How would you fix the Batfamily?
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How would you fix the Batfamily?
How would you fix the Batfamily?
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Raping the Joker
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If Joker looked like this she would have been raped long ago.
Fem Joker wouldn't have to be raped, she likely would be one of Bruce's love interests and less evil
By trimming it down. Just Bruce, Alfred and Dick. Consolidate Jason and Tim into Damien and only have Babs as Batgirl for a short while before making her into Oracle. Get rid of the rest because they're superfluous.
Make more versions of batman.
Bigger, buffer batman
Robo batman/robo suit (iron man) batman
midget batman (robin?)
super tall batman, like somewhere like 7 to 9 feet tall at least (how would he hide his human identity?)
Scotish warrior batman (the scotsman from samurai jack?)
samurai batman (samurai jack)
Gay batman (pretty sure that was done...)
circus performer batman - i mean robins parents did swings in circus, give more circus athletics? More flips, more juggling, getting fired from cannon, make lions jump through hoop, handstands, I want it all.
You know who goes to circus, clowns...
Too bad batman has never had any interaction with clowns... wait a second...Bane?...
Ok so i guess my plan was just to add more people, and hope it gets fixed?
And you know what, More BUTLERS, how is it not possible to get 3 or 10 more people like alfred? Let alfred take a vacation for god's sake.
I think i might be going in opposite direction.
Would people want the same thing they got for the last 50+ years?
I guess lot of normal people do work like that.
>Would people want the same thing they got for the last 50+ years?
Because what we've been getting for the last 15 years is fricking stupid. It doesn't help things to bloat the cast like that. Keep it concise and neat.
>Why does Babs need to be Oracle?
Why does she need to stay as Batgirl? She'd be a suitable sidekick substitute between Dick and Damien.
>If her purpose is to be the guy in the chair then why not just use Alfred?
Because Alfred's not the guy in the chair. He's the goddam butler. His job is to answer the door and serve dinner.
Why does Babs need to be Oracle? If her purpose is to be the guy in the chair then why not just use Alfred?
Readers won't fap to Alfred.
Then keep Babs as Batgirl.
>Oracle Oracle Oracle
Why does Cinemaphile hate female leads so much? It's bad enough Candy Kong and Sally Acorn still aren't playable in anything, do we really need to demote Lois Lane, Barbra Gordon, and Mary Jane to The Team Normal?
Lois and MJ are actual normal girls. They just happen to date superheroes.
They can be super Woman and Iron-Spider. Lois Lane could just a blood transfusion from her son and call it a day.
>babs was a shit character until she became oracle
You just want Starfire to end up with anyone but Beast Boy.
>non sequitur
YOU'RE a non sequitur!
>They can be super Woman and Iron-Spider
Or use Wonder Woman and Black Cat instead.
>They can be super Woman and Iron-Spider
just because they can doesnt mean they should be. after the spider gwen can of worms I never want to give that notion the time of day again. love interests should remain love interests. do you really want to see steve trevor become wonder man?
because babs was a shit character until she became oracle and babsgirl's run itself is complete trash. It also makes the most sense given her natural aptitude and skillset. The only reason people like babsgirl is because of a fetish for redheads in heels
Because I liked her dynamic with Cass! The brains to her brawn y'know.
Babs was literally a more important and relevant character when she was Oracle. Batgirl is a sidekick. Oracle was a fricking leader.
Also free diversity points in a rare category that could actually affect stories.
Sally Acorn was never a real sonic character, if you knew anything about Sonic you'd know that.
It was a random US cartoon and comic, not even the only one for Sonic. To think those characters would be in the games is dumb. They weren't made by SEGA
have a nice day Discord troony
>demote Lois Lane, Barbra Gordon, and Mary Jane to The Team Normal
MJ was a good character because she was a free spirit
Making him a woman that is waiting for the hero in his house or a Superheroine is dumb as frick.She should be proactive but not in the hero world.
Lois is and will always be a journalist and a writer, same with Linda.
Making love interest heroines only work for people like Carol Ferris or Jean Grey. Neither Janes Foster nor MJ nor Karen Page should be a heroine.
But anyway, Batgirl shouldn't be Batgirl because the codename is bat and girl, made Cass batgirl again and find another codename that fit a 26 years old woman better
Free spirit means she’s a ho.
becasue batgirl sucks and quite literally has no good comics despite whatever you moronic batgirlgays may think.
Yes this is correct, or send them to other cities away from Gotham.
Keep Terry as a sperm cell until the event of Batman Beyond.
Agreed except for
>before making her into Oracle
I'd rather she just evolve out of the role by joining the GCPD with her father or develop some other way if you're not going to have her stay Batgirl. TKJ is shit. There's no reason to canonize it in every single version of Batman's story
You don't need TKJ to have Babs turn to Oracle.The Batgirl special before TKJ also had her retiring, musing about passing down the mantle, and talking about finding a way to do good outside of the role. Gail simone planned a JLU episode where Babs broke her leg and used the JL network to communicate with Black canary and Huntress for missions. A career ending injury might be needed to work the transition, but it doens't need to be one where she's paralyzed, it could just be an injured knee or something.
>TKJ is shit. There's no reason to canonize it in every single version of Batman's story
Even Alan Moore dislikes it.
>To quote Moore, "The Killing Joke is one of the worst things I've ever written." He explained how his true passion in comics was towards the pulp magazine, not the superhero genre. It shouldn't be lost on fans or creators that the deconstruction trope was pioneered in comics by a writer who openly wanted to bring down the superhero genre. The purpose of The Killing Joke was not to create a new template for younger generations to copy in their stories. After discussing how he hoped to revise not revitalize superheroes, Moore lamented "we got instead a lot of people doing really grim stories," and that was never meant to be the case.
You don't even need to have her injured at all to be Oracle, just have her decide she's more valuable to the team and mission providing information and mission control than being out in the field herself. Give her the occasional mission to stretch her legs but otherwise let the cast focus on their unique skill sets instead of being various flavors of the same generic Bathero.
Something weird about this style. Anyways uhm trim the fat and let the extras do stuff outside of Gotham.
Silently retire half the cast. You don't need to kill them off. It gives them more publicity
bullet to the head for everyone that isn't bruce, dick, damian, jason, or alfred.
no damian gets it too.
that little shit is continuity error incarnate.
dc editorial had to retcon batman and the real robins ages multiple times just to fit him in.
only really autistic people care about that
Where do you think you are?
