may not happen. He only regreted that he missed the moment Armstrong and Aldrin actually stepped on the Moon (he was on the other side of the Moon at that time). I think Collins has no regrets because he found Earth so much more interesting and he wasn't addicted to space like John Young or Pete Conrad.
He would've been on Apollo 8 if not for horrible spine issues. and surgery. He was replaced by Jim Lovell so I assume if not for that Lovell would've been the CLP for Apollo 11? Collins considered Apollo 8 to be more historically significant in some ways. Its commander Frank Borman had a choice of commanding that or Apollo 9 (low orbit flight, first test of the lunar module) but he chose not to. Borman is currently the oldest living astronaut and he's based as frick also strangely he just doesn't romanticize space so he probably just wanted a significant mission and retire a famous person meanwhile Apollo 9 was a test pilot's dream. If not for that the first crew to land on the Moon would've been the one that eventually flew on Apollo 12 (Conrad-Gordon-Bean).
Good effort but none of these idiots is going to read a book, especially if it challenges their beliefs. They prefer their content to be YouTube videos and Facebook blogs.
It's not related to the scientific aspect of the mission but one of the things that I remember is how Collins described the way test pilots were like in general. Trained to be as calm as possible because excitement is your enemy in such extreme situations. And they generally weren't best with words so when some PR guys annoyed him by complaining about it he said that they should've sent a priest, a poet and a philosopher. Also the crew of Apollo 11 were all introverts who weren't particularly close with each other. And I remembered that because schizos have issues with the post-mission press conference. "I would've been smiling and high-fiving everyone" basically exposing themselves as morons who don't know anything about the space program or the people who were part of it. They're just phonies.
Obviously the next step is for Elon to tweet that, based on his Space X research, it was impossible for americans to have landed on the Moon at all and that he wants NASA to prove it.
In fact, I think he founded Space X just to prove this point.
The Russian never said they acknowledge defeat nor can they confirmed that we landed on the moon. The US media only reported that the Russians admitted defeat.
>The US media only reported that the Russians admitted defeat.
Admit? No. They did accept defeat when they scrapped their N1 rocket and decided to make a copy of the space shuttle.
What really gets me is that russians pretty much killed off all their cosmonauts in horriffic accidents that are well documented.
But americans executed many moon landings flawlessly and just lost a handful of heroes on the side for a bit of drama.
My point being that the more "sensible" plan from a global PR perspective is to launch some astronauts into orbit, say they are going to the Moon, cook up doctored photos and footage and then safely have them land and so on ... There could not be any chance of this mission failing because it would be a huge blunder and US at that point in time needed a strong prestige move because they were fighting off encroaching communism on multiple continents.
Well the most sensible thing would be to successfully send men to the moon and show everyone. If they can do that then they don’t need to fake it or risk scandal
People did die, and I’m supposed to be the midwit when you think they did this all to protect fake astronauts who were either never meant to go to the moon, or to protect real astronauts who have no value without the launch, by not having the launch? Why are we training and protecting these people if they’re not even going to the moon? Like Buzz Aldrin is just a patsy but we could never ever risk him getting hurt! Lol. And again people did die
and? the russians also killed a bunch of people in a preventable nuclear accident while the worst nuclear accident in america was that some people did get the equivalent of a chest x-ray. we also stole a bunch of german rocket engineers before the russians did; that was the real reason our shit worked
Two Soviet missions ended with death of their cosmonauts. Komarov and those three guys who died in space because of decompression. That's it. Others, such as Bondarenko, died in various accidents on Earth. Even Gagarin himself. At the same time NASA lost 8 astronauts (three in Apollo 1 fire, four in T-38 crashes and one in a car accident)
i guess i understand conspiracy theories about the moonlanding but why get so mad about it lmao
are yall mad because nobody takes you seriously, or because you really really really want people to understand how passionate you are about calling historical events fake? how do your wives explain your hobbies?
>surely the chinks would be up for it just for PR purposes
They've sent both landers and rovers to the moon. I don't know why they haven't tried to send humans yet. Might be too pussy.
Americans may come back to the Moon first but they will definitely be the second country to land there. Well they don't have any other competition anyway. They can take their time and focus on other things right now that are more important economically.
>make realistic space movie in 1968 with a modern hollywood hundreds of millions of dollar budget from ??? >??? >?? >moon landing in 1969 >1971 destroy entire set including 100% of the props
i strongly believe it's the russia(formerly ussr) that started this "moon landing was a hoax" psyop. America did something cool and they couldn't deny it because they would look like 70IQ morons and salty losers so they decided to brainwash americans and rob them of their pride by convincing them the coolest thing their nation ever did actually didn't happen. And americans fell for it because so many of them are just moronic subhumans, common clay of the new west, you know, morons.
If those who believe that we never landed on the Moon (not saying it's anyone here, most likely they're just pretend to be moronic for attention) why don't they know anything about the topic they're obsessed with? Anything at all. Any facts, science, history, people who were involved with the program? It's like it's not about the Moon it's about their faith. Even though the conspiracy is so boring compared with the real story it was never about the Moon but about the way they see the world. It's a psychological issue.
it's anti-americanism. They are the same people that suck putin's dick in 2022. Americans hating their own country while at the same claiming their patriotism 24/7. It's pathological.
>They are the same people that suck putin's dick in 2022.
There is a lot of them in Europe, Russia sent money to far right parties for fricking years and now that the world can see that Putin is both moronic and dangerous they for sure shut the frick up since a few months.
>boomers would have you believe they went to the moon 50 years ago but it can't be done again because it "cost a lot of money" and there's "no reason to do it again"
They wanted to be the first but dropped out fairly quickly because Korolev died and they had no suitable replacement. They wanted to send the probe instead but it was a half-assed effort and the probe crashed or something. It was a really wet fart but Americans overtook the Soviets in the race by 1966 anyway.
