Like it or not, Miles Morales is now being treated as an important Spider-Man character, despite not really deserving it.
Since we have to deal with him, how would you improve him?
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Get him neutered
I only care about Spiderverse and he doesn't need improvement there.
I represent the mainstream opinion btw, no amount of whining about the comics will change where the actual source of Miles' popularity comes from.
Miles isn't popular, the Spider-Verse movies are (barely given the weak BO), saying he gets to claim the appeal of Peter's multiverse is like saying Sam Witwicky is the draw of the Transformers movies, or America Chavez is the draw of Multiverse of Madness
Call him something other than Spider-Man
Stop forcing him into Peter's stories
Watch him fade away
He needs his own name. It's insulting for him to adopt the name of some old white guy.
He needs a more distinct and unique costume. He's basically wearing black face spider-man FFS.
He's clearly LGBTQ+ coded, take him out of the closet already! This isn't the time to have another straight male hero.
Kill off Peter. Miles doesn't work as well when he's just Spider-Man jr. It's the same reason Ben failed as a character because writers couldn't fully let go of Peter. With USM giving everyone the Peter Parker we've wanted for years they should just retire 616 for the time being.
make him the new Prowler
There's already so much enphasis on his electric powers (and invisibility to a lesser extent), that the spider part is pretty much irrelevant.
Not to mention it's a name he'd arguably be even closer to than Spider-Man.
It's kinda ironic honestly since Spider-Verse is part of the reason Miles can't get better. He's too known as Spider-Man to change it now but it's only because of movies that are based on his old status quo before they fricked him with the move. There's also a funny tangent you can go on with the fact they had to completely rewrote his personality due to another adaptation, MCU's "Peter Parker", already taking his comic personality. That being funny since people get really mad about how much MCU Peter sucks.
>Give him his own title, he is a spin-off spider and that is okay
>Actually has a good point
>Move him to his own setting, give him a new city or somewhere else if they dare to be creative
>Give him his own rogue's gallery
>Actually challenge him as a character, it's comedic how easygoing it is for him compared to 616 Spidey's misery porn
>No multiverse plots, he has to be able to stand on his own and not on other people's backgrounds
>No more "Here's a story where Miles becomes Spider-Man", having to say it over and over is proof that he isn't
You can't fix him. He is fundamentally flawed. had a great idea.
Poor Hobie, getting his identity stolen twice
Hobie Brown will now be associated with Spider-Punk because of the movies
I wouldn't make him entirely Prowler like suggests but making him a Robin hood like spider-man would be a unique take. One who doesn't have a uncle Ben but an uncle Aaron like ultimate that is a bad influence that leads him astray from the spider-man motto.
Also
is completely right. Miles is at his best at turmoil with being spider-man, every time Peter mentors him and tells him he's great is weak.
Power wise, with a few tweaks, the new super saiyan form is the only thing that should stay that was introduced after ultimate. The second he starts shooting electricity it's dilutes his potential for creative problem solving that makes comics what they are.
His supporting cast is severely underdeveloped after moving from ultimate. They need to get him out of costume so the stakes aren't just family is in danger all the time.
Every comic is frustrating to read because you can see the potential but no writers are able to use it. I had written and early draft of what I called a Miles reboot instead of just casting him off.
assuming giving him a new name/outfit or sending him back to his home dimesion ain't an option
do more to make him different from Peter
have him be more into art than science like in the movies
make him go back to a regular school
stop having the universe give their approval of him being Spider-Man every 10 minutes. Spidey gets shit on by the universe, not get his dick sucked by it
draw him younger looking
give him his own rogues gallery
dip into his puertorican heritage more
expand on his own original supporting cast
give him a love interest that isn't a superheroine/supervillain
play up the multiverse incursion refugee angle more
change his Dad's name from Jefferson to Jeffery for frick's sake
Make him white. And change his monicker and theme. There’s already a Spider-Man.
I remember someone mentioned that since they're making him ultra OP with his electric powers, they should just make Miles an electric superhuman that is a Spider-Man wannabe. As in Spider-Man but without the spider powers and replaced with electric powers. Wall crawling is him magnetizing himself (even though some say that's how Peter's wallcrawling works) and his webs are cable lines or some shit.