All they had to do was shift Ra's al Ghul earlier into the Batman timeline. It was easy.
Instead of happening when Dick is in college it happens when Dick is in middle school.
EZ.
This but Damian instead of Tim.
damian is a homosexual who shouldn't exist
Tim is a Dick Grayson clone that was created as a compromise of having both Dick as Nightwing and a Dick-like Robin. Damian has more to him as a character.
Tim is LITERALLY the homosexual of the family.
Go back.
Add more minorities
As someone who actually reads modern Batman stuff it's not even that bad. You act like there's always 15 heroes in Gotham at any given time. The only thing that needs to be done is start limiting who should be included in crossover events.
>it's not even that bad
Well then, what IS bad? What are the few ways the Bat-Family improve?
No one wants to read about characters they don’t care about. They ain’t reader-friendly. People want to only read about Batman and Robin, but mostly Batman.
Yes, but homosexual OP needs to spam his thinly veiled excuses to cry about types of people he doesn't like.
And you'd have a point if Batman's actual books weren't usually very light on batfamily members outside of whichever sidekick he's sometimes using for an arc.
>more to him as a character
No need to announce that you've never read a comic.
Oh boy, another "get rid of the characters I don't like" thread.
Get rid of the batfamily. Same with the spiderfamily. Fans are drawn to a character with an identity. By spamming copies you are removing his uniqueness. Now Bruce is "a batman" and Peter is "the vanilla Spiderman".
Fans are, but women aren’t.
A purely hypothetical female audience is worth more to these companies than the actual male one. Women want teams and families and cutesy Hogwarts shit no matter how little sense it makes for the franchise.
But women don’t buy any of this shit. Why is this so fricking hard to comprehend? It’s still majority dudes like it’s always been.
>Women don’t buy this shit
You’re right but these companies are going for broke trying to get them to, because no other outcome is sustainable other than being 100% subsidized by the parent companies in perpetuity solely to farm IP, keep trademarks active, and sell Walmart tchotckes.
Based on what I see storytimed here I’m ready to believe that’s already happening, since I can’t wrap my head around anyone still dutifully showing up every Wednesday to plunk down 5 dollars for any of this excrement.
Well, they do, as not everyone in comics fandom is someone who only knows adaptations or fanon, but there are multiple problems working aganist them becoming a more dominant demo for floppy capeshit:
There are already shitloads of other comics and comics-but-foreign that directly target them, and those do get bought.
Actual comics fangirls have similar types of complaints to fanboys and ruthlessly cull their purchases when the subject matter doesn't interest them.
Most cape comics are still crap and don't interest them.
Girls also know how to read comics without paying.
Publicly traded companies always must try to expand their audience pretty much by law, it's why you have dove soap targeting "abused morebidly obese women gamers" now.
LMFAO you can make your guy a fat frick in SWTOR but the girl's version just gives her bigger T&A. This is literally fat erasure.
Because no company wants a franchise that has no women fans. and subconsciously, most men don't either. Yeah fanboys will complain about whatever feminist/SJW/whatever boogieman in their spaces, but the fabled cool girl who knows comic books is something every dork dreams of.
It's why blogs and twitters and youtube channels run by girls cheerfully talking about niche comic stuff like weird silver age stories or breakdowns of obscure characters casts a wider net than some fanboy complaining. Because there's already a ton of those.
All those hyperfixated batfamily fangirls give these franchises a better look to companies and do their advertising for free. Hyping up characters and talking up stories and engaging with other fans. It gives people a better idea of these characters in bite size pieces. Do they buy as many comics as some 45 year old man with no kids? No- but the actual comic sales don't matter to these companies. They'd rather build these character IPs first and have it spread to other, bigger selling media, and having mixed fan demographics is exactly what they want.
>copies
They're not copies, they're derivatives, spin-offs, if you will.
you have another thread up about this you fricking sperg
Agreed
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I mean, isn't that a completely normal complaint to make?
I would expect you guys to know some characters that you don't like still have their fans, the worl doesn't revolve around you.
Keep Alfred, Dick, Damian, Babs and Cass.
Kill Bruce.
the only problem with it is tied to the same overarching problems that plague capeshit as a whole when it pretends to have some kind of meaningful overarching narrative. This isn't even just a batman problem
It's time to retire Batman and cape families. Get rid of the whole roster.
Cape families haven't been good for ages, and Batman hasn't been good since the 90s.
Batman’s a multimedia franchise that is still very profitable to this day. You’re an idiot.
I don't give a shit.
Lots of bad media makes mountains of money.
That’s life. Deal with it.
I don't care.
capefamilies arent the problem. the problem is the morons pushing characters with no business having capefamilies to have capefamilies. spiderman should not have a capefamily, nor should wolverine. Realistically it should have been limited to just captain marvel, batman, and superman since they all carried the gimmick to begin with. The notion of Spiderman or wolverine being a mantle is moronic given the kinds of characters they are.
What about the Flash Family? Are they valid to you?
when the torch was handed down from jay to wally I was into it. once it expanded beyond the original 3 flashes my eyes glazed over and I lost all interest. same goes for ghost rider now that I think about it. part of the reason why I likethe 2099 continuity so much is because they abandon the direct ties each new incarnation had to their progenitors. GR99 is straight up a terminator with no connection to the supernatural. miguel's the exact opposite of peter, hulk 2099 is forced to become a hero, etc.
Even 30 years ago, they were smart enough to know that copy & pasting heroes into the future or making them descendants was lazy as frick. I doubt Marvel would be that wise if 2099 were created today.
>part of the reason why I likethe 2099 continuity so much is because they abandon the direct ties each new incarnation had to their progenitors. GR99 is straight up a terminator with no connection to the supernatural. miguel's the exact opposite of peter, hulk 2099 is forced to become a hero, etc.
That’s why 2099 worked because even if a character is the 2099 version they’re totally different, Zero is a hacker who gets put into a terminator, the 2099 Hulk is a sheisty Hollywood type, and as you said Miguel is powerful and wealthy so he’s the opposite of Peter. 2099 was the best and I exclusively collect them.
They cheapen Flash as the fast guy of the DCU. Flash and Kid Flash. That’s it.
They're even worse.
Wolverine should just have X-23, no more and no less. Spiderman can have Miles and Ben, BUT and only BUT Miles gets a different city and Ben goes cosmic.