Well they have their Gagarin. Although getting past the Karman line, even if you're the first man to do it, doesn't seem as cool or significant as first people to leave Earth's gravity or land on another globe. By the time Americans learned how to perform space rendezvous it was all over.
>Well they have their Gagarin.
Yeah, the story says he also became very pacifist after seeing the Earth from above, he's considered an hero but an air force colonel can't really be pacifist in the soviet union.
One day those schizos will realize there was 6 (six) successful human landing missions on the Moon. That's already bogus to think they could fake something like this one time, but 6 times would be beyond moronation.
They're still on the level of believing that Gus Grissom would've been some whistleblower (??) and that the Apollo 11 wasn't happy and articulate enough at their press conference. I don't expect them to learn about other Apollo missions in the near future.
Unmanned missions are not the same. History of space exploration is fairly interesting although even more than the missions themselves (though they are cool too and not just the Moon landings, my favorite program is actually Gemini) I like to learn about the people who were part of it. Their personalities, their individual stories. The human aspect is very important in stories about exploration.
>I like to learn about the people who were part of it. Their personalities, their individual stories. The human aspect is very important in stories about exploration.
you like watching actors perform meme missions and spectacle and be lied to. cool ig, youre in this board after all.
I like reading about history. If you don't feel the same that's ok. At least don't pretend like you're interested in the topic or know anything about it.
It was pretty interesting despite flying exclusively low orbit missions. It really had some highlights like the crisis during Gemini 8, the problems with EVA, exploding target vehicles (and Wally Schirra saving the mission in a split second decision), the angry crocodile of Gemini 9, the fatal crash of Elliot See and Charles Bassett. Maybe because it's less popular than Apollo but even its spacecuits look cool and unique.This is when the biggest future stars from groups 2 and 3 made their debut.
The Soviets missions to venus were a fricking disaster. They landed three probes in a row and the lens caps were all stuck.
We have like six good photos of the Venusian surface
you think astronauts are given guns or suicide pills or something so they off themselves incase something goes horrifically wrong ? i'd rather off myself than literally feel my lungs exploding in my chest if a crack happens in the shuttle or suit
It's an amazing premise and extremely well-written. That's good enough, but it also has some really good performances from some no-name Canadians and the whole thing was made on a shoestring budget with some of the best guerilla filmmaking in any movie ever. >its got 6 on imdb
You dumb homosexual
Why so many people on this thread who pretend to care about the moon landing don't know that NASA will be sending people on the moon again in 2025?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program
It wasn’t so much the technology, it was the infrastructure setup for the Apollo
Missions. A lot of the original brains behind the project died too, and their knowledge went with them. Like the 3 Black queens behind it all.
There are schizos with very simple minds there so it needs to be said very clearly so they understand. The technology to get people to the Moon has been with us since at least Apollo 9 (and in theory for even longer than that) but with Saturn V being the most complex machine of its time it's impossible to perfectly recreate every single one of the millions of elements. Not everything can be traced back or produced. Not every contractor is still in business. So the next rocket that will be used for the Moon landing will be a new machine. As it should be.
The First Man was the last movie that was allowed to be honest. An anomaly because I think Hidden Figures came out before and every new documentary has to mention female pilots who were never considered to be a part of Project Mercury or Ed Dwight, a black pilot who's still complaining he didn't make the cut even though he was "promised" the spot. Except there were pilots who were better than him and he probably would've made the cut for the fifth group. That new Nat Geo version of The Right Stuff would've talked about that but they thankfully cancelled it.
Stop trying to downplay our achievements darkoid
My grandfather has pictures of his station while being a part of communications for the moon landing, seethe more
Your grandpa operated MkUltra control stations in exchange for diluted adrenochrome and then put you on his lap (not for the purpose of fricking you like it usually was) and told you that he worked on the """moon""" """landing""""
They didn't. They used a ton of animated scenes, this being one of them, and supposedly that was some open secret. Idk anon, it's weird and I'm not even a flat earth homosexual.
Wrong. This was filmed with a remote-controlled camera. It's well documented.
so well documented that all the technology was lost.
yeah it plugs right into an outlet
ever heard of a battery?
no he hasn't because he's moronic
Who took this picture?
Aliens.
me
what the frick is this??? looool
so thats a 70s camera with interestellar radio broadcasting capability? in a housing no bigger than a shoe?
>interstellar
Stay in school kid
It won't help. Schools just churn them out the doors now, they don't know anything but how to MS Paint dank pepe memes.
ok but who took the picture and how they did control the timing
It's a camera. For moving pictures. Not every mission used the same ones. Apollo 12 was supposed to be the first to use color cameras but Alan Bean was a clutz. I believe the ascending lunar module was only capture during Apollo 16 and 17.
We don't have cameras anymore?
you know exactly what that anon is referencing, you disingenuous shill c**t.
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/12/11/how-we-lost-the-ability-to-travel-to-the-moon/?sh=5de8e4e11f48
Ok so there’s nothing on the moon they haven’t found yet and the amount of time and money it’d take is not worth it given the current budget of nasa.
My question is why are some people so desperate to return when everything has been said and done?
science in near zero G. Learning to live in that environment, getting there and back safely and without breaking the bank... stepping stones my homie, stepping stones
>without breaking the bank
you mean like Elon musk is doing right ?
thats his money, not ours.
nothing dependent upon microprocessors is going to cross the van allen belt.
PAAAAAAANAMA
You might want to go back to watching Tucker and huffing paint before mom gets home and asks for the remote. That's enough stupidity on the internet for one day.
See? This is what I'm talking about.
Musk also said we probably never landed on the moon. The guy is just a younger edgier Trump.
Looks like he's made fun of conspiracy schizos a couple times so I doubt anything changed. He doesn't seem moronic so yeah that's probably what it is.
Both of you spazzes are planning on abandoning the earth entirely, enough with your apocalyptic scientist bullshit
optics, science hype etc. on the surface
redpil is something is gonna happen to earth in the near future and they need humans on other planets to survive the human race
I just wanna find out if it's really hollow or not. Is that so much to ask?
