Whether you love it or hate it, you can't deny it's popularity. How will this affect what cartoons we see in the future? Will executives finally be open to more adult cartoons that don't have stiff bland art styles?
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How will Hazbin's success affect the animation industry?
Almost no streaming series has had any significant impact on the industry compared to their cable counterparts.
Not even Invincible with comic adaptations.
>Almost no streaming series has had any significant impact on the industry compared to their cable counterparts.
Stranger Things begs to differ
Stanger Things is a flash in the pan.
With ads on streaming- annoying as that might be, the divide might start to change. Literally the only thing keeping cable afloat is ad money because old execs think weekday morning ads are actually worth buying.
I've been expecting this for years. Normies now aren't what they were 20 years ago. A 20-something these days grew up watching animation well into their teen years. They might not be obsessive about it- but the perception of animation as kids only isn't a thing as it was 40 years ago. The holy 18-35 demographic has changed.
More focus on adult animation. I'm in the industry and this was already happening, but this is a useful catalyst. You're going to see a lot more in the coming years once shows get out of production.
Could you give us some more insights. Always great to here from someone who has first hand experience?
I'm under nda man or I would. Just that there is a consensus on focusing on shows meant for an adult audience since millennial and zoomies grew up and crave it. I know some shows but I can't spill (yet). I'm working on a movie but it isn't very Cinemaphile, much more artistic.
Some questions you probably can answer
*What genres can we expect? How much action, adventure, drama vs comedy, slice of life?
*Can we expect any good fujo/gay pandering?
*Is it going to be new IPs or just mature versions of current IPs?
I don't know every studio, just the ones connected to mine. You have heard of them, though. I'll try my best.
>genres
Expect animations of very old IPs, especially monsters. Everyone has a hardon for monsters right now. A mix of comedy and drama.
>fujo pandering
Probably, but not connected to any people I'm working for.
You have to understand that everyone who graduated from art school in the past 5 years is overwhelmingly very tumblr. Almost every single animator I've met was very active on it (or even here). Fujobait cannot be stopped, it is embedded in their psyche. The old directors are still there but they are retiring, you're going to see the results of what 2010-2018 tumblr did very soon.
>You have to understand that everyone who graduated from art school in the past 5 years is overwhelmingly very tumblr. Almost every single animator I've met was very active on it (or even here). Fujobait cannot be stopped, it is embedded in their psyche. The old directors are still there but they are retiring, you're going to see the results of what 2010-2018 tumblr did very soon.
Well this is joyeous news to me and my homo-lust. I suppose it also means we getting even more bat-shit insane liberal idealology. Is it going to be more or less tolerable than the current woke?
Follow up questions
>Is the trend of ugly character designs going to go away?
>Do we not get action and adventure because it has a higher budget floor or because the type of people who go to art school don't develop that skill and interest?
>ugly character designs going away
The old directors still around so probably not entirely. They'll be retiring in the next decade or even sooner, though. Most are in their 60s.
>action being expensive
You'll see it in studios that have a lot of cash flow like Netflix and Amazon, I'm sure. It's not like people don't want to do action, it just costs a lot of fricking money. There are advancements being made to possibly streamline that, like AI motion capture. With any luck animation is about to go through a renaissance.
>With any luck animation is about to go through a renaissance.
What is the situation that causes that?
Advancements in AI. Not talking AI generated art, but AI assisted animation that is done by animators. Think in terms of spiderverse. 2D animated rigs can also use mocap, not just 3D.
So something like humans making the key frames and ai with human oversite making the inbetween? That's exciting. When do you think this tech will be available to the common man?
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>The old directors still around so probably not entirely.
What do old directors have to do with ugly characters? I thought it was a modern idea.
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Sorry, I made an assumption on what you considered ugly. Do you mean calarts bean mouths? I'm sure they will still be around, but variety will be more common if I had to speculate. No one is doing that style with who I'm working with if it makes you feel better.
I guess by ugly I mean there are lots of things were you can look at it and say it is: weird, gross, unique, quriky, strange, unique. But you wouldn't use words like beautiful, cute, or cool.
God speed.
>when will tech be available
Sooner than you think. I'm one of the ones developing it, maybe one of the only ones (only one I know of). I gotta stop before I future doxx myself, though.
>So something like humans making the key frames and ai with human oversite making the inbetween? That's exciting. When do you think this tech will be available to the common man?