Wolverine should have either Kitty or Jubilee at his side. Sidekicks don’t need to have the same powers as the main hero. Spider-Man is too much of a young dude to have a sidekick. A partner like Black Cat works better.
I wasn't talking about sidekicks, I was just talking about other heroes who have a bunch of character directly tied to them.
>Spiderman can have Prowler and Kaine
Fixed
Time travel to save Bruce's and Dick's parents. The rest probably falls I to place.
shut the frick up Barry. We know shit like that never works out
That's some Flashpoint/Marvel Ruins/The Nail type shit.
>Bruce never becomes Batman and grows up to follow in his father's footsteps as a doctor, philanthropist, and captain of industry.
>Dick never becomes Robin, gets taken by the Court of Owls, and becomes their most dangerous Talon.
>Jim's career stalls out without Batman there to help. He's assassinated. The official story is it's the Maroni crime family but it's actually Dick's first kill.
>Barbara is raised by her mom and becomes a Fed to honor her dad's memory, tracks the Court of Owls.
>Jason dies in a drug den.
>Tim's parents die to the Obeah Man. Tim grows up a spoiled brat of the 1% with no proper role models.
>Without Gotham's culture of costumed crime, Arthur Brown never becomes Cluemaster and Stephanie never becomes Spoiler. She's teen pregnant in her mom's apartment.
>Without Batman and Robin kneecapping organized crime in Gotham those first few years, Helena Bertinelli is grossly overmatched when she becomes the Huntress. She dies, tragically.
>Cassandra is still an assassin with her father.
>Ends with Talon Dick murdering Babs, revealing Bruce as his handler in the Court of Owls.
>parents
Everything aside from the Huntress thing(without Batman and common costumed vigilantism would she even do that or do something more practical?) sounds like a kinda rad Elseworld. Especially if we change the ending a bit, have Barbara get through to Dick and turn him, and they take down Bruce ending with a sequel bait setting up spoiled shit Tim as Bruce's replacement.
The idea is that it's a dark mirror of the normal Batbooks. It needs to start and end with Bruce and Dick.
Batman is Bruce Wayne
Robin is Dick Grayson
Fix'd
You're welcome
Rank the family:
CORE: The guys who are there pretty much every time.
>Batman - Bruce Wayne
>Robin - Damian Wayne
>Alfred - Alfred
CLOSE: Will probably pop in every arc, not necessarily every issue.
>Oracle - Barbara Gordon (Duo with Batgirl)
>Batgirl - Cassandra Cain (Duo with Oracle but she also hangs out with Steph)
>Spoiler - Stephanie Brown (Hangs out with Cass but not Barbara that much)
>Nightwing - Dick Grayson
>Red Hood - Jason Todd
OCCASIONAL APPEARANCES: Sometimes they appear. Maybe they have their own comics but I feel like they'd be better off doing their own thing for a while. Will cross over at least once every 1-3 years.
>Cooler name or just on a gay sabbatical for some time - Tim Drake
>Batwoman - Kate Kane
Everyone else is just whatever. Maybe they appear, maybe they don't.
Core:
>Bruce Wayne
>Alfred
>Robin - just one
Get rid of them:
>the rest
So the Half in the bag guys aré now 50?
Kill off David Zavimbe/Luke Fox and have Alfred be the new Batwing. Also, have Damion and Batman Beyond be the same character.
In a word: bloating. Why newspaper comics dont have this poblem?
Because they don’t go full moron with their shit.
Make Harley an official member of it.
That would hardly fix anything but it’d make chudcels seethe and that’s based.
sorry but the quota for reformed villainesses has already been reached. Can't just have heroes correcting them all willy nilly
A good gay is an oxymoron.
Based but she gotta brap at least once every issue.
She calls it laughing gas.
I think the biggest missed opportunity is making Ivy/Harley a thing and not Catwoman and Harley. If Selina was Harley’s friend Catwoman would be better fleshed out and Harley would have an easier time at redemption and integration into the bet family
Fixed
Fixed
Here is what I would do, firstly keep Batman and Duke in Gotham. Have them in the main bat books with Alfred being the guy in the chair. Barbara gets to make appearances here.
Send Damien to Titans or something, put him on a team away from the main batbooks
Jason gets his own team, lets say the Outlaws and they do Suicide Squad-like adventures. Gritty yet fun adventures.
Dick gets his own book, his own city.
Put Cass and Step in their own book together. Not in Gotham, put them somewhere else but don't make these super, duper serious books.
All the rest need to frick off, unless you put Batwoman on a mythical team with frickers like Deadman and Constantine.
>Duke
stopped reading there
I like Duke better than Damien, at least Duke doesn't make me think of Batman as a weird pedodude with a type.
Damian is his biological son. Duke is just some rando black kid.
>guy has a kid
>"um, pedophile???"
Take your meds.
Its not guy has a kid, its the simple fact that Dick, Jason, Tim, AND Damien all have the same body type, hair style, and facial structure, it makes Bruce look like he has a type of boy.
Only if you're actively thinking that a man with kids around him must mean pedophilia.
Hell, Damian's literally his son.
I literally told you my problem with Bruce and the Robins, they all look the same with only minor difference in appearance. It makes it look like Bruce has a type of boy. Hell kid Bruce looks like Tim, Dick, Jason, and Damien. It just looks like Bruce wants to frick kids that looks like himself when his innocence was stolen.
That's a (You) problem buddy, it just sounds to me like you can't get pedophilia out of your mind.
I am sorry that Batman didn't touch you, my lad.
lmao what?
I know you wanted Batman to touch you, its just not gonna happen, you just aren't his type.
I'm sorry anon, I just don't understand the logic of your insult.
I am saying you are too ugly for Batman to molest.
Feels kinda out of nowhere but ok, but you're the one who was constantly connecting Batman to pedophilia so I guess it makes sense in that sense?
I am connecting the Robins to pedophilia, they all look the fricking same. It makes Batman look like he has a type. At least if Batman had Duke as his permanent sidekick(For how long that lasts), it would show that Batman didn't just look for boys who all had the same features to "take under" his wing.
Jason should be a Ginger
He would just be Speedy then.
No, Batman appears to have a type. He's not intentional, I hope, but the way they design new Robins is just trying to rehash the last one but with a slightly different personality but without actually changing their looks which makes Batman seems like he preys on boys.
Duke is better than Tim and Damian.
Dick > Jason > Duke > Damian > Tim
You just can't seem to get the idea that Batman is a pedophile out of your brain, huh.