>what if it were made of barbecue spare ribs?
>hey!
i lost the technology to play 8-track tapes.
i threw away my last VCR two months ago. i found a box of VHS tapes last week. i have lost the technology to play them.
You see the real problem we face is about 40 years ago, they closed the state hospitals and turned all the mental patients loose. The psychiatric establishment felt they could better control the mentally ill with medications, rather than keeping them locked up. So they threw the doors open wide and let the loons loose on the population. One only has to read today's headlines, or search through threads on Cinemaphile, to see the folly of this decision.
>it’s because of transexuals
I honestly doubt it
We’ve lost a lot of things. The only people willing to put their lives in the hands of an affirmative action mission control crew are themselves affirmative action hires, who simply aren’t capable of a moon shot. We lost space almost as soon as we started exploring it.
>NASA sent a dozen+ rockets into the space but
>But is short on film so the footage of humanity's greatest achievement was overwritten because it was the only way
This is how they treated video and film for decades. Its only recently that there has been a push to preserved old media. You have to be at least 18 to post here zoomer.
ya for plays and shit not landing on the goddam moon
>the technology was lost
Those old Rocketdyne F-1 engines were hand built by men who have been out of NASA for 40+ years, retired for nearly 20 years, partially senile for at least 15 years, and dead for 10 years. No engine = no Moon.
You wrote all this nerd info out but didn't have the brain to think that the part that's hard isn't the lift to orbit, which is done daily?
the issue is the van allen belt, which would fry any microprocessors sent through it.
>I don't know what rad hardening is and I'm not afraid to flaunt my stupidity
rad hardening just reduces radiation by percentages, at the cost of massively increasing weight. reducing the radiation that's frying the microprocessors by 99% still results in fried microprocessors.
if you want to test this, next time you get an x-ray, keep your phone.
Gemini 10 was the mission that got the most exposure from the Van Allen belt (I believe it was intentional). Their radiation levels were still harmless and even far smaller than they had anticipated. And missions to the Moon were planned to the tiniest detail. They even had to launch on a specific day of the month.
do you know what a microprocessor is and why there weren't any to fry in on the gemini missions?
the real issue is that going to the moon is dangerous. the first few times we did it, we accepted the men might die. nixon even wrote a speech in case it happened. today there would be a million safety controls and safeties for those safeties, and the safeties for the safeties would need to be talked about in meetings where they plan the meetings to design the safeties. nasa isn't going to allow cowboy shit anymore and going back to the moon is still on that level
>the real issue is that going to the moon is dangerous
dangerous, and for no benefit. there's no cold war arms race.
What possible justification would there be for putting any lives at risk today? Just to please some nerds
Basically this, with combined with gibs. When Bush 2 talked about increasing the NASA budget he was immediately met by Dems and leftists screeching about MUH INNER CITY CHILDREN. Entities like SpaceX are our only hope because we will give up pushing the final frontier in favor of supporting LaQeesha and her 6 niglers.
In order to get to the moon from orbit you need a translunar injection burn
in order to have sufficient dv to reach the moon with a command module, lander, etc. you will need a lot of fuel
in order to lift a lot of fuel to orbit you need engines capable of doing so
Why is no information known about the starship?
The superheavy booster isn't finished yet and they're still in the testing phase. If I'm not misremembering, Starship is supposed to be able to be able to take something like 100 metric tons to the lunar surface according to Spacex.
Communism, eh?
This still does not prove that we landed on the moon.
Thanks for the explanation anon
The US was funnelling a huge portion of their budget into the space program in the 60s, it was an entire nation's coordinated effort to build a frickhuge rocket capable of taking men to the moon. That funding is no longer forthcoming, so the only alternative nowadays is to reduce costs and for private spaceflight to foot the bill.
>frickhuge rocket
Do I need to rewrite the same comment? You have invested all this time "understanding" this subject but you haven't got the slightest idea about basic things? The rockets are big enough dude. Once you're in orbit it's just a little one that pushes you over to the moon. Like 5 other people explained it's not a rocket problem
>Once you're in orbit it's just a little one that pushes you over to the moon.
Is this some sort of ego-preservation technique? It is factually incorrect to a laughable degree.
Holy shit that might be the dumbest logic I've ever heard in mu whole life up until now. Frick you really must be massively braindead if you really think that's a good explanation for losing the tech
What’s your explanation? You really do have to cultivate these engineering teams, if they’re not nurtured and new people aren’t brought in and taught by the old guard, you really do lose your crack space team
>just remote control a camera and make a perfect cinematic shot during an extremely complex take-off bro
do you think that if they are able to calculate how to launch a fricking lander from the moon back up into orbit to rendezvous with a moon space ship that they are incapable of calculating how much a camera has to pan if you want to capture said launch?
>pan
Sorry we aren't Hollywood gays like you who the frick even likes movies and television?
Yes, conspiracy tards are literally this stupid. A remotely swiveling camera, perfectly lined up at a lander, is simply beyond the technology of astronauts who just landed on the fricking moon.
Coming in late, be aware that by now over half of the "doubters" are just low-tier trolls trying to lick up some easy (You)s for the evening.
Why learn and research anything when you can act like a smartass just by saying something nasty you heard once? Seriously these deniers do it for the thrill, of course
People don't come on Cinemaphile to learn things, they come for lulz and to burn off their frustrations at life.
Just be careful when deciding shit isn’t real lol, for yourself mentally
its pretty amazing what people can do with a bit of practice and training
yes
It’s like a 3 second delay, it’s not that fricking hard to sync. If you saw the gif you’d notice it’s not even locked on perfectly, the camera nearly loses it in frame and it’s not centered
The bouncing bombs used to destroy the German dams in ww2 used physical sights
White men figured it out. Such feats are not rare for us
I don’t think it’s that much of a long shot. We were inventing some crazy shit around that time; jet engines, microchips, hydrogen bombs. I think they could have easily found a way to remotely record a takeoff.
