That weird period in X-Men history where Marvel was trying to make the brand a huge thing after getting the film rights back only to seclude them more then they ever were before from the marvel universe. Also Synch getting a big push.
>where Marvel was trying to make the brand a huge thing after getting the film rights back only to seclude them more then they ever were before from the marvel universe.
This entire reasoning is nonsensical. The X-men have always largely played in their own bubble just like every other book. Also, trying to make them huge? Hickman did give the franchise a giant boost in popularity, WTF are you talking about? And the movie rights thing means frick all given how slow things move in Hollywood and what, you think movie synergy actually means anything? It’s been couple of decades at this point, we can pretty much all agree that that isn’t a thing outside of trade sales if something is clearly based on a specific recognisable storyline that has a trade paperback like Infinity Gauntlet.
To be fair, almost everything the X-men were doing was on a new, far more global scale, in a rather literal fashion. And a lot of Marvel book writers enjoy characters making allusions to what other superheroes are up to or having cameos to promote other titles for sales.
And yet, most writers on other books just kind of ignored the frick out of the X-men as much as they could. Whenever Krakoa or a question on what the X-men were up to was brought up, someone would comment it was just that weirdo mutant island and move on. Despite the introduction of Mysterium, a substance that was outright fricking with magic, Dr Strange and Clea were apathetic about its circulation. Not a single mention of the fact the X-men controlled Mars was ever mentioned. Hell, the only character to ever speak about Krakoa in a positive light who wasn’t a mutant was Bruce Banner, and he was in an edgelord phase at the time. Narratively, it might as well not have existed beyond a way to ensure the X-men never showed up in other comics besides their own again.
It has this weird effect where like the X-men we’re making these huge setting changing additions to everything they could, but nobody could really interact with them or wanted to bother unless their writers wanted to directly involve themselves in it. The X-men writers were outright playing in their own sandbox and screaming for nobody else to get in and mess it up, ignoring that nobody wanted to join it in the first place.
Except Spider-man, FF, Thor and Iron Man titles have featured and tied stories into the X-men and their Krakoa status quo. The issue is entirely that X-men haven several ongoing titles and it’s way harder to coordinate things, especially when the status quo related their books is prone to change because Krakoa was never meant to be permanent/long term, so most writers find it easier to just do their own thing instead of refer to things since it takes time and effort to coordinate things and what is really the point if it’s not healthily related to what you’re doing.
>Except Spider-man, FF, Thor and Iron Man titles have featured and tied stories into the X-men and their Krakoa status quo.
And I've seen that a lot of people hated/hate those stories. The FF/X-Men crossover pissed both fandoms off, nobody liked Dark Web, Tony Stark being married to Emma Frost is still getting shit for how it's essentially a meme marriage and from what I've seen people have absolutely no love for the X-men tied villain Fei-Long.
I'm not sure how Thor is involved though, the last time I saw him he was doing his own thing most of the time and only once bothered to deal with Orchis being dicks. Did I miss something? Or are you talking about Magik's title where they all got sent to Asgard/Vanaheim and fricked around in there until they got booted back to Midgard? Cause that was more of a Valkyrie thing than a Thor thing.
>Spiderman had two shit crossovers (one of which was just a finale for the writer's canceled X-book) >Thor is written by Ewing who is writing X-books >Ironman is being written by the same dude who's writing X-men >Ghost Rider has two crossover with Wolvering, written by the same writer as Wolverine and X-Force
Most of the people who are incorporating X-shit into other books ARE X-WRITERS THEMSELVES
Because it’s easier to be in the loop when you’re part of the same editorial oversight. You clearly don’t understand how difficult it is for other editorial departments to coordinate and keep everything on the same page when it’s extra stuff on top of your normal duties.
>Despite the introduction of Mysterium, a substance that was outright fricking with magic, Dr Strange and Clea were apathetic about its circulation.
Thanks for making it obvious you weren't reading Strange
I did honestly forget that moment. I only remembered the one time where she told the X-men at their fancy gala to knock it off with mining that shit since it was fricking with the world's magic, and they proceeded to...completely ignore her and go about their business. So, my bad.
Also the Hellfire Gala will absolutely be considered an embarrassment in the future. It's a bunch of comic book writers pretending they're the elite and jerking off their favorite musicians, actors and cooperate overlords. Just a company jerking itself off
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I try not to think about the Hellfire Gala outside of the context of the worst fashion disasters known to mankind on the mutant half. Most of the guests dressed okay though, but good lord Jumbo Carnation is so goddamn overrated if this is the best he can put out.