Duke is boring as hell.
>It just looks like Bruce wants to frick kids that looks like himself when his innocence was stolen.
he said without a hint of irony
>Send Damien to Titans or something, put him on a team away from the main batbooks
Frick off with this shit already.
Why? Do you like Damien or something?
The black one, Signal.
Yes, I do.
You are a premium homosexual then.
>duke
literally who
I would trim the fat. Do a nice big culling. The Batfamily is even more bloated than in that picture at the moment and just has so many redundant and uninteresting characters. We've been overdue for a good culling since Pre New-52.
You can have large casts as long as they each have unique and individual traits that differentiate them from the rest, and bring something unique to the table. The problem with the Batfamily is there's so much meddling that half of them are "generic Bat hero" and the rest are "generic anti-hero," and most of them have the same "master of martial arts and gadgets and being smart" skillset. They need to sit down and hammer out every single combination of any two characters what the differences are between the two and how they interact with each other.
Simple, do the following for these titles
>Batman
Action focused book featuring Batman, Robin (Tim), Alfred, Gordon, and a rotating character/s depending on the adventure.
>Detective Comics
Batman solo book. Mystery focused stories. You can feature Gordon or Alfred for a few panels if needed.
>Nightwing
Dick's solo book
>Teen Titans
Team action book. Use Damion as the representative of the Bat Family. Dick or Tim can be used as a guest star from time to time.
>Birds of Prey
DC's spy globe troting book. Think Modesty Blaze but using the women of the Bat family. Featuring Barbra as Orcale (Batgirl when she is infield), Cassandra, Helena, and Stephanie.
>Task Force X
Black ops team book. Jason is the representative of the Bat family. He's a Double agent working for Bruce to keep an eye on Waller.
>Outsiders
Counter programing to the Justice League. Geo-Force and Lex Luthor partner to start a group. Batwing plays a similar role to Jason; working as a double agent for Batman
>Checkmate
Kate has never fit in with the Bat family and has mainly been kept at arms distance. I would bring her in as a main cast member of a Checkmate series. Her experience would be useful to the organization counter vigilante missions and Kate can come full circle by finally getting to server her country again.
>Batman Adventures
DC Batman comic for the kids line. Use Batman Beyond as a backup story. Do short fun adventures featuring Terry. DC has never been good at doing Batman Beyond comics. There always needlessly complicated crap. Keeping the format short and making it a light comic aimed at kids should hold off DC's worst habits with the franchise.
>Task Force X
>Black ops team book. Jason is the representative of the Bat family. He's a Double agent working for Bruce to keep an eye on Waller.
For some reason I've always wanted Jason and James Gordon Jr being forced to work together. I think they could have an interesting dynamic since they're both the fallen sons of Bruce and Jim. Both of them have history with The Suicide Squad so that would be a good way of putting them together without them instantly trying to kill each other.
>Jason the fallen son
He isn't Bruce's son. James is a lame psycho any seasoned vigilante could KO in one hit. They got nothing in common. You can also trust Dickgays to whine about Jason stealing a Nightwing's villain or something.
Spread them out like copy bats in Batman Inc
Get rid of batman inc, all those black batmans like luke or signal or whatever
Nobody cares about them
Nobody cares about batwoman either aside from coomers
Cass and Steph seem to be unable to keep a book afloat but i would not say they are bad characters that need to be cut
The biggest fricking nothing character is Tim, just shove him on a teen titans book with other omega listers and let him slowly fade away, maybe one of the 10 remaining Timgays will throw a hissy fit but its for the greater good
Dick is arguably the second biggest bat character besides Bruce and is getting massively pushed since people like him
Jason has a cool as frick desing and fit a niche
Damian is Robin
Babs can be Nightwing cumdumpster
Alfred is alfred
In a perfect world either Damian or babs would become firebird and be Dick sidekick, but DC isn't based enought for that
At this point the Bat-family is a sentai.Just roll with it or kill everyone but Bruce, Dick, and Alfred off.
Keep all of them except Jason. Batman doesn't need him and Jason doesn't need the Batfamily.
The best comics are batman solo adventures with Alfred on support.
Wasn't there a person who suggested splitting them up between Earth 1 and 2? That could work, depending on how it's done.
The whole Batfamily can be solved by actually using the multiverse to one’s advantage.
Initially, Earth 1 is the TNBA lineup but with Damian instead of Tim. Later, Babs can get the upgrade to Batwoman with Cass serving as her Batgirl.
Earth 2 would incorporate Jason, Kate and Steph as a throwback to the OG Batfamily.
>Jason is the Robin BEFORE Helena.
>Steph would function as the Batgirl to Kate’s Batwoman.
>Jason would function as Dick’s Earth 2 counterpart with Helena as Damian’s.
>Jason would take over from Bruce after his eventual death or retirement, whichever works.
The Batfamily is best when whittled down to its bare essentials.
Nothing about Damian is ever essential.
Here’s the problem we face. The core golden trio is Batman, Robin and Alfred. But Damian sucks, so we can’t just have him with the other two. So they bring in Nightwing and Babs to round it out and bring some spark of life into the mix. And then it’s a slippery slope
Have Cass, Duke and Steph in a threesome poly relationship .
Damien hooks up with Maps when not hooking up with Flatline.
Babs dumped Luke Fox, but he should hook up with Vicki Vale.
It’s time one of the Robin’s has a bastard kid, but it shouldn’t be Dick. Let it be Jason. Maybe with Rose Wilson.
Both Helena Bertinelli and the time displaced Helena Wayne should be queer. Maybe even hook up once.
Get Renee back with Batwoman.
You can keep Alfred dead for now, but we should have more obvious fall out from this. Like Bruce being more off kilter. Or can’t keep up with his civilian “playboy” life because Alfred’s not there.
have a nice day
Keep the black family in New York, not Gotham. Add Vicki Vale and Kate Kane.
I'd fix this family by having them crossover with pic related and White Dragon.
You'd buy every issue to see what the black family's gonna do when Hulkamania runs wild on them.
Make Gotham into a crime hellscape and it's own dimension due to all the arcane bullshit that goes on underneath it every other event
They love adding more sidekicks to the Batfamily by why not more Wayne Manor staff? There’s Alfred but with an increase in all of these people you would think Bruce would hire a Maid or something at some point. Like the joke is “Who’s the one who puts air in the Batmobile’s tires?” But why not just make it someone on the Wayne Manor Staff. Pic related.