This is easily one of the most mundane and technologically easy things about missions to the Moon. Those who are mesmerized by it should perhaps stick to something less complex.
Space toilets were far more complex than fricking cameras because they had to invent the system. And it was even worse during Gemini because the spacecraft was so small (thanks, Gus Grissom) and you practically no room, there was no privacy especially during long duration missions.
You can't post anything wothout mockery because you're an Alinskyian ghoul.
>send three men to another celestial body and bring them back safely
>clearly they don't have the technology to make a camera that barely tracks a moving object on it's own
they left a man behind who had to film it
But how did they get the film from him if he was left behind??
He threw it down to the earth obviously
He mailed it.
Remote controlled camera on the Lunar Rover.
The operator was back in Houston, had to anticipate the movement of the capsule based around the 1.5sec delay in transmission.
Sounds like a thing that would impeccably play out in the only one go they ever got.
they tried it in the previous mission and didn't work, this was their 2nd and last attempt
>Yet people talking to guests on the news have a full 3 second delay in 2022.
K.
It reminds me that there was a delay between mission control and CSM and LEM which made Collins a little embarassed when he said something out of turn like some kind of third wheel.
Poor CLPs. Collins had no regrets about not landing on the Moon but the next in line - Dick Gordon always felt bad about it and he never got over the cancellation of more Apollo missions after 17 (he would've been the commander of one of them). The crew of Apollo 12 were all very good friends unlike those from 11 and Alan Bean, the fourth man on the Moon, felt so bad for Gordon he expressed it in one of his paintings. He was using some of the tools from the mission so his paintings had little bits of the actual Moon on them.
I mean CMPs
A certain event happened in 2004 and since then there is no instant live broadcasting anymore.
>timberlake jackson was 2004
Did I fricking slip dimensions again? I could have sworn there was a teaser trailer for the Matrix Reloaded during that superbowl. I recorded the thing on tape so I could watch it later.
Matrix Reloaded was 2003
I know, that's what's got me fricked up. I swear there was a commercial break before the halftime show that showed the highway chase scene where the agent jumps onto the hood of the olds aurora or whatever and flips it end over end. But if that was the case why would they be putting out trailers for a movie released almost a year earlier.
never heard of selfie sticks?
Believe the science
rip cameraman
sweet
another schizo thread
I don't like it. Fake schizo conspiracy theories are more boring than the real story. And because people who believe, or pretend to believe are not interested in the real story they don't know what they're missing. I feel bad for them.
>you’re telling me a shrimp filmed this launch?
>I can understand them building a fricking rocket ship and putting men on the moon that has no air
>BUT HOW DID THEY WORK A CAMERA
it was timed to tilt with a little motor on the camera stand based on a calculated rate of climb of the lander in that gravity. Their biggest fear was that they would blow it over with the accent engine blast
The first time they tried it it failed spectacularly, and the moon lander was in the camera lens for only a half second. I believe it was miscalculation of the time radio signals go from Earth to Moon.
Is it true that normies believe the moon landing was broadcasted live on television?
who doesn't believe that exactly
>Is it true that the moon landing was broadcasted live on television?
yes
my grandfather watched it live and he said he thought it was bullshit. I think they really went there though
Russian technology
If they really got men on the moon, why the frick would you think something like this would be even remotely difficult? Use your brain, moron.
Shut the frick up you fricking homosexual.
literally me
they cute
They're like Teletubbies!
it's literally impossible to fake how much the dust kicks up with every hop
It's easy. Just make the set a giant air hockey table
>Just make the set a giant air hockey table
it would need to be a giant vacuum chamber for the dust to fly in parabolic arcs like that instead of scattering
me on the left
It's so fake. Boomers are brain dead.
Look at them go!
the comedic hammering speed at the start literally gives it away that the whole thing is sped up 2 or 3 times normal
theyre seeing our faces, bros.
It's cool how easy they just push themselves up after falling, playing around in lower gravity looks fun
>EVA suit weighs 200lbs
>average astromanlet weighs 185lbs
>Moon's gravity is 16.6% of Earth's
An astronaut and his EVA suit would weigh 64lbs on the Moon. Just think about it. You could do one handed push ups and it would feel like you're working out with a 45lb dumbbell. Wild stuff.
You can feel a similar effect by lifting things underwater
Enjoy lads
>playback speed: 2
The video is interpolated, anon.
even the edge from the "surface of the moon" to "space" looks like a shitty jagged mspaint trim job
at least good shoopers these days tend to blur that line
also, has nasa ever explained why when the sun is shining on the surface of the earth, the sky is lit up blue but when it shines on the surface of the moon, the horizon is pitch black nothingness? surely there would be some ambient effect
>some ambient effect
Of what? The majority of the Sun's visual effect against Earth is the result of it's dense atmosphere. The Moon has no atmosphere.
>The Moon has no atmosphere.
oops - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LADEE/news/lunar-atmosphere.html
even without that, common sense says that is must have some form of atmosphere because it still has gravity, right? those astronauts supposedly on the moon don't jump and then float out into space
...what? You don't need an atmosphere to generate gravity you just need sufficient mass
>still has gravity, right? those astronauts supposedly on the moon don't jump and then float out into space
That has absolutely nothing to do with atmosphere and everything to do with gravity. And other forces work on atmosphere beyond gravity. Atmosphere is not this passive shell that just sits there stationary, held in place by gravity. Radiation tries to burn it off, water and other gases feed it, it roils around under the effect of numerous forces.
On the Moon, gravity basically lost, so there's nothing you could really call atmosphere in a real sense.
>At sea level on Earth, we breathe in an atmosphere where each cubic centimeter contains 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules; by comparison the lunar atmosphere has less than 1,000,000 molecules in the same volume.
kek
I love the low G dust arcs off the wheels
who was controlling the camara?
him
Love how the dust and the rock he drops are not affected by low gravity
The video is sped up.
