How will LS Mark's animated pilot Rob & Clay hold up against prominent indie animations like Hazbin Hotel and Amazing Digital Circus?
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How will LS Mark's animated pilot Rob & Clay hold up against prominent indie animations like Hazbin Hotel and Amazing Digital Circus?
It looks so shit that it makes those look decent by comparison
It looks like the most generic 2000s cartoon possible, the kind that got a little air time then proceeded to be forgotten
It's always funny to see how cartoon critics can't seem to produce anything worthwhile themselves. Whoever designed these guys can draw, but they're not a very good character designer.
Critics are only good at telling you why something is bad but rarely are they ever good at using that knowledge to make something good
It's easier to break something down than it is to build something up
Wow, it's almost like literally none of them show any kind of animation or storytelling knowledge and their reviews are literally "I don't like that, you shouldn't do that because I don't like it"
I can forgive Sabespark because 90% of their video content are about hidden info on the shows that you can't find on wikipedia but the rest are literally just trying to gaslight kids into following their personal taste.
I have no cooking skills, but I get a bowl of soup with too much salt I can feel the fricking salt regardless of my abilities.
Same thing applies to entertainment. At worst people won't really be able to what's wrong with something.
Maybe but you have no idea how to make the food good unless you study on how to cook so if you make a video about it people will only know you didn't like it, and clearly none of them ever studied anything about animation or how to write a story. None of them be Lily Orchard or Mr Enter knows about it any more than any of us here.
If you know something tastes like shit, that doesn't necessarily mean you can cook better.
>I hate that fricking analogy that cartoon spergs always use in this context. Along with the cake one. It's fallacious. You're no longer just a mere critic if you try to make the thing yourself, and if your thing is just as shit as whatever you criticized then did you truly know what the frick you were talking about in the first place? It just proves all these people like Mr. Enter and LS Mark are pseuds, or broken clocks at best.
This apart from the "just as shit part". It doesn't take any talent recognise when something already popular or widely beloved is good, or when a massive flop or widely hated thing is bad. If they wrote an essay talking complete bollocks about the creative process, but their conclusion of whether it was good/bad matched the general consensus, were they even right?
These people routinely create worse cartoons/movies/games than the creators of the worst things they've reviewed. Saying whether something is good or bad has zero correlation with possessing the skills required to make it good.
If they had bad food but can't even fricking chop an onion without slicing their fingers off. Then guess what? They're worse than the bad chef, they should stick to sniping from the side-lines because then they only need to convince their audience they know what they're talking about, whereas making a cartoon requires you to actually have skill.
imo they don't need talent to be good critics they can be the most mediocre artists ever and still be great critics, they just need the knowledge, they don't need to be talented artists they just need to know how the art works
a critic and a content creator have different talents however they need to have the same education, make the same research and study the same subjects
the problem is how they have no knowledge at all, remember Lily Orchard list on "tips" to write a good story? It's just the same subjective bullshit and what they hate over and over and over again, absolutely zero knowledge on anything
tl dr: a critic is basically a teacher, if you can't teach people how to do something from scratch your criticism is fricking useless
not really, a critic really only needs strong opinions and doesn't need to be the actual arbiter of what's good or bad, to you at least. Heck you could follow a critic that you know has antithetical opposite tastes than you have, and choose to actually check what he says is shit and vice versa
>a critic really only needs strong opinions
No, a professional critic needs to know what the frick they are talking about, Lily, Enter and others literally can't even tell if an animation is cheap or had a lot of work on it nor they care, they have no idea how pacing works, they literally don't know what they are talking about.
uhmmmmm... I guess you're right the more one knows the better it is, it can surely give more informed opinions. Still I don't think one needs (neither I expect) one to be a good creator
>imo they don't need talent to be good critics they can be the most mediocre artists ever and still be great critics, they just need the knowledge, they don't need to be talented artists they just need to know how the art works
If you're critiquing others' works whilst not putting out good stuff in that category by yourself within the span of a decade, then your critique is worth less than a creator who has put out good stuff, even when he has a more 'abstract' approach to his critique.