Bring back Aunt Harriet.
As I say here.
Make Harriet young and attractive.
She knows Bruce and the others aré Batfamily, knows some self defense, travels around in a motorcycle, she Is like the civilian of the Batfamily.
Wait is Alf still dead?
Revert to pre-Flashpoint.
Just move half of them to Bludhaven and have Dick lead them.
I liked it more when Batman was fighting mobsters that hired metahuman muscle on occasion. When his crime ridden city wasn't so because of Arkham's revolving door. Before The Dark Knight made Joker's importance sky rocket. Before DC tried to make Harley Quinn into Deadpool. Before Harley Quinn for that matter. The times when Batman was more of an urban legend than a hero.
Joker was important before Dark Knight. Why’d you think he was in everything before then?
I didn't say he wasn't, but TDK clearly exacerbated it.
Bat-Family's big enough now it should copy Bruce's own penchant for crazy shit:
>make rotations for intel gathering; everyone gets their own Matches Malone
>Rotations around Gotham for types of support
>Rotations on hero teams as other generic heroes to hide and provide assistance without freaking out newbies
>Bruce makes specific pairings/teams for cases and rogue scenarios
>Eventually War Games 2.0 happens, other teams/cities learn their friend has been Bat-Family the whole time
Culminate it in proving whether Stormwatch is crazier than Batman or if Batman can't hold a candle to Spyral and actual insane covert ops people
>Huntress
Not a member of the Batfamily, occasionally works with them on organized crime cases
>Batwing
Stays international as a part of Batman, Inc. Have him as a liaison for superhero ops in Africa. Also keep the original, not Fox.
>Orphan/Cass Cain
Stay in Gotham. Orphan should be the best martial artist out of anyone, so whenever she shows up in another book she should throw her weight around and kick ass.
>Robin/Tim Drake
He's the most common Robin if Batman is working with the Justice League for a mission, since Damien is too much of a lil shit. Though if there's focus on Batman, Damian should swap in.
>Batwoman
Nightwing her. Give her Hub City and super dark stories of her trying her damnest to drag that hell hole into the light
>Damian
Main Robin because he is hilarious. Just an absolute shithead
>Batman
>Nightwing
He's fine. Ongoing, plus he can be on the Titans. Maybe more stuff with Superman?
>Batgirl
Mission control most of the time, techier than the other members. Mostly save her for bigger team battles
>Red Hood
He's fine gallivanting around the DC Universe with the Outlaws. Let him kill villains occasionally, and let the drama with Batman end with the burgers scene. Batman fighting over no-kill rules is just way overplayed. I think Batman can acknowledge that he trusts the judgement of Jason more than his own.
>Spoiler
She shouldn't appear with Batman, have just an implied hostility between the two due to history and a clash of methods.
>Alfred
Serves nice tea and is grandad to all of Bruce's wards.
Damian is now Batgirl.
That's all I have.
drop everyone that isnt dick, tim, alfred, or babs. huntress can work on her own if you want her to. terry is great but if you arent going to put 100 percent of your weight behind him dont bother using him. everyone else is worthless.
>terry is great but if you arent going to put 100 percent of your weight behind him dont bother using him. everyone else is worthless.
He needs his own cyberpunk future storyline a la the show and the marvel 2099 universe
A bit weird to think Alfred is still dead.
Threads like these prove that fanboys should never be on writing duties for these characters. Y’all have this obsession with keeping EVERYTHING in at the detriment of both the ongoing narrative AND meeting market demand. Shit needs to be trimmed to make things more reader-friendly. You can’t make a profit on JUST the nerds who buy this shit. You need to get casuals interested, and having all this inane bullshit ain’t gonna cut it. Simple as.
This is like the fourth time I've seen this exact same post in a thread.
Bruce, Alfred, and Tim as the core three
Cass, Steph (as Spoiler) and Jason roaming Gotham. aligned with the core three but working independently.
Babs goes in the chair because that at least gives her something unique to do, regardless of how you might feel about Oracle.
Dick fricks off to Bludhaven with a care packet of forgotten batman villains like Mime and Crazy Quilt.
Damien can eat shit.
>Black person selena
im so tired of this
Too bad
It's based on the newest movie bud, not the comics.
My dude Catwoman has been portrayed as black consistently since the 60s.
>aligned but working independently
That's literally how every fricking character is nowadays, Batman isn't running around 24/7 with anyone anymore, he'll call Batgirl or Nightwing for help once in a while but he's mostly on his own unless there's some actual shit going on.
Then why even have these extra characters anymore. Just get rid of them and have Dick as Robin again.
>Then why even have these extra characters anymore.
They have their own stories in separate books that you don't read yet complain about like they take up pages in the main Batman books.
>Just get rid of them and have Dick as Robin again.
They have World's Finest with stories taking place in the past exactly for that, don't tell me you don't read that either.
Nobody cares about them. People only care about Batman and Robin maybe. World’s Finest is how the present-day DCU should be like. Reset everything back to Year 5.
>That's literally how every fricking character is nowadays
and I'm saying those three are fine in that position. having their only stories with them running around Gotham while only occasionally working with Batman.
Tim can also go it alone for the night if he feels like it but he'd still be based out of the batcave and be Batman's sidekick.
>Babs goes in the chair because that at least gives her something unique to do
Literally anyone can sit in a chair and do mission control, hell, Alfred did it.
Alfred ain't got time for that, he has butler shit to do
Ah yes, butlering all the people who live in the Mansion that aren't constantly jumping over rooftops like morons, of course.
>Babs goes in the chair because that at least gives her something unique to do
Being a mission control/bridge bunny to male superheroes is "something unique to do"?
Jesus Christ, what is all this fricking hate for Damian? Dude was raised his whole life to be a ninja assassin. You think he’d be a regular kid after all that shit? He literally had no childhood or a happy family like Bruce and Dick until a certain point.
Damian was a polarizing character from day 1 and it doesn't help that his character arc is a circle going on like its 5th revolution
>How would you fix the Batfamily?
Give Nightwing a better writer
Give Tim a new identity, a new costume, and a better writer
Make Steph Spoiler again
Give Jason something to do
That's all I can think of, let the rest keep existing I guess
>Jason
>Tim
>Cass
>Steph
These characters need something to do, it used to just be Jason, but with Tim Drake: Robin and Batgirls ending soon, they're gonna be left without books again.