The dust isn't slowly clouding up because it has literally NO AIR to suspend in. Thus it just collapses right back to the surface, which does have SOME gravity and thus exerts the only physical effect on it (other than the astronauts kicking it up). I take it you were expecting it to propel out into deep space or something equally moronic?
Flat earth homosexuals still have no explanation for why you can point a telescope at the moon, right now, today, and still see drive tracks and the landing sites.
>nooo you don't understand! we don't have the technology to look at small things on the Moon, this is simply impossible
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Depends either the Ruskies agreed that this race was stupid and pretended they saw people walking on the moon. Or we actually went there.
Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not but their rockets carrying the drone to investigate keeps blowing up.
>Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not
Everyone knows we went there not everyone is a moron. Something like this will never be a part of the official program. Maybe the Chinese are planning to land themselves in the future only their ship will be bigger and their flag will be greater too.
Actually we didn't
>photographic evidence of anomalies/fakery
>impossibility of takeoff/landing/coupling of lander with then technology
>van allen belts
>destroyed photographic evidence/mission data
>illogical behavior of gravity/atmosphere
Your bullshit theories don't count, moron you just don't know the topic you're talking about. So stop pretending you even care because you sound pathetic like you're trying to impress someone who actually reads about the topic.
Yeah, you drew blood.
the "race" stopped because it was simply a propaganda tool to pour money into what was effectively missile technology but after the moon landings the public lost interest fairly quickly because the program was obviously plateuing and moon bases and going to mars or whatever seemed completely point or something that was decades away. Then the military just said thanks for the free research and started developing the tech into specialized weapons like the trident, the tomahawk, and other shit.
>NASA 1969: we landed on the moon
>NASA now: we have no idea how to get to the moon sorry
Right.
Oh sure they know how to land on the moon, you just build a giant rocket. No rocket, no moon missions.
Who ever said we have no idea how to get to the Moon? We knew how to do it years before they actually did it. Just like concepts such as space rendezvous, lunar module etc.
>>NASA now: we have no idea how to get to the moon sorry
Work a job long enough and you might come to realize what they mean. Institutional knowledge is a hell of a thing and when you lose it it's a motherfricker to try to claw those capabilities back. It's why if you want your business to run properly you've got to treat your oldheads well even if they're grumpy pieces of shit because if they bail before teaching the younger employees you could lose years worth of high productivity trying to train those younger guys from scratch and they may never figure out some of the shit the old guys had under their belt.
This
The people involved in the space program were on another level form most people today. This is a video interview with a man that worked on the Saturn 5 guidance system for IBM. He has more than a basic understanding of computers, rockets, electronics, physics, etc. And not only that but is able to explain how the techniques used then are applied today, or would be accomplished with today's equipment. Its a long video but well worth watching. This guy and so many others were absolutely badass.
Bonus, Linus Tech Tips is in it, and asks a dumb question or tow.
Private rocket companies weren't even legal until 2001. Between the end of Apollo and 2001 were decades of exactly 0 demand for the kind of engineers that got us to the moon so they all retired and died.
Most of the point of government funded R&D programs is to create expertise in niche industries that don't naturally produce experts via capital pressure. If you do that enough other countries will have to come to you for shit because it's much, much cheaper than trying to grow their own domestic capacity and you will forever have a monopoly on that technology.
>Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not
no, they aren't
>Now the chinks are trying to investigate if we actually went their or not
are you telling me we don't have the tech to just point a super strong telescope at the face of the moon?
I mean we have the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, but schizos would probably just say the photos from LROC are fake.
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/
Robotic lunar rovers have been to the moon. Humans have not.
why does this look like those shitty blurry lod textures lacking anisotropic filtering from mid-2000s video games?
The terrain in the distance is not in focus but also not obscured by an atmosphere.
>are you telling me we don't have the tech to just point a super strong telescope at the face of the moon?
There are practical limitations of optics with the distances involved. Then you add the complication of atmospheric distortion and it's not so easy. If you were using a reflex mirror telescope and you could position it in orbit outside of the atmosphere it'd have to be something like 50m across to remotely make out an object the size of the lunar lander. To get the kind of image you would like to see taken from the surface of the earth you'd need a damn near perfectly parabolic mirror the size of a fricking footballs stadium. I think at this point you can cheese it a bit with software and pixel interpolation like they use for deep space imaging, but even then you'd still need crazy stabilization and a huge fricking objective.
No.
The only telescope in existence that can see the lunar lander/footpath/flag/etc is ding ding ding owned by NASA. Chinese probs are also unable to detect the lander even though they had exact coordinates.
https://archive dot ph/rhMZS
One of the realities of high level politics, is that there are times when you know someone is lying, they know they are lying, but unless you can prove it, you'll look like a moron if you say it.
Don't think about it
This looks like that shitty Starfield game
The Starfield that already has a dozen award nominations despite not being out yet?
why come you cant see a star hmmmmm?
For the same reason in space stars don't "twinkle". But you don't care either way it's not about knowledge you don't give a frick.
>
Camera on the rover, you fricking moron
bros why dont other countries land on the moon?
The apollo program is unironically the most impressive feat mankind has ever performed. Consider that the people working on apollo were still using slide rulers, and somehow with our modern technology we haven't been able to come close to replicating its success. We haven't even been able to build a rocket that compares to the Saturn V.
There is another.
Anyone who doubts the feasability of the Apollo program need only read a book like Carrying the Fire. No one is autistic enough to LARP that amount of detail. Not even Tolkien or Yaegars autobiography. Barely involved in Apollo but it lays out the natural progression of engineering that allowed it to be possible. Rather than this sudden leap from WW2 to the Moon Landings like Pop culture history.
anyone who doubts the apollo program needs to get a fricking grip on reality and go outside so they can see how human being actually act when they're lying or doing something secretively
I do look forward to starship and the return of ambition to American space programs.