It amazes me that people haven't realized that yet. Steven Universe was literally made by their predecessors( the DeviantArt/Livejournal kids) as was the late 2010s stuff. It feels like this whole side of the internet collectively forgot that kids grow up
>Expect animations of very old IPs
cringe
>focusing on shows meant for an adult audience since millennial and zoomies grew up and crave it.
why is it when this happens, we end up with a charicature of what an adult might actually find entertaining? Like, someone asked a 13 year old boy to make something for adults?
>You're going to see a lot more in the coming years
hopefully with good writing. HH is only good because the writing is fantastic. Incredibly tight, dense, and almost every single line is a reference to some aspect of various religious cosmologies. It also heavily satirizes modern christianity by using multiple levels of metaphors for what the characters each represent in different contexts.
Truly outstanding and I have seen nothing like it and doubt I ever will again.
>good writing
did we watch the same show? the writing and plot was the weakest aspects of hazbin.
it's like they spent 80% of their energy towards the 4 minutes of songs and rushed through everything else in the episodes.
The writing is good because it manages to make a lot of likable characters in the short runtime the show has. The writing would be great had they settled their ambitious and hadn't rushed through so much just to establish all the characters fans expected to see for years.
It is rushed, but the fact the writing isn't a disaster like helluva boss and there is stuff to like in it is surprising. Shows with more runtime than Hazbin have done a worse job in making me care about their characters.
the characters and character interaction was another part i really liked and was happily surprised by.
it would help if they cut down on the secondary characters and focused more on the core main ones.
i think it's a Viv thing, cus even the pilot also had pacing issues.
>did we watch the same show?
Unfortunately very little probably made sense if you didn't already know all the source material so you could catch the references to understand the connections. And no I am not talking about helluva boss, that show is not connected.
you'll never guess why there is fire coming out both sides of his mouth but I was blown away by the reference.
go on... i'm still interested enough to go deeper into the hazbin extended universe.
just don't tell me it's behind a patreon paywall
It's not that big a deal really but there is a Sumerian creation myth story where you'd find it. Generally all the creation myths share a common core if you look deep enough.
Out of curiosity, what is the reference?
>what is the reference
Marduk
It’s impressive how Lucifer and the Princes looks more deranged and evil when they’re angry while Adam never loses his form when he’s enraged and has far more beautiful wings than all of them (with its colors only being given to the first Winner Adam redeemed)
It shows how corrupted the fallen angels truly are in hell and they’re masking away their fallen states like it’s make-up.
So out of the Princes (Lucifer included), Eve, Lilith, and Adam, only Adam got a great glow up and no evil in him to hide.
Yet dummies think Adam will ever be a sinner.
The only reason anyone on earth is special is because they have some amount of divine blood which grants a holy spirit that Christ was sent to save.
Adam is literally nobody, he and eave are just the metaphorical people who got fricked/fricked the first angels to create angelic bloodlines that introduced original sin on earth.
Adam's death in the show is symbolic, the death of the false myth. If the writers didn't let him be a stand in for the Grim Reaper then Adam wouldn't have any reason to be in the show.
Shut the frick up. God is better than the angels.
This is where interpreting Bible lore gets weird. We always forget it was written around a time when the concept of fate typically triumphed over the general idea of free will and choosing who you want to be as a person
I thought Agency is what defines 90% of your fate
lol, lmao
What?
personal agency has a tiny impact on one's life
you are beta then
agressively defensive, huh?
means you know i'am right
yes, tell that to poor, uneducated third worlders. i'm sure they decided to not be millionaires.
Shut up Redditor
That's stupid and innacurate
pfft, you aren't born, and you already have your genes and position on the world decided
And you will continue to bounce from surroundings in a manner that comes out of your pre detemined traits
co is literally moronic
Speaking in terms of myths and legends? No. What will happen to you is already written and any actions you try to take to change that will just be the cause.
Remember this was a time where people were constantly dying in random and unpredictable ways and they were trying to contextualize why the world was like that.
i'm all for references, but it needs to come after a solid story-pacing.
>cartoon show released
>gets pissy when people discuss on cartoon board
>Unfortunately very little probably made sense if you didn't already know all the source material
Is this supposed to be a selling point to new viewers? Most of the people I know who have no clue what is going on or even why the pacing is all over the place is because they went in cold.