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I try not to think about the Hellfire Gala outside of the context of the worst fashion disasters known to mankind on the mutant half. Most of the guests dressed okay though, but good lord Jumbo Carnation is so goddamn overrated if this is the best he can put out.
frick you guys, the hellfire gala costumes were cool.
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Nah, about 99% of them were re-fried ass, much like the Met Gala in real life. About the few that were actually fitting primarily came from the non-mutants attending the party, like fricking Wilson Fisk's roman citizen getup.
Basically she's signaling that Krakoa is interested in a protector of Earth who couldn't give a shit about the fate of humans if mutants bribed them to look the other way in the future should something happen, hint hint. Nevermind that Clea took the job just to keep anyone with an ulterior motive out of her ex's former position despite having zero love for humanity to begin with.
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It just reminds me that the X-Men are severely lacking in the magic department even with Betsy as Captain Britain. I also forgot Apocalypse discovering a form of magic that could only be used by mutants was dropped.
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You forgot about Magik and Mirage, which to be fair everyone does. And please, don't remind me about the fricking mutant magic bullshit. >"Hurr hurr, look how fricking intelligent we are, we made something better than a magic O, we made a fricking X cause you can't forget we're mutants haaaaaaaaaah"
Wait till they see someone pull off a magical △ , see how hard they screech about someone stealing their idea and doing it better than them.
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Magik mostly just swings her giant sword and not actually casting spells and shit, I did forget about Mirage.
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It wasn't dropped. It played a huge role near the end of X Men Red.
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who needs magic when mutants have a 99% monopoly on psychics?
i mean the number of powerful non-mutant psychics are in the single digits.
Imagine getting called out for pretentious homosexualry by a guy who likes to refer to himself in the third person... and that he's completely right to do said calling out.
Frick, Chuck, have a nice day.
He's using it here in the classic sense of "A diplomat can be either a man or a woman and because I am referring to a hypothetical there is no sex specified, therefore I will use the singular 'they' because it is more efficient and less clunky than 'he or she'." Not in the"heckin' valid enby" way.
How long has the book been shit for? Because even before the Krapola era it was really really hard to be an X-fan. Like Jesus Christ there are going to people who's entire life time was just bad comics. New generations won't even know what a good comic looks like.
As an era where the X-Men comics were actually worth reading and older characters being used again without being killed off for cheap misery porn
But now because you morons kept complaining about "muh mansion" (and forgetting that the last time we had that it fricking sucked) you're going to get your mindless nostalgiaslop back to you, and it's going to be by an editor who doesn't know how to get people excited for his X-Line
>"muh mansion"
The only ones I ever hear even say the word "Mansion" the Cuckoa's who are desperate to think they have any argument at all. homosexuals who have already forgotten Utopia and probably don't even know the Outback as a wikipedia article.
It'll be the modern day equivalent of the Morrison era. Detractors will focus solely on the bad, ignoring the few nuggets of gold within. Fans will focus solely on the good and decry others as stuck in the past, ignoring that the story only truly works as a miniseries.
So this thread, over and over for the next decade, or until the next bad status quo happens.
>half the people working on them really cared about the X-Men
It's really only Gillen and Ewing with some assistance from Percy, Spurier and LeVelle though I have a feeling you'd call most if not all of this list "woke" regardless there are a lot more Duggans than Ewings at the X-office
>How will the Krakoan Era of the X-Men books be remembered?
It will be remembered as the era that completely mindbroke the people that read other Marvel books
Suddenly the butt of every joke became the dominant species that were breaking all the rules and writers had to kneel >Can't have a character being plagued with diseases or die of old age anymore, the mutants have made medicine for that >Mutants appearing in titles meant that they had to be treated with some respect or else writers are gonna get shit for it >Mysterium was a giant game changer in both the magic and cosmic side of Marvel as it was a currency that acted as a anti-magic metal >Mars was no longer a barren planet, it's now a mutant planet named Arakko >If a comic made more sense if mutants were involved? Write them out of the comic
>Mutants appearing in titles meant that they had to be treated with some respect
Mutants showing up in non X-Men books are handled much better compared when non-mutant superheroes show up in X-Men books.