Still though, I hate that the PS4 games make him OP by making him go full electric powers when in the original the venom sting is just a OHKO from his fingers, like a spider bite. And blasting electricity is Jessica Drew's thing so I'm even more pissed.
Considering Jessica Drew's one of Bendis' favorites and her beams are also called venom blasts. It's almost certain Miles "venom blast" was a homage to her. People just don't pick up on it because Miles thing used to be way more downplayed and they're so far removed that nobody would be thinking of both of them at the same time.
Coincidently, Jessica made a lightsaber too in her 70s cartoon that lnobody watched. That show gave her a bunch of powers comic Jessica doesn't have.
Man as a Jessgay I kinda feel insulted that Bendis is the only person that cares about her.
It's kinda funny how Jessica Jones only got created because Marvel wouldn't let him use the other Jess. It'd be a weird timeline if they let him do that.
But yeah, I'm surprised the wiki doesn't point out that Miles venom blast was aping 616 Jess' one. I felt very stupid when it donned on me just a few years ago as nobody ever points it out since like I said, when the frick do they ever interact? Toss it on the pile of things Miles got from other characters I guess
I hate Jessica Jones as a character so much, I actually wish they'd just let him use Drew.
Hell she's fricking pointless. Her powers are just basic strength. That's it. I get that her whole schtick is that she's a detective more than a superhero, but it's lame and I'm even more salty Jessica Jones is more popular than Jessica Drew thanks to Netflix.
That show was also pretty shit but it got popular with women projecting their negative experiences with men on Purple Man, so sadly it can't just fall off into obscurity.
I never thought about it but it's funny how it'd frick over CarolJess shippers since she would've been married to Cage.
Anon, where have you been? They did and that's half the problem. He currently is Spider-Man but also has invisibility, electric shocks, immortality, AoE electric explosions, laser beams, energy webs, energy weapons (a sword really), and recently his own Super Saiyan form. He has over twice the number of electric and energy powers to spider ones.
I mean CarolJess would've even exist if they let Bendis do it but still
I don't watch or read capeshit.
If he has more electric powers then spider why not just make him an electricity based super hero? Is there someone like that?
He started out less absurd and closer to the Spider-Man concept but they kept giving him more and more powers over time. A bunch of them being from his current one where the writer literally is just throwing in shit from anime he likes
Shonen shitters ruin everything
Give it a year and he'll probably be flying, have a rasengan, and knows bankai.
None of this would be necessary if you would just forget that Peter Parker ever existed. You WILL accept Miles as the One True Spider-Man, one way or another.
lol, the "Spider-Man but also has invisibility, electric shocks, immortality, AoE electric explosions" part was already true before they moved him to the regular universe. He didn't become Shonen-Man yet but he was doomed from the start
i know this is bait but this isn't even true ironically. the writers are giving him all these cool new toys to play with because they want you to think he's the BETTER spider man, not the only spider man. their battle is already lost because they clearly already understand that the average reader knows what peter, the baseline, normal, archetypal spider man can do. the sword, the flying, even the invisibility and venom blasts are all there in the vain hope that showering miles in gifts will make him look cooler than the OG, but in all that they forgot to write an interesting character, and in actuality ceded that Peter is in fact the OG.
It's kinda ironic then that all it really does is give more ammo to "why is he even Spider-Man?" even when written by people who want to insist he is. I doubt people who don't like him would even harm the claim this much. I've been in the "make him Prowler camp" for ages and "give him a random new power every have a year" never crossed my mind.
He could've been the real Spider-Man of his own world but moving to mainline took away his motivation. Then they took away any connection to the theming with all the extra stuff. Hell, Bendis even step up a name change before he left and the Spider-Verse movie came out.
The only things tying down Miles to "Spider-Man" is a movie that's loosely about an iteration of the character who was long gone even when it came out and whatever the frick Insomniac is doing
Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 is the ultimate example of that. An entire game about them working together constantly and they just... call each other Spider-Man. And the civillians, hell villains too. It breaks more immersion then any super powers.