Are we really at the point where this now has to be the norm? We can't enjoy something without having to dig deep into not just lore, but SPECULATIVE lore? Most of the shit people make sense of this show's logic is stuff Vivzie isn't even answering questions on. How long did it take to get a solid answer on Cannibal's not being sinners but being hellborn which is why they have kids?
>Cannibal
If you didn't immediately understand they represent the Catholic conception then you are uber dense. I understand your point about not everything can be complicated or you alienate the morons but the show says frick that and goes 100% all in on the hardest deepest most important connections with zero hand holding and I love the frick out of it.
Can you tell me how much money you spent on this show? I'm curious if you're one of those people decrying this show is 10/10 because you are genuinely a moron or if you are desperately trying to fool yourself into thinking you sent money to this b***h for a 5/10 show?
>how much money you spent on this show?
none. I already had an Amazon prime subscription so for me it was essentially free.
>Cannibal's not being sinners but being hellborn which is why they have kids
wat
where do you guys even find this restricted lore?
The show takes place in hell on earth because that is literally where we are now according to the cosmology. but also it is only hell because we who have divine soul have created the horrors around us.
>Cannibals not being sinners but being hellborn which is why they have kids
Really? I thought they were just children who committed cannibalism before dying. The Donner Party alone had like a dozen of those.
Voxmask/adamschizo autism tier.
Viv is WAY too dense for any deeply esoteric references and the only connections there are are in your schizo brain.
I won't lie to you, for someone who doesn't already have an extensive understanding of all the foundational creation cosmologies from all the major worlds religions it probably does sound insane.
Oh please, i've been an /x/ schizo long before this show even came out which is the reason why i got interested in it in the first place.
Viv is not ineterested in epic cosmological symbolisms or esoteric depth. at BEST any actual correspondence is purely a result of synchronicity Viv had nothing to do with or it's just your delusions trying to find deeper meaning where there is none.
She picked Stolas only cause she read bunch of wikipedia articles where he's listed as number 69 and she found it funny so she made him gay. That's as far as her interest in demonology goes. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Yeah. She just used the Goetia symbols for aesthetic purposes but did absolutely nothing deeper with it.
You guys keep doing this shit all of the time because you are doomers that want things to be bad and expect nothing good out of it. So when Viv did the complete unexpected with Adam’s and Lucifer’s characters, you guys go “no Viv obviously made it a mistake to make us realize that Adam is good and Lucifer is bad” when Lucifer canonically stolen Adam’s wives and children as if they were properties, and said the most truly offensive things about them. While Adam actually loved his woman and trusted her with everything after his death. Even Lucifer’s appearance is made to be purposely inferior to Adam’s true appearance since Lucifer becomes utterly ugly when his mask is off while Adam just looks like a man, which is a big deal when every other winner looks so muted, washed up, and inhuman, yet get praised with love from the perfectly, sinless, human Adam.
The creation myth of the current Christian church did supplant/defeat and then silence the old european creation myth which Alastor represents. That scene could not have played out any other way.
The thing though is that the old myth is still the backbone of truth on which the church got built and so that is why Alastor is interested in helping build the new church. That is also why Alastor is friendly with and recognized by the Catholics (Rosie). It wasn't really that long ago when what Alastor represents would have been a regular and super normal part of the way they understood religious cosmology.
>supplant
more like absorb than supplant, based on the fact that the old Christian conception of the creation myth was in fact essentially the same as the old European beliefs.
Which is why Alastor jokes that Vox wanted him to join his team.
Shut up. You pagans literally don’t have anything to save you from Hell and you celebrate Christ’s death as his defeat instead of his victory. You are a living satanic counterfeit.
Oh so you're one of those israelites that thinks Christ was sent just to save the descendants of Abraham? You think Christ wasn't sent for the sons of Zeus, or Odin? You don't because you would not deny that God is the God of gods and the All Father.
>Christ was sent just to save the descendants of Abraham?
No. Not a israelite either, I think.
Christ’s promise was to save Adam and Eve and their children from the grave, establish in Genesis 3. Which is why Satan seethes about the passage so much.
The disciples of the early church would say that the tree of the holy spirit has grown far from the well of the All Father God since genesis and although your branch no longer recalls that it is of the same primordial source there is only one God of gods and so we share a holy spirit that is one with all and the great I AM.
That’s stupid. So toss it into the trash.