>writers had to kneel
Lol lmao, despite all the world shaking shit nothing really changed for other books besides a few offhanded mentions here and there which is a shame because this could have been a chance for Marvel to abandon the dumbass "world outside your window" shit and embrace being fully sci-fi
you know that one anon who really loves Maggott from the 90s? and Maggott isn't even a character, it's just some stupid gimmick with a stolen more popular design (Rogue Trooper) and it's been dead for like 30 years or whatever because nobody but this one anon gives a shit about Maggott
30 years from now Jonathan Hickman will still be shitposting about how great his own work was on Cinemaphile, because the man has no shame or sense of his own failure whatsoever, he literally thinks that it's just a numbers game and that's what'll get him invited to write movies
but
it's not that, Jonny, you have to actually write things people care about
And what colors are those? The people who don't want to support shitty books or the "fanbase" that claims to love it but also doesn't support this shitty book.
LARPers who honestly support an ethnostate and would become fascists so long as they were the ones in power on one side.
Pearl clutchers on the other side.
Orgy island full of holier that thou characters, supposedly heroes but getting steamy with villains and doing nasty shit, in short "character derailment and assassination the series"
Far too early to say. Probably compare it to Spider-Man’s Clone Saga in how it was artificially lengthened by editorial demand which hampered it by a lot. I’d like to think people will give it a far more critical eye in the future, cause it had a number of interesting ideas proposed by the writing but also a shitton of plot holes and retcons at nearly every level, although I imagine for a while people will focus most of their retroactive praise for it on the initial House of X/Powers of X series and not the rest of the it.
Great idea, wasted potential, went on way too long. Was objectively a big recovery after the intentional fricking over of the brand for a few years though.
That weird period in X-Men history where Marvel was trying to make the brand a huge thing after getting the film rights back only to seclude them more then they ever were before from the marvel universe. Also Synch getting a big push.
>where Marvel was trying to make the brand a huge thing after getting the film rights back only to seclude them more then they ever were before from the marvel universe.
This entire reasoning is nonsensical. The X-men have always largely played in their own bubble just like every other book. Also, trying to make them huge? Hickman did give the franchise a giant boost in popularity, WTF are you talking about? And the movie rights thing means frick all given how slow things move in Hollywood and what, you think movie synergy actually means anything? It’s been couple of decades at this point, we can pretty much all agree that that isn’t a thing outside of trade sales if something is clearly based on a specific recognisable storyline that has a trade paperback like Infinity Gauntlet.
To be fair, almost everything the X-men were doing was on a new, far more global scale, in a rather literal fashion. And a lot of Marvel book writers enjoy characters making allusions to what other superheroes are up to or having cameos to promote other titles for sales.
And yet, most writers on other books just kind of ignored the frick out of the X-men as much as they could. Whenever Krakoa or a question on what the X-men were up to was brought up, someone would comment it was just that weirdo mutant island and move on. Despite the introduction of Mysterium, a substance that was outright fricking with magic, Dr Strange and Clea were apathetic about its circulation. Not a single mention of the fact the X-men controlled Mars was ever mentioned. Hell, the only character to ever speak about Krakoa in a positive light who wasn’t a mutant was Bruce Banner, and he was in an edgelord phase at the time. Narratively, it might as well not have existed beyond a way to ensure the X-men never showed up in other comics besides their own again.
It has this weird effect where like the X-men we’re making these huge setting changing additions to everything they could, but nobody could really interact with them or wanted to bother unless their writers wanted to directly involve themselves in it. The X-men writers were outright playing in their own sandbox and screaming for nobody else to get in and mess it up, ignoring that nobody wanted to join it in the first place.
Except Spider-man, FF, Thor and Iron Man titles have featured and tied stories into the X-men and their Krakoa status quo. The issue is entirely that X-men haven several ongoing titles and it’s way harder to coordinate things, especially when the status quo related their books is prone to change because Krakoa was never meant to be permanent/long term, so most writers find it easier to just do their own thing instead of refer to things since it takes time and effort to coordinate things and what is really the point if it’s not healthily related to what you’re doing.
>Except Spider-man, FF, Thor and Iron Man titles have featured and tied stories into the X-men and their Krakoa status quo.
And I've seen that a lot of people hated/hate those stories. The FF/X-Men crossover pissed both fandoms off, nobody liked Dark Web, Tony Stark being married to Emma Frost is still getting shit for how it's essentially a meme marriage and from what I've seen people have absolutely no love for the X-men tied villain Fei-Long.
I'm not sure how Thor is involved though, the last time I saw him he was doing his own thing most of the time and only once bothered to deal with Orchis being dicks. Did I miss something? Or are you talking about Magik's title where they all got sent to Asgard/Vanaheim and fricked around in there until they got booted back to Midgard? Cause that was more of a Valkyrie thing than a Thor thing.