Seriously, why does Miles calls himself Spider-Man when Peter is still around?
melanin apes want to be Spider-Man and Marvel thinks things the only way to stop the apes from destroying infrastructure.
Seriously, why the frick would Miles also call himself Spider-Man in the game? What is the in-universe reason? You can't even say that they want to make it seem like Spider-Man is everywhere because they're wearing different costumes.
Realistically, how fricking arrogant would you have to be to do that as Miles? Alternatively, how fricking cucked would you have to be to allow/propose that idea as Peter?
Even the shows he was in had enough sense to have him rename himself when he was with Peter.
A game I like playing whenever Miles comes up is trying to guess which of the three in pop culture somebody's talking about. You know, if they say something deeper than "He's black!"
Like the glorified sidekick and "Good job, Spider-Man! You too, Spider-Man!" is blatant Insomniac rather than Spider-Verse where they'd use his name or comics where the two pretend the other doesn't exist. All three Miles are notably different and have slight different issues.
He can already fly, the writers just keep forgetting.
Since when? I don't remember that ever happening
He might be referring to a moment in (I think) Ahmed's run when Miles used a charged venom blast from both hands to launch himself a great distance in a short time.
Yeah I posted that a few times. It would be a funny contrast trying to be Spiderman but he basically had electros powers.
make Miles a shota and de-age him back to 9 years old.
I really think the most important thing is to not have him created by and written by Bendis from the start
I'm going to sound crazy for this but I actually think they should lean MORE into what he was like earlier on. The problem with a lot more recent Miles stuff is trying to transplant over his Spider-Verse personality when that doesn't jive with the comic character. That or they copy even more from Peter, Mayday, etc.
He'd stand out more if they acknowledge he's a sheltered middle class kid who goes to a boarding school and his only real knowledge of "the real world" before the spider was whatever Aaron would talk to him about. Parents had a rough upbringing and they were too successful in shielding him and making him into their ideal child. So like an anti-Peter in the sense that Peter used to be a kid that had it rough and had to be a man at a young age, Miles grew up in a bubble and has no idea how to navigate the real world. I'd probably also have a running gag about how utterly divorced from both black and Puerto Rican culture he is since Bendis never really addressed it
Then again, I don't care if Miles does get shelfed so whatever
By bringing in some adversity to his life and doing things ACTUALLY different from Peter
>Miles lived an upper middle class life thanks to his dad's work as a SHIELD agent
>With the dissolution of SHIELD and a baby on the way, the Moraleses are suddenly living a much shittier life
>Miles uses his newfound Spider powers to rob and break up drug gangs around the city
>Almost immediately gets caught by his dad who proceeds to work with him on coms utilizing his SHIELD agent skills
>Even gives Miles a recolored copy of Pete's Latverian Secret War costume
>Father/son bonding as they run fade on criminals
I have no desire to fix Bendis' shitty characters.
Kill it or turn it into a villain for other Marvel superheroes to punch in the face.
My personal schizo theory is that the Ditko estate settlement combined with the writers' strikes delaying the third Spiderverse movie, will result in an odd situation where Miles is silently phased out of his own movie (and even the games) in favor of Peter, who Marvel can now use freely without worrying about copyright problems.
I have no proof of this other than the voices in my head.
Although he is black miles was also created for a white audience so I would do the following
>tell nerdy things about him
nothing about being a loser he's going to be a black kid maybe a bully
>Racist
Anti hero and even draw parallels with black literature like Native Son
>Violence
More violent than Peter
>Trashy behavior
No one remembers that early spidey didn't dwell on his uncle's death and enter show biz. black spiderman would be a modern instagram streamer. He would use his powers to frick a lot of girls and get more money
>Use illicit drugs
He's into all kinds of drugs
Unfortunately we're not in the 2000s anymore and characters like these would be impossible today, especially after the reception of the black shazam (which I liked).
I would turn him into Me Mememe, the superhero with the power to make everyone and everything be me.
Making him something more then "spider man but black"
His villain gallery could be made entirely by successors of old Spider-Man foes, reworked to be more dangerous and clever. Plus, if the successors somehow have surprise powers entirely unrelated to the moniker (very much like Miles is a Electric Spider).