Jesus/God makes Nephilim references in that a man’s size doesn’t determine them to be his children, it’s their hearts and loyalty to him.
>toss it into the trash
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
I like how they never properly showed the previous hotel besides it's main hall and expect us to care that it's destroyed. I'm sorry, but 8 short episodes are NOT enough to make your hotel feel like "part of the cast" you have to earn this shit.
>um you need to be of high intelligence to understand the complexity of this show
That's what you sound like you trite douchebag. This show isn't that deep and you're an idiot for thinking it is.
We've gotten the Female Disney esc equivalent to Rick and Morty here.
Rick and Morty has decent-to-good animation, replace that one with "Meta Humor'
>Rick and Morty has decent-to-good animation,
It's not that good, it's just puppet rigging.
TBfair, Helluva and Hazbin look good when you watch the animation on mute and out of context. And that's barely, the eye strain of all Viv's creations makes watching her projects still insufferable to sit through, so Rick and Morty are good for having a clear understanding of space and color schemes.
Actually trying to make sense of her work though, you're all projecting. She doesn't take any of the biblical and mythological facts into place of her characters. She built them on top of tropes, and out of marshmellows and pretzel sticks.
>Actually trying to make sense of her work though, you're all projecting. She doesn't take any of the biblical and mythological facts into place of her characters. She built them on top of tropes, and out of marshmellows and pretzel sticks.
If Adam isn’t based on Jesus, then what else is the bases of his character?
>, then what else is the bases of his character?
>angry white boys on Cinemaphile
It's THAT easy.
Get off the site.
Yeh fricking make me
dank
>If Adam isn’t based on Jesus, then what else is the bases of his character?
Grim Reaper standin, otherwise there would be no point for Adam to be in the show since he is a literal nobody. He and Eave are just a metaphor for the first people to frick angels and make a bloodline contaminated by original sin.
I fricking hate you.
What about no swearing?
>I fricking hate you.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
homie is trolling
obvious role playing as a Christian
I seriously don’t know why this dude would spam angel jizz in woman thing for no reason.
The writing felt more like
“Alastor, Lucifer, Eve/Lilith, Adam, and Lute are the only ones that actually matter, so let’s put in all of our stuff towards them and give the rest the scraps.”
Because, Lucifer is actually stupidly evil and hides it super well under his charm, while Alastor puts on his smile and doesn’t lie about his true colors. And Lilith/Rosie is directly connected to both of them.
While Adam and Lute are actually the only good people in the show that want to do what’s best for the sinners, unlike Lucifer. With the foreshadowing of Adam’s selfless death/sacrifice indicated by the mask. So when Lucifer talks about lambs and sacrifices in episode 5, it’s foreshadowing Adam dying to pay for the sins of sinners.
Which means, Eve/Lilith is constantly using the best sinners in Hell as her lambs to keep herself in Heaven. Good Sinners that will go to Charlie’s hotel and unknowingly accept Adam’s sacrifice for them in season 2 and 3.
but we have 8 episodes, 9 if you include the pilot, and we don't really know much of any of those characters. Lucifer was only introduced in episode 5 and makes one more appearance at the end of the last episode.
i still don't know if alastor is really on charlie's side or just using her?
Lilith, 5 seconds?
i keep hearing about these cool theories / backstories like the ones you mentioned, but why couldn't they dedicate time for them in the episodes? they had over 200 minutes of airtime so far but i couldn't honestly say where that time actually goes
Hello vivzie didn't know you lurked here
>It also heavily satirizes modern christianity by using multiple levels of metaphors for what the characters each represent in different contexts.
No it doesn't. It's basically just basic b***h secular christgay morality but with demons so kids think it is edgy.
>the writing is fantastic.
>Character lies
>Character is called out on lies later on
>b-bad writing
There are some holes in the plot but this isn't one.
moron, by that point Charlie already knew she was an angel because Adam said it infront of everyone
COPE.
Good, adult animation is where all the best shows are right now. For every shitty family guy ripoff there's a cool animated drama on Netflix, HBO Max, or Prime Video. Every year they come out of nowhere, blow the rest of the industry away, and then walk out.
Fricking schizos on twitter moaning about how owlshit was the last "serialized" cartoon while ignoring the multiple animated adult dramas, that actually take things seriously and you don't have to wait 1 season for it to "get good". Kids TV can burn and die for all I care, adult animation is finally in a good place.