>Spiderman had two shit crossovers (one of which was just a finale for the writer's canceled X-book)
>Thor is written by Ewing who is writing X-books
>Ironman is being written by the same dude who's writing X-men
>Ghost Rider has two crossover with Wolvering, written by the same writer as Wolverine and X-Force
Most of the people who are incorporating X-shit into other books ARE X-WRITERS THEMSELVES
Because it’s easier to be in the loop when you’re part of the same editorial oversight. You clearly don’t understand how difficult it is for other editorial departments to coordinate and keep everything on the same page when it’s extra stuff on top of your normal duties.
>Despite the introduction of Mysterium, a substance that was outright fricking with magic, Dr Strange and Clea were apathetic about its circulation.
Thanks for making it obvious you weren't reading Strange
I did honestly forget that moment. I only remembered the one time where she told the X-men at their fancy gala to knock it off with mining that shit since it was fricking with the world's magic, and they proceeded to...completely ignore her and go about their business. So, my bad.
Also the Hellfire Gala will absolutely be considered an embarrassment in the future. It's a bunch of comic book writers pretending they're the elite and jerking off their favorite musicians, actors and cooperate overlords. Just a company jerking itself off
I try not to think about the Hellfire Gala outside of the context of the worst fashion disasters known to mankind on the mutant half. Most of the guests dressed okay though, but good lord Jumbo Carnation is so goddamn overrated if this is the best he can put out.
frick you guys, the hellfire gala costumes were cool.
Nah, about 99% of them were re-fried ass, much like the Met Gala in real life. About the few that were actually fitting primarily came from the non-mutants attending the party, like fricking Wilson Fisk's roman citizen getup.
Why would they care about Clea being not a human when she's also not a mutant?
Basically she's signaling that Krakoa is interested in a protector of Earth who couldn't give a shit about the fate of humans if mutants bribed them to look the other way in the future should something happen, hint hint. Nevermind that Clea took the job just to keep anyone with an ulterior motive out of her ex's former position despite having zero love for humanity to begin with.
It just reminds me that the X-Men are severely lacking in the magic department even with Betsy as Captain Britain. I also forgot Apocalypse discovering a form of magic that could only be used by mutants was dropped.
You forgot about Magik and Mirage, which to be fair everyone does. And please, don't remind me about the fricking mutant magic bullshit.
>"Hurr hurr, look how fricking intelligent we are, we made something better than a magic O, we made a fricking X cause you can't forget we're mutants haaaaaaaaaah"
Wait till they see someone pull off a magical △ , see how hard they screech about someone stealing their idea and doing it better than them.
Magik mostly just swings her giant sword and not actually casting spells and shit, I did forget about Mirage.
It wasn't dropped. It played a huge role near the end of X Men Red.
who needs magic when mutants have a 99% monopoly on psychics?
i mean the number of powerful non-mutant psychics are in the single digits.
You're assuming it will be remembered at all.
mutants being everything they used to fight against then getting blown the frick out physically, intellectually, and spiritually
Imagine getting called out for pretentious homosexualry by a guy who likes to refer to himself in the third person... and that he's completely right to do said calling out.
Frick, Chuck, have a nice day.
>singular they
Doom would never
He's using it here in the classic sense of "A diplomat can be either a man or a woman and because I am referring to a hypothetical there is no sex specified, therefore I will use the singular 'they' because it is more efficient and less clunky than 'he or she'." Not in the"heckin' valid enby" way.
A lesson: Don't give your underdog heroes an ethnostate.
so, xavier was the maker?
No. Reed Richards is the Maker
Shit on top of a shit pile
How long has the book been shit for? Because even before the Krapola era it was really really hard to be an X-fan. Like Jesus Christ there are going to people who's entire life time was just bad comics. New generations won't even know what a good comic looks like.
As an era where the X-Men comics were actually worth reading and older characters being used again without being killed off for cheap misery porn
But now because you morons kept complaining about "muh mansion" (and forgetting that the last time we had that it fricking sucked) you're going to get your mindless nostalgiaslop back to you, and it's going to be by an editor who doesn't know how to get people excited for his X-Line
>"muh mansion"
The only ones I ever hear even say the word "Mansion" the Cuckoa's who are desperate to think they have any argument at all. homosexuals who have already forgotten Utopia and probably don't even know the Outback as a wikipedia article.
The greatest trick Hickman pulled was convincing the majority of X-gays that the Krakoa era isn't nostalgiaslop.
that still requires a skill unlike what simmone is going to write
these people are not going to read x-men, they're going to cry and whine about rogue not having thicc ass enough
objectively the worst period in x-men history
>hurr durr muh mansion
literally no one is defending the countless mansion scenarios. thing is they aren't the worst arcs of x-men so frick off shill
Woke shit
hackman's magnum opus
Mainly the era that justified all the previous mutant hatred and fear.