>see how human being actually act when they're lying or doing something secretively
There are no universal certainties for detecting lies, or we'd have accurate lie detector tests.
not to mention getting several hundred thousand people who worked as contractors and subcontractors to keep secrets and lie for their entire lives about the program. It would be and was far easier to just actually go tot he moon.
Hey is this the army? Uh who shot the moon landing?
based wkuk poster
Why would anyone care if we faked the moon landing if the russians actually landed people on the moon too? It's clear that we had the capacity of space flight and lunar landing.
Oh wow, the US produces propaganda, you got em.
The russians faked the moon landing too moron, the US and USSR were both in on it
/pol/gays btfo by /film/ chad
Dude's a gay but he did bring up a novel point. Most people don't ever even think of logistics for the feasibility of projects.
Did all the moon missions do that thing where once they were in Earth orbit they detached the command module, rotated it, then reconnected it to the lunar lander?
Yes they were all essentially identical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transposition,_docking,_and_extraction
I believe Apollo 14 had an issue with that but they still did it. But I think docking of the lunar module (after its launch from the Moon) and CSM was the riskiest and most complex part of the mission. There were at least 18 possible scenarios in case something went wrong.
>Look I know the US government lies through their teeth to cover up all the horrible shit they do, but you can trust them in this one instance that makes them look good publicly.
There were like 5 moon landings.
We landed 'something' on the moon, I just highly doubt it was a module that carried men or is capable of flying back from there.
>tfw a book from the 70s addresses pretty much every technical, scientific and practical question a layman may have about space travel and Moon landing
Pretty much the only book you have to read to undersand the mechanics behind the program and what it took, how difficult it was. And Collins is a pretty good everyman because he felt he wasn't a particularly great navigator or a scientist.
Is he bitter at all about making the trip but not being able to step on the moon
Well, he felt a little bad when he got promotion to CLP (CLP was technically second-in-command) but later he got Apollo 11 and he enjoyed it. Deke Slayton later asked him if he wanted to go back into rotation (and be the commander of Apollo 17) but he declined and said it was without regret because training for the mission was just so tasking in many different ways and you basically waited years for something that may not happen. He only regreted that he missed the moment Armstrong and Aldrin actually stepped on the Moon (he was on the other side of the Moon at that time). I think Collins has no regrets because he found Earth so much more interesting and he wasn't addicted to space like John Young or Pete Conrad.
He would've been on Apollo 8 if not for horrible spine issues. and surgery. He was replaced by Jim Lovell so I assume if not for that Lovell would've been the CLP for Apollo 11? Collins considered Apollo 8 to be more historically significant in some ways. Its commander Frank Borman had a choice of commanding that or Apollo 9 (low orbit flight, first test of the lunar module) but he chose not to. Borman is currently the oldest living astronaut and he's based as frick also strangely he just doesn't romanticize space so he probably just wanted a significant mission and retire a famous person meanwhile Apollo 9 was a test pilot's dream. If not for that the first crew to land on the Moon would've been the one that eventually flew on Apollo 12 (Conrad-Gordon-Bean).
Good effort but none of these idiots is going to read a book, especially if it challenges their beliefs. They prefer their content to be YouTube videos and Facebook blogs.
Don't forget Twitter screencaps!
>They prefer free exchange of information
Yes.
>foreword by Charles A. Lindbergh
based
It's not related to the scientific aspect of the mission but one of the things that I remember is how Collins described the way test pilots were like in general. Trained to be as calm as possible because excitement is your enemy in such extreme situations. And they generally weren't best with words so when some PR guys annoyed him by complaining about it he said that they should've sent a priest, a poet and a philosopher. Also the crew of Apollo 11 were all introverts who weren't particularly close with each other. And I remembered that because schizos have issues with the post-mission press conference. "I would've been smiling and high-fiving everyone" basically exposing themselves as morons who don't know anything about the space program or the people who were part of it. They're just phonies.
>its a Cinemaphile is full of schizos and science deniers episode
Its all so tiring.
Obviously the next step is for Elon to tweet that, based on his Space X research, it was impossible for americans to have landed on the Moon at all and that he wants NASA to prove it.
In fact, I think he founded Space X just to prove this point.
https://www.history.com/news/space-race-soviet-union-moon-landing-denial
The Russian never said they acknowledge defeat nor can they confirmed that we landed on the moon. The US media only reported that the Russians admitted defeat.
>The US media only reported that the Russians admitted defeat.
Admit? No. They did accept defeat when they scrapped their N1 rocket and decided to make a copy of the space shuttle.
They ran out of funding.
>If they could do it then they could do it now!
About as well as this lot could liberate France.
What really gets me is that russians pretty much killed off all their cosmonauts in horriffic accidents that are well documented.
But americans executed many moon landings flawlessly and just lost a handful of heroes on the side for a bit of drama.
My point being that the more "sensible" plan from a global PR perspective is to launch some astronauts into orbit, say they are going to the Moon, cook up doctored photos and footage and then safely have them land and so on ... There could not be any chance of this mission failing because it would be a huge blunder and US at that point in time needed a strong prestige move because they were fighting off encroaching communism on multiple continents.
Well the most sensible thing would be to successfully send men to the moon and show everyone. If they can do that then they don’t need to fake it or risk scandal
The point is that sending people to the Moon is risky so why not just fake it to ensure a 100% success rate, midwit.
People did die, and I’m supposed to be the midwit when you think they did this all to protect fake astronauts who were either never meant to go to the moon, or to protect real astronauts who have no value without the launch, by not having the launch? Why are we training and protecting these people if they’re not even going to the moon? Like Buzz Aldrin is just a patsy but we could never ever risk him getting hurt! Lol. And again people did die
Define Freemasonry.
and? the russians also killed a bunch of people in a preventable nuclear accident while the worst nuclear accident in america was that some people did get the equivalent of a chest x-ray. we also stole a bunch of german rocket engineers before the russians did; that was the real reason our shit worked
Two Soviet missions ended with death of their cosmonauts. Komarov and those three guys who died in space because of decompression. That's it. Others, such as Bondarenko, died in various accidents on Earth. Even Gagarin himself. At the same time NASA lost 8 astronauts (three in Apollo 1 fire, four in T-38 crashes and one in a car accident)
Someone with brains.