I guess you could bring up Duke, Kate, or some other distant Bat-Family member like Azrael, but no one seems to care about them.
hopefully they all get left the frick alone until DC cleans house and hires some competent writers and editors
>competent writers and editors
We make superhero comics here sir.
there are degrees even for capeshit
Wow, and Batman WON'T rape the Jokester? Fricking hypocrite.
>These characters need something to do
orgy
Add even more members. Oh you made this thread to talk about removing characters? Tough shit, moron. Get Catwoman and Azrael in there
BASED
Make Annie canon.
But she would be superpowered and that is a no no in the Batfamily.
You say that but Duke has a bunch of powers yet can't be interesting to save his life.
Agreed.
Reminder that Tim in TNBA isn’t Tim. It’s Jason with Tim’s name.
The only version of Tim I like,...and its actually Jason.
Then the comics introduced Jason but bastardized his backstory because Tim already has his backstory.
We already have a canon Clayface girl.
Bring back Aunt Harriet ala Últimate Aunt May.
I always hate when Terry is part of these, he's NOT in the present, he's from the FUTURE.
At this point Bruce should be doing most of his work as Bruce, with everyone else doing the nightly foot work. Bust out the actual Batman suit on big occasions, but if Dick is going to be attached to him at the hip then just let him take point on the night-to-night stuff.
>if Dick is going to be attached to him at the hip
He isn't.
What if we shoot Bruce in the spine, he gets a wheelchair and Dick becomes Batman?
By making it an actual family and having the Robins take on the Wayne family name. Literally turn it into a bat tribe over time having an interconnected bloodline of vigilantes.
they already sort of did that including running different parts of the company. Then the universe reset
>All of them + more
>Gotha still a shithole
Give up
Straight up, you've failed
Make Batman have a threesome with Harley and Barbara.
This, but make it Dick dressed up as Batman. The only people who ship Bruce/Babs are greasy bastards like Bruce Timm.
Here's my attempt
Okay but Batman Beyond has the coolest outfit.
Reset to the World's Finest era of comics.
No Bruce and Dick and Babs and Jason and Tim and Cass and Steph and blah blah blah.
Just Batman and Robin and Batgirl. THE Batman, THE Robin, and THE Batgirl.
Publish an alternate earth Anthology book that continues as if Damian survived Batman Inc. and still works with DickBats, with Oracle and Red Robin and the rest all still in Gotham. Tim is still gay.
>How would you fix the Batfamily?
Keep Alfred, Dick, Jason Todd, and Batgirl.
Damien was a horrible idea. Bruce should've had a secret child with Catwoman instead, a daughter
, cause frick it.
Only way I'd write Damien is that Bruce doesn't discover his identity at any point until just before he died.
Damien would be a character for a middle aged batman to deal with, or a villain / rival for a mature Batman Beyond.
Anything but making Damien part of the fold, because an alternative Bruce is an interesting concept.
>Bruce should've had a secret child with Catwoman instead, a daughter
ain't that just huntress
>ain't that just huntress
I guess? I'm a imagining a more sauve and dark character
Damian, like Irey, was a Kingdom Come character they brought into the main DCU.
Its Damien because he is the spawn of Satan and Batman.
It's Damian because that's his name.
My interpretation of the character has his named spelled like Damien and he is brown.
>All the Damian must go takes
Tim is such a fricking nothing character
Damian can be annoying for some but he at least has that over Tim just existing and being gay and pathetic
My take was Damian needs to go somewhere else and Tim needs to not exist.
Bruce dead, Dick and Damian as Bats and Robin, Oracle, Steph as Batgirl, Tim and Cass away in their own team or one is retired and the other dead, Steph as Batgirl. Kate, Duke and Luke dead, Helena and Selina aren't part of the family
Black Alfred.
Who the frick is the Batwoman between Batwing and Tim Drake? Change Barbara Gordon to Oracle and make Stephanie Brown Batgirl. Get rid of Spoiler
Cass
Keep Cass but she's gotta go back to this outfit. The one in the OP is bland as frick
Real time aging, permanent deaths and retirements. Have 5 of them active at once tops.
Pretty much all of them have 1 personality trait, a half-assed backstory about their parents and that's as far as it goes or will ever get with a sliding timescale. Even if they get some development, that will only get retconned or ignored by the next writer if the character becomes too specific to handle
Kill more than half of those literal who'.
Specially Damian, make that little piece of shit suffer in a gruesome way.
The issue is it’s just too fricking big.
The unneeded/superfluous ones like Harper, Luke, Duke need to just become civilians or die.
And most of the others need to frick off. Dick is a big boy who can support his own books and needs to make his own supporting cast and stop coming to Gotham every two seconds. Jason should go back to Artemis and Bizarro as DC has shown they have no idea what to do with Jason when he’s with the batfamily. Barbara (and Helena) should go back to Birds of Prey and not have the team in Gotham.
>Jason should go back to Artemis and Bizarro as DC has shown they have no idea what to do with Jason when he’s with the batfamily.
It won't fix his problems and the webtoon sucks ass so no.
Remove the gay and black characters and make them unique characters with unique stories instead..
go back to the basics of the Batsquad: Batman, Robin (Tim, gay quota), Nightwing, Huntress and Oracle (going back to being a jealous b***h), Batgirl (Cass) and Catwoman. Damian, because now it's too late to turn back.
Red Hood must be a villain for Bruce and Dick to wipe the floor once in a while.
Steph....... whatever.
Bring Harold back.
And get Duke to join a gang, that kind of thing young black men do.
>How would you fix the Batfamily?
Not batfamily
Kill all of them except for Bruce and Alfred. They cheapen the symbol by making like some sort of franchise. Batman is supposed to be about The Mission and self-sacrifice. Not wearing a bat on your chest and parading it around.
Have Bruce impregnate Barbara and Starfire.
Batman: Supervillain Squad
Starts with Batman and Alfred, over time Batman is able to solve all of his villains problems and put them on his crime solving squad.
Batman is jack-of-all-trades but isn't Batgod, just a guy in a suit with the belt
Riddler becomes Oracle / puzzle solver
Bane becomes the muscles when needed
Clayface becomes a spy and informant when needed (he lacks super strength here)
Mad Hatter becomes tech guy (I know it SHOULD be Riddler but not here)
Firefly becomes machines and automotive guy, fire guy
Kite Man becomes eyes in the sky and scout
Mr. Freeze becomes inorganic chemistry science guy, ice guy
Poison Ivy becomes organic/bio chemistry science lady, plant lady
Gentleman Ghost becomes supernatural guy, ghost guy
Harley Quinn becomes doctor lady, psychoanalyst
Catwoman becomes pickpocket and lockpicker, is a constant double-agent and no one trust her (not even the bad guys) and just somehow always is temporarily aligned with both sides before she always escapes with what she wanted the whole time.