>Fricking schizos on twitter moaning about how owlshit was the last "serialized" cartoon while ignoring the multiple animated adult dramas,
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. As much everyone on Twatter loves to say that animation is for all ages, they really hate to extend outside of their comfort zone of kiddie shows.
It's the same thing that caused people to say that "Kids movies are more mature" and point to Puss In Boots 2 because the only non-kids movies they've watched are blockbusters. If there's one fandom that is adept at exposing media illiteracy, it's the cartoon fandom.
>"""adult""" animation
you mean middle school shows with middle schoool juvenile humor?
It's trash, homie.
That's not the point
Yes, I know, you want to know if it started a trend. I don't think so.
people will be less afraid to make conventionally attractive character designs. every character in HH has some type of appeal despite none of them being sexualized in any way (except angel dust and valentino but that's kind of the point with them)
ideally, more online, indie animation and acceptance of alternative ways to get shows produced.
but we know that ain't gonna be the case.
This is actually happening and will happen more.
really? what other projects are happening?
"How quickly they forget that all it takes to change the course of history is the will of a single bitch."
More indie hits will be accepted to major networks if creators pitch them there.
More animated musicals for streaming and incorporation of Broadway stars into the series.
More TV shows set in hell, but Good Place and Good Omens already were a thing so I don't think that's a big surprise.
More artists inspired by Vivienne the way a bunch of artists was inspired by Rebecca Sugar and Pendelton Ward back in the day but we'll only see that in 5 to 10 years from now,
Ideally it would also mean trust in new ideas rather than recycling old IPs, but I highly doubt any corporation is smart enough to think that.
>you can't deny it's popularity
when there's nothing else to watch, you're stuck watching garbage
They will respond by making more shit calart shows full of woke shit.
They should add a transphobic character to the show
I do hope it wont make writers think what HH does is in any way good. I want more indie media to get recognition, but I do not want it all to be have crap writing as HH does.
How long util you all frickers get banish to /trash/?
I doubt it'll influence much.
I'm shocked on the amount of Viv bootlickers there are.
>How will this affect what cartoons we see in the future? Will executives finally be open to more adult cartoons that don't have stiff bland art styles?
Everyone on Hazbin Hotel looks like a bad undertale OC and is a child’s idea of what “adult” is just like most adult animation in the last 10 years.
>To be fair, you need really high iq to understand Hazbin hotel
Indie takes power away from the people who gatekeep the industry.
I haven't watched it cause I think the character designs are atrocious so I hope it doesn't influence that
Thread is finally starting to get good.
I actually like the "adamschizos" and whatnot in these threads because I enjoy reading speculation and theory crafting of media regardless of how insane it can sound, and it's nice to have them around so every Hazbin thread isn't just "SEX WITH (x)!" "JOBALASTOR," etc.; it's like the salt that helps balance the sweetness.
Adamschizos actually made me realize how HB fricks up the sympathy for hell by showing that demons still actively go up to Earth to tempt people to sin and falling, demonstrating there is an active spiritual warfare between the two and we're just not addressing that
I honestly don’t think we think we are ever supposed to like hell. We are supposed to realize that Heaven is in the right and Hell is where these characters belong, even if you like them. T. adamschizo
So Adam and Lute are the big surprise Viv has been preparing for, since they are ordinary citizens who will be the reason why we, the viewers, and the sinners/winners will love Heaven. Since Adam captures almost everything that makes Jesus Christ so great, without portraying Adam’s father on screen.
Adam hates “Lilith” (Eve) because she used his/their children as lambs to lift away her sins, which is the only reason why she is allowed to be in Heaven. And if the righteous and good sinners get redeemed under Adam, “Lilith” (Eve) will descend down to Hell Forever.
Well thank you for the praise. I like making the Adam and Lucifer theories because they help to ground and stabilize the crazy nature of HH/HB into one cohesive promising narrative, where you want the sinners in heaven because you want Adam and Lute to hug them, but I unfortunately don’t see anyone else here that is a black foot ferret (a fnaf theorist that is the most out there) like me.
So we usually end up with the “safest” theories of “Adam becomes a Sinner” by people who didn’t even spend an hour to compile their thoughts together, because they are the kind of people that go “Alastor x Vox” “Alastor jobbed” “Adam got cucked”.