OP sure was dumb today
i guess i understand conspiracy theories about the moonlanding but why get so mad about it lmao
are yall mad because nobody takes you seriously, or because you really really really want people to understand how passionate you are about calling historical events fake? how do your wives explain your hobbies?
homie
I know it would be incredibly wasteful but why have we not gone back in like 60 years
surely the chinks would be up for it just for PR purposes
>surely the chinks would be up for it just for PR purposes
They've sent both landers and rovers to the moon. I don't know why they haven't tried to send humans yet. Might be too pussy.
Americans may come back to the Moon first but they will definitely be the second country to land there. Well they don't have any other competition anyway. They can take their time and focus on other things right now that are more important economically.
If the moon landing was faked, does that mean the moon is also fake?
No it’s a circle on a round dome firmament
>they could send HD footage films from the moon instantly
>it took hours to download 1 jpg image for the next 50 years using dial-up
Lmao why are ameriburgers so dumb?
>hasn't been repeated in 50 years
>50 years
C'mon now...how gullible are you?
with a camera
dishonest as frick I know
400,000 people were employed by NASA for the Apollo missions.
They were all in on it
My grandfather included
seriously? That's cool.
The US Government employs millions of people, this doesn't mean that the fricking mailman knows what is happening in the Pentagon.
..the people in nasa know what’s going on in nasa you troglodyte
>my grandfather who was a janitor at NASA said we landed on the moon
>t-trust me bro
Sure thing.
Secrets are incredibly easy to keep. Just mock anyone who believes they're true. Naked Emperors.
That must explain why everyone mocks you
>launch while filming
>come down and get the camera
>launch again
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/why-stanley-kubrick-destroyed-all-the-2001-a-space-odyssey-props/
>make realistic space movie in 1968 with a modern hollywood hundreds of millions of dollar budget from ???
>???
>??
>moon landing in 1969
>1971 destroy entire set including 100% of the props
Gee what a coincidence.
>realistic
kek zoomers have never watched 2001
i strongly believe it's the russia(formerly ussr) that started this "moon landing was a hoax" psyop. America did something cool and they couldn't deny it because they would look like 70IQ morons and salty losers so they decided to brainwash americans and rob them of their pride by convincing them the coolest thing their nation ever did actually didn't happen. And americans fell for it because so many of them are just moronic subhumans, common clay of the new west, you know, morons.
Realistically very few people believe the moon landing was faked, so don’t think any psychological attack was really successful there
>Realistically very few people believe the moon landing was faked
90% of americans on the internet
No lol
>so many of them are just moronic subhumans, common clay of the new west, you know, morons
Best Post Today Quoting Blazing Saddles Award
after the required redditt spacing, I present this anon a lauryl... and hearty handshake
Christ look at you
>Russian hoax
Sure.
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Very carefully.
Imagine—if you will—a world where the braindead masses cared as much about the moon landings as the hoaxers do....
If those who believe that we never landed on the Moon (not saying it's anyone here, most likely they're just pretend to be moronic for attention) why don't they know anything about the topic they're obsessed with? Anything at all. Any facts, science, history, people who were involved with the program? It's like it's not about the Moon it's about their faith. Even though the conspiracy is so boring compared with the real story it was never about the Moon but about the way they see the world. It's a psychological issue.
it's anti-americanism. They are the same people that suck putin's dick in 2022. Americans hating their own country while at the same claiming their patriotism 24/7. It's pathological.
>They are the same people that suck putin's dick in 2022.
There is a lot of them in Europe, Russia sent money to far right parties for fricking years and now that the world can see that Putin is both moronic and dangerous they for sure shut the frick up since a few months.
Do you believe Sandy Hook happened?
>boomers would have you believe they went to the moon 50 years ago but it can't be done again because it "cost a lot of money" and there's "no reason to do it again"
>just trust the US government in the 50s/60s/70 when their entire prestige on the global stage is on the line, why would they lie
not an argument
but the soviet union's was too, and they had every incentive as well as ability to call the us out if they were lying
Apparently the Soviets went along with the story of having their space program's ass kicked for raisins.
They wanted to be the first but dropped out fairly quickly because Korolev died and they had no suitable replacement. They wanted to send the probe instead but it was a half-assed effort and the probe crashed or something. It was a really wet fart but Americans overtook the Soviets in the race by 1966 anyway.
they sent like 10 probes after apollo. a few failed but most were successful
You clearly have no idea how important the space program was for the Soviets. Losing the Moon landing race was a propaganda disaster.
Well they have their Gagarin. Although getting past the Karman line, even if you're the first man to do it, doesn't seem as cool or significant as first people to leave Earth's gravity or land on another globe. By the time Americans learned how to perform space rendezvous it was all over.
>Well they have their Gagarin.
Yeah, the story says he also became very pacifist after seeing the Earth from above, he's considered an hero but an air force colonel can't really be pacifist in the soviet union.
Anon, using logic doesn't work with them. They're the same kind of morons who think the Earth is flat.
Why don’t any of the schizos just say the Soviets didn’t know?
>as soon as the tech to detect the BS advanced far enough the moon landings got discontinued
Similar to how UFO sightings and interest in them pretty much evaporated as soon as everyone started carrying around a high resolution camera phone.
One day those schizos will realize there was 6 (six) successful human landing missions on the Moon. That's already bogus to think they could fake something like this one time, but 6 times would be beyond moronation.
They're still on the level of believing that Gus Grissom would've been some whistleblower (??) and that the Apollo 11 wasn't happy and articulate enough at their press conference. I don't expect them to learn about other Apollo missions in the near future.
soviets' expositions to Venus were far more interesting imo
>confirmed it was literal Hell: the planet
Unmanned missions are not the same. History of space exploration is fairly interesting although even more than the missions themselves (though they are cool too and not just the Moon landings, my favorite program is actually Gemini) I like to learn about the people who were part of it. Their personalities, their individual stories. The human aspect is very important in stories about exploration.