Every time Batman adds another member they usually end up improving his kit somehow (Firefly improves Batmobile and gives it megathrusters, Kite Man improves his grapple design, etc.). First season is largely building up the squad and in later seasons, 1-4 of the villains each episode join Batman to tackle the criminal activity head on while the others stay back at the cave to solve that episode's puzzle or they are off engaging in slice-of-life activities, pretty much the Avengers but illegal to operate so they have to stay in hiding.
The show's main antagonists are unconverted villains (often working for other antagonists under duress), the Penguin's criminal enterprise, the Joker's pure evil schemes, anti-hero Red Hood/Lock Up (he does stuff like take over the entire city like a dictator, etc.), by-the-books good cop Barbara Gordan, the insane holy church of Azrael, Demon's Head ninja clan (with Damian and Orphan), oftentimes different groups working or competing with each other to grab the macguffin, take over the city or fight the squad depending on their moral alignments; batfamily in these groups never join the squad but if they turn over new leafs just leave their organizations or go out on their own.
Eventually Batman takes up a young ward who ends up sneaking onto missions as Robin, getting into trouble, breaking the experiment, etc., but they never hate him for it; he's just there to create dramatic / dire situations and plot points. In the final episode of the series an ancient evil awakens and all antagonists not aligned with the ancient evil join Batman and the squad in bat garbs and successfully defeat it, turning over new leafs and making Gotham an even cleaner city than Metropolis.
Gentleman Ghost isn't a Batman villain
Every super group needs a supernatural specialist though
You're looking for Samsara
I'd like to see a permanent sign of progress for the Bats regarding Gotham. Like an entire section of the city that used to be awful and crime ridden that they've won back from chaos and made fairly safe. Not some rich neighborhood, just a slum they've cleaned up via crimefighting on one side and philanthropy on the other.
By making it the Bat-Harem.
you can always tell these threads are largely made up of people who only watched the DCAU and the DTV movies because it always ends up a setup close to that even if the character dynamics aren't there. Also always keeping Terry even though he really only works for a specific set of circumstances as an AU.
Terry is fine BECAUSE he only works under specific circumstances. he's not another dickhead clogging up present-day Gotham, he's his own man with his own setting and his own villains. he takes Batman back to its roots, one man against a city of crime with geezer Bruce as a mentor.
>Also always keeping Terry even though he really only works for a specific set of circumstances as an AU.
Yes that’s the point, Terry is the only Batman is his timeline he doesn’t even have a Robin. Plus Bruce is a mentor/oracle so it fits. Terry is akin to SM 2099 in that regard.
Yeah, Terry isn't really bloat, he's a legacy so not really a factor until the rest of the batfamily would have long since retired. I do actually like his dynamic with Barbara so I do kinda wonder how the other members of the batfamily would age and feel about him.
Except Terry works within the context of his setting. He has a unique dynamic with Bruce that doesn't really exist in other Batman stories, and is character history is unique enough to not just be Dick version 2.
It's easy.
>Bruce
Batman
>Dick
Nightwing and fills in as Batman when Bruce is leaguing/injured/needs the mystique
>Jason
Dead
>Tim
Red Robin/whatever new identity you want to give him and fills in as Batman when Bruce is leaguing/injured/needs the mystique
>Damian
Robin
>Babs
Oracle
>Steph
Batgirl
>Cass
Batgirl
>Terry
In the future
>Alfred
Butler
>Huntress
Batfamily adjacent, inspired by Batman but has a rocky relationship with him
>Batwoman
Wiped from continuity, her best ideas and stories given to Huntress
>Batwing
Puts on the suit once in a while, used to fill out Batman Inc. rosters as necessary
>Harper/Duke/Other hangers on
We are Robin, but instead of a youth movement they're lookouts, informants, and general allies of the Batfamily.
Remove the females.
Give each one of them a wacky catchphrase they have to say at least twice every issue they appear in.
Kill the whole family except for Batman
Unironically, space. Everyone goes to space. Rip this shit into the 21st century
Hell yeah. Time for some bat themed spacesuits.
babs being any part of the bat family is really fricking weird.
Make it a harem
Trim it the frick down. Put the ones that bring in eyes onto team books. Stop writing in the ones that don't sell.
The main Batman book should be pared down to Batman, Robin, and the butler.
Keep Tim gay
>The main Batman book should be pared down to Batman, Robin, and the butler.
The main Batman book doesn't even have the butler anymore, it's usually just Batman and once in a blue moon Robin.
Spread those gits about different cities/teams.
Cass and Duke back with Outsiders, Jason in the ground, Steph and Tim with JL or something, Dick with Titans.
Too many in Gotham. I don't oppose the idea of "Batfam" but too many in Gotham just makes it dumb.
> Jason in the ground
This, but with Tim instead.
>Dick with Titans.
Frick no, those guys are antidraws.
There, that oughta do it.
Nah, needs Robin
would you prefer a kid or adult Robin, Anon?
Alright, I just assumed. Here, just for you Anon Ive altered my lineup.
Batman without Robin/Nightwing is boring.
Kill off any characters besides Red Hood, Nightwing, Babs, and Alfred.
Fire any writer who suggests bringing back asiatic Girl or Used Goods prostitute.
To anyone here who wants to keep Tim around, you're gay and your opinion is worthless. We only need Damian as Robin.
Damian era Batbooks aren't as good as the 90's era except Morrisons run, and that's arguable.
>Damian era Batbooks aren't as good as the 90's era
The 90s are tainted, Tim is gay.
Damian is the homophobic Robin.
>I'M GOING TO USE THE GAMER WORDS JON AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME
>We're going to celebrate it!
Tim is such a homosexual now god lord
>Batman/Bruce Wayne
>Robin/Richard Grayson
>Alfred Pennyworth
>Batgirl/Barbara Gordon
Done.
Kill them all except for Bats and Alfred. Dickgays frick off. Nightwing was never good.
Dick as Robin was good.
Yep, he was. Then he became Nightwing.
Then keep him as Robin.
Man I'm glad guys like Alex Ross aren't in charge because most of those costumes are awful.