I get insulted when go up to me and say “oh you wrong” “Viv is a hack, bro. She hates Adam because boyfriend stuff we don’t fully understand.” Or literally throw up memes word-by-word, as if that will give them a soul and a stance against me.
Because they are a waste of time and they don’t honestly inspect the characters for the way they think, act, and feel. I kinda like how all of the sinners (including Lucifer) actually are bad people so we have multiple faces of evil and people who deludes themselves into thinking they are good, because “I did this for my daughter one time”, which is way too real to me.
I also feel the need to spread the Adam theories so I can get some adorable “Adam hugging sinners” fan art, “Adam coming back from the dead in his resurrected body to kiss Lute” fan art, “lute trying to teach Sir Repentious how to act” fanart. Instead of waiting for it years later, when it’s officialize.
So many people are coping and crying about Adam’s death, so they need to find the hope and meaning of it, so they can anticipate for his return.
Rich kids will finally feel inspired enough to pursue their dreams.
And will flop, the exception only proves the rule
Given how much of a frickup he was, I'm seriously surprised he never let it slip at any point that he knew where Lilith was and chose his side over her own family. When Lucifer was mocking him about Lilith choosing him, you'd think that's the point where he'd brag about how he "totally" fricked Lilith in heaven.
I firmly believe he didn't let it slip JUST for plot reasons. He would be the type of guy to brag about that shit.
I like Adam because he's simultaniously way out of his depth and out of fricks to give.
He's 10 000 years old, this shit ain't nothing to him, man.
More shows for """edgy""" middle schoolers where sex "jokes", cursing, and shock "humor" are the main appeal!
>"Hahaha, he said curse words, funny right? Sex! Sex! Sex! Funny right!" - 13 year old kid that thinks this show and Helluva boss are the funniest things ever
Cartoons will just get gayer and gayer.
>can't deny it's popularity
But I can. It isn't popular outside of a very small coterie of freaks. Youtube popularity doesn't translate to widespread appeal.
Viv's parents and connections are why this piece of shit got made. The writing, music, and plot are all terrible. It took this long to produce so little, it's pathetic. And the animation is awful.
I hope Keith David escapes this unscathed, holy shit what a dumb character to voice.
>Keith David
he'll be fine, problem is will he'll probably speak highly of the show as time goes on.
Doubtful. He'll do the mandatory press tour and then frick off to a new project.
I do hope, as I've heard with a lot of other VA's is that they often forget about all the different characters they were asked to be in, so with any luck, he'll forget about this one.
But the fact there was a notable song that dumb people will ask him to sing for them while at conventions sounds painfully cringe.
>a notable song
Again, the songs are not that good. It's notable only because of the set pieces and "spectacle" of the cheapest Korean animation they could find. The song itself was nothing special.
And the unshowered con goblins will always and forever ask him to sing "Friends on the Other Side" before anything else.
I agree completely. Just saying that it's the ONE song people are going to hold onto because it's about their ship, not actually because it's any good. They don't like it because it has actually good musical grounding, they just like that spectacle part.
Friends from the Other Side wasn't that great either, oddly enough. My brain can't even think of any part of it I could sing along to without it going into the "Yodel Song" from Home on the Range and then "Mine" from Pocahontas.
Are you ready?
bruh that's the ONLY lyric.
Anon is tone def
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Transformation central!
Transformation central!
>Transformation central!
Anon, that's only 20 seconds of song where the main beat is just "bum bum bum bum" and it ends just as it gets started. There's a WHOLE other section of that song that I PROMISE you can't sing a lyric of without looking it up. They build up that REALLY cool section and then just fail to drop the beat so it carries forward with it. His song, over all, is very slow and unmemorable.
You’re in my world now
Not your world
Nah, the songs are good, the problem is that some of them are terrible in the context of the scenes they're in. Like, Respectless was pretty good but it starts and stops so abruptly.
>Nah, the songs are good
No they are not.
Look at how this piece of shit starts:
"I see you're driven by your detestation
Your every step is stoked with animus
You need a different type of motivation
Or there's no way that you can handle this"
What is this meter? "Detestation?" You can tell she couldn't figure out another way to rhyme "motivation" with anything creative. The songs are all end rhyme, all 4/4, no soul or real rhythm. It's theater kid music and it's all awful.
I honestly think two songs per episode is bad for this series.