Okay buddy but probing a toxic planet is extremely significant, no need to try and undercut it
>I like to learn about the people who were part of it. Their personalities, their individual stories. The human aspect is very important in stories about exploration.
you like watching actors perform meme missions and spectacle and be lied to. cool ig, youre in this board after all.
I like reading about history. If you don't feel the same that's ok. At least don't pretend like you're interested in the topic or know anything about it.
why is Gemini your favorite, anon?
Because I’m a Gemini 🙂
It was pretty interesting despite flying exclusively low orbit missions. It really had some highlights like the crisis during Gemini 8, the problems with EVA, exploding target vehicles (and Wally Schirra saving the mission in a split second decision), the angry crocodile of Gemini 9, the fatal crash of Elliot See and Charles Bassett. Maybe because it's less popular than Apollo but even its spacecuits look cool and unique.This is when the biggest future stars from groups 2 and 3 made their debut.
>angry crocodile of Gemini 9
thank you erudite anon now i have some reading for tonight
It was angry alligator but Tom Stafford is near unintelligible so it's ok.
>Tom Stafford is near unintelligible
kek
If you like interesting Astronauts, look up Ronald McNair who died on Challenger. Dude was like an irl Boondocks character.
The Soviets missions to venus were a fricking disaster. They landed three probes in a row and the lens caps were all stuck.
We have like six good photos of the Venusian surface
>and the lens caps were all stuck.
VLADIMIR YOU FORGET REMOVE CAP AGAIN
>and the lens caps were all stuck.
how did they get stuck
you think astronauts are given guns or suicide pills or something so they off themselves incase something goes horrifically wrong ? i'd rather off myself than literally feel my lungs exploding in my chest if a crack happens in the shuttle or suit
There are so many ways to die in space especially if you rely on complex mannouvers like space rendezvous or re-entry.
stanley kubrik did it
Haha though imagine that dog they put into space, Laika, right? Wonder what that was like for a dog
Fatal I believe.
But that's early Russian space program for you.
Imagine being abducted by aliens and then launched into a star or a black hole. Probably like that.
I'm not sure. The lunar surface isn't exactly colorful.
Anyone seem this gem? Moon denier or not, this is 10/10
i think ive watched it once but dont member it being anything special
its got 6 on imdb
It's an amazing premise and extremely well-written. That's good enough, but it also has some really good performances from some no-name Canadians and the whole thing was made on a shoestring budget with some of the best guerilla filmmaking in any movie ever.
>its got 6 on imdb
You dumb homosexual
>bro just look at this 120p realmedia clip of the moonlanding as proof we went there
>BRO THE MOON LANDING WAS FAKED
Oh, what about the dozens of unmanned prep missions before Apollo 11?
>BRO THOSE WERE FAKE TOO
And what about the second manned mission after Apollo 11, was that fake too?
>YES BRO
And the one after that?
>YEAH THAT ONE TOO BRO
Even the one after that one?
>*hit blunt* DUDE YES
The one after that one too?
>*coughs* BRO I’M TELLING YOU
They faked the 6th moon landing too?
>UH YEAH TOTALLY BRO ALL OF THEM
Why so many people on this thread who pretend to care about the moon landing don't know that NASA will be sending people on the moon again in 2025?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program
Yeah, that's getting delayed at least seven times before it gets canceled
The game has changed, we have SpaceX now, and they actually get shit done
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>Why can’t we go back to the moon?
>Lol we just lost the technology goyim
We never went to the moon it’s so fricking obvious
It wasn’t so much the technology, it was the infrastructure setup for the Apollo
Missions. A lot of the original brains behind the project died too, and their knowledge went with them. Like the 3 Black queens behind it all.
There are schizos with very simple minds there so it needs to be said very clearly so they understand. The technology to get people to the Moon has been with us since at least Apollo 9 (and in theory for even longer than that) but with Saturn V being the most complex machine of its time it's impossible to perfectly recreate every single one of the millions of elements. Not everything can be traced back or produced. Not every contractor is still in business. So the next rocket that will be used for the Moon landing will be a new machine. As it should be.
We went to the Moon, thanks to 3 strong black women.
Watch Hidden Fences.
Why are they allowed to rewrite history like this bros?
It takes away from the hard work and study hundreds of white men did to make this happen.
they did nothing homosexual it was all black chicks they built the rockets by hand too
>Why are they allowed to rewrite history like this bros?
because normies are apathetic
The First Man was the last movie that was allowed to be honest. An anomaly because I think Hidden Figures came out before and every new documentary has to mention female pilots who were never considered to be a part of Project Mercury or Ed Dwight, a black pilot who's still complaining he didn't make the cut even though he was "promised" the spot. Except there were pilots who were better than him and he probably would've made the cut for the fifth group. That new Nat Geo version of The Right Stuff would've talked about that but they thankfully cancelled it.
America has two seperate moon launch rockets out on launch pads scheduled for test launches before summer is over.
>In order to practice moving around in Zero Gravity, we our astronauts move around underwater, the exact opposite environment.
Stop trying to downplay our achievements darkoid
My grandfather has pictures of his station while being a part of communications for the moon landing, seethe more
Your grandpa operated MkUltra control stations in exchange for diluted adrenochrome and then put you on his lap (not for the purpose of fricking you like it usually was) and told you that he worked on the """moon""" """landing""""
Meds. Now.
Pinewood studios
It’s being lifted by a wire. What a joke
Kerbal Space Program 2 when?
Soon(TM)
https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/American-Moon-(2017):1
This documentary is good, fair and not schizoid shit.
The most questionable thing is the shadows just don't look like how they would on the moon.
>not schizoid shit
>American Moon
Its fake