Example: Peter fought the Vulture. A old-geezer thief in a razor-sharp winged suit.
Miles should have a Vulture sucessor that's a gang of vultures (all of them highly specialized thieves in flying garment). And for some reason one of them is capable of trading places with the others.
A Rhino with time powers.
A Electro with sound powers.
A cyborg-Kraven terminator-like.
Etc.
Just make it as shonen as possible.
He needs more porn where he bottoms.
Give him his own superhero name, and drop the idea of him ever being Peter's successor or replacement. Then have him come out as gay.
99% of the people pretending to like him will then just move on, and in a few years you can quietly get rid of him.
>Then have him come out as gay.
You know what would be genuinely hilarious? If Jean Grey helps him with that discovery, lel.
Have him cover a different part of New York than Peter. It’s a big city
And the fact that there's already several dozens of heroes operating in New York (spider man and other spider people, the Avengers, fantastic 4, daredevil, Elektra etc..) and now the city is facing an influx of mutants, might as well send Miles to Jersey city since Kamala is busy hanging out with her mutie friends who are moving-in in Manhattan.
How the frick is there even still crime in NYC if 90% of the superhero community lives there?
Shared universes were a mistake. All these superheroes were not meant to exist in the same city at the same time. Imagine if every battle shonen took place in the exact same country, let alone city. It would be an absolute clusterfrick.
Just get rid of the extra powers and stick with Venom Touch not being electricity and invisibility.
You don't need to give him a sword to make his fights interesting. People like seeing Spider-Man fight with insane reflexes, webs, and acrobatics. If you have fun and combine that with turning invisible to dodge shit and having villains make him work to get in close to use his Venom powers people will enjoy it.
Some people will always hate on him because he's not Peter or black but if you just stop making him a mary sue you'd have a character a large majority won't mind to genuinely like. Also maybe retcon the part where Ultimate Peter died and have Miles struggle to live up to the mantle he left behind only to immediately invalidate that struggle by bringing him back to life. That also majorly fricked over the character.
I say do something about the sexual tension they mix into Peter and Miles' mentor/student relationship every time they do it.
Make it weird. I want it to be weird and uncomfortable how close they are for everyone around them.
It's already weird from an outsider's perspective.
>Great job, Spider-Man!
>It was nothing, Spider-Man!
>I'm glad you have my back, Spider-Man!
>The pleasure is all mine, Spider-Man!
>Now let's go, Spider-Man!
>I'm right behind you, Spider-Man!
Not to mention that the average NY citizen would definitely refer to Miles as the black Spider-Man even if he doesn't know his race.
That's the kind of gag you'd expect to see in a joke comic or something.
If the comics could sufficiently answer the question "What does being Spider-Man mean to Miles Morales", that'd probably be a good start because it'd give his character an angle different from the rest. Cause originally, the answer would be "Living up to PETER PARKER's legacy as an example of a hero who uses his powers for the benefit of others over himself", but considering Peter Parker himself is alive and we have a whole bunch of other characters who have him as a living example of someone to generally live up to (including both Eddie Brock and Flash Thompson and Venom), there has to be more than that for Miles.
And don't "but muh mephisto deal" me, they've had Miles make a deal with the devil by now too, so he's still technically trying to emulate Peter Parker.
Peter Parker is Spider-Man.
Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
The current writer for Miles is an obvious overly liberal agenda seeker. I think the character only suffers when a writer with an agenda is placed on this or any other title in comics. Miles is currently suffering from this agenda.
That's the only kind of writer they can put on Miles, because any writer worth their salt would immediately pivot the character away from Peter and make him more unique, and that's not what Marvel wants.
Make him a straight white male that doesn't frick the dead Gwen Stacy.
The character is broken because he didn't have a chance in front of ol'Peter Parker Spdier-Man since the beginning.
So scenarists pushed him at the first place by adding him extra power to show he's stronger than Peter, but it didn't work, some artists forgot which powers he actually has...
The only effective thing would be to put him in another universe where he'll be the only heroe with power.
He has IBS and how much he needs to shit is proportional to how much he uses his powers. If he uses normal Spider-Man powers he's fine but as soon as he does the electric sword bullshit, it's a race against time before he shits himself.