The “welcome to heaven” song didn’t need to exist, even if there is a reprise of Adam and Lute singing it for redeemed sinners.
The welcome to heaven song is one of the few that actually makes sense in-universe. Like, there's no reason for Velvette to break into a song for Respectless, but it's entirely in-character that St.Peter would have a welcome song and sing it to the visitors.
Cope, I'm already seeing HH content even whithin places unrelated to cartoon shit. Also, go check televisionstats, Hazbin Hotel never left the top 3 ever since its premiere and it's been on top for days.
Face it dude, HH has been a massive success even outside its targeted niche.
Look at that dip though. That dip is after the last episode dump. It's not going to stay this high for long and there's likely going to be a new series after Mr and Mrs Smith that'll throw it over.
Hazbin will be stil high because Viv stans are the most unbearable people on the planet.
>Nitpicking
homie, it's still doing extremely good ESPECIALLY by cartoon standards.
>they remade Mr. And Mrs. Smith movie
Why, is it to get the views from those who actually watch the LORDE OF DEM RANGS series?
>Show dips in watchers after the final episode airs
who would've fricking thought
When will some heroic autimso take it upon himself to re dub the entire season 1 with AI voices of the original cast?
I am interested how it would come out.
It probably won't work due to the difference in voice pitches between performances
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It's not bad
I like it!
Real answer is no, mainly because adult animation is done by people who hate cartoons. Primal was also pretty successful, yet Adult Swim still keeps greenlitting awful shit like Royal Crackers. They don’t want to give what audiences actually want (good character designs, great storytelling, actual jokes), They just want to rip off Family Guy and Rick & Morty until the end of time. Hazbin’s success won’t change that in the slightest
More swearing.
I actually had this speculation before it premiered but with the thought of Cartoons (even kid friendly ones) along with Graphic novels, high school/college artwork, advertising mascots and book illustrations having a similar art style to it several years after its premiered as I've seen a number in the last 10 or so years looking like either Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Rick and Morty.
Hard to like it when the characters act moronic a lot.
Vaggie: "w-what? Angelic weapons can hurt exterminators?" b***h, do you just forget a bunch of things?
Also their nonsense that no one in thousands of years has apparently tried fighting back against the exterminating force, but Alastor alone could solo them all, barring Adam?
It makes me sad/dissapointed. All in all, I liked the show, and I wish I would have loved it, but I just cannot. I would like to see more animated passion projects, but not like this, where they cut corners (for whatever reason).
Hazbin Hotel wasted so much of its own potential by weakening its premise (redemption of sinners) in favour of… well, both everything and nothing. Redemption is side-tracked so musical numbers, humour, power politics and secondary characters can be developed/introduced, with each component weakening the rest. Coupled with the bad overall pacing within only 8 episodes, it does all of these components relatively poorly overall, even though some of its moments indicate that it could be a gemerald.
I recently started watching Frieren, and I started comparing the two series. What I think is the key part in the comparison is how both shows take a very obvious, but subversive premise (What happens after the end of a journey vs. what is good vs. evil) and seek to examine it. To do so, it relies on following the characters in order to see how their engagements with the world expose: their own personalities, the setting itself and consequently, the implicit assumptions of the premise (the end of the quest is what matters and Heaven good vs. Hell bad).
But Frieren does it so much better. Frieren shows what Hazbin is missing: space for characters, the world and the plot to breathe. Hazbin needed more time to let the characters talk and engage with the world so you can get a sense of how it functions, who are the characters and, most importantly, what are its ethical principles, or what at least characters think these principles are.
What would I give to see, for example, Adam be a douche, but also see him a being one because of his guilt over fathering legions of sinners and/or because he thinks he has a divine mission that justifies his means.
Why?
>expect to hate it
>watch an ep
>really enjoy it
Wtf?
Possibly it's down to the musical parts just being really good. It's genuinely had better music than the last few stage musicals I've seen.
Guessing it's got some actual experienced songwriters on it and not just comedy writers who thing they can write songs
Vizzie is israeli right? Why did anyone expect her to write something actually enjoyable?
No, she's Latina
She is a Fake Latina
Her last name is literally Medrano
Did it get to number one in Canada?
It getting to number one in so many places likely has to do with the fact they redubbed it in like 20 different languages.
Never heard of it.
I think that edgy cringe 2000s homosexualry will never go away, regardless of this show existing.