That's why you should treat any critique you read on this board (or any other) with a grain of salt
a critic job is to point out the flaws of a work and it's strenghts in detail in a way a regular person couldn't, the critic needs knowledge, attention and be good at explaining not creativity like a sucessful artist, the best artist could still be a mediocre critic just like the best critic could be a mediocre artist, both need the same knowledge but different talents
>food analogy
I find them very useful
I hate that fricking analogy that cartoon spergs always use in this context. Along with the cake one. It's fallacious. You're no longer just a mere critic if you try to make the thing yourself, and if your thing is just as shit as whatever you criticized then did you truly know what the frick you were talking about in the first place? It just proves all these people like Mr. Enter and LS Mark are pseuds, or broken clocks at best.
I agree, both the food and animation criticism not needing skills on it are wrong because a critic who knows just as much as a regular person is useless, no one should give a frick about a literal who b***hing on youtube about how everything should be the way they feel like, a critic is only useful if they know the subject at a deep technical level otherwise their entire "criticism" is nothing but their stupid flawed opinion, so yeah they should know enough to make it by themselves even if they are not talented they should be at the very least competetent.
>I AM SO FAT
>COMPUTERS
Why the frick do people bring up Food Analogies over shit that isn't in anyway comparable
That's fricking stupid dude
>american analogy
>another cat and mouse show
This was already old hat in the 60's.
Honestly, I kinda wanna find/see something new to shit on about this. LIke he's barely shown anything off officially.
Luckily, demo reels exist so I found this clip of those 2 voices.
God Rob has such a generic voice, it's magic.
I know Mark himself described it as “Tom and Jerry meets Bojack Horseman with Butch Hartman equse humor” yet i still have no idea what it’s like.
Some anthro teen slice-of-life show bout going to a party. Writing shit tho.
Links to them:
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Doesn't he hate Hartman? Why does he keep mentioning him and doing stuffs like him?
I guess it's a love-hate thing
He likes (some) of the cartoons but hates him as a person
He is legitimately obessed, once he even stated that Fairy Odd Parents was never that funny of a show but it's still his favorite. Mark is a new brand of self aware autism, he often states that shit like FNAF, Sonic and Nickelodeon games are not really that good but that there is something about such franchises that "attract" him into it
>shit like FNAF, Sonic and Nickelodeon games are not really that good
doesn't he have a second channel where he talks about nothing but sonic? why does he keep lying about what he hates and what he likes? It's like he can't make up his mind
That's not that rare nowadays, a lot of sonic zoomertubers like Scott the Woz, Triple Q and Peter Knetter state that basically gave up on trying to defend modern Sonic by the mere fact that they played other games and say that they will just keep having fun with the series because... Sonic is in the games
Making fun of butch is funny, i can give you that, he is very out of touch and thinks that he can do way more than he is cappable of. The mere fact that he made one of the most acid and aggressive comedy shows to ever be rated G and talks about it like he created Sesame Street in itself is hilarious
But Mark bases his obsession on hate-love, he copyed everything from the man, from the artstyle to the humor and now can't accept that he isn't a idealized version of who he aways wanted to be
>with Butch Hartman equse humor”
lol he said this like it's a good thing
It's weird how they think these designs are perfect for a teenage sitcom drama, i thought this was supposed to be a wacky slapstick show, these designs scream Spongebob, not Bojack Horseman
You mean TUFF Puppy
Also, it's hilarious to see these type of characters in an environment like this, kinda like Aggretsuko with the cute designs in a realistic world approach.
Look at this shit.
Notice how the mouse has the signature fricking Butch Hartman golf club hand to him. Now look at the cat clenching his fist, it's a bit more detailed showing the little bumps of his knuckles. If Mark here is really trying to ape Butch's style then he would know to simplify the fist even more by making it be simple shapes with little lines through it like in picrel. Saying this show has no consistency would be an understatement.
>cat
that's not a wolf???
have you not seen the storyboards? they spoil the whole thing
Post it
>Like LS mark
>Watch his videos
>Learn that he married Chris Oniels (OneyNg/Oneyplays) prostitute ex gf and constantly shits on oney
>Unsubscribe
What a cuck lmao
I thought it was Arin he shits on while she shits on Oney despite clearly still being into him
It's honestly intriguing because its a case where he just turns out to be part of every fandom considered stereotypically autistic. He took a break from being the Sonic guy to be the FNAF lore guy
>constantly shits on oney
When has he shat on Oney?
I can't name any instances either (outside of Veronica burning the Freddy Freaker plushy). My guess is he's confusing him with the other major player of that drama, Ricepirate. Mark's name probably will never come up outside of his own fandom without "Isn't he that kid who Oney's insane ex settled for"?