It'll be the modern day equivalent of the Morrison era. Detractors will focus solely on the bad, ignoring the few nuggets of gold within. Fans will focus solely on the good and decry others as stuck in the past, ignoring that the story only truly works as a miniseries.
So this thread, over and over for the next decade, or until the next bad status quo happens.
>ignoring the few nuggets of gold within.
For example?
None, remember it's current marvel writers.
As hilariously stupid hedonism and orgies and enforced mandated polyamory.
How half the people working on them really cared about the X-Men while the other half cared about woke shit enough to kill the sales
Nobody even remotely cared about the x-men here.
>Best idea
>The whole premise goes against the core value of the very book.
>half the people working on them really cared about the X-Men
It's really only Gillen and Ewing with some assistance from Percy, Spurier and LeVelle though I have a feeling you'd call most if not all of this list "woke" regardless there are a lot more Duggans than Ewings at the X-office
The best X-men idea ever botched
>How will the Krakoan Era of the X-Men books be remembered?
It will be remembered as the era that completely mindbroke the people that read other Marvel books
Suddenly the butt of every joke became the dominant species that were breaking all the rules and writers had to kneel
>Can't have a character being plagued with diseases or die of old age anymore, the mutants have made medicine for that
>Mutants appearing in titles meant that they had to be treated with some respect or else writers are gonna get shit for it
>Mysterium was a giant game changer in both the magic and cosmic side of Marvel as it was a currency that acted as a anti-magic metal
>Mars was no longer a barren planet, it's now a mutant planet named Arakko
>If a comic made more sense if mutants were involved? Write them out of the comic
Uggh. I'm not looking forward to looking back on Spidey either.
>Mutants appearing in titles meant that they had to be treated with some respect
Mutants showing up in non X-Men books are handled much better compared when non-mutant superheroes show up in X-Men books.
The Avengers mindbroke the X-Men fans and I love it
>writers had to kneel
Lol lmao, despite all the world shaking shit nothing really changed for other books besides a few offhanded mentions here and there which is a shame because this could have been a chance for Marvel to abandon the dumbass "world outside your window" shit and embrace being fully sci-fi
>else writers are gonna get shit for it
Why would writers get shit for that?
Cause the X-men fandom that posts on twatter genuinely think saying the X-men comics sucks means you hate real life minorities
Cyclops and Jean going poly with Wolverine.
you know that one anon who really loves Maggott from the 90s? and Maggott isn't even a character, it's just some stupid gimmick with a stolen more popular design (Rogue Trooper) and it's been dead for like 30 years or whatever because nobody but this one anon gives a shit about Maggott
30 years from now Jonathan Hickman will still be shitposting about how great his own work was on Cinemaphile, because the man has no shame or sense of his own failure whatsoever, he literally thinks that it's just a numbers game and that's what'll get him invited to write movies
but
it's not that, Jonny, you have to actually write things people care about
I think it will be remembered as the era when the X-men fanbase showed their true colors.
And what colors are those? The people who don't want to support shitty books or the "fanbase" that claims to love it but also doesn't support this shitty book.
LARPers who honestly support an ethnostate and would become fascists so long as they were the ones in power on one side.
Pearl clutchers on the other side.
It's insane that an entire chunk of fanbase that has had pic related beat into their heads didn't understand a goddamn word of it and ate this shit up
Orgy island full of holier that thou characters, supposedly heroes but getting steamy with villains and doing nasty shit, in short "character derailment and assassination the series"
Far too early to say. Probably compare it to Spider-Man’s Clone Saga in how it was artificially lengthened by editorial demand which hampered it by a lot. I’d like to think people will give it a far more critical eye in the future, cause it had a number of interesting ideas proposed by the writing but also a shitton of plot holes and retcons at nearly every level, although I imagine for a while people will focus most of their retroactive praise for it on the initial House of X/Powers of X series and not the rest of the it.
Sex with Jean, Lauraverine, Rogue, Polaris, Selene and Magik NOW
as an experimental era that didn't reach its full potential, but better than what came both before and afterwards
They won't.
Remembered?
out of all the mutant nation attempts (genosha, utopia, asteroid m, etc), Krakoa was the best one.
Great idea, wasted potential, went on way too long. Was objectively a big recovery after the intentional fricking over of the brand for a few years though.