I don't hate the Flash design, but maybe it would work better as a Kid Flash costume.
Whoever colored this did a poor job.
>Kill them all except for Bats and Alfred
Batman needs his Robin.
just drop the whole family part, problem solved
>scale it way, way back. keep Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Barbara, and Damien. Huntress, Kate and Cass are fine as occasional guest stars but emphasis on occasional. Get rid of Duke, Steph, Tim, Jason, and Gotham Girl if she's still around
>not quite batfamily but get rid of Harley and Punchline and all these other quirky BPD characters. and use some old villains for full storylines instead of always pumping out new OCs. Batman already has probably the best rogues gallery in comics but most of them these days show up as one offs, as jokes, or they're used in extremely boring ways (why is Bane's whole thing snapping people's backs? it's moronic)
>deemphasize shipping and cutesy hangout stuff. if you're gonna have soap then make it Claremont style soap that's multilayered, very longform, and melodramatic. have half a dozen subplots going on at any one time so that if one doesn't hit for a reader, the other 5 might. idk why that style of soap writing ever died off, trades I guess, but it keeps people hooked and is way less boring.
>no more edgelord horror, no more cosmic shlock, no more Iron Batman. Take it back to Miller. Scale back batgod, reduce the level of tech involved, refocus on noir and crime, and actually show Batman being a detective. Horror works too but I don't want to see edgelord garbage like Joker cutting his own face off
Some of that definitely wouldn't sell well but that's what I'd do if my only concern was making Batman comics I wanted to read.
>no more edgelord horror, no more cosmic shlock, no more Iron Batman. Take it back to Miller.
Miller wrote Year One with a grounded down to Earth Batman, but before that he wrote DKR with Batman using a giant tank Batmobile, fighting probably the scariest takes on Joker and Two-Face yet, using an armored bat suit to kick Superman in the face. And then Spawn vs Batman and All star are hardly grounded.
Eh, DKR was a deconstruction and a very good one so I don't hate it at all and don't think it's comparable to Snyder's edginess but yeah, I meant Year One.
>How would you fix the Batfamily?
>All of these heroes
>Patrolling one city
>Plus the police
>And even the Justice League on speed dial
>And Bruce's basically infinite wealth
>Gotham is still a corrupt cesspool
Just stop it really, it's clearly not working, their world is fricked.
old man nightwing and mcguinness. drop everything else
Get rid of everybody except batman, robin, batgirl, and Alfred. Terry wasn't eliminated cause he's future Batman.
Forgot the picture, dumbass
Limit the number of companions to 2: One Robin and one Batgirl.
Steph and Damian, Luke and Cass, Jason and Barbara --- whatever. But no more than two in any given intepretation of Batman's story.
BATMAN BARELY HAS ANY COMPANIONS IN MOST MODERN STORIES
HE'S USUALLY ALONE
EVERYONE ELSE HAS OTHER SHIT TO DO
FRICKING HELL READ A BOOK
STOP ACTING LIKE HE HAS THE WHOLE FAMILY FOLLOWING HIM AROUND 24/7
READ A FRICKING BOOK
anon no one does that in these threads, are you crazy? these threads are for people seething that they see pinups of a lot of characters they didn't see in a cartoon they grew up with.
>READ A FRICKING BOOK
Do you? the batfamily was a big part of the rebirth batman line in both Kings Batman and Tynion 'Tech - in fact its where most of these tumblirite batfamilygays come from (jason stealing Damians kiddy meal toy ect) - then Tynion used them again for JokerWar and replaced them with his oc's in Fear State and now Zdarssky and Ram V are both using them in their runs.
>Jason stealing Damians toy
That actually sounds fun and exactly what older brothers do to younger brothers
So fricking cringey
>Haha yeah my death sure was traumatizing wasn't it you guys?
>in fact its where most of these tumblirite batfamilygays
anon as an oldgay batfamily fangirls predate Cinemaphile. There's a new crop added every few years. Devin Grayson infamously is rumored to have gotten into DC through a fan fiction story she sent in that ended in Bruce/Dick
I thought Devin Grayson got into DC Comics because she was dating Mark Waid. Or was that after she got established?
Chuck Dixon has said it was a fanfic that came across Dennis O'Neil's desk so while she might've been dating Waid, O'Neil or his assistants might've reviewed her work as a priority before hiring her.
The offices used to have a submissions editor and it might've got pushed through that way. Darwyn Cooke got hired that way.
If that was the case Cass wouldn't have been shitting up this week's Detective Comics you cruise control cucklord.
Have Bruce cum inside Barbara repeatedly in front of Dick.
Barbra was originally a love interest for Bruce to begin with
Good thing it’s not the 60s anymore.
The comics aren't the Adam West cartoon. Batgirl and Batman never had a thing in the comics.
Barbara was introduced in 1968, started dating Jason Bard in 1969, and started her will they/won't they flirting with Robin in 1970, though it wouldn't hit its peak till the 1975 Batman Family series.
The problem is that writers make their super special bat family OCs for royalties. Remove royalties and you can trim down the bat family
ONLY BATFAMILY MEMBERS
Bruce
Alfred
Cass
Carrie
Everyone else is unimportant. Also Bruce has a loving romance with his two daugherwives while Selina watches from outside.
>batman
>alfred
>bat sidekick
Other can either die or find a new schtick and only do crossover once a decade.
Modern superheroes families are genuinely terrible and consist of a bunch of characters with no connection to each other giving vaguely worded affirmations (becasue the writers don't actually know enough about them to have them say anything useful) in splash pages. In fact most of them are actively hurt by association since for them to be there goes against their character in some form of fashion (Kenan and Pg in the newest Supes comics, the entire spiderfamily excluding the clones). They're all built on foundations of sand.
>Bruce
Batman
>Dick
Nightwing and fills in as Batman when Bruce is missing/injured
>Jason
Red hood
uses rubber bullets but still breaks badguy bones, roams Gotham
>Babs
Oracle/Batgirl
>Steph
Robin
(Hangs out with Cass)
>Cass
Batgirl
(Duo with Steph)
>Alfred
kick ass Butler
>Carrie
in training (everybody trains her in there own way)
Harley Quinn occasionally joins in the bat family to everybody disapproval
god I fricking hate capeshit, almost as much as I hate Black folk, israelites and homosexuals
Burce, Alfred, Damian. You may not like it but Damian is this generation's Robin moving forward.
make the Creeper an official member