I'm not looking through it again but Oney's ex made some huge "expose" on Mick and whoever else in that dumbass situation she created and she straight up admitted that they (Veronica, Mick and Mark) would just spend a lot of time shitting on Oney in their free time
tbh at least with Mark he was probably peer pressured by the others into it
Sounds about right. I'm pretty sure Mark's confirmed the type of person who always goes along with whatever the more dominant personalities in a room are talking about.
If you've ever seen him on livestream, he literally just stutters along.
Mick probably lead the conversation since he's the one who clearly wanted active beef with Oney
it still blows my mind how much of a shithead Mick turned out to be, I figured him being an alcoholic was obviously a redflag but actively creating problems with someone who was a good friend for a decade is fricked
Mick, Stamper and Joe in particular are insane in terms of their downfalls. Even Arin was pretty much just "turned into a soulless businessman who put brand before all else" while those three actually went insane
so this b***h is like ten years his senior.
kinda weird... i would say i hope the kid doesn't get manipulated but i'd pay real money to never see one of that homosexual's videos suggested to me again
she left a clue like 2 years ago
Waifus? if not, then it will fare poorly.
sorry, it's the truth.
Mao Mao Heroes of Pure Heart and Rise of the TMNT say Hi!
crappy redesign attempt I did in a couple minutes
Not a fan of Clay, but Rob looks way better since he has an actual shape language now.
If they are teenagers in the modern world why are they dressed like Channel Awesome reviewers?
looks fricking boring. I would have liked the style if it resembled the 90's geometric style like Dexter's lab. Even a Ren and Stimpy type look would have worked, but no it's just Mark's shitty toddler art style
Yeah the art style is awful. It's a weird mix of butch hartman and sonic. And the characters look like stickers plastered onto the backgrounds.
Maybe he wants the fujo audience?
I like how you gave clay and actual nose and rob a tail.
The heck they look like Tom and Jerry modern reboot?
It's from LS Cuck, you know it's going to be shit.
Don't know I hope it does well enough to continue making more of this furry fluff.
That looks like ass
I wonder which character will get the most furshit porn...
The mouse is pretty meh, but the cat is kinda cute.
LS Mark is the same idiot who got married in his 20s after a few months of dating to a much older woman who has habitually cheated on him. Nobody should be surprised that the pilot he produced would be of shit quality
>wadays, a lot of
I know nothing about that drama but the fact that it made Just Stop look like a fool and I'm so glad that happened
Wait a minute...
What do you mean? I don't see inflation anywhere.
There was vore
I wanna mating press that mouse
How the frick does your artsyle get mogged so hard by a show from 2001? Kitty Bobo is the goat of indie furry animation
Has anyone noticed Mark has gotten fat as shit recently
>married
>got fat
>depressed
Now he's ready to ba a father
He has? I haven't seen any pictures of him lately
Post a picture, I'm too lazy to look him up.
He should put down the Chilli Dogs
more like lbs mark
he is turning into barry 63
That's what happens when you switch over to a standard American diet of Coca Cola and McDonald's
->has shit ton sonic merchandise behind of his back
Hahah Sonic autists are achieving at speed running at their LIFE LOL
This dude looks so fricking goofy in every single photo he's in
i have not read or ctrl f'd the thread yet but i will assume the conversation has shifted to dingdong somehow
i'm glad he's doing better.
Anon, you're the first person to mention him.
Loki IRL will mog this shit
Kys Taxi
Pan would be to limp-dicked to post that.
Careful. If you're a girl he could get off to this.
I like it in theory but Pan really shouldn't voice the main character, it's super distracting
Also Loki reminds me of Ace from PPG a little TOO much
Pan please learn how to draw hands and please learn anatomy that black chicks body is broken.
Also for some reason I know a series will be bad if the artist can't draw good hands... Works everytime somehow.
Is he trying another industry to break into since he blacklisted from animation?
When will this come out anyways? I can't wait any longer!
not well. its not really a short made out of wanting to tell the story of the characters, but being his "take" on cat and mouse shows
its like when you have an indie comic writer make their own version of the justice league instead of having something fresh
if he hates butch hartman so much why is his avatar a copy of the butch style
He only pretends to hate Butch Hartman.